Monday, September 16, 2024

Judge Fed-Up With Carly Gregg's Defense Team

Carly Gregg's trial begins today in Rankin County Circuit Court . The 15 year-old Gregg stands accused of killing her mother and shooting her step-father in March.  Greg cried as Circuit Judge Dewey Arthur repeatedly chewed out Gregg's lawyers Kevin Camp and Bridgett Todd for missing discovery deadlines during a pre-trial hearing September 10.  

  

 

Rankin County Circuit Judge Dewey Arthur held a hearing on all motions in the case September 10.  Unfortunately for the defendant, her lawyers continued their inability to follow the rules of criminal procedure.  

Wearing a simple black dress instead of the recent private school jumpers, Gregg entered the courtroom and sat down next to her lawyers.  Judge Arthur scheduled the hearing to address all pre-trial motions. 

Judge Arthur opened the hearing by granting the District Attorney's motion to enforce a gag order on Gregg's lawyers, Kevin Camp and Bridget Todd.  The motion cited various statements made by the defense attorneys to the media in support of its motion.  There was no argument over the motion because the defense filed a response after the deadline.  Judge Arthur quickly granted the motion after rejection the defense's response.  Such would be a common theme throughout the hearing. 

The Court similarly approved two prosecution motions in limine after the defense again filed their responses after the deadline.  The motions asked the Court to bar the defense from referring to facts not in evidence and making any references to jury nullification.  The prosecution asked the Court to bar the defense from making any golden rule arguments (as made famous in A Time to Kill.). The rule prohibits lawyers from asking jurors to place themselves in a party's shoes.  Judge Arthur granted the motions. 

The Court also approved a prosecution motion barring attorneys from making any inflammatory statements during trial.  Once again, Judge Arthur granted the motion after ruling the defense submitted a response after the deadline. 

A bit of squabbling took place over the next motion, a motion to suppress the results of Carly Gregg's urine test.  

When first arrested, Gregg was taken to the Rankin County Youth Detention Center.  The detention center drug-tests everyone who "intaked" at the facility.  Rankin County Youth Court Prosecutor Cory Gerber testified the screens are taken and presented to an on-site lab. If a result is positive, the sample is sent off for confirmation.  The test is used for assessment, not evidentiary purposes.  

Mr. Yerber said Gregg tested positive for marijuana on her drug screen.  Gregg filed a motion to suppress the drug screen.  Ever the DUI lawyer, Camp dissected the test and the machine on cross-examination.   

Assistant District Attorney Kathryn Newman argued Gregg admitted smoking marijuana the day before her mother was killed.  "We believe the information is pertinent since she asserted her right to claim an insanity defense. The door was thrown wide open to any act by the defendant, and is thus admissible.  Claiming insanity waives all medical privileges," posited Newman. 

Camp took the stand to rebut Newman.  He said Gregg was "entitled to due process, which did not happen in this case."  There has to be probable cause and a warrant, he argued. He said his client is entitled to know who performed the test, the testing procedures, and evidence the test is reliable.  The state showed no such evidence. 

"The test is not designed to be a stand-alone test. Trying to claim she is under the influence at the time of the arrest is based on an invalid test.  There was no consent, no warrant, and the test is being used from a different purpose than what the Youth Detention Center uses it for," charged Camp. 

Judge Arthur said the need for a warrant was greatly diminished since Gregg was already in police custody.  The Court determined the prosecution has a legitimate interest in determining whether a juvenile is under the influence in the Youth Detention Center. 

The Court denied the defense's motion to suppress but said the state can only use the test results in rebuttal. 

Next up was a motion to exclude testimony due to a late response. (36:44)  The Court told both sides to exchange discovery by August 20.  The state had "zero witnesses from the defendant nor any evidence of testimony."  The state asked for witnesses to be excluded.  Newman said the defense dropped off a jump drive with photos, an investigative journal by an Amber Floyd, but no witnesses or testimony.  The State asked for names of anyone providing testimony about Gregg's mental state but did not provide any information.The prosecution filed a motion to exclude any testimony or evidence submitted afterwards on August 30.

 

 

Newman told Judge Arthur she finally received a list of witnesses on September 3, including Gregg's stepfather, Heath Smiley.  She said Smiley has not talked to the prosecutors.  There was no substance of testimony for grandmother Vicki Breland or Gregg's uncle, James Floyd.   (40:00)  The defense submitted questions to Smiley and other witnesses but did not provide the responses to the prosecution.  Newman asked the Court to exclude the testimony of the Floyds and Smiley except for statements made to law enforcement.

The prosecutor asked the Court to exclude the evidence and witnesses as they were submitted well after the August 20 deadline, including the defense's expert, Dr. Andrew Clark. Indeed, Dr. Clark was not retained until after August 20.

The portly Camp waddles up to the podium to respond to opposing counsel. (47:00)

"We provided the state a witness list on September 3.  I don't think the state is saying they were surprised, what they are asking for is for the witnesses to be struck," replied Camp. 

 Judge Arthur was clearly disgusted with the defense as his eyes bored in on Camp. The jurist had warned the defense about "trial by ambush" multiple times.  

Camp claimed case law dealt with surprises "in the middle of trial" or on the "eve of trial."  

As Camp tried to argue case law, Judge Arthur caught him flat-footed when he asked him about Page(?) v. State, a Mississippi Supreme Court case. Since Camp said he was unfamiliar with the case, the judge took it upon himself to explain the case to the defense attorney - from memory. 

"Page v. State was 11 days before trial, the defendant provided a list of witnesses but did not provide the substance of their testimony. He made the exact same argument you made before the Court" and "the Court was right to strike it down and exclude it" said Judge Arthur.   

A stammering Camp said most of the witnesses he has were provided by the state. Judge Arthur was ready.  "The Supreme Court has also dealt with that. There is no exception to the defendant's requirement to disclose witnesses. In Davis v. State, clearly required the defense to disclose the names and addresses of all witnesses in chief along" with any written, recorded, or oral statement," and "the substance of any" statement said Judge Arthur. 

Judge Arthur told the lawyer "it's your burden of proof.  Do you have any written statements from Heath Smiley?"  Camp replied he had no written statements and just the "oral statements he's given to both sides."  "That was pretty easy," said the judge.  

Camp said he had no written statements from Vicki Breland.  Judge Arthur admonished Camp "It's not just written statements.  You've practiced law here for twenty years. You know this." Judge Arthur asked Camp about other witnesses.  Camp answered he had not gotten any oral or written statements from them. 

The subject of Dr. Clark's report arose.  Dr. Andrew Clark is a Massachusetts psychiatrist retained by Gregg.  Gregg's lawyers have told both Judge Morrow and Judge Arthur they were getting an expert opinion from local psychiatrist Dr. Mark Webb.  Dr. Webb even visited Gregg four times in the Rankin County Detention Center.  However, the defense did not provide a report by Dr. Webb but abruptly hired Dr. Clark.  

Camp admitted he did not provide Dr. Clark's report to the defense on September 6, ten days before trial. "17 days after the fourth discovery deadline," observed Judge Arthur. Camp said Smiley and several other witnesses gave statements to Dr. Clark.  The statements were included in his report.  A somber Carly Gregg watched the exchange. 

The judge asked Camp about several other witnesses.  Camp said he was not familiar with them as they were handled by co-counsel Bridget Todd.  The Court called the attractive attorney to the podium.  The two witnesses in question were Gregg's teachers.  Todd said she relayed their oral statements to prosecutors during a meeting.  The teachers will testify to Gregg's demeanor the day of the murder and record as their student.  Newman said if that is all the testimony would be, she would "gladly" accept it.  

Things grew a little heated when the judge asked Todd about a witness, James Daniel Floyd.  Todd said he would testify to what he observed the day of the investigation. "I've not had personal conversations with Mr. Floyd  is going to confirm the demeanor of Mr. Smiley during the investigation," said Todd. Judge Arthur asked "how is that relevant."  Todd responded it would be useful when they discussed the investigation at trial. 

"He's not testifying about the investigation.  What's he going to be testifying to about the investigation?" asked the Court.  "Your honor, I feel like talking about this right now will prejudice the jury," replied Todd.  

A fed-up Judge Arthur lectured the attorney: "Miss Todd, you can't hide evidence.  This is basic 101 law. (1:01:00).  You can't go to trial and not know what the witness is going to say.  Mr. Camp, can you cite me one case, one case, where you got to go to trial and not know what the other side is going to say?"  

Camp agreed with the judge.  "And we're late, real late," said Judge Arthur as he loudly tapped his watch. He asked who was James Floyd.  Todd said he was Gregg's maternal uncle. Shaking his head, Judge Arthur said "Exclude him."  Pointing at the attorneys with one hand, Judge Arthur said "that is a willful discovery violation right there.  There has been nothing turned over that is of any substance." 

Todd told the Court she did not receive the state's expert witness report until "last night."  The claim earned no favors with the judge.  Just the opposite as the judge lectured the attorney, "You complaining about the state's rebuttal witness to your witness is a bit like a lady standing in the street holding a Christmas ham screaming she's hungry.  You were ordered to turn over an expert witness July 28. You told me it would be July 22. After the discovery deadline passed, a new expert witness was hired. You juxtaposing what they've done with what you've done. Bottom line Show me what you turned over," ordered the judge. 

Todd tried to argue both sides had to retain experts after the discovery deadline but Judge Arthur disagreed, the state's expert was hired before."  "Show me what you turned over" about the grandmother before August 20 ordered the judge.  Todd protested, "Your honor, we didn't have anything for the grandmother before August 20.  That only occurred after the report we received from Dr. Clark in which Dr. Clark spoke with the grandmother."

"So you're representing to me you had no conversations with this defendant's grandmother," quizzed the Court.  Todd replied "none" in regards to the case  or testimony.  Newman said the report contained no mention of a discussion with Vicki Breland. 

Judge Arthur asked Todd and Camp if they had a copy of Dr. Clark's report.  They replied they did not have one.  Judge Arthur called a 15-minute recess and ordered Todd to "walk across the street to your office" and get a copy of the report.  

Before recess, Judge Arthur heard and denied the defense's motion to transfer the case to Youth Court.  

Judge Arthur discussed the report with the attorneys.  He ruled "we find there is a discovery violation but the court is not inclined to exclude the witness (Dr. Clark).  

Kingfish note: This is not the first or second time Gregg's lawyers have failed to follow basic rules of procedure.  They blew off a court order to provide medical records to the prosecution.  They repeatedly ignored discovery deadlines.  Judge Arthur strongly warned Todd and Camp not to conduct "trial by ambush" and turn over discovery within 24 hours on August 20 . The defense proceeded to ignore the Court.  

Now the defense has managed to tick off the judge.  Actually, it managed to tick off both County Court Judge David Morrow and Judge Arthur, no small feat. 


Synopsis of Case

 

Rankin County deputies arrested Carly Gregg on March 19 and charged her with murder and attempted murder.  RSCO Investigator Zachary Cotton testified at her preliminary hearing that RCSO dispatch received a call on March 19 from a man who was frantic.  The caller said "their child had shot at them, and shot them in the neck."  Deputies went to the scene and found the deceased Ashley Smiley in a bedroom and found a wounded Heath Smiley.  Heath identified Gregg as the shooter.  Gregg had fled the scene.

Deputies found her half a mile away.  They recovered the murder weapon.  

Gregg is a very intelligent child. She earned a 30 on the ACT when she was 13 years old and skipped fourth grade.   

Cotton said there was some video footage of the deadly events that took place that afternoon.  An exterior camera in the garage showed Gregg and her mother arriving home at approximately 4 that afternoon.  The camera and the interior camera in the kitchen showed Gregg taking the dogs outside while Ashley went to her daughter's bedroom.   There were no other cameras in the house.  Ashley "took some items out of Carly's room" as Carly came back inside and noticed her mother was in her bedroom.   

The investigator said Gregg went to her mother's bedroom, came out with her hands behind her back as she concealed an object, and went to her bedroom where her mother was.  "You hear a gunshot, a scream, and then two more gunshots," said Cotton.   Ashley was shot twice in the side of the face and once underneath her chin.  Deputies recovered all three bullets. 

Camera footage showed Gregg returning to the kitchen.  She "placed a heavy object on the counter" and texted Heath on Ashley's phone, asking how long it would be until he got home.  She took down the camera and placed it in the refrigerator.  

The garage camera showed Heath arriving at home, "you hear gunshots," and "Carly left home," said Cotton. 

Before Heath arrived, Gregg texted a friend "It's an emergency, I need you to come over."  She played with her dogs and sang to them as she waited for her friend. 

The friend arrived around 4:50 (driven by her father).  She later told investigators Gregg asked her if she ever saw a dead body before.  The friend replied no.  Cotton testified Gregg showed her dead mother in the bedroom and the gun she used to shoot her mom to her friend.  You read that correctly.  Gregg showed off her kill to her friend if the friend is to be believed.  (8:00)

The friend said that Gregg said there were more for Heath, "two for the head, one for the chest."  The courtroom became very silent as a chill spread across the room. 

The friend and her father went to RCSO that evening and cooperated with the investigation.  

Cotton testified that when jail employee provided bond paperwork to Gregg, the teen said "oh, you can kill someone, pay a lot of money, and get out of jail." 

Gregg attorney Bridgett Todd claimed Gregg's medication was switched to Lexapro five days before the homicide.   

Rankin County Court Judge David Morrow bound her over to the grand jury and kept her bond at $1 million at the preliminary hearing.

The Rankin County grand jury indicted Gregg for first-degree murder, attempted murder, and tampering with evidence in May.  Circuit Judge Dewey Arthur denied bond for Gregg.  



43 comments:

Anonymous said...

More billable hours because of incompetence.

Anonymous said...

With the way that the judge is hammering the defense lawyers, in the event that Carley gets convicted, she will have a strong appeal for ineffective assistance of counsel.

Anonymous said...

Just another example that appearances on television do not translate to effective counsel.

Anonymous said...

........i hate to spoil the drama but here's whats about to happen at about 5pm today.
the judge is going to enter a continuance at the behest of the court.

the jury panel will be dismissed and sent home.

miss carley is going to be taken back to the jail.

camp and his co- counsel are going to be summoned up to the podium by the court.

the court is going to sanction camp and co-counsel about $50,000.oo for the costs and expenses of this trial being delayed due to procedural default by the defense. the defense will then be put in the same jail as their client until the sanction is paid .the court will then enter another scheduling order and give the defense yet another chance to correct their procedural defaults.

judge dewey arther is way too smart to let this defense team set him up to possibly be reversed on appeal by the mississippi supreme court on the grounds of ineffective assistance of counsel.

this entire affair is about to get double secret ugly.

Kingfish said...

Except they are seating a jury today. Working on strikes right now.

Anonymous said...

Good luck counting on ineffective counsel tactic. Camp Et Al are experienced older lawyers. Most of their antics seem to simply reflect a likely hysterical family grasping at straws and backing out of these alleged conversations and "expert" witness plans. But the big problem is her rejecting plea. And that's on her. Continuance and hand holding and wrist slapping to ensue.

But, boy, have Mississippi folks NOT learned a thing about hiring DUI lawyers and Ambulance Chasers for murder and Federal bribery/corruption crim cases???

Don't tick off your Mama, the First Sergeant, or the judge. Counsel for counsel 101.

Anonymous said...

built in reversal via defense counsel malpractice--or was that intentional?

Anonymous said...

It is quite obvious that Camp and Todd are in over their heads with this case. They should have gotten out of it long ago, but I guess money talks! It is a real shame too. Yes, she rejected the plea, but how much of that is on her (she is only 14) and how much is on her lawyers telling her to reject it so they can get paid more?

Anonymous said...

Good luck getting 50k out of Camp. The street committee is saying he’s got other fillings levied against him personally for unpaid fees.

Anonymous said...

Blowing off the court deadlines for discovery, responses to motions, et.al. seems like grounds for legal malpractice and, possibly, the opportunity for a reversal or a new trial. But, I'm just voyeur with no legal training. Those big-time, high falutin, legal professionals will have to sort that out.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Camp could have pressing legal/personal matters of his own that preclude focused representation of the accused?

Anonymous said...

Wow, shocked. But, maybe the TV revenue is too enticing. I think the judge made a mistake going forward without a continuance and further scolding. She may get that appeal through successfully.

Anonymous said...

She will be sorry she didn’t accept the plea deal!

Anonymous said...

A 14 year old child should not be tried for murder, this case belongs in youth court.

Anonymous said...

Judge Arthur is among the best in the state, and isn't going to take this BS. Go watch a trial in Hinds County (on the rare occasion they hold them) and it's an entirely different experience.

Anonymous said...

Todd worked for my divorce attorney and Camp worked for my DUI attorney. That poor little girl is screwed.

Anonymous said...

"A 14 year old child should not be tried for murder, this case belongs in youth court." I'm sure the Rankin County Youth Court Judge was contacted placing her directly into the adult system. So what would you charge her with in Juvenile/youth court? Read the MS Law about a juvenile committing a capital crime using a weapon, such as a firearm. Maybe you could approach the bench requesting control of the precious child throughout her legal battles.

Anonymous said...

Impressed by this Judge. Hate he has to deal with asses.

Anonymous said...

Really? Dewey Arthur is among the best in the state? Oh, do tell! He is a former prosecutor who still prosecutes from the bench. By the way, he has already committed reversible error in this case!

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the great coverage, Kingfish. The other post says it will be broadcast. Please keep posting updates.

Anonymous said...

The standard for an ineffective counsel appeal is high. This is every day routine bad lawyering. Just because someone can get a law license doesn’t mean they have the organizational skills to litigate civil or criminal cases. Just too many deadlines and pesky hoops to jump through. Unfortunately for those lawyers, judges are well versed in the rules and unappreciative of those who can’t comply.

Anonymous said...

My god, that 911 call was tough to listen to. That poor man.

Anonymous said...

14 year old children are not adults. The Judge sounds like he is a member of the prosecution team.

Anonymous said...

No this does not belong in youth court. For her stepfather who said Carly did not recognize him, well she was able to text you, lay in wait of you, remove a camera, call a classmate over & tell her she had 3 bullets waiting for you. Pretty much takes care of that issue

Anonymous said...

I don't practice this kind of law so I don't know these players. But I suspect the judge was prepared for these kinds of stunts, based on their prior history.

I'm quite sure this isn't Camp's first time to represent a client in this manner. Local attorneys and judges know who tries to cheat, and who doesn't take care of business. A practicing attorney can't put a price on credibility.

Anonymous said...

I hope Dewey is paying attention. There are those of us who practice in that district who are taking notes on his new found discovery deadlines rulings. I'm sure he'll have the same standard when the DA does their late disclosure as they do in Every. Single. Case. It'll be nice to be able to cite to his rulings in this case.

Anonymous said...

She “appeared “ to be disturbed at times during the bodycam footage but she sure watched it intently.

Anonymous said...

even if you are totally ignorant to criminal law, like most of the posts here, know this........launching an insanity defense is the most complex task there is in a criminal case.

Anonymous said...

Her snotty crying ceased immediately when the video approached the room where her mother lay dead on the floor. She wanted to see that. She quit crying, quietened, and gazed from under her bangs at the screen. This kid is a psychopath.

Anonymous said...

after watching video , wouldn't it not make more sense for counsel to sit next to each other and put the defendant on one end? that way counsel would not have to lean all the way down the table, and over the client to confer.

Anonymous said...

"Gregg attorney Bridgett Todd claimed Gregg's medication was switched to Lexapro five days before the homicide. "

This seems to be the point on which guilt will or will not be determined. If this drug can cause this side effect after such a short interval then it may explain her action. Based on what I have read here I would not hire her defense attorneys to walk my dog.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Judge Dewey, I'll take a pork chop please.

And - with a biscuit on the side, if possible.

Anonymous said...

Are her lawyers appointed by the court or is her family paying for this malpractice?

Kingfish said...

Not court-appointed.

Anonymous said...

Is weed laced with drugs these days and the same for vape pens? Never done either so wonder if defense will use this. Thought insanity was thrown out ?

Licensed Behavioral Health Professional said...

@9:37pm Her self-statements are damning, as well as her outwardly cool demeanor ....medication does not make a person "do" anything. It does NOT help you make better grades, do your job better, or perform any task better. Simple Example: Too many kids are labeled with ADHD because they reportedly can't focus, stay on task, etc. Oh, but they can wrack up more points on X-box or a PlayStation than any of us. Psychotropic meds are a racket. Skills not pills is the antidote to the youth crisis today, but Big Pharma/Healthcare/Education are in cahoots to pimp the children for every last dime.

Anonymous said...

Can someone report on what witness is stating on stand? Is that allowed since no photos or names are being used for minors testifying?

Anonymous said...

Hmm...how was it she had easy access to a loaded gun especially since everyone in the house was aware that she had mental health issues?
Also, if you have a mentally ill person in the home of any age, you damn well better make sure they take their meds as prescribed and on time!
It strikes me that no one involved in trying the court case or in law enforcement has bothered to educate themselves adequately when it comes to dealing with mental illness. Of course, the ignorance of human behavior in a legal system is why we have the law that one has to be proven a danger to themselves or others before they can be involuntarily committed for treatment i.e. AFTER THEY HAVE HARMED THEMSELVES OR OTHERS!
Change the law AND require a course in abnormal behavior for all law enforcement and for a law degree.
Before an inadequately researched 20/20 show and an ignorant GOP response and an ivory tower confirmation, we didn't have school shootings or mass murders because the insane shooters didn't have guns AND were already in Whitfield or equivalent in other states.
If you like " how things use to be", the least you can do is find out what changed from then to now!
Oh...oops...that would require studying societies and how they function well or badly, human behavior and history.

Anonymous said...

6:13 am I agree that children are poorly diagnosed and often over medicated. Indeed, many of my friends were ADHD all through school and those friends had kids who were just like they were. I pointed out to them that their parents had them participating in activities that would direct and expend that pent up energy from dusk to dawn. They "heard" me and so their ADHD sons also graduated college just like their parents and are incredibly successful. There are some very good boarding schools and camp for these hyper kids but not in Mississippi. And, expecting them to respond to be preached to is ridiculous. I agree that pharma and the medical misinformation on the drugs that sell complicate the problem. Doctors see their drug reps as helpers not salespeople and don't read the actual research for themselves far too often.
I do not agree with your armchair diagnosis in this case. I do think some of these drug's cause "side effects" that are minimized or ignored by pharma and drug research these days has been based on absolutely awful universal samples and the CE ratios are not checked. Even something as "mild" as Wellbutrin can cause suicidal reactions. Such "side effects" may be rare but rare doesn't mean non-existent. And, you are right that help to change behaviors done soon enough work better and are more lasting.

Anonymous said...

In all of the metro area there was only one psychiatrist and one MSW I would have recommended to my friends. We had and probably still do, psychologists, psychiatrists and MSW's treating outside their specialty. I was horrified that one psychologist suggested the wife of an alcoholic/ cocaine addict "quit her job" to be a "better wife". She did and he disappeared with a prostitute and could not be found. Fortunately, her family and friends could help. We do NOT have adequate licensing in this state and for years NO licensing for social workers in the welfare system. Nor did we recognize the educational qualifications and experience levels of those moving here from other states. I hope that has changed.

Anonymous said...

"we didn't have school shootings"

Are you talking about before the 1850s, when school shootings began to become a fairly regular occurrence?

Obviously, with advancements in firearms and cartridge ammunition, shooters were able to kill more people, but school shootings have been taking place in the U.S. for 175 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(before_2000)

Anonymous said...

Who will decide the term of incarceration, judge or jury?

Anonymous said...

Why would you hire Todd for your attorney? She may have the looks but that is about all she has..


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