Thursday, August 21, 2014

WLBT questions Sulphur Springs work. JJ obtains soil analysis.

WLBT reported on more controversy at the Sulphur Springs project near Camden:

MADISON, MS (Mississippi News Now) -

A site in eastern Madison County that is to become a sulphur springs recreational park is a subject that is up for controversy.

The 2.2 million dollar project has come under fire from critics who say it's a waste of tax payers money and also because of recent roadblocks in its construction.

Project engineers wanted to build a 16 acre lake there, but recently found the ground is not in good enough condition to do that. This is because it's basically all sand.

That means nearly 500,000 cubic yards of sand have to be removed, which will likely add more cost to the project. Rest of article.

One question about the park has been the soil analysis.  Through a public records request, JJ obtained the soil analysis and other reports for the site before construction began. County Engineer Rudy Warnock was nice enough (yes, I wrote that) to provide this note along with the report:

Burns Cooley Dennis provided the geotechnical recommendations back in 2011 for the construction of the lake. The lake was bored and BCD did determine that the site was suitable for the construction of a lake. As a matter of fact I had them reconfirm their work a second time to make sure their would be no issues. I have both the original and the supplemental report. I would be happy to turn this information over to anyone, provided the BOS is ok with the release.

The soil analysis is on page 6.


Anonymous said...

Once again...its NOT Rudy fault. The BOS is all BS. If people don't like the BOS and what they do...then STOP electing them and get a new group in there. ITS THAT SIMPLE!!! but hey...I do live in a county that elected Ronnie "DUH" Lott to the BOS AND the Chancery Clerk office. I live with idiots!!!!

Anonymous said...

The report is limited to the soils investigation and recommendation for engineering of the dam. No soil borings or investigation in this report is related to the body of the lake. That is, there is nothing in this report to indicate that the bottom of the lake was investigated to see if it would hold water.
Note the sand and silty sand were found in some of the boring taken.

Anonymous said...

Not an engineer, but it looks to me like the BC report shows that there are 'silty sands' and that they have a high degree of permiability. Was there any recommendation made by BC as to the suitability of the site? Or was that left up to the county (via the county engineer) to decide if the site was suitable for use as a lake?

Kingfish said...

You make a good point. There will always be contractors trying to get bidness. Its up to the board to say yes or no.

Look, any issues with Warnock were made clear to voters in 2011. They not only sent the board back but kicked out DI Smith. Message sent. So, this is what they want. They got it. And I'm not being sarcastic. Elections have consequences.

Anonymous said...

So what is the next move? Have Malachi Financial products advise as to how to borrow more money and how much to borrow? Can they hire Malachi and git-r-all-dun for $Tree Fiddy?

Anonymous said...

I'll admit I don't know much about hauling sand but I've always believed a cubic yard of sand weighs about 3,000 pounds and a dump truck holds about 8 cubic yards. At that rate it'd take 62,500 loads to move 500,000 yards of sand. The BOS might want to add the cost of rebuilding whatever road the trucks travel moving the sand too. This could be
a huge expense and waste of money.

Anonymous said...

BCD did their job. There appears to be engineering and construction mistakes. My bet is the mistakes are not out of incompetence but the desire to benefit someone financially. Who is the contractor that did the original work? I notice county owned equipment is doing the work now. Isn’t it illegal for the county to do work on private property? Pretty clear from the piece the landowner is getting a benefit (leveling his property) from the dirt being place on his property.

Anonymous said...

This report has nothing to do with the lake, per se, just the dam that is to be built for the lake. You can even look at Figure 1, and none of the soil borings came from the area in the the lake... just the dam area and the lake embankments.

The borrow area borings, B-9 and B-10, those closest to the lake, with sand 1.5 feet and 6 feet below the surface and down, should have been the biggest clue that there was a tremendous amount of sand on the lake site.

Don't know what the specific request was in your FOIA, KF, but this report has nothing to do with the suitability of the site for a lake.

Micah said...

I wonder how many of them dump truck driver are related to Karl Banks.

Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...

Who owns the property where the lake is being built??

Anonymous said...

Gerald Steen signed the contract for this work at over $1.2 million. He voted for EVERY bill and he even asked the contractor for a campaign contribution! The man that is casting stones is trying to draw attention away from himself. Oh and Gerald said he would accept cash!!!

Anonymous said...

Gerald took do much cash in his last election he could pay off his house. He took $5000 from Eric Hammer. Eric confessed all in writing before he passed. One day soon Gerald will have to answer some Serious Questions from the FBI.

Anonymous said...

Steen was under investigation by the Ethics Commission not long ago.

Howard Sprague said...

You're gettin' sloppy Kingfish. Forty blank pages to scroll through. Otherwise.....this is old news.

The board is composed mainly of crooks. Rudy is a crook. The board's relationship with Rudy is (and always has been) crooked. The only one who was not a crook was voted out. Other ex-supervisors who were crooks are in advisory capacities or either laughing. Mary is pissed.

What else is new?

Pappy Odaniel said...

Jesus H Christ. Watching lawyers discuss engineering is liking watching that old Samsonite commercial where the gorilla is beating the hell out of the luggage...where do you morons think there is a pristine site with uniform impermeable soils (evidently the established JJ criteria for lake construction) available in the state of MS, much less Madison County? Let me help you buy a clue here...see the "borrow" site samples, that's for the dam....AND to deliver a uniform permeability to the bottom of the lake. Now that's not to say that there is a bunch of back-slapping good ole boy one hand washing the other stuff taking place here, but there is nothing in this outside of common practice

Anonymous said...

Yea.... DI is gone and we got who???? Steen! One of the biggest POS I have ever met. I see why he and Lott were buddies....oh wait....Steen screwed over his only buddy Lott as well. Like the first commnentor said, Madison voters aren't that bright.

Anonymous said...

Woke up this morning to find a group of black community leaders in Zcanton sho are organizing a Boycott of "SprintMart" stores. This company employees Gerald Steen, the racist supervisor, who publicly stated that no county money should be spent north ofGluckstadt. This is about to jump off!

Anonymous said...

Top of Page 3 pretty much sums up that Rudy is lying and Madison just got screwed.

This report is related only to the dam. It does not address the impoundment area. What is the impoundment area you ask?

water impoundment: A pool of water formed by a dam or pit

Anonymous said...

SprintMart apparently didn't know he was racist when they hired him. They bout to find out. Us black folks got money to spend on gas and last time I checked hold a lot of key elected offices. Time to put da squeeze on them. My next call is to Jesse Jsckson and let him know what's going on here.

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