Jackson Jambalaya

At the Pearly Gates the drowned man said to Saint Peter, “I had faith. Go let me die.”

Saint Peter replied, “We sent you a Jeep, a boat and a helicopter. What more could we have done for you?”

This state is run by the Baptist church and it shows...

July 15 at 10:06 here. The phrase should read “God let me die.” Not, “Go let me die.”

10:12
It's not the Baptist church pushing this. It's the crazies and the "leaders" of this state are going along to get those votes.

In 1979, a second-generation Mississippi Supreme Court justice, Lemuel Augustus Smith, Jr. wrote an opinion in _Brown v Stone_, 378 So. 2d 218 (Miss. 1979) that removed any religious exemption from Mississippi's compulsory vaccination laws. It was joined unanimously by the rest of the Court participating (only Suggs did not participate). It involved a Christian Scientist who did not want his son vaccinated. Apparently his beliefs were sincere. The opinion did not quote Mary Baker Eddy, but she had previously addressed the issue:

"rather than quarrel over vaccination, I recommend, if the law demand, that an individual submit to this process, that he obey the law, and then appeal to the gospel to save him from bad physical results."

The gist of the Court's finding was that the religious views of a very small minority of people, however sincere, simply cannot give way to the public health of all.

From December of 1979 until 2023, Mississippi had one thing that made it admired and respected across a spectrum of medical, legal, scientific, and even religious scholars and practitioners; we weren't last or the bottom 2-3 of something positive (or at the top of a negative list). That decision, the justices that made it, and those responsible for Mississippi's vaccination programs and its success were cited, lauded, admired, praised, and respected. Yes, you read that correctly: Missi-fuckin-ssippi justices, doctors, and public health professionals were widely admired for something.

No major religion prohibits vaccination, and in fact, the ones most folks in Mississippi and the US either adhere to or are readily familiar with at least by name (in alphabetical order), Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism generally support vaccination. Before any idiots start blathering about "untested," etc. in regard to COVID vaccines, the fact is that they are the most researched, tested, analyzed, scrutinized, and understood vaccines ever created. It was a worldwide effort involving hundreds of thousands of people with a myriad of advanced degrees and based upon decades, if not centuries, of research. Yes, there are a tiny number of people who will have adverse reactions to it. There also are a tiny number of people who things like peanuts, eggs, and other common items will trigger a serious, even life-threatening reaction. Coincidentally, the number of people whose sincere religious beliefs prohibit them or their children from being vaccinated, even among essentially the only "organized religion" that has such people, Christian Scientists, is also tiny. In other words, only a small number of a small subgroup holds such sincere religious beliefs.

So, in direct opposition to the legal, medical, and public health common sense brought into law by _Brown v. Stone_, a tiny fraction of Mississippians (i.e., Mississippi judges) have taken one of a tiny number of things that brought our state admiration and respect and turned into a source of wide condemnation and derision. Yet the vast majority of Mississippians have done nothing to raise hell about it. This is why we can't have nice things.

The government is to blame for the lack of faith in our medical system. With all the lies and disinformation put out with the COVID vaccine, people wonder if they can trust any of them.

"This state is run by the Baptist church and it shows..."

Whoa, wait a minute. While it may be fair game to blame "the Baptists" for a lot of stupid things, on this they are not only blameless, but have been logical, reasonable, and most importantly, generally correct. The official "party line" was in support of vaccines. See, e.g., https://www.baptistpress.com/resource-library/news/vaccine-mandates-raise-religious-liberty-questions/

It is a handful of people attempting to use "religion" for very irreligious purposes: to lie their way into an exemption which has nothing to do with any sincere religious beliefs and everything to do with selfish secular ones.

Wacko anti-vaxxers got a victory in MS.

If we can't question "the science," it's not science, it's propaganda.

Glad my kids are grown. They aren’t talking about the stupid Covid shot, these folks want to bring back mumps, measles and polio. Thankfully most or their kids are home schooled.

10:12, you are right, but most Baptists want their kids to get immunized. These folks way further out on the scale.

I'm sure I'll be granted an exemption to pay my employees less than $7.25/hr due to my deeply held economic beliefs, and a pass on jury duty due to my deeply held legal beliefs.

Oh wait, we don't do that, do we? The special privileges only apply when your beliefs are based on magical thinking and total nonsense.

I'll say this to the Mississippi nut jobs:
I took every vaccine I could get. Every Covid vaccine, I wore a mask.
I avoided church for a year. I never got Covid. I am alive at 71.
A couple I knew thought it was a joke. They died.
Now Mississippi children may end up blind or deaf with measles because nut jobs
say they have 'deeply held beliefs".
This is why Mississippi is laughed at. Dream on nut jobs.
Science is only to be debated in your fantasy world

Do I still have to pay Social Security tax if I believe that a Social Number is the Mark of The Beast?

11:41 apparently has no issues with the clot shot aka “COVID-19 vaccination” so everything he said should be suspect, just as many people are now questioning the official line from the medical establishment about many things, including childhood vaccinations. These people tried to get us to jab our children with an experimental gene therapy compound to protect them from a virus that posed almost no risk to children. They pushed the HPV vaccine on girls. When it started causing problems they started peddling it for boys to take.

If you trust these people you are incredibly naive at best.

The idea that the state has the authority to force any kind of shot on free people is antithetical to a free country.

We had an excellent childhood vaccine law before the decision gutted it.

Read papers from the 20's - 50's. Polio, measles, and other diseases ran rampant and killed kids while shutting down schools for weeks at a time.

As always, when we get comfortable, we forget the lessons of the past.

If you think the Baptists are running this state then you have no clue what is happening at the Capitol.

Most of the mainline religions are ignored. Pentecostals have the most stroke at the Capitol. Don't believe me? Where do you think most of the politicians have been this past week - district camp meeting.

But to be fair, this is not the Pentecostals' issue. It is the whack jobs that wear tinfoil hats. Andy Gibson and Mark Formby were their favorite legislators for a long time.

If you are Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Episcopal, Presbyterian, Church of Christ, Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, or whatever, know that your leadership has minimal influence.

" Pentecostals have the most stroke at the Capitol."

That's funnier than a Dave Chappelle performance.

@3:00 PM

It really wouldn’t be a problem if our immigration laws were enforced. The flood of illegal third world aliens is the real problem.

You many state lovers who think the state is entitled to force everyone to take whatever shot the corrupt medical establishment tells you to - if all these shots are so great then we wouldn’t need the law to force anyone to take them.

Childhood obesity is killing people, albeit slowly and over the long term. Should we have a law that forces people to eat healthy? Good nutrition, exercise, sufficient sunlight, and adequate rest would probably save millions from untimely deaths. Such practices would certainly have saved many from COVID deaths. Why do you think it’s ok to force immunizations but not these other good practices?

I know this - autoimmune issues that were once rare have become commonplace. I don’t know the culprit but y is reasonable to suspect vaccines, pesticides, herbicides, genetically modified foods, fast food and other highly processed foods, and who knows what other environmental factors. All of these things are very modern developments. All progress is not without negative consequences, or as the saying goes, “there is no free lunch”.

Dear Septuagenarian:

Congrats on surviving. But you didn't make it because of those "vaccines" or because of that mask.

The truth is out. No more debate. You were lied to about science.

Cheers.

You might die or survive a disease. You might suffer adverse effects from a disease.

You might die or survive a vaccination. You might suffer adverse effects from a vaccination.

A vaccination might help you to survive or to avoid adverse effects from a disease.

Since all vaccines are against infectious diseases, vaccines may reduce the transmission of these diseases.

All these effects by themselves and on each other can be studied and analyzed with statistical means. All statistical analyses show that vaccines have overwhelmingly positive effects on survival rates, adverse effects, and transmission rates for all diseases.

Unfortunately, there are always people who absolutely have no idea about statistics but think they know how bad vaccines are.

Test yourself. Can you define “standard deviation”, “marginal probability distribution”, or “p-value”. If not you are much better if to follow mainstream medical opinion. And that is in favor of vaccines.

Kids are getting too many vaccines. The childhood immunization schedule is up to 72 vaccines. Measles, polio, chickenpox - yeah let’s get them vaccinated. but 6 vaccines for Hep B? 4+ vaccines for rotavirus? Get the hell out of here with that crap.

Wow, the Medical Industry's paid shills definitely outnumber real people, in the comments, here.

Vaxxie, Vaxxie, heart attacksie
Takes his tests and wears his maskies
Still got Covid, every strain
Got spike proteins in his brain
Got the VAIDS at 24,
"Dr. Fauchi, gimmie more!"
Had a stroke at 25,
"Thank Moderna I'm alive!"
Swollen heart at 26,
Prayed to Pfizer for a fix
Died of SADS at 27,
Somehow thought he'd get to heaven
Vaxxie, Vaxxie, heart attacksie
Took his clot shots, wore his maskies
Obituary headline noted:
"Anti-Vaxxer Dies of Covid

"Can you define 'standard deviation', 'marginal probability distribution', or 'p-value'"

I can't, and I actually took statistics way back when. When I hear a target shooter talk about standard deviation, I'll sometimes ask him what it means, just for laughs.

5:00 PM, you're BRILLIANT! Thank you!

2:33. "I'll say this to the Mississippi nut jobs:
I took every vaccine I could get. Every Covid vaccine, I wore a mask.
I avoided church for a year. I never got Covid. I am alive at 71."

Dude, you're totally funny. You think you're the only 71yo alive because you did that?

Hahahaha!



July 15, 2023 at 2:33 PM

Now would be a good time for older teachers and those with health problems to retire or find another line of work.

This is the most ignorant comment post I have ever seen and I’ve been here a long long time. Absolute fucking retards. I don’t want my small kids being exposed to polio. And we’ve all had Covid and flu Over past two years and it was not fun.

My religious beliefs say that I can make whoever sick that I want, including your elderly, immuno-compomised, and infants. They’ll all die because I’m too selfish of a little shit to self reflect and see if this is what God really wants. Then, I’ll use the Bible to justify me selfishly risking the lives of your kids. Praise be.

No wonder religion is falling by about one percent each year in America. Fundamentalists, that’s entirely on you.

Do our military service people still have to take the 17 vaccines?

4;36 - "childhood obesity is killing people". Really? I contend poor parenting is killing people. I wish there was a vaccine for that.

Most of yall are acting like Mississippi is going to stop requiring vaccines altogether. They are just giving exemptions to those who ask for them AND complete all the red tape in the above article.
I'm mostly pro-vaccine, but to the verbose guy above who is preaching the COVID vaccine full gospel and saying it is the most researched vaccine ever: the virus was known for less than a year before the vaccine was released to be given. That doesn't qualify as being highly researched. It was just highly publicized and highly mandated. It is just now being researched, 2.5 years out from its release. Lots of bad and good things are being discovered.

The commenter at 2:20PM wrote,

"saying it is the most researched vaccine ever: the virus was known for less than a year before the vaccine was released to be given. That doesn't qualify as being highly researched."

Assertions like these prove the writer/speaker either has absolutely no knowledge or understanding of what they are talking about, or, are deliberately lying. In short, mRNA vaccine research has been on-going for about 50 years, and many of the principles involved much longer. No one has to take anyone's word for anything as to that length of time - a cursory web search will produce all manner of publications from the earliest days of that research.

As but one example of just how idiotic this "clot shot" crap truly is, one of the people often cited by the antivax kooks is Robert Malone, claiming he is the "father of mRNA vaccines." He is not, but he was one of the researchers in the mid to late 80s working on it and did do some important work on it. You cannot have it both ways, claiming it is something new, untested, or not long-researched while simultaneously citing to people who worked on it 40 years ago.

Also, with much of, but certainly not all, such research, "manhours" matter. Think of it like this: if a penny is hidden on a 640 acre/1 sq. mile field, it might take 1 person months to set up a grid and cover every inch of it, especially if the penny is near the diagonally-opposite corner from the starting point. But if 2500 people all line up shoulder-to-shoulder at one edge and another 2500 at the opposite edge, and begin walking toward the center, there is no grid necessary and even if the penny is in the exact middle, the penny will be quickly found. Rather than one person possibly having to walk hundreds or even as much as 2500 miles over weeks or months, 5000 people each walk 1/2 mile in 20-30 minutes. Another example many are personally familiar with is mowing a 1 acre yard - think of one person with an 18" push reel mower vs. even one person on a 60" zero turn (and then imagine enough of those zero turns so that each only needs to cut one 60" inch strip).

In very simple terms, because nRNA and the "message system" of mRNA vaccines are so long-researched and well-understood, all that need be found is the virus-specific "message" to plug into the "system" so it can give it to the immune system. Now, apply the penny or mower idea. With only one person with very limited resources working on it, in this case looking for the "message," it might take years but 5000 people with basically worldwide private and governmental resources looking for it will only take days.

10:55 PM Most of the nearly 14,000 who died from Covid in Mississippi were killed by the anti-vax, anti-mask zealots. They will now be free to unleash every disease known to mankind throughout the state.

2:20 - what matters statistically is how many data points a study has. A study that collected 100 000 data points over one year is better than a study that collects 10 000 data points over 20 years.

Your post just shows that you don’t have a clue about statistics.

(MSDH) will begin offering religious exemptions...

That right there is funny, don't care who (you know the rest of it). The state, through its HD network is following the law, and they call it 'providing' a right?

And it's laughable to think the requirement to watch a video will survive a legal challenge. It's like, "Before we give you that to which you are entitled by law, we are going to punish you by making you watch a video". What bullshit.

So, let's require every unwed, pregnant teenager to watch a video on celibacy in order to sign up for Medicaid. See how long that survives.

@ 10:23 and 7:22
I know enough to tell you that a year isn't enough to know the long term effects of a toxic new protein being introduced into a couple billion different patients x multiple doses. I didn't know Kingfish had so many geniuses reading his blog. Yall should be working in big time pharmaceutical research , not posting on here with the peons.
Really, condescending attitudes like yours are the reason why people have the degree of skepticism they have about vaccines and pharma in general. Tone down the pissy a lot and people might actually listen to you.

@10:23, categorically? NOPE.

I never had a single COVID shot, rarely wore a mask and never got COVID either 2:33.
See, that's how anecdotal advice works. I do work out, eat healthy and follow my doctors advice.

But you see...You tell your story because it supports your truth, and I tell my own experience that supports my beliefs.

Neither of us is wrong per se, but you present yours as if you have completed a factual science experiment and are prepare to apply your sound research to the mass population.

I am no so arrogant and take my experience for what it is. Mine.

You and Fauci would be pals.

Someone should 10:55 that the 'you are going to kill the grandparents guilt trip' is so 2000.

We are all pretty numb to that lie now, so you gotta find a new one.

Serious question for the anti vax community. Where in your religious doctrine, theology, or sacred texts is there any mention of getting or not getting vaccinated? Does it speak to aspirin or penicillin also?

"I know enough to tell you that a year isn't enough to know the long term effects of a toxic new protein being introduced..."

Actually, doctors, virologists, and myriad others could accurately say that it wouldn't take 30 seconds for them to absolutely know and understand with no research at all that injecting people with toxic substances would produce ill effects. No doctor or any other healthcare provider could ethically inject such a substance into a patient under the false pretense of a vaccine, anyway. But the fatal flaw in your comment is that no COVID vaccine (or any other vaccine) is what you allege. Again, such allegations are either borne of a total lack of knowledge and understanding, or, a desire to mislead others.

1) none of the mandatory childhood vaccines have been studied against placebo.
2) many of the diseases that the mandatory vaccines are supposed to protect us from have an effective treatment.
3) as a physician, we were always taught that all medicines have risks; it is inappropriate for the medical experts to say vaccines, especially the COVID vaccine, is “safe and effective.”
4) a person graduating high school in the 1960s would have had 3 vaccines if fully vaccinated; a person graduating high school in the 1980s, would have had about 20 if fully vaccinated; a child graduating today would require 70 vaccines!! If you have a grandparent that lived into their 80s and 90s you know they must be pretty healthy and didn’t require so many vaccines to be healthy!
5) with this federal judge ruling that Mississippians can have religious exemptions, we are no longer the only red state in the union that didn’t allow these exemptions.

You can hand out the trophies, ladies, and gentlemen, July 15, 2023 at 5:00 PM has the post of the year.

July 16, 2023 at 7:50 PM, do you have a link to this? What?? No??

The preacher made it to the roof when the river flooded. A helicopter cam by to get him, but he said, "No thanks. I trust in the lord!" Second helicopter came by to get him, same response. Then a boat came by, same response, "I trust the lord to save me!" Preacher got drowned.

When he got to heaven, "But god, I trusted in you to save me from the flood!" God responded: "Well, I sent two helicopters and a boat."

Only difference with a vaccine is the flood won't kill others due to the preacher's ignorance. Oh, and god is mysteriously absent, again.

Still no answer to the question asked about how this is actually a religious issue. How does it feel to bring God into your scam, anti vaxers?

It is important to have perspective when discussing what is undeniably a charged topic. I’ll post in parts because of the character limits.

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1 - 44 states permit their citizens to educate their children in the school system while also allowing religious objections to mandated childhood vaccinations. Until the recent MS federal court order, MS was a radical outlier, one of the very few states that suppressed religious freedoms in the vaccination arena. Mississippi has now joined the super-majority of states that respect religious freedom.

2 - Many Mississippians have profound objections to abortion, and several of the required vaccines were developed using the chopped-up body parts of normally developing children. For example, in just one study related to the development of vaccines, at least seventy-six normally developing babies were aborted, and while keeping the fetuses alive for harvesting their body parts, had nearly every body part chopped up into little cubes to culture viruses on, including their tongues, livers, intestines, pituitary glands, kidneys, and hearts. Here is a link to the deposition of Dr. Stanley Plotkin--referred to as the "Godfather of vaccines"--where he candidly discusses working with mutilated body parts of normally developing babies in furtherance of his vaccination research. https://www.sirillp.com/plotkin-abortion/

Also, many required vaccines under MS law also contain genetic and cellular material derived from aborted fetuses – materials that are injected directly into children’s bodies as a condition of receiving an education in Mississippi. This is plainly stated on the package inserts for several of the required vaccines. For example, according to CDC documents, “WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts” is listed as an ingredient of the MMR vaccine and “MRC-5 human diploid cells including DNA & protein” is listed as an ingredient of the Varicella (Chicken Pox) vaccine. See https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf.

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3 - Whether or not the mandated vaccines are "safe and effective" are irrelevant to families' religious objections to participating in abortion (or to any other religious objection to vaccination). “Safe” is a relative term. In 1986, Congress gave vaccine manufacturers complete and total liability protection from vaccine injuries (primarily because they were about to be sued into bankruptcy due to vaccine injuries). In other words, since 1986, you cannot sue a vaccine manufacturer if your child is injured by a vaccine. Rather, since 1986, taxpayers, instead of the pharmaceutical companies, have paid out billions of dollars to the families of vaccine injured children in what is called the "vaccine court" (in Washington D.C.). It is therefore disingenuous to argue the mandated vaccines are undisputedly "safe". Like all pharmaceutical products, there is a risk profile. However, for childhood vaccines--the only pharmaceutical product that virtually the entire U.S. population is mandated to take--there is much less incentive now for vaccine manufacturers to make a safer product because of the 1986 Act. Why would they make a safer product if taxpayers foot the bill for vaccine injuries?

4 - Since the 1986 Act was passed, the number of required vaccines has exploded. Again, it is just a good business model. The more liability free products that are mandated onto the population, the better. Prior to the Act, when liability for injuries attached to the manufacturers, there were only a select few vaccines required for school. Consequently, many, if not most, of the teachers in the school system born before 1986 have not received all of the currently required vaccines. This has been the case for almost 40 years now.

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5 - Mississippi has one of the highest vaccination rates in the country (around 99%). If the vaccines are truly protective, the entire debate about the purported dangers of allowing families to exercise their religious beliefs revolves around a tiny fraction of unvaccinated children. If the products are truly effective, how is allowing an unvaccinated child to receive a formal education going to endanger the 99% of vaccinated children in school?

6- American Jurisprudence is founded on the Decalogue, the Ten Commandments. It is the Higher Moral Law of God. God's Law is objective, not subjective. The Higher Moral Law of God is the cornerstone of our nation. We do not force our beliefs on anyone, nor should we. It is what makes our Constitutional Republic unique and special. However, The Right of Conscience is the most sacred of inalienable rights, and a person's conscience is what drives their core values, morals, ethics, and religion. By founding intent, we are pillared and structured as a nation to protect the Right of Conscience fiercely for every American citizen. The government, under no circumstance, has the Constitutional authority to usurp power or rule over an individual's conscience. It is the ultimate governmental violation. The government exists of the people, for the people, and by the people. Otherwise, you have tyranny. We need to restore liberty and freedom to our nation per the Ninth and Tenth Amendments.

Thanks for your time and consideration!

All of these comments by people afraid to die, but you're going to do it anyway.

Someone, anyone, name a religion that that bans vaccination. Even Christian Science/The Church of Christ, Scientist not only does not "ban" or prohibit them, Mary Baker Eddy herself spoke to the subject (see her quote in my comment above). That said, there is APPARENTLY a very small sub-set of that fairly small religion that do have a sincere objection to not only vaccines but much more than "standard" Christian Scientists, and they have held such beliefs long before COVID. In other words, those who have a sincere religious objection against vaccinations are a tiny number of the population and they do not seek or accept most other medical care either.

Alright then, here would be a fair compromise and no one with a sincere religious objection to medical care could object to merely agreeing to do what their faith already tells them they must. Anyone can have a "religious exemption," BUT you have to sign an affidavit under penalty of perjury that you are against all forms of medical care and have never had such medical care. Any previous of future medical care not expressly allowed by your religion shall be prima facie evidence of perjury. If you obtain a waiver for a minor based upon your claimed religious objection and you accept any such medical care for the child or yourself, it will be deemed child endangerment and would enhance the sentence on conviction. Given the nature of the potential effects on society, such perjury would be a federal crime and carry the same 5 year max, but have a 2 year minimum sentence upon conviction. Obtaining such a waiver for a minor would be a sentencing enhancement and make the minimum 4 years and the max 10 years.

So, all you sincere religious objectors, how many are you are ready to put your sincerity in writing under oath?

The crazy is maxed out on this thread. Y’all go get you some mumps and measles. You won’t be missed.

@ commenter from July 16, 2023 at 7:22 PM

Re "Robert Malone"

"Caring" Dr. Malone is clear controlled opposition, everyone can see that readily just read the info at these sites:
https://archive.ph/or6e2
https://archive.org/details/dr.-robert-malone-dark-vaccine-wizard
https://archive.vn/BJlNd
https://archive.vn/eisHt
https://archive.ph/Z4EJt
https://archive.ph/BatXh
https://archive.ph/qTn3e
https://rumble.com/v2fbyxo-home-malone-with-george-webb.html
https://archive.ph/e1yMe
https://archive.ph/lyeua
https://archive.is/JXtUy

"We'll know our Disinformation Program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---William Casey, a former CIA director=a leading psychopathic criminal of the genocidal US regime

Malone supposedly "suddenly saw the light" (=he was stupid all his former life yet he's now the entitled "enlightened" smart person everyone should trust and follow) and entered the public space out of nowhere, and then SELFISHLY presents HIMSELF as a "victim" of those ruling "bad guys" (https://www.rolf-hefti.com/covid-19-coronavirus.html) he's been serving for decades (https://archive.ph/5RVCt & https://rumble.com/v2fbyxo-home-malone-with-george-webb.html), and wants you to believe he's a saint, and on your side.

He knew in 2019 (!) that the “Spike Protein” is highly toxic yet he did nothing to prevent its inclusion in Covid jabs (https://rumble.com/v22nbhy-the-curious-case-of-dr.-robert-malone.html & https://archive.is/lwDYr). Yet he's suing many people (https://archive.vn/eisHt & https://archive.ph/wip/Z4EJt & https://archive.ph/BatXh) for "slandering" him with real truths about him.

Since he knew at least since 2019 that the “Spike Protein” is highly toxic we can be certain that his publicized events of him getting a Covid "vaccine and a booster are fraudulent staged fake events. Him deceiving the public ... you.

The ruling criminals pulled off the Covid Scam globally via its WHO institution because almost all nations belong to it. Sign the declaration at https://sovereigntycoalition.org to exit the WHO

July 17, 2023 at 5:53 PM, who are you that you should decide what I should, or shouldn't do? From reading your rantings, you sound like you have a genital problem.

"6- American Jurisprudence is founded on the Decalogue, the Ten Commandments."

An interesting allegation, especially when the first words of the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution are, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." Depending on which numbering scheme one chooses to use, a secular law based upon at least three (and possibly four or five) of the ten would be in direct violation of the 1st Amendment. Essentially, what is commonly thought of as the first Commandment, "Thou shalt have no other God(s)" runs directly afoul of the first Amendment. Not an auspicious start for your argument. As to the Commandments that are also reflected in secular laws, the concept of murder and theft being wrong is obviously not unique to and did not originate from the "Ten Commandments" so trying to assign the prohibition in US secular law as being sourced from the commandments is nonsense.

Also of note, the three prime drafters of the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson, Adams, and Franklin, were self-described deists, another strike against your argument. And strike three: The two men who had the largest individual influences on the drafters and ratifiers of the US Constitution and its first ten amendments were John Locke, who was a Christian but was absolutely firm in his belief that "the (C)hurch(es)" and "State" should be totally separate, and Montesquieu, who held the same belief on "church and state" and did not believe in a "personal deity." In fact, Montesquieu said (in basic terms) that while "religion" was good for society (but any would do and it did not have to be Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or any "God-based" one), no religion should play a role in its secular laws.

"2 - Many Mississippians have profound objections to abortion, and several of the required vaccines were developed using the chopped-up body parts of normally developing children. For example, in just one study related to the development of vaccines, at least seventy-six normally developing babies were aborted, and while keeping the fetuses alive for harvesting their body parts, had nearly every body part chopped up into little cubes to culture viruses on, including their tongues, livers, intestines, pituitary glands, kidneys, and hearts. Here is a link to the deposition of Dr. Stanley Plotkin--referred to as the "Godfather of vaccines"--where he candidly discusses working with mutilated body parts of normally developing babies in furtherance of his vaccination research. https://www.sirillp.com/plotkin-abortion/"

This is such a mishmash of gibberish it's difficult to address it, but the bottom line is that if an objection to vaccines is based on the use of aborted fetuses in the development of that vaccine (and which wouldn't apply to COVID vaccines anyway, nor did Plotkin work on that), the objector must also refuse to take a whole range of modern drugs. If the objection includes the use of lab-grown lines derived from fetal cells harvested in the early 1960s, and the use of them in any way in development or on-going research as the basis and criteria for objection, the objector would have to refuse essentially any modern prescription or over-the-counter medication. Again, it is nothing but kooks with no real understanding of medicine, science, research, development, etc. taking out-of-context information and using it for their own purposes.

The bottom line is that a sincerely-held objection to any medicine in which fetal cells were used in development or research is certainly possible, but such a belief mandates the absolute refusal of a whole lot more than vaccines. However, a claimed "sincerely-held objection" against COVID vaccines based upon "chopped up fetuses" being connected to the development or production of them is factually impossible. Yes, it is possible to object to COVID vaccines based upon the use of lab-grown cells that were derived from cells harvested 60 years ago, but again, that would mandate refusal of a whole lot more than COVID vaccines.

July 17th at 5:53, that is some illogical and unhinged sh-- you just wrote. I'd compare it to someone preferring not to ride in a certain vehicle, and you declaring that they be banned from any vehicle forever. I'm glad you aren't in charge.

All I can say is that anything you can't question or argue against in any way is a cult or a fundamentalist religion or some dictatorial system, and I suppose lots of yall must be in favor of that.

10:43AM wrote: "July 17th at 5:53, that is some illogical and unhinged sh-- you just wrote. I'd compare it to someone preferring not to ride in a certain vehicle, and you declaring that they be banned from any vehicle forever."

It is both logical and "hinged," and your straw argument isn't even a good straw argument. First, religious objections to vaccines are not based upon an objection to vaccines, they are based upon the "medicine" underlying them. The small subset of Christian Scientists who sincerely believe that most medical treatment is wrong do not single out vaccinations and certainly not just COVID vaccinations. They refuse a host of medical care and treatment on religious grounds. The other area of ALLEGED religious opposition is the false claim that "aborted fetuses" were used in the development of, specifically, COVID vaccines or the true assertion that lab-grown cells derived from those harvested from two abortions in the early 1960s were used. The problem for those who would seek to use either of those as the basis for their lie is that those with actual sincere beliefs would refuse ALL of the other medical products and developments that have resulted from the the use of material resulting from abortions.

The sincere Christian Scientists do put their body and health "where their mouth is" every day - they talk the talk AND they walk the walk (at least until some disease cripples or otherwise incapacitates them and they must crawl the crawl). A sincere "abortion objector" would refuse anything that involved abortions or material obtained as a result. Since a sincere objector would do that anyway, making anyone who claims such a religious exemption "walk the walk" would not be making anyone do anything their allegedly sincere beliefs command them to do anyway. In other words, asking a sincere Christian not to have any other God, create idols, use the Lord's name in vain, commit adultery, murder, or theft, not to covet, etc. would be absolutely no additional demand of them at all. In fact, it would seem that if they were truly sincere, they would welcome any and every chance to prove their faith and sincerity.

As to the completely incorrect straw analogy involving cars, I did not suggest anything remotely close to refusing to ride in one particular car should or would result in a ban from all cars. The more correct analogy would be that someone who claimed a religious objection to cars to attempt to avoid being arrested and placed in a police car should not then be allowed to ride in any other car. If their alleged religious objection to cars were sincere, such a ban imposes no difficulty on them because they would not be seeking to ride in any car anyway.