The Desoto County Coroner and the Mississippi State Department of Health are going at it over what constitutes a Covid-19 death.
Desoto County Coroner Michael Pounders (R.N.) stated on Facebook last week:
This post is not to take away the importance of any life or life lost during the "covid 19" pandemic. I sympathize with any family who has lost a loved one however I also believe its important to report facts to the public.
In the month of July 2020 the Desoto County Coroners office completed reports and in the process of filing 144 deaths with the state of Mississippi. This is an average month in Desoto County
I normally dont publicly post specifics of the deaths each month out of respect for family privacy and Hippa laws however I see on a daily bases in the last few months many facebook google experts and politicians with politically driven agendas driven by money reporting information that is twisted and false to the public.
These are your Facts for Desoto County in the month of July2020.
deaths and cause of death
cancer 30
congestive heart failure,heart disease,lung diseases,vascular disease,stroke, or the combination of more that one of these. 67
cirrhosis of liver 1
Infection or sepsis from a source of infection such as Pneumonia 18
accidental trauma who passed away inside of Desoto County before reaching a hospital 0
Renal disease 2
Drug overdose 1
Possible drug related deaths pending toxicology results from Ms Medical examiners office 5
Gastrointestinal complications (ex bowel obstruction, Gastrointestinal hemorrhage) 4
Alzheimers disease,Dementia,Parkinsons disease 16
Homicide 0
Total deaths investigated by Desoto County Coroners office in the month of July 2020= 144
These numbers include hospice deaths,hospital deaths,unexpected deaths in the home, and deaths of people who died before reaching a hospital to get medical care.
Deaths of people who had a + covid test result prior to or at the time of their death but does not necessarily mean covid was their primary cause of death 24 this number is included in the total number of deaths(144) above. All of the individuals who have died that were + for covid at some point have all had major medical problems prior to contracting covid. most of these deaths have been of people over the age of 75. Many of these covid deaths are of people who were on hospice care with a terminal diagnoses. some of these deaths the person was + for covid but had no symptoms of covid prior to death but died of other medical problems. The department of health demands that these deaths be called a covid death and reports them as only that without reporting that many of them were terminal prior to a +test.
In my opinion this has lead to unnecessary fear in the public and caused stress to the citizens in this county and across this country.
The one thing that is drastically up is cardio/pulmonary deaths. I attribute this to 2 things: 1. stress of the covid 19 pandemic. stress causes high blood pressure and high blood pressure with heart disease or vascular disease cause heart attacks and strokes. (KF: Patients are probably not going to the doctor as much for blood pressure and medication checks as they did before the pandemic.)
2. people see the false information politicians report to the world on the internet. They see what the news reporter who has no knowledge of what he is reporting broadcast to the world. They become scared to leave home and go to the hospitals for fear of a virus when they need medical care for a more serious condition and ultimately have a cardiac arrest at home.
Although anytime life is lost I consider it a tragedy and sympathize with that family. I however believe that public fear and the government reporting only partial information is misleading and should not be. Covid is real and we should protect the elderly who are frail however life for the average healthy majority must go on so that chaos in our community and across the country does not escalate and ultimately cause more deaths than any virus ever would.
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The Mississippi State Department of Health responded:
It is ridiculous to suggest that the MSDH tells coroners what to do regarding their diagnosis of death. I found the coroner's comments article utterly unfounded and damaging to those working on the frontlines to fight COVID-19 and the many Mississippians who need to have accurate information.
We have addressed these concerns on numerous occasions. Deaths are reported to MSDH in a number of fashions. Hospitals, physicians, and nursing homes report COVID-19 related deaths directly to MSDH for inpatients or residents that they have been providing care for and are COVID-19 positive. Many of the deaths have chronic underlying medical problems that impact their health and risk related to COVID-19. Additionally, death certificates that indicate
COVID-19 as an underlying cause of death or a significant condition contributing to the death of the individual are reviewed further to determine potential additional deaths.
COVID-19 is having an impact on a number of vulnerable populations with underlying medical problems. It is incumbent upon all of us to take COVID-19 seriously and take responsibility to put in place those measures to prevent transmission and protect the vulnerable populations. Each death that occurs is saddening and certainly we all wish there were fewer.
WLBT jumped into the fray last night:
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Hopefully MSHD is dead on.
MSDH has repeatedly tried to address the various myths that 'experts' around the state and elsewhere are trying to spread about COVID. But those that want to spread crap must enjoy the smell because despite the truth being otherwise, the spew it as if it were coming from orifices on both ends of their bodies.
Truth of the matter is that COVID deaths nationwide are probably underreported rather than overreported . But people like this coroner (who it was noted the other day is probably preparing to run for higher office in Desoto County since he is playing to the Robert Foster crowd) will continue to lie about what is actually happening in the medical field in trying to fight this coronovirus.
"In my opinion". Is the DeSoto county corner vetted as an expert witness?
Note to the coroner: Straightening out all the "facebook google experts and politicians" is not your job. If you think it is, then you have become a part of the problem.
Guy at my work with a BMI in the 40s just came back to work after three weeks recovering from Covid-19. He has hypertension and diabetes. He said he had a worse flu a while back when they were innoculating us with the worthless flu shot. Said Covid-19 made him unable enjoy his gluttonous habits because nothing had identifiable taste or smell.
As has said before. You pearl clutchers and panty wetters are a disgraceful bunch or sheep. It's like living in the Twilight Zone
It isn’t lying to point out that counting terminal hospice patients with terminal diagnoses are being fraudulently reported as Covid deaths based on nothing more than a positive test in the past. The coroner would be considered an expert based on his experience in a court of law. That medical bureaucrats are offended only raises questions. Any disagreement should be based on a review of the statistical data shared by the coroner. As hominem attacks on the coroner undermine the credibility of those complaining about what the coroner has observed.
And there is no basis for the statement of one a over that “Covid deaths are underreported.” What has been reported in major media outlets like Washington Post is that infection rates are underreported. That is likely true. If true, the stronger the argument that fatality rates are statistically underreported die to bad underlying data on infection numbers. Gotta make apples to apples observations and conclusions to avoid spreading misinformation.
Why do we elect coroners?
Retweeting GOP officials and speaking heads makes it pretty clear that the clown of a coroner in desoto is trying to appeal to the freedumb crowd for his future jump into politics. Just do your job and stop spreading bs. Why is that so hard these days?
If you have preexisting heart disease/failure and I shoot you, after which your heart stops, can I not then be charged with homicide since you had a potentially terminal condition? Both covid and my bullet seem to be the proximate cause unless Michael Pounders is the coroner.
It doesn't matter what topic is on this board, the Chokwe brigade is always here to show their ignorance. Stand down little Chokes. You look as dumb as your master.
@1:49 I agree with your analysis because in my experience anecdotes always prove to be universally true for everyone else. That's why I don't listen to Dr Dobbs and them. They are looking at too much relevant information and drawing broadly applicable conclusions based on the a wide variety of measurements. That's not the right way to understand Covid. They should just stick with that anecdote that you shared.
Trolls are out in force today.
Folks... without a thorough autopsy no one can definitively say WHAT caused a person’s death. And even with autopsies, hypotheticals factor in. But, realistically, a positive COVID-19 result in a terminal person should NOT be reflected on the death certificate. A positive result for a gunshot victim or auto accident victim should NOT be reflected on death certificate. A positive result for a heart attack victim should NOT be reflected on the death certificate. The positive result may belong in hospital records or an autopsy report but NOT ON THE DEATH CERTIFICATE.
The government is hellbent on counting cases/deaths. The numbers are skewed. The incentives are real. This deadly virus is real. The stress of this constant chaos is real. The masks suck. We are being emotionally terrorized for political gain... point blank. If our government was working TOGETHER, our reality would look different right now. Instead, monsters on both sides are so eat up with pride and greed they cannot see what they are doing to us. And the best part, many of our citizens are so emotionally charged about past happenings that they can’t even function like productive citizens. We are destroying our own country right now and calling it WOKE. Our society is literally eating itself alive and it’s heartbreaking.
Oh hell, this is easy. Just declare anyone/everyone Covid positive when admitted anywhere for anything or involved in a shooting or accident. We're all gonna die and at that point I don't give a rats ass what you all say I died of. If someone makes money off of my death being Covid, just split it with my wife. Thanks in advance.
"Why do we elect coroners?" Probably because wee, the state, couldn't afford to pay and keep Med Examiners.
Wheres all the dead bodies in the street? The panty pissers are acting like this is that Matt Damon movie Contagion where people are dropping like flies in the supermarket and rioting over MREs. This is a huge nothing burger. It's literally nothing and you are so terrified of it!
I knew this guy was an idiot when I read "Hippa laws" in his post. First, it is HIPAA, not HIPPA. Second, it has no application to a dumba** coroner.
And the 8:28pm’s of the world will ensure we deal with this pandemic for years to come.
@8:23
You mean like influenza, HIV, and so many other viruses we just can't seem to eradicate? You smell like a porta potty!
@8:28pm If your standard for when you care is when there are "dead bodies in the street," then God have mercy.
@9:48am - No, I’m referring to all the viruses that are broadly spread through the air by people exhibiting no symptoms and can kill. None of those you cited, or can cite, meet this criteria, because we’ve never dealt with anything like this before. But you keep on making those non-comparisons, sport. I’m sure the only thing that smells like a porta-potty in here is your trailer.
@11:18
8:28 here. The response to Covid-19 that you terrified sheep are demanding might be warranted if the scenario were as I described. But it is not even close.
If the media wasn't talking about Covid-19 constantly then we might not even notice it.
@11:53am - You’re probably right, I wouldn’t have noticed that my aunt died from it or the other several hundred thousands that will die this year from it. Keep living your best life Mr. Christian, empathy and caring about others is obviously something Jesus didn’t espouse.
@12:23
If you hadn't heard of Covid-19 and she died, what would you assume she died from? Cirrhosis? Possibly something cardiovascular? Maybe a lifetime of suffering from Hepatitis?
Your pathetically weak argument is based not on logic but on emotion.
And why do you assume that 11:53 is religious?
@8:28 & 11:53
12:23 hit the nail on the head with you. Covid19 is not affecting you personally so that's the only standard you need. People trying to show concern for the well-being of others are the problem in your world. I'm serious, God have mercy.
@1:14pm - Do you really think that the doctors and scientists that you so casually ignore give a shit about what the news reports or doesn’t report? She would’ve been diagnosed with the virus that killed her regardless if I didn’t know about the virus or not, else she’d still be alive. Do you think science and medicine stop because the news covers something else? How are you that dense?
@3:34
The 98.9% survival rate confirms you must already have one foot in the grave for Covid-19 to be anything more than a bitch of a cold.
@4:35pm - 99.7% survival rate for Americans in WWII. I guess those 407k Americans that died didn’t matter too, much like when we cross that same milestone in much less time it took WWII to do the same.
Big nothingburger. Keep on trying to justify your lack of patience and self-discipline and attacking those that try to help others because you’re a selfish prick and you want others to agree with your selfish actions. So you call those of us that care and acknowledge science as “scared.” We’ll continue to label you and those like you as ignorant selfish assholes.
10:06, WW2 would've had a higher bodycount too if they'd sent all the old people to fight instead of the young.
You really need to change your soiled bloomers. Maybe lay off the soy too.
@11:15pm - Keep on proving my point, and keep on keeping Mississippi last.
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