Friday, August 20, 2021

Former General Discusses Afghanistan Debacle

 Clinton Mayor and former Brigadier General Phil Fisher appeared on WYAB's Kim Wade radio show to discuss the Afghanistan debacle yesterday.  Mayor Fisher served a tour of duty in Afghanistan in 2010.  While the mindless pundits rage back and forth across the airwaves and internet, General Fisher provides the perspective of someone who actually served in Afghanistan.   The audio is posted below.


38 comments:

Anonymous said...

Good guy. Absolutely infused with Brig General hormones though.

Anonymous said...

Why did America invade Afghanistan in the first place?

Anonymous said...

@12:10, opium for the Sacklers, lithium for cell phones

Anonymous said...

Do your own research 12:10

Anonymous said...

@12:10
The plan to encircle our best ally in the Middle East was cooked up by the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) long before 9/11. The PNAc Think Tank consisted of Dick Cheney, Elliott Abrams, Richard Armitage, John Bolton, Stephen Bryen, Douglas Feith, Frank Gaffney, Fred Ikle, Robert Kagan, Zalmay Khalilzad, William Kristol, Michael Ledeen, Bernard Lewis, Peter Rodman, Donald Rumsfeld, Gary Schmitt, Max Singer, Casper Weinberger, Paul Wolfowitz, David Wurmser, and Dov Zakheim. Back then we called them “Neo Cons” because many had been siehard Marxists for decades prior to joining the PNAC. Their primary motivation was to profit from Evangelical Christian Conservative Zionist sympathies. After 9/11 they successfully merged public sentiment against Radical Islamic Terrorism with pro-Zionist support for invasion of the Middle East.

After W left office, Obama implemented a radical new phase that was called the “Arab Spring” in which the CIA, MI6, and Mossad armed insurgencies against numerous unfriendly Middle East dictatorships. Within a few years those armes insurgents we supported came to be known as ISIL, ISIS, and the Islamic State.

Anonymous said...

Great interview. Thanks for posting.

Anonymous said...

I guess they don't teach history in school anymore. No wonder we have dumbass people running around.

Anonymous said...

@6:58
They are going to have to do their own research because Kingfish will NEVER approve the truth since it will violate his policy against antisemitism.

Here is the list of names of the men who architected the War on Terror:

Richard Perle, Dick Cheney, Elliott Abrams, Richard Armitage, John Bolton, Stephen Bryen, Douglas Feith, Frank Gaffney, Fred Ikle, Robert Kagan, Zalmay Khalilzad, William Kristol, Michael Ledeen, Bernard Lewis, Peter Rodman, Donald Rumsfeld, Gary Schmitt, Max Singer, Casper Weinberger, Paul Wolfowitz, David Wurmser, and Dov Zakheim.

Search for Project for a New American Century (PNAC) and the term “neoconservative” which real conservatives labeled those former Marxists who took control in the W Bush years.

Anonymous said...

At 12:10 - Satellite imagery showing the white flowing robes of OBL.

Anonymous said...

@12:10 AM - Bush 43 sent us in to go after Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. When it was determined that OBL moved to Pakistan we didn't leave as we should have.

Why? Too much money to be made by the Military Industrial Complex, just like in Vietnam. It's not about terrorism, it's about the money.

Anonymous said...

There is no shortage of tin-foil hats today.

Anonymous said...

Some of y’all spend too much time on conspiracy websites and strain really hard to find a relevant place to post your nonsense. Like this thread.

Anonymous said...

@9:00, 9:13. Yes, anything that contradicts what the government (who’ve NEVER lied to us) says is a “tin foil hatter”

Anonymous said...

9:13,
Some people have a high enough IQ to know that the elites are doers and nothing important merely happens by chance. Only the smoothbrains among us would believe the narrative promoted by cable news. Remember, even Covid-19 was intentionally created.

Perhaps you are a paid shill or maybe worse, you actively profited from selling out our troops and using them as cannon fodder.
The ones that died are justified. And the survivors still deal with the trauma and revelations that the entire War on Terror was a cash machine for the politically connected.

Anonymous said...

@7:33, that really makes the Bush-Obama relationship make a lot more sense.

Anonymous said...

I suspect there is a loosely integrated contingent of hard core Trump leaning conservatives throughout the military/Dept of Defense/intelligence who strongly oppose Progressive political polices and are in a 'wink & nod' conspiracy to undermine the Biden administration enabling and fostering whatever passive/aggressive obstacles that present opportunities. And sadly Joe Biden is gullible enough to not recognize the situation.

Anonymous said...

This administration has been talking withdrawal for months. Months. The actual planning and execution of this withdrawal appears to have been planned overnight. We pay millions upon millions for "expert consultants" to advise us on every bullshit government program ever conceived but this withdrawal was planned by 8th grade girl scouts. It's beyond incompetent. It shows our priorities were/are elsewhere. But where? I shudder to think.

Anonymous said...

@10:26
No, Trump didn't have any deepstaters in the military. This is the MIC guaranteeing that they get another 20 years of funding to mass troops in Afghanistan and spend and waste and spend some more!

Anonymous said...

@10:38
Go watch the Vice News documentary on Youtube called "This is What Winning Looks Like"

One of the opening scenes is Pres. Obama's 2012 State of the Union. With Biden and Boehner sitting behind him, Pres. Obama stated that the withdrawal from Afghanistan had begun (in 2012) and that the Afghan people would be electing whichever government they chose. Later, one of Sec. Clinton's minions went on record to say that if the Afghan people democratically voted for the Taliban, the USA would not oppose their right to self rule.

Anonymous said...

@10:26a- But the intelligence reports suggest otherwise…

Biden WAS advised. HE refused/ignored options. He CHOSE this outcome.

Anonymous said...

9:13, your comment was like an adrenalyn shot to the arms of the nuts.

News That You Can Trust said...

From SecDef Austin:

"The military would really love to help, but we just can't," said Secretary Austin. "Fighting terrorists, securing safe passage to airports, flying planes—that's just not our thing. We're more into diversity training and free gender transition surgeries, to be honest. That's the stuff that's more in our wheelhouse."

Courtesy of The Babylon Bee, which replaced Mad Magazine.

Anonymous said...

@11:12AM
I believe “adrenaline” is the correct word.

Anonymous said...

@7:57AM
I don’t believe you. Do you honestly want me to believe that our President of the United States sent thousands and thousands of troops to war in Afghanistan over some money?
Nah. America definitely had a legitimate reason to invade Iraq er, Afghanistan.

Anonymous said...

@6:58AM
Why would I do research when every knows the answer to every question imaginable can and will be found in the comment section of Kingfish’s blog?
Who do you think I am? I’m a follower not a leader.

Anonymous said...

@10:26AM
Conservatives, Liberals, Republicans, Democrats—it’s ALL the same.
Do some research and stop allowing the media to program your dome.

Anonymous said...

Long ago, a combat veteran of WWII told me that " how a veteran views a war is entirely based on where and when he served".

That refrain has been repeated by combat veterans of Vietnam.

We could all go back to Eisenhower's warning. We could go back to scandals we love to forget of those who profit from war.

But, the truth is that we will continue to have men and now women who seek power and wealth without any regard for the aftermath. They could not succeed so well without the citizens of their countries being willing to heed the fiery rhetoric without pausing to reflect. And, afterwards, the victors write a very different history in the moment than the defeated .

It's really historians and sociologists who will determine, long after the participants are dead and from the records that remain behind, how much of the disaster was culturally driven and how much was blind ambition and greed at it's worse.

Historians have proved that Pershing sent American troops to their deaths when he knew the Armistice was hours away from being " official". Yet, he became a hero. Because we, even now, do not want to tarnish any " win" with inconvenient truths. And, with defeat, there will be too many failures to ever sort well.

We didn't learn from Vietnam that you can't " nation build" unless you control the government completely and even then, you'd best plan to stay for many generations.

Anonymous said...

General Fisher is shell shocked. I can tell.

Anonymous said...

Is it time to start electing our national security people instead of having incompetent political hacks like our last three presidents appoint them. Biden and his crew's handling of Afghanistan has really gotten my attention. He is totally out to lunch, his VP is dumber than a box of rocks and he's appointed a total freak show for "security" advisors.

Anonymous said...

@10:26

Gullible ???? Bwahahaha I believe the word you're looking for is addled .

Anonymous said...

This so called "botched pull out" was actually a brilliant move on the part of the U.S.
As an illustration, if you want to disturb a fire ant mound, what do you do? You step on it. But be sure to remove your foot quickly. Now what happens? The fire ants emerge en masse. Now, let's replace the fire ants with bad guys. And add a fatal dose of Covid-19 that's already in place. How long to overwhelm their hospital system? What hospital system?! If there aren't folks lying dead in the street next to their weapons in the next few weeks, then clearly something isn't right. Right?

Clarify Before I Read Further said...

I never know when Kingfish is full of shit and joking around and when his posts are serious. Is this man a Brig. Gen. or is he not. I have no clue. Of course The Fish also refers to the mindless Attorney General as 'General' in a weak attempt at humor, also.

Don Drane said...

Some of you people strain harder at gnats and conspiracies than you do the morning dump. Your only success, hopefully, is with the latter.

Anonymous said...

@1:03PM
Agreed. I constantly read the comment section because 9 times outta 10 someone here knows the cure to COVID-19.

Anonymous said...

All I see in § 41-23 allows him to do is, "the temporary detainment of individuals for disease control purposes".

So how does that get interpreted to mean that he can declare it "a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine of $500, six months’ imprisonment, or both, upon conviction"?

And, yes, law enforcement personnel are authorized to assist him in detaining individuals. But again, I see nothing that says that the State Health Officer can make laws.

I'm not a lawyer and I don't play one on TV, but I did learn to read in public school; so I may be misreading the words.

Anonymous said...

Biden is brilliant. He has surrounded the Taliban from the inside!!

Seriously, there is no shartage of politicians willing to let someone ELSE shed THEIR bllod.

Anonymous said...

@7:48AM
It’s the American Way.

Anonymous said...

Great Interview. Thank you for your service.



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