The Jackson City Council is meeting right now to discuss the expiration of the Richard's Disposal "emergency" contract. However, the Council lacks a quorum as only Council members Virgi Lindsey, Angelique Lee, and Bryan Grizzell appeared. The meeting is streamed below.
Mayor Lumumba said "This is not Chokwe Lumumba's contract." He asked "That we be fair to the state bidding process. The only thing I remain loyal to is the price, the cost to you."
The Mayor said "we will huddle up" and the "residents deserve better than the stench of garbage in the streets." He said FCC could not match the RFP price again and it would go up for a new RFP. Waste Management said it considered the old RFP to be dead. The Mayor said Richard's Disposal said it would commit to the price in its bid. However the Mayor did not mention that Richard's Disposal said it reserved the right to raise prices under the proposal submitted. Thus Jackson residents would almost certainly experience price increases due to the increase in fuel and labor costs the original RFP.
The Mayor said he was not going to enter into a third emergency contract. He said emergency contracts drove up the cost of garbage collection.
Kingfish note: Mayor, it's real simple. Submit a proposal with the best score for the twice a week service without a cart.
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Loyal to the cost or the carts?
What is that thing sitting next to Hizzonor?
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Lumumba keeps submitting the same proposal The Council keeps turning it down. Under the law, the Mayor has to submit a different contract. It's that simple.
Mr. Grizzell says almost all of the decisions made by the Council are made before the council gavels in. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
The mair is nothing but a good old fashioned LIAR.
- Lying about the carts
- Lying about the price increase
Please, someone call him on this!
Hizzoner has known for months that today was coming, that his emergency contract expired.
Hizzoner also knew that this day was one where three votes against his contract could not be present - great scheduling on the last day, when votes were out of town.
Hizzoner knows he does not have the votes for his 96 gallery cart program - but he refuses to present any other option.
Hopefully the court will provide the council authority to bypass hizzoner's dictatorial attempts.
3.4 RATE ADJUSTMENT
On July 1, 2024, and annually on or before July 1st thereafter, the parties shall determine the increase or decrease in the monthly compensation based upon a pricing index over the previous 12- month period based on the Annual CPI for All Urban Consumers for the South Region. The annual amount of such increase or decrease shall not exceed 5%. The effective date of the increase or decrease shall be on October 1, 2024 and annually on or before October 1st thereafter.
Heading to Lowe's to buy rat poison, and then online to buy rat poison futures.
One of those people said the city paid an atty. a Loy of money. How much?
The most cost-effective solution would have been to entered into a contract with the lowest and best bid for 2x a week pickup without a cart, which is what the people want, before the price of fuel increased dramatically, and inflation spiked. There’s only one person to blame for that failure.
Let the garbage pile up
Little trump will suffer
Mayor appears to have had his hair sculpted like a muslim prayer cap.
Dapper.
Assuming that there is no contract on April 1, don't forget that some community organizers in Eastover are setting up a temporary/emergency trash collection point across the street from the Covenant Presbyterian Church on Ridgewood Road.
Worst Jackson Mayor Ever. A Total Fraud.
Something got to be did about this situation….
A month from now, daytime temperatures will be in the high 80s, with the index well into the 90s. Two months from now, daytime temperatures will be in the 90s, with the index over 100. All that garbage on the street is gonna stink to hell and back, all because the boy mayor didn't get his way.
Consider this your periodic reminder that if you live in Jackson, have the means to leave, and stayed anyway, you chose this. Best of luck.
Wonder if NOLA or Detroit got to the missing members. I known Kenneth is in Huston doing Hospice with his wife, but the others knew about this. Someone got to them.
https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/local/orleans/garbage-orleans-trash/289-8edd8063-a51a-42c5-95fe-2d8a7f97c7b3
"NEW ORLEANS — After months of trash complaints aimed at Richard's Disposal from residents in service areas 1 and 4, the city of New Orleans is making an effort to solve the problem.
City leaders met Monday with IV Waste and Waste Pro, they determined the two trash providers will begin picking up trash in those areas today...
Meanwhile, Richards is pulling crews from Baton Rouge and Jackson, Mississippi to address the backlog....
Alvin Richards, owner of Richards Disposal issued a statement late last night, in which he said, 'We've made substantial progress and expect to be current on all routes in the coming days and we look forward to working cooperatively with the city council, mayor and all of city government to address the market conditions and other circumstances that affect timely trash collection.'
However, he did not comment on the city's recent decision to bring in IV Waste and Waste Pro to cover some of the company's routes. The company has stated a lack of manpower as the reason why they have fallen behind on trash collection.
Right now, it's unclear how long the IV Waste and Waste Pro will be operating on Richards routes. The City of New Orleans has Richards under contract until March 2024, but that contract could be terminated if the city sees fit. City leaders do plan to meet with Richards today to work towards a solution."
Another reminder for the mayor why "cheapest" doesn't always equal "best"... but he should know this by now. At least Richard's should have some crews free up pretty soon to help fulfill their existing commitments!
Go to the Sysco web site. They offer home delivery on Rat Poison. Just a helpful hint.
Bumble must secretly own property in Madison. I’m up 20% during his tenure in Jackghanistan! I’m his biggest fan!
In the beginning of the meeting you could hear the little man's voice wavering as he realized his gambit had been foiled and his bluff hand called. What he wanted was another public disagreement, a showdown, where he thought his rhetoric and wordsmithing would make him appear as reasonable and leaderly.
Yes, Lumumba. We deserve to have our garbage picked up. Just as we deserve all the other city services that you have so miserably failed at delivering.
We deserve an actual Mayor instead of a petulant egotist who after six years in office is unable to reach the conclusion on his own that he simply can't do the job.
What we deserve most of all Lumumba is your immediate resignation. THAT we deserve.
I live in the city of Madison, and I don’t have a problem with the Jackson trash situation, unless there is wind blowing from south to north.
Note: If it was real simple, it would have been done by now.
3:39 people keep saying “the people” didn’t want the carts but that was never mentioned at any Town Hall about this issue I’ve been to.
Incredible chess move by the City Council members to not show up. Your turn, Antar.
@4:01 PM - my Madison the City home value has increased by $120,000 in two years. Win!
Thanks Chowke! You da man!
The Mayor is not suppose to have a dog in the hunt. What a crook.
Why was there no quorum? Seems like taxation without representation
The council wanted him to call a meeting. He did that. They didn't show up. But the mayor is somehow wrong?
If even ONE of the previous "no votes" had shown up, a quorum would have been met, a vote taken and the bogus contract would have passed 3-1.
Confrence of Lumumba and his cheerleaders.
5:01 PM
Minimum number of council members not there. If you had a rudimentary understanding of Roberts Rules of Order you'd know this.
Figures that only the Mayor’s reliable ass kissers showed up. Quite the power move by Banks and the rest.
Why was there no quorum? Seems like taxation without representation
How so? Be specific.
@4:42pm
"Town Halls" are political propaganda events, primarily in West Jackson. Many who attend are expecting free rolling 96 gallon monsters they will rent out as one bedroom units. Drill a hole in the bottom to add a bathroom.
@5:01pm
No quorum because the mayor wanted to flaunt his temper tantrum dicta. But the Council had asked the mayor to start an RFP months ago plus requested him to give Council minimum 24 hours to review a returned and scored RFP (or a bid on specific performance, which is more professional).
So they stayed away from his childish prank.
Lumumba is making a mistake by saying he won't declare another emergency for garbage collection because it allows Reeves and the State to do so in order to protect the public health.
4:42, The people spoke through their elected representatives on the city council.
Lumumba's gotta be shittin' green right about now, knowing his little scheme didn't come off.
If this meeting was a drinking game, and you had to drink every time someone lied, you'd die from alcohol poisoning.
Is that the "huddle up" we saw at 4th avenue back room?
Chowke's butt boys did show up for the meeting and right on cue are blaming the absent members instead of blaming his nibs (that's Chowke for you millennials).
Holy Crap... have you seen the real estate prices in Oxford??
Y'all keep voting this fraudster in office so quit your b!tching! You got what you wanted so enjoy the fruits of your election. Next time maybe more will get out to vote (& I don't mean those living in the cemetery)
So all this lip from Mayor right. Did he ever state what the CC had asked of him prior to his BIG media coverage? Nope, not once. They asked for RPS to have been started month b4 yesterday with the same process required under mandatory state laws. So there my friends is the true bottom line. Finger pointing once again with his 3 people also blaming the majority of CC who ARE following the LAW and what the citizens Want. Transparency done in an upfront, adult form and manner welcoming all members into a TRUE dialect & discussion. Your way or the Highway doesn’t fly. I don’t care how you sugar coat it a fact is a fact! Thank you to the true CC members who stand with the ❤️ of Mississippians! Go play with a different bag of marbles Chockwe!
Lil Choke thinks the press will blame the Council for trash and rats piled in the streets, he is determined to "trash" the city in all ways available to him whilst blaming others for his wastrel antics.
Playing “chicken.” Which of these two crap-ass cars is going to swerve first, the mayor or the council. My money is on the council going chicken.
So the mayor calls an emergency meeting and the folks who show up are his staff, two council members that he bought and 1 but kisser. Then he spins it as the others playing political games.
You gotta hand it to him.. he knows the art of war. Probably went to Trump academy.
At least two were out of town.
The mayor called the meeting. The city attorney informed the council he found some law that said he could call council meetings too.
You gotta hand it to him.. he knows the art of war.
Hardly. He tips his pitches.
So, had the other two showed up, boom. Passes. Ah, Jackson, don't ever change.
Grizzell with his quiet now tough guy act was comedic.
The council members will cave LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO.
He will get re-elected by 70% of the vote even if there is no running water and trash is piled as high as the Capitol building.
Will you all just stop with the political nonsense!
You are all either males flexing your muscles trying to " best" each other! Or,you are women who have very poor judgement in discerning if a male has actually done "due diligence" or is being "self-serving" or is too insecure to acknowledge he doesn't know everything about every subject for fear you won't trust him!
I want my trash picked up,damn it and y'all are nitpicking the terms base on ONLY politics and favortism between those who frankly don't deserve your high regard.
You are "nickel and diming it" without once thinking of the personal cost to those of us who don't want to be hauling our own garbage or letting it smell and accumulate! Or, understand that bad male human behavior means it'll be tossed wherever the male can most easily throw it ! Creeks and rivers and business dumpsters...any place that won't keep the male from prioritizing his " work"!
Worse, you show a total ignorance how other cities manage their waste!
All you know is which party or council people you like or don't like.
So, you whine and take your marbles and go home like little children!
This contract is not for f'ing forever. And, if you don't like it, then vote for new mayor and council when they are up for reelection or run your damn selves.
My plan is to take is roll a 96 gallon can to my council representative's front door and after that, put my bags on the street in front of his house! Fair warning, councilman, I don't live far from you and walk farther everyday day and rolling my grands in a wagon is harder than rolling my big ole full trash can!
I know with certainty that in every damn city in the nation, the 96 gallon SAVES money! I live in one of those cities when the decision was made and stayed made for 40 damn years! We were represented by sane people with normal sized egos who did their "homework" on issues before mouthing off in those days! They called it " doing a good job".
PUBLIC SERVICE IS NOT A SPORT,IT IS A JOB AND RESPONSIBILITY ! IF IT WERE A SPORT,WE ARE ELECTING COACHES WHO NEVER STUDIED THE GAME AND WOULD REFUSE TO ENTERTAIN A NEW OR DIFFERENT STRATEGY EVEN IF IT'D BE A BETTER ONE FOR THE TALENT THEY HAVE!
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You are right. They save money in OTHER cities.
Why?
Because they are used IN CONJUNCTION WITH automated pick up.
However, the Mayor chose not to go that route as he wants two hoppers on every truck. No automation. In other words, he wants to pad the payroll, thus defeating the purpose of having those monstrosities.
So the main reason you claim for having those carts does not exist.
and to follow up. It's really simple. All he has to do is submit a bid with the best score with no carts. It's that simple. It really is.
Granny Osteoporosis arrives with her daily rant.
Take a deep breath, 10:20.
There are females in the equation too. Chokwe's sister tells him what to do and Virgie is female.
Somebody forgot to factor in all the workers' comp claims and turnover costs resulting from attempting to MAN-handle 96-gallon carts full of all imaginable manner of refuse.
One question.
Why did the council vote no on the lowest price to begin with?
We have all seen the bids. Richards had the better price.
No credible explanation has been given by the council.
Why did the council vote no on the lowest price to begin with? ... No credible explanation has been given by the council.
Yes, a credible explanation has been provided. The citizens, through their elected representatives, have communicated that they desire a different mode of service. It isn't only about price. Lee, Grizzell and Lindsay are on the wrong side of the mode vis-a-vis their constituents.
Look at 11:58 showing out. Lowest price? Please point to the state law that says bids are awarded on lowest price.
We'll wait.
The term we use in reviewing bids is the "lowest and best (and most responsive) bid". Which means that the lowest bid may not always be the best choice, especially when comparing options. We can and have sometimes (rarely) selected the next lowest bid if we have determined that the lowest bid was not the best or most responsive.
Doesn't it boil down to the form of government we have in the municipal offices of our capital city?
I don't think the form of government is autocratic or that it allows a mayor to rule without consent and approval of the city council. At the end of the day, that's why a mayor-council form of government exists.
All the other jabber-wockey is horse-hockey.
Look at 11:58 showing out. Lowest price? Please point to the state law that says bids are awarded on lowest price.
We'll wait.
I never said there was a law. BUT. I'm a Jacksonian and i dont want to pay a higher price. The services are still twice a week pick up. Richards has done just as good a job as WM did.
But before you start throwing poo all over the place, The Mayor should have accepted his defeat with the very first vote.
11:58 AM
Since nobody answered you. RFPs aren't scored by price. They are "scored" on semi-subjective offers including price.
All of you pro-cart people need to carry your ass to my house in south Jackson and wrestle my humongous cart up and down my 80 yard gravel driveway, twice a week, uphill and downhill. It will have a LOT of trash in it.
And I'll expect you to replace the cart each time it gets stolen.
Dickheads. Most of us DON'T WANT THE FUCKING CARTS.
The winning bid for 2x/week service with no carts was WASTE MANAGEMENT. Richards LOST!! Richard's got run off from New Orleans for poor service, why do we want them here?
I don't know how much $$$ Richard's has promised Chowke but it must be a lot!!
There is a major distinction between bids and proposals... with bids, you basically always have to go with the lowest price unless the low bidder clearly can't perform the work at what they bid.
The whole point of doing an RFP and accepting proposals is that you don't have to go with the lowest price. You make up the scoring criteria and factor in price just as a component of that criteria. And it gives you the latitude to pick the best vendor, even if their price isn't the lowest. Because you are evaluating more things than just price alone, like qualifications, performance history, and technical approach.
These are basic concepts, but the mayor (and the news reporting on this) has continued to botch and jumble the terminology together.
One fun benefit of using proposals vs going with the lowest bid is that it allows a city to write an RFP and the evaluation factors in a way that "favors" a particular vendor. When you think about it - and if price really mattered most, as the mayor claims - there is no reason why the city couldn't have just accepted bids for garbage disposal. It's not some sort of nebulous technical concept that can't be reduced down to unit price rates. But they didn't, they went the RFP route yet were so incompetent that they weren't even able to do it right and give the work to the guys they wanted.
KF, sorry but Atlanta didn't have automated pick up in 1976 and it still saved money.
I had my doubts and heard these same objections then. Indeed, I've had a 96 gallon since WM first got the contract and have kept it.Richards has no problem emptying it.
I would also suggest that New Orleans problems may be a matter of personnel there as my service from Richards has been FAR superior to that of WM's.
WM did not pick up limbs with regularity and strew garbage every pickup.I've liked not having to pick up bits on the street in front of my house. The crew on my route is first rate.
8:06 pm, you are 100% correct.
But, it doesn't have to be that way...thank the legislature.
Indeed, we don't even get the best companies bidding at all in Mississippi on anything...the worst is highways and roads and bridges.
It's so bad, that someties the criteria is so substandard, a contrator won't risk their reputation. And, worse, there's not even inspections to see that the work is as required.
But, it does make excuses easier when things go badly or when either party needs to make the other party look bad.
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