Friday, April 16, 2021

WAPT: Firefighters Have NO Water to Fight Fire

Jackson firefighters stood around as they helplessly watched an apartment complex burn to the ground because there was no water in the fire hydrants.  WAPT's Ross Adams reported: 


 Update: JFD told Ms. Apel there was a problem hooking up the hoses. Apparently too many were connected to a fire hydrant. 

Kingfish note: Well, there was one thing they didn't try. 

 

53 comments:

Anonymous said...

Jackson is a third world country...

Anonymous said...

This is the kind of problem you don't think about until it happens. No water, no public safety services. Sad that people had to stand by and watch their homes burn. Bet the water pressure is just fine in Eastover.

Anonymous said...

Fire is racist

Anonymous said...

Where are Chowkey's bootlickers now? NOTHING works in Jackson.

Anonymous said...

More administrative process gaps. Firefighters obviously didn't receive and/or read the draft memo that firefighting on Fridays is optional and only best efforts.

Anonymous said...

Jackson's fire rating is BOGUS.

Anonymous said...

1:33 - People in Eastover are boiling their water like everyone else.

Watch the insurance premiums rise in all areas affected by the situation.

Anonymous said...

Yeah but they watched the fire with dignity and self-determination.
Free the Land!

Anonymous said...

And a triple homicide on the same day. So . . . Jackson.

Anonymous said...

What a complete failure as a city to provide the most basic of public services. By law, cities must provide public safety in the form of fire & police protection, along with street maintenance, water & sewer services & garbage collection. Jackson doesn't do any of those well.

Anonymous said...

@1:26 PM _- Sir, you are very wrong. Jackson is a 4th world country.

How are the property insurance rates doing in Jacktown? I saw a real estate ad for a very nice home in NE Jackson last week and it had a price drop of ....wait for it...$200,000! Can't give 'em away.

Paul Mitchell said...

I would like to know if the fire department has checked these hydrants recently or reported the lack of pressure at those hydrants.

Anonymous said...

Gumflapper, ready to horse trade yet? One airport in exchange for $ to fix your worthless water system.

Anonymous said...

Can any of the barristers who frequent this site say if there is a provision for the state to take over administration of a city?

Anonymous said...

Fire hydrants with no water is so on-brand for Jackson.

Sing it together Jacksonians:

"The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire!
We don't need no water, let the motherf-r burn!"

Anonymous said...

Yeah but they watched the fire with dignity and self-determination.
Free the Land!


Quote of the month!

Anonymous said...

Its the fault of the ice storm, causing a crisis. Along with white flight and the state not paying its water bills.

But hey, when they went to christen those new fire trucks, they didn't have water come out the hoses then - why should we be surprised now?

Anonymous said...

Sure glad that Ross keeps telling us that the apartment complex is "burning to the ground".

If he hadn't told us that repeatedly, I would have rushed out there to watch the complex burn to the sky!

The Big Payback said...

"Mayor Lumumba! An apartment building in West Jackson just burned to the ground because there's no water pressure!"

"Don't bother me with such trifles! I'm on my way to the M-Bar to discuss my five point plan to help them remain in business."

Anonymous said...

Poor people are so entertaining. Please stay in your northeast Jackson houses so the mean poors rob you and stay on their side of the line.

Anonymous said...

In the last 15 minutes of the video, Independent Mayoral candidate Charlotte Reeves shows up to make a statement and ask for a replacement wheel chair for a needy citizen affected by the fire.
At what point does the Honorable Mayor Chokwe Antar Lumumba hop off Maggie Wade's lap and demand equal time in front of a burning building to make his statement, right?

Anonymous said...

2:34 I'm not an attorney, but I’m also not aware of any specific language in the State Constitution that allows the State to make an administrative takeover of Jackson like what happened in Detroit. However, since Mississippi is a Dillon’s Rule state, Jackson and all other towns and cities in Mississippi can exist only because they derive their powers and rights wholly from the Legislature, I imagine (as a thought experiment) the State could simply vote to dissolve Jackson’s government and then designate some commission to run it until such time as a new charter is adopted and the city is re-incorporated.

Now as a practical matter that will NEVER happen. Because if it did, not only would it face a legal challenge from the City (like the airport) every black civil rights activist from Reverend Al to Derrick Johnson would be parachuting onto Hawkins Field the next day ready to go to war over the majority-white Republican State government’s racist takeover of Chokweed’s radical majority-black Democrat city, with every liberal news outlet camped out down here with 24/7 reporting how we are all racist and backwards still stuck in 1950.

Water Boy said...

1. There is no such thing as a 'fire hydrant'. Fire doesn't come out of a hydrant. It's a water hydrant.

2. There is never water 'in a fire hydrant'. A fire plug is merely a valve.

Anonymous said...

Wouldn’t have made a difference anyway.

Anonymous said...

We don’t have this problem in Flowood.

Anonymous said...

The next thing you will see is the Fire Rating for the City of Jackson going up from a Class #3. Everyone's property insurance rates will increase

Anonymous said...

One thing that is certain from the events of the past couple of months in Jackson, MS, is the fact that Chokwe will forevermore be known as Boo Boo Lumumba.

Anonymous said...

Well, at least 3:22 came along to get us re-focused on what is really important here.

Anonymous said...

WLBT: Capital City businesses go without water for almost a week

Anonymous said...

Dry or non-functional hydrants? Wake up people, that is a very big deal.

Anonymous said...

It is the state of Mississippi fault for using up all the water in their office buildings.

Anonymous said...

There is only so much water that you can get out of a hydrant. That will be different for every hydrant, but they will be generally the same in the same area. it has to do with the water lines underground and not The hydrant itself. The Chief on scene should know this and should monitor how the water supply is evolved. Tying too many lines to a hydrant is a rookie mistake, but it looks like it was made by a Chief Officer.

Anonymous said...

The state needs to help with this water shortage by implementing the following rules for state office building restrooms:

"If it's yellow, let it mellow. If it's brown, flush it down."

Enforcing this rule in state offices might help. Who knows?

Anonymous said...

Honest question. With the inability of the city to provide much of anything to its citizens, couldn’t Eastover get released from being considered part of Jackson and incorporate itself as a city.

Anonymous said...

You can put fire out with sand. They should switch to sand trucks

Anonymous said...

At this point the naked incompetence of the leadership is indisputable. And it is far too late to turn it around. And now the problems of Jackson will spread out of control just like when the ghost containment was shut down in Ghostbusters

Anonymous said...

It's called a damn fire hydrant.

How many dogs would even consider hiking their hind leg and pissing on a water hydrant.






Anonymous said...

I’m not a fireman, and have never played one on TV, but if I were, I would have driven the truck to a hydrant on a different line for a fill-up (one truck at a time of course). I know the trucks only hold so many gallons, but isn’t something better than nothing?

Anonymous said...

This may be the most demoralizing spectacle that I have ever witnessed. How much more will you tolerate Jackson, before you do something about the tragic condition of your city? Where are the Feds?

Anonymous said...

Not a word said on here about the poor folks (bless them) who lost their apartments and belongings. You people are pathetic.

Anonymous said...

@7:51 Honest answer: To even suggest such a thing publicly would unleash the very hounds of hell all howling "RACISM" and "WHITE SUPREMACY" and "Secession" in a unified chorus. There would be weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth. Donna and Todd would not approve.

A suburb of Baton Rouge is trying to do this for reasons caused by conditions similar to those in Jackson. As you might imagine, there's a big ole lawsuit over it and much of it centers around the racial demographics of those trying to leave and those who would be left. I haven't read anything on it recently, so it may have been resolved.

https://www.the74million.org/with-a-wealthy-mostly-white-suburbs-vote-to-withdraw-east-baton-rouge-schools-a-step-closer-to-fourth-school-secession/

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/10/14/1892401/-Louisiana-suburb-votes-to-form-its-own-city-and-a-mostly-white-school-district

Anonymous said...

6:54, this post is all about the people that lost their apartment. The city of Jackson and its incompetent administration are largely responsible for the fire not being able to be extinguished. They didn’t start the fire, but gross negligence allowed the fire to continue and these folks to lose everything. It is an absolute shame and those in charge don’t seem to care. At this point, living in Jackson is dangerous due to crime, water that isn’t sanitary, and now lack of protection if there should be a fire. If we had a white mayor, Jesse and Al would be marching.

Where's the Bucket Brigade? said...

Retired fire chief from another state here. Knowing that there are ongoing water source problems, any fire executive should know to plan for this by obtaining water tenders as a mobile water source.

For JPS alumni, water tenders are water trucks used by the fire service, and typically hold 5,000 or more gallons of water.

Third world city.

Anonymous said...

6:31 - As I told you, a hydrant is only a valve. Turn the square one way with a wrench and the valve allows the passage of pressurized water. Turn it the other way, and the flow stops. Otherwise, the hydrant serves no purpose and has no utility. Just like the head that allows you to wash dishes in the sink.

Can't blame it on the hydrant. Boo Boo Chok is scrambling to find out if the hydrant was designed by Siemens.

Anonymous said...

@6:54 AM
Not pathetic. Most people have insurance for this very situation. Renters insurance is $18 a month when bundled with auto insurance.

Anonymous said...

what this FB video shows is what an absolute idiot Ross Adams is.

He tried to 'report' for an hour over the inadequacies of the situation, but as time went on his absolute ignorance came through.

"Did the fire hydrants run out of water?" might have been the most stupid statement he made. (Does he not understand that fire plugs, hydrants, are connected to a main water line - just like the faucet at his lavatory is connected - or did he think those things sticking up every few blocks called "fire hydrants" were a storage container for water?)

He stated that he wasn't a trained fire fighter and didn't want to second guess their actions, but he had already done so numerous times - wondering on air as to why the ladder truck was spraying water in the particular locations. (maybe they didn't want the two automobiles' gas tanks to explode. Maybe??)

While the ladder truck was emptying 500 gallons per minute (something we learned multiple times after the AFC explained the case to Ross) he continued to question that the 'fire was not under control - see its still burning over here' when in fact that fire was totally under control. Yes, it was still burning. A house with a fireplace has fires burning, but under control. Camping trips have fires - with flames burning, but under control.

Firefighter wannabe Adams questioned several times why the ladder truck was spraying water in one area, while flames were still showing in others - and claiming that the 'fire was not under control'. And - one of the best - the apartment complex was 'burning to the ground'. (Hell - where else could it be burning to? the sky?)

His thoughts that there was a 'finite amount of water in the hydrants' spoke to his absolute ignorance more than anything. Yes - depending on the size of the water main serving the area there was only x amount of water per second available - but unless the state had quite paying its water/sewer bill so that the entire water system of the city had stopped working -- there was continuous water coming through those "fire hydrants". Only so much per second, but not a finite amount of water available.

Thanks Ross. Appreciate your insightful reporting.

Anonymous said...

I am by far not an apologist for the city of Jackson, or for its leadership. But this was not a failure on the part of the water system. If any of the folks commenting here would follow the video to the end when the assistant fire chief was on camera (behind a mask, making it hard to understand - and with the dumbass reporter trying to figure out what he was saying) there was plenty of water pressure available from the city's water system. And one can see that from the ladder truck that sprayed 500 gallons per minute on the fire for over an hour.

The problem was that JFD screwed up - trying to hook up multiple trucks and equipment to the lines at once without coordinating the process. I (like the wonderful reporter said) am not a firefighter and don't want to second guess (although the reporter constantly second guessed the firemen while saying he wouldn't) but from what the assistant chief said toward the end of the report was that the firemen tried to suck water out of multiple places (hydrants) at the same time without coordination.

This appears to be much more an absolute ignorant reporting process rather than a failure of the system - if not please tell me how that ladder truck could spray that much water for that long a period of time if there was no water pressure in the area. Or if they needed to bring in water from other areas.

The mistake clearly was a screwup on the part of the folks who got there first. Granted - another failure on the part of the city, just a different failure than most are pointing to.

Anonymous said...

Didnt the Jackson Fire Dept's $50 gunshow shakedown fee fix this?

Anonymous said...

10:01 - You're not serious.

Anonymous said...

we take so many things for granted. Nor anymore. But I guarantee you If Kane Ditto had known and covered up EPA report for a year. The Media would have circled city hall demanding resignation.. No one still has told the Clarion Ledger about the problem. (from now on the Clueless Ledger)

And it is not racist to criticize black leadership. There are bad white mayors bad black mayors bad brown mayors. We just have a guy totally in over his head and listening to the wrong people.

Anonymous said...

@1:33
I am as serious as a stroke. When I was a renter I carried renters’ insurance to cover my possessions. But lets be honest. Most of the property in those apartments actually belonged to Aarons or Rent-A-Center.

Anonymous said...

There is truth to what the assistant chief says, but it does t explain the delays or why none of the other responding units chose to catch a different main and relay pump to the scene. That’s why each truck has around 1000 feet of supply hose. The whole drafting from a pond comment was a bad comparison.

Anonymous said...

When this is over these tenants won’t need anymore apartments in Jackson. Morgan and Morgan where are you!

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