Friday, January 17, 2020

Water is Wet

Jackson Ward 3 City Councilman Kenneth Stokes raised hell about the management of the Pearl River as the river rises at a press conference at City Hall.


59 comments:

Anonymous said...

He kinda asks a reasonably good question. Why is all the flooding only below Spillway? Is there any flooding near the luxury homes on the reservoir (north side of spillway)?

Anonymous said...

I would think suing whomever made it rain too much would be more appropriate.

Anonymous said...

Would have been a lot worse if they had not lowered the level 2 feet in December.

Anonymous said...

If the homes north of the spillway start flooding, then the dam/spillway would be in serious danger of overflowing.

Anonymous said...

He kinda asks a reasonably good question.

That you think so demonstrates that you wouldn't know.

Anonymous said...

So, let's flood all the folks downriver to protect the elites living on the water above the dam? Have they ever given briefs to the council before? Do they have sole authority to raise/lower limits without local municipal input or notice? PRVWSD should have to appear before the cameras at the council.

Anonymous said...

@9:19

It's not about flooding any houses north of the spillway (dam), it's about having to release enough water to keep the water from overtopping the dam. If you think flooding in Jackson is bad now (or in the past) just let the dam be breached.

Anonymous said...

His district can also help with the flooding they are experiencing by cleaning out the trash and cleaning up the vegetation in the ditches and waterways. I am not sure that what is talking about is 100% connected to the Pearl River.

Anonymous said...

9:19, because retaining the additional water above the spillway would cause too much pressure and would result in a catastrophic failure.

Anonymous said...

Just say it, water is racist.

Anonymous said...

Claiming mismanagement and proving mismanagement are two entirely different worlds, Mr. Stokes. We all know that the flooding is actually caused by the Chinese with their huge carbon footprint and the Brazilians clear-cutting the Amazon.

Anonymous said...

Since Kenny is a high-powered lawyer in his own right, he shouldn't have much trouble proving his case in a court of law. I would get some popcorn ready for the trial but the case won't last long enough before getting thrown out to get thru the first bag!

Anonymous said...

A catastrophic dam break and flood in Jackson would improve the city. Drown a lot of worthless hood rats and cockroaches.

Anonymous said...

When the dam was originally built, dynamite was supposedly placed in one section of the dam. It was designed so that the dam would blow up if the water level reached a certain level. The 1979 flood came close to that level but did not reach it. My question is whether the dynamite is still in place.

Anonymous said...

All one has to do is to observe all the trash and debris in the rising water to realize that our drainage ditches are full of that stuff and will not carry the excess water away in a timely fashion.
Any competent city administration would be prioritizing the efficiency of the drainage system in flood prone areas like ours have always been.

Anonymous said...

When is the One Lake project going to be underway?

Anonymous said...

919 - surely you jest! Or are you really as stupid as Stokes?

If the water was not released out of the spillway - which of course is the purpose of any spillway on any dam - the water would rise and either (1) over top the dam and flow into the Pearl, which would happen before any of those homes were innundated, or (2) cause too much pressure on the dam and cause it to breach before it over topped - resulting in a,massive, catastrophic problem for everything downstream of the dam from JaCason and Flood to Columbia.

Of course, along with #1 above, the overtopping of the dam, would come a breach of the dam as described in #2.

As has been said, either or both would happen before any of those homes,north of the dam saw any water.

But, thanks for the early morning giggles - it was good to be able to double down after hearing Kenny's normal racist stupidity.

Anonymous said...

Dam, these are some great comments.

Anonymous said...

Who would ever think that paving over most of the ground, throwing trash in the streets and drains, and building in a flood prone area would result in flooding? There has to be someone to blame. Probably those white people leaving Jackson caused it.

Anonymous said...

Everything around here could be better managed including the City of Jackson. All of Kenny's premises are based on the sorry belief that the majority of Jackson residents control nothing and that all the problems they experience are really someone else's fault. If he has no answers and no money, blame the rich folks up north. We ain't responsible for nothing. Continue to accomplish nothing.

Anonymous said...

@10:09...if you or anyone else passes Hanging Moss Creek at Ridgewood Road today (near Old Canton intersection), take a look over to the east side of the road and get a load of all the trash, limbs, debris, etc. jammed up against the side of the bridge. Nasty nasty.

Anonymous said...

how long has he been in office? what meaningful has he done in the past to promote and support flood control measures? Where was he to stand up for the 2 lakes plan (or even one lake) and the flood control benefit, economic benefit, etc...? What has he done other than make noise and get in the way of anything positive that could occur in this city? Finally, at what point is he called out for being a inciteful, do-nothing blabber mouth racist?

Anonymous said...

A perfect example of why sovereign immunity exists. During high water, every decision is a Catch-22. Past lawsuits have been filed by both upstream and downstream landowners for a water release decisions by the PRVWD.

Similar to this comment, Mr. Stokes, in his wisdom, has also said he would have supported the two lakes plan so long as it didn't provide any economic benefit to the Rankin County bank of the river.

Anonymous said...

calling it mis-management.......what efforts has he lead w/in the city of Jackson to require new commercial developments to have water management structure on their properties to control the dis-charge from roofs and parking into our creeks. Mis-Management!! At what point will the city of Jackson accept the fact that these creeks and drainage avenues, and our storm sewer are THEIRS to manage and maintain??? Look in the mirror big boy, after way too many years of you and others like you being in office, the ills of this city are rearing up, and for us lowly citizens, we can only hope that the lack of city leadership being good stewards of this city will now start getting the media attention it deserves, and every single one of y'all start getting called out for fleecing this city and not doing your job!!

Anonymous said...

I agree with Kenny. All those rich white people on the reservoir need to pay to fix these creeks, these streets, and the houses and businesses getting flooded to protect the boat houses and back yards of the folks that live above the dam.

Here Come Pigmeat said...

I thought he were on sabbatical. Must have attended a law seminar. Got that courtroom body-language down.

Anonymous said...

You folks need to understand just what would happen if the Ross Barnett reservoir dam failed. To put is in simple terms that even some of you could comprehend, Jackson would be flushed down the Pearl River like a giant toilet, but that is about what it has become anyway.

As to the commentary of the honorable(?) Mr. Stokes, you can’t fix stupid! Here’s your sign Kennuf!

Anonymous said...

@10:04

I've heard the dynamite rumor since I was a kid and the dam was being built. It was especially rampant during 1979. I think it is patently false. Any dynamite in the ground for such an extended period of time would be rendered useless by moisture. That being said there is any emergency spillway on the Rankin County side of the dam. It is near Shaggy's/Rankin boat launch. When driving by you will notice an area that is at a much lower elevation than the rest of the dam. If the water was to get too high it would overflow at this area first. My assumption is this would only happen if more water was entering the reservoir upstream than the spillway gates could release if they were fully opened. In 1979 the fear was that water was going to overtop the emergency spillway and lead to a dam failure. I don't know if that was ever a possibility but I'm sure glad we didn't find out. I lived on Parkway Dr. at the time and mine was the first house that did not flood. Everything east of me had anywhere from one foot of water to well over 12 feet in them. I saw and did things that I never want to experience again. I remember how often and severe flooding was in Hinds and Rankin counties before the Ross Barnett Reservoir was built. It was never designed to be a flood control structure, but to guarantee an uninterrupted source for Jackson's drinking water. Before it was built there were times that the Pearl River would get so low during the summer months that the water plant was not able to intake enough water to serve Jackson. Forward thinking folks knew something had to be done to make sure Jackson had an available water supply year round, thus RBR was built. Maybe Kennuf should do some research and maybe learn why Jackson depends on the Rez and then reconsider his lawsuit. Then again, come August the PRVWSD could just close the gates completely and guarantee no flooding (or drinking water) in Jackson.

Anonymous said...

There is a blow plug in the levee east of the spillway. If the water in the Res gets too high, it blows. Hence the need to release water via the spillway.

Anonymous said...

I'm a fan of Kenny Stokes. The fact that this man has any power and that people actually pay attention to him amuses me to no end.

Anonymous said...

@10:04 My dad worked during the construction of the reservoir back in the 1960's during summers....he told me there's blast holes drilled in the gravelly section of the dam across from the old Rapids location. I would assume those are still there in case of emergency, but I doubt they'd actually keep dynamite *IN* the dam.

Anonymous said...

The dynamite thing is an urban legend. There is an emergency spillway "washout" on the Rankin side of Spillway Road, right next to Shaggy's. It's not loaded with dynamite. It just provides for a natural release for water once it reaches a certain level. The PRVWSD, working in conjunction with the Corps of Engineers, managed the water level of the Reservoir to come within three inches of toppling the emergency spillway during the '79 flood.

Anonymous said...

Certain Jackson "leaders" have been fighting the "Two Lakes" flood control project for years because somebody might profit from it. Look in the mirror councilman.

Anonymous said...

Ah, yes, the quaint expression "too dumb to pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel" comes to mind.

Pepperidge Farm remembers ;-)

Anonymous said...

Give Kushville full control of the Rez, same as the airport. Tater can make it happen, then the Baptist Brigade down at MDAC can move the fairgrounds to Rankin County.

Cynical Sam said...

If only Kennef would take a business junket to a Paris flood convention, this would soon be...wait for it...water under the bridge.

Proposes a Solution, Not Bitching said...

Since the proposed third Madison County landfill idea has been shit-canned, is there any chance downtown Jackson can be considered as a waste venue? Asking for a developer.

Anonymous said...

2 lakes would not have done a dam thing this week. We just had to much rain. All you can do is keep the reservoir at a lower level in the Winter and anticipate the rain coming and open the gates to draw down and prepare. It's been managed much better since the 79 flood. Look at the Delta, the Ms River is to high due to rain in Arkansas, Missouri, Wisconsin etc. and the Steel Bayou gates are closed. Better hope for 2 months of no rain or we will be flooded all Spring again.

Anonymous said...

reference the 1889 Johnstown Flood for information on a dam failure.

Anonymous said...

Why is Stokes allowed to stand in front of a television camera and speak into a microphone? Obviously, this is to provide entertainment for viewers of the Jackson news stations.

Anonymous said...

Matthew 5:45 Father which is in heaven: for he maketh. his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

The flooding in LeubombbaJacktown HASnothing to do with the Ross Barrnet
reservoir! The AMOUNT of rain that occurred is what caused the flooding in the low areas of Jacktown. I live in the low area & got me some free sand & sandbags a made me a ring around my adobe. I'm high & dry. All my neighbors laughed at me. Who has the last laugh NOW.

Anonymous said...

Why is there no talk of a flood control dam north of the reservoir?

Anonymous said...

Hey Kenneth! That’s what it’s suppose to do!

Anonymous said...

@12:13PM

Hell you dont even have to go that far back. See the Oroville Dam failure in 2018.

Anonymous said...

Why is there no talk of a flood control dam north of the reservoir?

Because it would costs lots of money. We ain't got no money. We just got Kennuf.

Anonymous said...

Suspect the dynamite in the dam urban legend is related to the safety valve feature being referred to as a “blow out” dam. Some folks took that to mean explosives were there instead of it being intended as the planned weakest point of the system designed to save the rest in case of catastrophic failure.

Anonymous said...

1:04. 12:13 again. Wanted to clarify why that one in particular..

The South Fork dam collapsed because the water couldn’t flow down filled in spillways. (what Kenneth wants to do-keep the water in the dam..)

It released a wall of water that killed 2200 people or so. While we
don’t have the same topography as that area, the resulting flood would likely spread out to low lying areas that border the Pearl River- like Pearl...


And the dam was modified by a club that wealthy Pittsburgh steel barons were members of..and it flooded the “common folk” of the town...(also similar to Kenneths argument...).


Anonymous said...

Wake up Stokes! Dam! This press conference would be a hit on SNL.

Anonymous said...

Stokes either believes what he says, which means he’s an idiot, or he doesn’t believe what he says and says them for other reasons, which means he’s a lot of things worse than an idiot. I suspect he makes these crazy arguments knowing that no reasonable person will follow up on them, which frees him of responsibility for actually backing them up, while at the same time hitting all of the emotional buttons of the people who keep giving him whatever power he has.

Anonymous said...

Just wait until Kenny starts blaming stuff on the climate change hoax.

Anonymous said...

@2:37

Stokes is no idiot. He knows exactly what he's doing each and every time he gets his mug in front of TV cameras. He's stirring up his voters against the "white man" and making sure they will never vote for anyone other than him. Hell, he'll probably get re-elected after he has died. They eat up this kind of talk. He knows what to feed them. Have you ever noticed Kennuf only speaks when TV news cameras are present? Newspaper photos won't do. He has to have live action.

Anonymous said...

10:48 AM is correct.
10:59 AM is correct.

Even during the 1979 flood, there was never any explosives buried into the dam.
Gawd. . . the masses are so gullible.

Of course the engineers included emergency elements in the design for worst case scenarios.
And yes, that part of the overflow plan is about where Shaggy's is located.

But the funny thing about Stokes . . . less than hour latter . . . he was not concerned.

He was ham'ing it up at "his" MLK banquet, (distributing fancy plaques) to insignificant people within "Da Community".

Come to think of it, blowing the dam at the Ross Barnett Reservoir might not be a bad idea.

Flushing the toilet bowl ( AKA Jackson) might have many health benefits for the rest of the state.

Only thinking out loud.





Anonymous said...

My IQ has dropped significantly after listening to Stokes and reading the comments.

Anonymous said...

Stokes should instead be very grateful to the Giant Salvinia species.

Anonymous said...

I think Kennuf should do his own hydrologic calculations for the Pearl River watershed then sit down with the PRVWSD and compare his to theirs and then point out specifically where theirs are wrong.

Anonymous said...

6:32, Have you considered the possibility that maybe it didn’t start out as high as you thought?

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Surveyor1 said...

Ummm...wut!

The Unsilent Majority said...

@ 9:45am, Water is racist. I doubled over laughing at that!

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