Questioning shutdowns will apparently earn a shutdown. Watch what happens when someone attempts to debate restaurant shutdowns this morning.
What took place was disgusting to watch. Santelli was asking reasonable questions and there is certainly a reasonable debate that can be held over shutdowns. Reasonable. Apparently such a word escape's Sorkin's vocabulary as pretty boy immediately shut down Santelli. This exchange is a perfect example of why the media is in such disfavor and conspiracy theories abound. Quite a few doctors and authorities such as the National Bureau of Economic Research have asked the same questions. Shutting down such reasonable debate simply gives more ammunition to the kooks.
Kingfish note: Once upon a time, a smug punk such as Sorkin would've been tarred and feathered. Unfortunately, those days have passed.
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All hail Science the new Religion.
If he was more under control and not screaming wildly, other people may have taken the “question” more seriously. So many people today think being the loudest makes you the most correct.
From experience, I can say the only people that fear open debate are thieves and liars.
Kingfish, you said "someone attempts to debate restaurant shutdowns this morning"
That's not a debate, that's a toddler having a full on meltdown. The best way to handle a toddler like that is to ignore it until they whine themselves out. I'm guessing you don't have kids?
“All hail Science the new Religion.”
At least when you can distort the “science” to support your politics. Science is good stuff, but too often today, as alluded to in the quote, imperfect, incomplete, and distorted data are used as a weapon for political purposes, as we have seen with the COVID pandemic.
God help us even more if something more potentially deadly than COVID comes along. The pussies in control the media and many governments both here and abroad would put us back into the Stone Age.
Five buck$ says Mr. Sorkin will enjoy some fine dining somewhere this weekend.
If a libtard dem media "star" says it's "the science," we have to accept it as fact, or the Stasi/SS/Gestapo/Deep-State FBI will pay us a visit.
It's the new normal. Lock and load.
All white males need to sit down and shut up. I am sick of hearing your asinine and arrogant opinions. You are the most if selfish and ignorant demographic on the planet.
Why is the guy on the right so angry and why does he keep talking over the guy on the left?
I dislike all of them equally.
They are both acting like toddlers.
24 hour news networks ruined the credibility of news media--gotta to keep up ratings at all costs. who cares about the pursuit of truth anymore as long as we can get ad revenue...
Let's face it. People in this country are going to do what they want. Underage drinking. Pot. Speeding. Not wearing a mask or wearing a mask. Eating in a restaurant. Cheating on taxes. Cheating on spouses.
Why has it come to arguing over shopping and dining? There's far more to life than shopping and dining out.
Science is definitely the new religion of the sneering more-educated-than-thou class. It is infallible, inerrant, and those who disagree are heretics.
Most people do not have the experience or education to understand it deeply, and no one can possibly understand it all, so scientist are the new priestly caste. Just like in the day when the scriptures were in Latin and laymen had to turn to priests to interpret the writings, so are today's scientists venerated as all knowing.
You need not even be a real scientist. You can have a 40-year-old engineering degree, have worked at Boeing making training videos over a quarter century ago, spent a few years as a TV clown explaining dinosaurs and gravity to 8-year-olds, and dance around in a goofy bow tie and call yourself a Science Guy and the media will accord you expertise on subjects as far ranging as religion, poverty, and climatology.
As long as you're saying what they want you to say...
Really wish that we could have heard the explanation about big box stores being safe but restaurants cause concern about viewers' health and safety. That would have been interesting and cool to be let in on one of the great mysteries.
Santelli is usually working from the floor of the Merc and it's pretty noisy. I wonder if that might have something to do with it.
@3:43, too bad for you. Consider moving into Jackson.
The explanation: US health officials have made clear that indoor spaces, and restaurants in particular, are high-risk areas for spreading the virus. Restaurants are uniquely risky because eating and drinking requires diners to remove their masks and meals often take an hour or so of exposure time. Big-box stores are fundamentally different, as shoppers are often required to keep their masks on and are moving through large, well-ventilated spaces, often for shorter periods of time.
Now, in contrast, in confined spaces like Airplanes, they've found out that the very well ventilated cabin, with air cycling rapidly through HEPA filters, is pretty safe, but you are sitting close to some people. So, if one of them is spewing right near you and for hours, you've got some exposure. But, if those closest to you are not sick, you'd have to stay about 54 hours on the plane to get sick on average. So, airplane cabin safer, big box fairly safe, restaurants and bars not so safe.
Close the bars and indoor restaurants and keep the schools open, which I would have argued against months ago. I won't fly unnecessarily, but more about the security lines and terminals than the plane. Even barber shops where the barbers wore MASKS turned out to be less of an issue. But the bar and restaurant thing is NOT turning out so great, at least where folks are consuming (and some drinkers are overconsuming, perhaps).
The data is pretty clear now.
It's viral load and duration and proximity, as well as your vulnerability. It's not hard to figure out.
Santelli's an idiot. He's the one who urged folks to get "Deliberately Exposed" in March, "for the economy." Even he self described it later as the stupidest thing to ever say.
Debate is one thing. Shouting crap like Santelli is NOT "debate." And Sorkin's snotty attitude is not, either. Grow up, gents.
No news here, just entertainment... shitty entertainment at that.
@4:05 - I’m not a doctor or scientist, but my personal opinion is it would be safer because wearing a mask and moving around in a retail store would cause less exposure to a viral load that is concentrated in a particular location. Obviously it would be best to have a controlled study, but until that happens I’m proceeding with the more cautious approach.
Marijuanna is more dangerous to young healthy people than covid19.
5:08 ding ding ding. When news was 30 minutes a day, it was worth watching. When it went to 24 hours per day, it became an entertainment battle.
This is not 'Science" it's pseudoscience put forth to control people. You should read a real scientific study from Denmark, google it the Masters of the Universe haven't outlawed it already, and see that masks make a statistically insignificant difference in infection rates. Of course, it will be disputed by the "fact checkers" who have no actual facts, just the falsehoods they want to put forth. The sad fact is, you Stupid F*^&% progressives will become the indentured servants to the State you deserve to be when Commie Harris is president, only, your stupidity will drag all the rest of us down with you like a drowning man.
I watched a video of one man screaming at another man and then read KF defend the screamer. What a warped world view.
It’s embarrassing Sorkin is allowed on TV. He is the most self righteous/ know it all / I’m better than you prick you could pick out of Manhattan. Just because he used to work the Deals beat at WSJ he thinks he’s God’s gift to finance. He’s a bitch and a hack. That said, Kernen is almost as pompous and Santelli is the smartest of the bunch when he can control his temper.
The above anti-science comments are just another reason our country stopped being great.
To quote Sleepy Joe Biden, "It's science, man!"
8:29--the study that was featured in the "Daily Mail UK"? Too bad that study has been discredited by actual scientists..
You should read the one done by the Univ of Colorado and the Univ of Maryland. Ya know, USA!
Canada COVID numbers: 403,000
United States COVID numbers: 217,000
The Canadian number is since March. The U.S. number is yesterday.
Mexico, (our sh*thole country to the south) only had 11,000 new cases yesterday.
Vietnam (population 95 million), after a relatively large spike in new cases, reported 22 new cases for all of last week. They've had no deaths in the month.
There's a very, very long list of countries that have successfully controlled spread of the virus. The information is freely available. I know many of you chalk this up to mind control rays and lizard people and you're too far down the rabbit hole to reason with, but for the rest of you: How do you think these countries have done it? Why aren't we doing it here?
Really?
Who was telling who to shut up? Who was telling the audience to ignore the other person?
Rick screams over all of them. And he’s wrong.
Drunks at a bar are less safe than ppl in masks getting groceries.
Simple
@6:31 AM, CCP?
Science illiterates and Covid deniers are free to do whatever they want. Why anyone wastes time watching 99% of what's on TV is beyond me.
Why would anyone watch anything with nbc in the name? The guy on the left needs to lay off the soy.
Everybody losing theur shit over a flu. Even over 70s have a 96% survival rate.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
Dec 4 at 5:02 explained it pretty clearly and wrote, "It's viral load and duration and proximity, as well as your vulnerability. It's not hard to figure out."
Anyone who uses their own life experience (or common sense if they have any) also knows about this basic concept from things like colds and "the flu."
Also, the preoccupation of some/many with the death rate or anecdotal cases with minimal apparent effects is misplaced. It is the cumulative effects on the population, including long-term health effects and medical resources being over-stressed. Someone who has had COVID-19 with minimal effects 4 months ago may be seriously injured in car accident next month or may have a parent, sibling, or child have a serious non-COVID-related situation, but with the medical staff and facilities at hospitals overburdened, the care will be affected.
It would be a point of reasonable debate if those who chose to "live their lives," not wear masks, not distance, etc. could do so without any ripple effects whatsoever, but it just doesn't work that way in the real world. The damnedest thing is that complete shutdowns would not be necessary if everyone did those few simple things. But because so many have refused to do so, there is high probability that things will get worse and even more severe restrictions will become necessary. Your refusal to do those things when asked could and likely will ultimately result in your being forced to do so, with criminal sanctions for refusing. If it progresses to where it appears it will, it wouldn't be surprising to see major retailers follow the lead of airlines and issuing long or lifetime bans via trespass warnings to those that refuse to follow laws and company rules. And a Walmart ban, even for a few months, would not be fun for many folks.
So 5:02, among other things, you wrote (my comments are in parenthesis): Now, in contrast, in confined spaces like Airplanes, they've found out that the very well ventilated cabin, with air cycling rapidly through HEPA filters (HEPA filters have been clearly shown to have little to no effect on this corona virus. It's simply too small for the filter to capture), is pretty safe, but you are sitting close to some people. So, if one of them is spewing right near you and for hours, you've got some exposure. But, if those closest to you are not sick, you'd have to stay about 54 hours on the plane to get sick on average (So, someone who is not sick can still make you sick, provided you're exposed to them for 54 hours?. How exactly does that work?) So, airplane cabin safer, big box fairly safe, restaurants and bars not so safe. (Nope)
December 5, 2020 at 11:39 AM
Ain't going to be any "criminal sanctions" in Mississippi.
Take your egomaniac power trip and shove it.
December 5, 2020 at 3:00 PM wrote, "(my comments are in parenthesis)" and "(HEPA filters have been clearly shown to have little to no effect on this corona virus. It's simply too small for the filter to capture)"
Where do you people get this completely wrong information? That is not correct and is the exact opposite of what has been found. HEPA filters do in fact "catch" both "this" coronavirus (as well as others) and particles to which the virus might be attached.
A tabletop el cheapo consumer "air purifier" (even with a true HEPA filter) would not be sufficient to filter the air in an aircraft or large public space but an appropriately-sized system (look up "CADR") will reduce SARS-CoV-2 in the filtered air and reduce the potential for COVID-19 transmission in that space.
"How are those numbers working out for you, Rick?"
What a smug comment. Send that commentator home, please. Just because the numbers are high doesn't mean that Rick is wrong.
"Ain't going to be any 'criminal sanctions' in Mississippi.
Take your egomaniac power trip and shove it."
https://www.wlbt.com/2020/12/04/tempers-flare-after-miss-police-dept-writes-frank-post-about-enforcing-reeves-virus-mandate/
If this goes where appears to be going, look for similar in larger areas. Public health aside, wait until many jurisdictions start realizing the potential for feeding the coffers via the fines. I'm sure Mayor McChoppedsteak would just hate to take money from rich white folks for endangering public health by ignoring the mandate their own Guv put in place.
Highlighting Aberdeen exposes that @10:19 PM is either clueless or not from Mississippi or both. LOL
If you cane argue say racist or follow the science and The Media says you win. Sad day for debate in this county
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