Friday, July 20, 2012

Never let a good.......

And the JFP just can not wait to take a shot at gun owners after the massacre in Colorado. Here is an editorial written by an intern who is from Aurora:

"Already this act of violence has sparked up the gun debate yet again. Getting a gun is fairly easy in Colorado; it's easy to get a gun most anywhere in America today. Everything about our culture seems centered on war and guns. Gun proponents say we need more guns to protect ourselves, but would more people with guns have changed what happened last night?

#The massacre would have likely turned into a massive shootout, with even more dead and injured, because gun owners aren't some sort of heroes. We have a romanticized image of a citizen with a gun saving the day and ending the violence by taking out a criminal by surprise. But in a real firefight, your average Joe is not going to be able to keep his cool. There's a reason it takes extensive training for our police and soldiers to do what they do; there's a reason we trust them with our fighting, and there's a reason shootings like this happen so often in America.

#James Holmes, if he is truly the gunman, was a deeply troubled individual. He is obviously mentally ill and should never have been able to obtain a handgun, let alone an assault rifle and explosives. The ease at which this man was able to obtain all the weaponry he needed for a massacre is unprecedented, and the fact that our system failed to raise any red flags along the way is a testament to how insane our lack of gun control is
." Article

Oh really Mr. Irby? Maybe if you tried to learn something instead of using a tragedy to fit your agenda, you might have known about Pearl High School. Since you were a sniveling little punk in grade school when that shooting took place, I'll learn you some history. Luke Woodham went on the rampage. It was already illegal for him to have a gun as he was a minor. He stabbed his mother to death. Oh, knives are legal. He then killed several kids at Pearl High School with a rifle. Want to know how he was stopped? When he went to reload at his car, the assistant principal got his pistol out of his car and stopped him. It kept the massacre from getting worse. Then to confuse your already-confused mind with some more facts, here is something that happened this week:

nuff said.


Anonymous said...

It's never wise to make grandiose policy arguments in the wake of an event of this magnitude. Immediate reaction shouldn't be the basis for legislation.

What Do You Expect From Obama Voters? said...

Due to the sheer numbers hardly a week goes by when you can't find a story where someone in this country illegally -- an illegal alien because no one has any proof that the person intended to immigrate legally or illegally -- has caused the death of a legal resident either knowingly or unknowingly, accidentally or not.

But there can be little doubt that Ladd's latest JFP mentally-indentured servant supports the crossing of our borders illegally by those unauthorized to enter our country despite his gun control rhetoric undermining his position.

Anonymous said...

Since you were a sniveling little punk in grade school when that shooting took place ...

and since you work for a sniveling punk now ...

Anonymous said...

Anything to suck the oxygen out of the daily news cycle tent in order to draw attention away from the Kenyan's incompetence and record of failure.

Anonymous said...

"It's never wise to make grandiose policy arguments in the wake of an event of this magnitude. Immediate reaction shouldn't be the basis for legislation. "

Agreed. It shows the general poor judgement of anyone who reacts this strongly, this quickly, without gathering ANY facts before making a judgement.

Anonymous said...

I wonder what Ted Nugent's opinion would be?

Anonymous said...

The shooter Holmes could easily be mistaken himself as a JFP intern.

Anonymous said...

Looks like Dylan's summer Mama DonnerKay missed his Camel's Nose fallacy in the 5th paragraph.

Me thinks the JFP badly needs an ombudsperson.

Anonymous said...

Actually yes, someone with a firearm in the theater could have ended it if they had thier weapon. You spineless twits had rather a gunman kill indescriminantly than to have someone stand up against them. You know standing up against someone or something that is wron is how this country was founded. Just imagine if there had been one or two good ol boys in there with thier weapon. There undoubtably would be fewer dead but the dead would include the dipstick that came there to kill as many as he could.

Anonymous said...

The comment in the text about the system not raising any red flags is stupid. You cannot expect the system to do everyhting for you. Another attempt to point the blame at someone other than the one responsible,the gunman. Why can't the one responsible be blamed?? Wuss

Anonymous said...

If memory serves, wasn't there a rush to judgement when Giffords was shot? Something about her shooter being a deranged right wing extremist? I guess no lesson was learned on the left.

Kim Wade said...

Ban the terrorist organization that spawned this killer a registered member of the democrat party. People have too easy access to this terrorist outfit. The terror begins again at 6 pm this evening when the Gun and Knife Club kicks off in cities all over America. Guns don't kill people democrats

Anonymous said...

12:15 said it first. Dude does look like a JFP Intern type.

If everyone were armed (like the old West), situations like this would be less likely to happen.

rollo lawson said...

Well, the lil JFP intern literally copied and pasted his missive from a Denver Post blog...hmmmm, Donna, you fact-checking your folks?

Anonymous said...

NBC News is now reporting that the gunman dyed his hair red and orange and referred to himself as "the Joker" in conversations with police.

Kingfish said...

link? Didn't see it on the Denver Post website.

Anonymous said...

Northpark 10 .... he would arrive at UMC ... D.O.A. (with bullets from 15 different weapons)

Shadowfax said...

Are angry liberals to blame? Are dark movies to blame? Aggressive video games? Guns? Medical schools? The Denver hippy culture?

If there was no such thing as a gun in America, a sociopath intent on having his fifteen minutes of fame could easily have entered the same door, poured out two large cans of gasoline and ignited the crowd who thought he was just a movie prop.

Anonymous said...

Well, had I been in that movie house (I wouldn't because I don't WASTE my MONEY) I would have pull my Ruger .380 from my pocket and filled that nut full of holes.... LEGALLY!!!!

Anonymous said...

9:03am that is great except for the fact you would have been charged for carrying a loaded weapon in a movie theater or public gathering of 2 or more liberals. If the thunder don't getcha', then the lightening will!

Anonymous said...

An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.

Robert A. Heinlein

Things like this wouldn't happen as often if people weren't scared to stand up and shoot back. Just like the crime rate in Jackson would plummet if each home invader was met at the door with a shotgun. If you kill the thugs they aren't around the breed anymore and aren't looked up to by their peers for being thugs. They are looked down upon as they are lowered in a hole.

Curt Crowley said...

Paragraph 7 of Irby's story was shoplifted from a Bill Maher commentary he gave on Real Time about a year ago. Irby did take out the naughty words, but it appears he just flat-out stole the "romanticized view of armed citizens" bit from Bill Maher.

Plagarstealing aside, I wonder how this unpaid intern pansy who lives with his parents reached the conclusion that the outcome would have been no different or worse if the good guys had been armed. Where did Intern Irby get his CQB training that would qualify him to offer such an opinion?

This punk has confused his vast experience as an fps video game warrior with actual real world ass-kicking.

Shadowfax said...

I've changed my opinion of Mr. Crowley and apologize for my earlier negative comments. He's pretty cool after all.

Anonymous said...

Well, Holmes was not likely to be taken down with concealed handguns ( no one had a chance to go for heavier weapons in trunks) given he was in protective gear from head to toe.

Having a rational discussion about guns is impossible.The extremists on both sides of the issue took control of the discussion decades ago and now most everyone has chosen up sides on this political playground and are entrenched.

We could, however, change law so that we don't have to wait until someone hurts themself or others before getting them treated for mental illness. We could empower family and friends to get help for the mentally disturbed and still protect individual rights.

Holmes mother knew and had no way to get an adult son the help he needed. You can't force an adult to get clinically diagnosed BEFORE they harm themselves or others or unless they are dumb enough to make repeated threats of suicide or intent to do physical harm to someone else.

And, please, the argument that taking preventative/defensive measures shouldn't be done because those measures wouldn't be foolproof is never a logical argument. We'd do nothing ever about anything if perfection were the standard!

Is this tragedy in the wake of previous ones like it not sufficient to give us pause to have a serious rather than emotional discussion on how further such tragedies might be prevented?

We HAVE helped educate kids and parents and teachers in schools how to recognize potentially troubled, dangerous young people in their midst, might it not be time to do that much at least for the general population?

And, I'm not sure I'd hang my hat on arguing that every skilled, responsible gun owner is skilled enough to shoot in a crowd of civilians...especially those fleeing in panic. There is a reason we give police and military special training in this area.

Kingfish said...

BS. A .38 would hit him hard enough in the chest to stagger him. You can still hit him with head and thigh shots. A vest does not mean the bullets bounce off like Superman. Ask Marshand Crisler how it feels to get hit in the chest with a round or two while wearing a vest.

I've got news for you. Alot of cops are lousy shots and most military people do not train with a pistol. Unless you are in special ops, MP's, or on a pistol team, you don't use a handgun in the military. Mainly the rifle.

Anonymous said...

10:40 I agree with you and Oliver Wendell Holmes ("The Constitution is not a suicide pact").

We need to keep guns out of the hands on nut jobs, including Army majors/psychiatrists and this most recent loon. It is just self-defense.

Kingfish said...

Army major was not a nutjob. He was a jihadist on a mission

Curt Crowley said...

10:40, Colorado, like every other state, has a law that provides for treatment of mentally ill persons who are a danger to themselves or others. That process can be initiated by family members, and there is no requirement that the person must first hurt himself or someone else before initiating the process. The argument that we need new laws on this subject is incorrect.

Once a person enters the involuntary commitment process, he is deemed to be "adjudged mentally defective," and therefore disqualified from possessing a firearm. Had this process been followed in this case, Holmes would not have been able to purchase firearms, as the dealer would have been told not to make the sale when he called in the background check to FBI/NICS.

We don't need new laws. We need people to follow the ones we already have.

Anonymous said...

Having a rational discussion about guns is impossible.The extremists on both sides of the issue took control of the discussion decades ago and now most everyone has chosen up sides on this political playground and are entrenched.

There you go again. Everybody is an extremist except you. Go fuck yourself.

Anonymous said...

KF I see your point. Please realize that some of us think anyone who believes the crap spouted by radical islamists is living in an alternate reality than the rest of us, hence the delusional, nut job status. I agree he was on a deliberate mission, but still delusional.

Curt Crowley - unlike the Virginia Tech shooter there has been no evidence so far that the Colorado shooter ever received psychiatric care by someone obligated to report him if he was a clear and present danger to himself. His mother apparently knew something was seriously wrong but I haven't heard any reliable details. I agree we need rigorous enforcement of laws preventing dangerous, "mentally defective" persons from getting firearms, but I haven't seen anything yet that would have allowed his involuntary commitment (and I have committed more than a few dangerous people involuntarily over the years, although not in CO, but the process is very similar in every state wher I have done this).

Shadowfax said...

Our world is literally full of what we call socially-maladapted or social misfits. Have you seen this guy on television this morning talking to an audience about one of his projects in school? He appears on stage wide-eyed, almost grinning, wearing a shirt that's at least two sizes too large for him, sleeves extending over the hands, moving about erratically, unable to make eye contact.

Not only did he buy all this ammo on-line, he attempted to join a gun-range club and was turned down. The operator says he turned him down because he 'seemed creepy'. How do we isolate all the creepy people? Or do they advance from 'creepy' to 'mass murderer' because they already feel isolated?

Anonymous said...

There is no perfect system. We don't have a criminal code that stops every criminal, for example, but no one argues not to try to deal with the criminal element in society.

We did, however, have a better system for preventing the mentally ill and addicted from hurting themselves or others until around 1974 and we over-reacted to limited abuses within that system .

Instead of increasing punishment for abusers and adding protections against unwarranted involuntary committments we made it impossible for police,family members, etc. to get help for those who become a danger to themselves or others.

Our mental institutions have become revolving doors . Once a patient, even a dangerous one, is properly medicated, he is released even when it is known he is not likely to have the supervision to insure he continues taking his meds. Only when that patient has already been violent before admission or is not responding to medication, can the staff find reasons to retain a dangerous patient.

Addicts were caught early in the cycle of addiction before so much damage was done to their bodies and brains that recovery was far more difficult.

The courts see " a danger to themselves and others" as meaning they have already hurt themselves or others. Even then, what happens is the violent person gets medicated, released, stops their medications and becomes violent again. When before, that person would not have been released from the mental institution unless there was someone to supervise their medications or they had well demonstrated a determination to self-medicate .

And, KF, jihadists are certainly "a danger to themselves and others". We might not have to wait for our homegrown terrorists to try to hurt someone if mothers had a way to get effective treatment their sons and daughters who have been brainwashed by any religious cult leader.

It is nearly impossible to help someone who is delusional or on drugs unless you can get them medicated for the delusional thinking or off the drugs. Until then, You are talking to the delusion or to the drugs, not to a rational person. You cannot reason with an irrational person.

And, most often, the spouse or family is the first to know that something has dramatically changed. Empower them to act.

Jim Jones said...

We might not have to wait for our homegrown terrorists to try to hurt someone if mothers had a way to get effective treatment their sons and daughters who have been brainwashed by any religious cult leader.


Kingfish said...

And what do you do if the young jihadist's family is in on it or supports him, as is often the case?

Anonymous said...

Did someone inadvertently open the electronic locks at the JFP asylum?

Anonymous said...

And the 99.999999999 percent of the country who are responsible and sane gun owners should give up their second amendment rights? What a simpleton the author is but hey, Hitler and Stalin would love his argument.

Anonymous said...

KF @11:38 - this is from the Ace of Spades blog linked on your site. Check out the pentultimate entry (that word will weed out the Woodland Hills grads):

FLASHBACK: when Dr. Amy Bishop shot her colleagues, the Left speculated that she was a Tea Partier. In fact, she was an Obama donor.
FLASHBACK: Discovery Channel hostage-taker was supposedly a climate change denier. In fact, he was an enviroweenie, D.Channel intern.

FLASHBACK: the census-taker was supposedly hanged by extremist anti-tax Tea Partiers. In fact, he hanged himself.

FLASHBACK: the Times Square Bomber was speculated to be upset about [Health Care Reform]. In fact, he was jihadi scum.

FLASHBACK: the guy who flew his plane into the IRS in TX was supposedly a Tea Partier. In fact, he quoted from the Communist Manifesto.

FLASHBACK: the guy who was stabbing NYC cabbies was supposedly an anti-Ground Zero Mosque Tea Partier. In fact, he supported the GZM.

FLASHBACK: the Pentagon shooter was supposedly a Tea Party extremist. In fact, he was a 9/11 Truther.

FLASHBACK: when the Ft. Hood shooting happened, the Left speculated that it was a “RWNJ.” In fact, it was a Muslim nutjob.

FLASHBACK: When the Tucson shooting occurred, it was immediately blamed on Tea Party rhetoric. In fact, Loughner was a-political & insane.

Kingfish said...

Stauffer is spewing more lambs to the slaughter BS. Let me see, about that vest. First of all, a round to the vest in the chest would've staggered Holmes or knocked him down. Ask Marshand Crisler how it feels. Its not a day at the spa. You would still have rounds for a head shot or a thigh shot. As for the tear gas. Theater is a big place and slanted. Tear gas is heavy and stays on the ground. meaning the upper rows probably were free of it. I've been gassed before, It doesn't instantly incapacitate you either. It burns and your sinuses lose everything but you don't do it all at once in 5 seconds either. Anyway, 71 or more were shot so this crap about more people being shot is just that, crap.

Don't Tell Momma said...

Todd and Donna KNOW EVERYTHING King. Haven't you figured it out yet?

They certainly know tons about what it takes to raise a child. How many of their own do they have now? I've lost count.

Anonymous said...

Did you hear the Free Press caller who called Savage? It couldn't have gone worse for DonnerKay.

Curt Crowley said...

Damn, Donna's live-in girlfriend really got his panties in a wad over this one.

It's funny to read Todd Stauffer-Ladd throwing around terms that he clearly knows nothing about ("40 caliber glocks," trying to insinuate that is some heavy firepower).

Ladd's girlfriend needs to stick to things he knows--like cleaning the house, or making Donna look freakishly tall, and let the grown-ups take care of serious matters like gun policy.

Anonymous said...

KF, I hate to see you go down the " someone could have taken him out if only there were concealed weapons in the audience" road. There is rather a lot of evidence about why this would not have been feasible, much less likely...starting with the citizen shooters having to have sat in the right seats to get off a shot, the number of rounds per minute by the shooter , the layout of the theatre, the effects of the gas on vision, how a psychotic state affects physical reactions ( there's a reason it takes several big guys and a needle to subdue some crazy folks).
This is not the argument the NRA should make. It will play to the choir but it's really starting to piss off some of the cops on the scene. Rush and the NRA ought to have run this theory by them first.

Anonymous said...

Ax grinding @ July 24, 2012 9:14 AM masquerading as reason.

Anonymous said...

With polls showing 62% of Americans favor some gun restrictions and given the horror of this tragedy, the GOP ought to be begging , in a close election, Rush , the NRA, to hush up.

But, I guess it's too late now. Bloomberg et al are bombarding the media with reactions thanks to Rush's mouth which is a big as his butt.

Curt Crowley said...

@9:14--more bullshit that ignores the reality of defensive firearms tactics.

As far as the police getting "pissed off," to paraphrase NWA, f--k them. To any police officer who gets upset because someone mentions concealed carry in this incident, I would simply say thanks for being there when folks needed you, hero.

That, of course, would not be fair. Much the same as it's not fair for an officer to get mad about people discussing how concealed carry might have changed the result. Analyzing incidents like this is how people learn about what works and what doesn't, and how to prevent carnage next time.

Anonymous said...

WNEW News reports that Holmes was awarded a prestigious grant from the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Md. NIH is part of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

It gave the graduate student a $26,000 stipend and paid his tuition for the highly competitive program in Neuroscience at the University of Colorado in Denver. Holmes was one of six neuroscience students at the school to get the grant money.

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