Billions, tens of billions of dollars being stolen, but also just on a more pedantic, mundane level—but huge fraud, because we have perverse incentives in the department and we gave people the opportunity to steal, and we made it almost irresistible. I'll give you one example: skin substitutes, which are simulated skin that you put on certain wounds after dressing them carefully. We were billing for $200 million worth of skin substitutes in 2014. But there was a problem. The doctors who prescribed them would get 6% of the sales cost, and so they were incentivized to prescribe more expensive products. In Europe, they spend 35 cents a cubic inch. We were spending $135, and that went up to $2,000 a cubic inch. So in 2019, we were paying 200 million. Last year we spent 14 billion. All stolen. It's all stolen. And we were on track to spend 23 billion this year. It was $135 for everybody on Medicaid and Medicare in this country. And we stopped it. We put an end to it, and we now have driven that cost down to somewhere around a billion dollars and we saved that money. But it was allowed to get out of control, and you and I can sit here all day long and just tell insane stories about the level of theft."
Although at times given to exaggeration, the Secretary was not joking. The federal government busted an Arizona healthcare provider for bilking Medicare of $1.2 billion in payments for skin substitute payments. Two company officials were sentenced to some serious prison time. There are similar ongoing prosecutions in other states.
December 12, 2025 Justice Department Press Release
In the first prosecution of its kind, the owners of several Arizona wound graft companies were sentenced to significant terms of incarceration for causing over $1.2 billion of false and fraudulent claims to be submitted to Medicare and other health insurance programs for medically unnecessary wound grafts that were ordered as a result of illegal kickbacks and applied to elderly and terminally ill patients. On Oct.7 Alexandra Gehrke was sentenced to 15.5 years in prison, and on Oct. 10 her husband, Jeffrey King, was sentenced to 14 years in prison.
According to court documents, Gehrke, 39, and King, 46, both of Phoenix, orchestrated a large-scale wound-care scheme from 2022 through 2024. Gehrke solely owned and operated two companies that contracted with medically untrained “sales representatives” to find elderly Medicare beneficiaries throughout Arizona with wounds of any kind. Once the sales representatives identified these patients, many of whom were in hospice care, Gehrke directed the sales representatives to order expensive bioengineered skin substitutes — amniotic membrane allografts made from human placental tissue — to be placed on the wounds. To maximize profits, Gehrke required the sales representatives to order only the largest sizes of grafts available, even if the sizes of grafts — or the use of grafts as treatment — were not medically appropriate or reasonable.
Gehrke referred the patients identified by the sales representatives first to a company she owned, and later in the scheme to a company co-owned by King. Both of these companies were enrolled as Medicare providers and could submit claims to Medicare. Through these companies, Gehrke and King purchased the grafts from a wholesale graft distributor. They also contracted with nurse practitioners to apply the grafts and billed Medicare and other health insurers for the grafts applied. Gehrke and King instructed the nurse practitioners to suspend their medical judgment and apply whatever quantities and sizes of grafts were ordered by the medically untrained sales representatives, regardless of medical necessity.
Gehrke, through the three companies she owned, received over $279 million in illegal kickbacks from the wholesale graft distributor in exchange for ordering its grafts, over $100 million of which she diverted to her personal accounts and tens of millions of which she used to pay illegal kickbacks to the sales representatives. The company co-owned by King received an additional $130 million in illegal kickbacks from the same graft distributor.
The financial incentive for the sales representatives to order large numbers and sizes of allografts, combined with Gehrke and King’s requirement that nurse practitioners apply all grafts ordered, resulted in large grafts applied to small wounds, several grafts applied to single wounds, grafts applied to non-existent wounds and grafts applied to terminally ill patients receiving palliative care, some of whom died within days or the same day of the allograft application.
Over the course of just 18 months, from November 2022 through May 2024, Gehrke, King and their co-conspirators submitted approximately $1,212,005,778 in false and fraudulent claims to health insurance programs, including over $960 million to the federal health care programs Medicare, TRICARE (the health care program for U.S. service members and their families) and CHAMPVA (the health care program for spouses and children of permanently disabled veterans). The federal and commercial health care programs collectively paid $614,945,420 based on these claims.
The government seized substantial assets that Gehrke and King accumulated from the scheme, including $97 million from 28 bank accounts at seven financial institutions; three life insurance annuities exceeding $21 million; four luxury vehicles — a Ferrari 488 Spider convertible, a Mercedes-Benz AMG Roadster, a Mercedes-Benz 4x4 Squared G-Wagon and a Mercedes-Benz GLE — collectively purchased for over $988,000; $367,150 in cash recovered from Gehrke and King’s home and safe deposit boxes and over $348,000 worth of gold and silver bars and coins.
Gehrke and King pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit health care fraud and wire fraud on Oct. 24, 2024, and Jan. 31, 2025, respectively. In addition to the terms of incarceration, Gehrke and King were ordered to pay restitution and to forfeit fraudulent proceeds obtained personally and through companies they owned and controlled. Gehrke was ordered to pay $614,945,420 in restitution and to forfeit $279,912,916 in fraudulent proceeds, and King was ordered to pay $605,690,110 in restitution and to forfeit $130,813,658 in fraudulent proceeds.
In addition to the criminal case, Gehrke and the wound graft marketing company she owned, Apex Medical LLC, agreed to pay $279,912,916, and King agreed to pay $30 million, related to their respective civil liability under the False Claims Act, resolving allegations that they knowingly submitted false claims to Medicare and other federal health care programs for medically unnecessary wound allografts, received illegal kickbacks from a wholesale wound allograft distributor in exchange for orders, purchases, and referrals and paid illegal kickbacks to other parties.
The Federal Anti-Kickback Statute prohibits offering or paying anything of value to induce referrals of items or services covered by Medicare and other federally funded programs. The statute is intended to ensure that the judgment of medical providers is not compromised by improper financial incentives.
The False Claims Act allegations resolved by the civil settlements were originally brought by whistleblowers under the qui tam provisions of the False Claims Act, which allow private parties to bring suit on behalf of the government and to share in any recovery. The matters remain under seal while the investigation of other parties continues. The amount of the whistleblower shares of the settlements has not yet been determined.
The FBI, HHS-OIG, Department of Defense Office of Inspector General, Defense Criminal Investigative Service and Department of Veterans Affairs Office of Inspector General investigated the criminal case. The civil resolutions were the result of a coordinated effort between the Justice Department’s Civil Division, Commercial Litigation Branch, Fraud Section and the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Arizona, with assistance from HHS-OIG.
Trial Attorney Shane Butland of the National Rapid Response Strike Force of the Criminal Division’s Fraud Section and Assistant U.S. Attorney Matthew Williams for the District of Arizona are prosecuting the case. Assistant U.S. Attorney Joseph Bozdech for the District of Arizona is handling asset forfeiture. The civil False Claims Act investigation was handled by Trial Attorney Vanessa Reed of the Civil Division and Assistant U.S. Attorney Lon Leavitt for the District of Arizona.
The Fraud Section leads the Criminal Division’s efforts to combat health care fraud through the Health Care Fraud Strike Force Program. Since March 2007, this program, currently comprised of 9 strike forces operating in 27 federal districts, has charged more than 5,800 defendants who collectively have billed federal health care programs and private insurers more than $30 billion. In addition, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, working in conjunction with the Office of the Inspector General for the Department of Health and Human Services, are taking steps to hold providers accountable for their involvement in health care fraud schemes. More information can be found at www.justice.gov/criminal-fraud/health-care-fraud-unit.
The investigation and resolution of this matter illustrates the government’s emphasis on combating health care fraud. One of the most powerful tools in this effort is the False Claims Act. Tips and complaints from all sources about potential fraud, waste, abuse and mismanagement can be reported to HHS at 800-HHS-TIPS (800-447-8477).
Kingfish note: The use of skin care substitutes is a legitimate treatment. Sources said in typical bureaucratic overreaction, Medicare is shutting down payments for such therapy, thus causing financial problems for ethical healthcare providers who weren't overfilling Medicare.

17 comments:
The amount of waste and fraud that our tax dollars are going to is staggering. Unfortunately, the people who benefit the most are our elected officials and others that work in our government. At some point the current system will collapse under the weight of the debt.
It's free money, just like grants and student "loans."
The focus should be on providing care to the people who most need it. Trying to count pennies and assign blame is a worthless endeavor when there are so many great needs out there. We must come together to open not only our hearts but also our pocketbooks to get the money to the people who need it the most.
Now it all makes sense. Women are pressured into induced birth using Pitocin now I know another reason why. The placenta is extracted by C Section which keeps the Placenta in most valuable sellable condition. They are worth at least 50k each. Most black births are pushed to C Section. Now the picture is more complete. They are using them to make even more
Money.
95 % . That is the number . The other 5 % are the honest ones.
Howdy, Mr Trollabot! Who paid YOU to drop-by, to inform us what "WE" should do. By the way: they're not counting pennies. They're counting BILLIONS of Dollars.
There'd be plenty of money for addressing all those "great needs out there", if people like your employers were not stealing BILLIONS.
Seems quite difficult to find out the name/names of the local physicians who are involved in these two businesses in Flowood, MS.
Health care providers: are these our doctors and nurses who actually SAW the patient or our health insurance system? I remember when BCBS in MS joined ranks with two other states and suddenly, an OB-GYN working for BCBS could decide if removal of a thyroid gland was warranted. One had to be smart and persistent to call out the idiocy to get covered!
Dunbocrats Graft Grift. (copyrighted).
Why? These folks should be run out of town.
... in typical bureaucratic overreaction ...
So, they'd (these 'sources') would rather it remain business as usual.
No thanks, give me the overreaction to graft, corruption, malfeasance and embezzlement every time.
I agree 11:29. Completely.
Hit me up if you know anybody who needs some virtual childcare. We've got plenty of openings.
I wonder how many members the Wound Management Specialists LLC has, and who they are.
Also what about Advanced Healthcare Solutions LLC (located in the same little Flowood stripmall with Wound Managment Specialists LLC) that is allegedly owed $78 million by the Wound Mamnagement Specialists LLC how many members and who are they?
The chemtrails are used to obscure the view of what is going on. Use more tinfoil.
IYKYK
Just shut it all down. The government is far too large to monitor all the outflows. It worked when we were a high trust society but that is no longer the case.
Kennedy is an embarrassment, among others.
If we could only have a few hangings of fraudsters ... it would help. I'll pay extra. MS would rather protect their nefarious freaks whether it be health care or construction - so typical. Our state is the most corrupt in the nation.
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