Wednesday, April 17, 2013

HUD wants to bring Section 8 to a home near you

The Wall Street Journal opined about some HUD social engineering and neighborhoods. Yup, Assistant Secretary and his HUD minions want to make sure your neighbors meet their criteria:

"Elections have consequences, and one result from November has been to empower President Obama's regulators. Consider what the social engineers at the Department of Housing and Urban Development are doing to Westchester County north of New York City.

At issue is a 2009 settlement with HUD in which Westchester committed to develop 750 public housing units in mostly white neighborhoods over seven years. County executive Rob Astorino has financing for 305 units (110 of which are already occupied), putting Westchester ahead of schedule. HUD could have declared victory and moved on to a real mess like, say, Detroit.

Instead, the agency is interfering with local zoning in Westchester to force more racial diversity on suburban neighborhoods. Last week, HUD New York's Director of Community Planning and Development Vincent Hom wrote Mr. Astorino and threatened to cancel $7.4 million in unrelated housing and community development funds. To keep the cash, Westchester must produce "a satisfactory zoning analysis and plan to overcome exclusionary zoning practices."

Westchester spokesman Ned McCormack says such a plan is hard to produce because zoning concerns how land is developed—such as where to put sewers, or multifamily homes—not who lives where. Westchester nonetheless examined zoning practices in 43 municipalities for evidence of racial discrimination and found none. HUD rejected that analysis last April. So Westchester commissioned Pace University law professor John Nolon to examine the legality of the county's conclusions. In June, he agreed with Westchester's findings.

HUD didn't dispute Mr. Nolon's analysis but pressed ahead anyway. The bureaucrats think if neighborhoods are majority white they are ipso facto discriminatory. But as everyone knows, families make housing decisions for a myriad of reasons, from affordability to schools to cultural affinity. Discriminatory intent requires proof that financially able minorities are blocked from buying homes in certain neighborhoods, but there is no evidence of that in Westchester. According to the 2010 census, Westchester is the fourth most racially diverse county in the state, behind Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx and tied with Manhattan.

HUD is also pressing Westchester to "promote" legislation that would force landlords to accept federally subsidized Section 8 housing vouchers to pay rent. Mr. Astorino vetoed such a bill in 2010, and HUD successfully sued the county to reintroduce the measure. Mr. Astorino asked the Democratic-controlled county legislature to resubmit the legislation in August 2012, which it has declined to do. Westchester is appealing to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals.....

Westchester is less segregated than many ethnic enclaves in New York City. Republican Mr. Astorino and municipalities are united in their belief that local governments should be able to determine zoning rules for such things as multifamily developments or lot sizes. HUD bureaucrats who want to re-engineer neighborhoods according to some diversity formula will do more harm than good

I had a front row view to this Section 8 stuff back in the 90's on Old Canton Road. The apartments placed in NE Jackson destroyed it.  The owners of the apartment complexes on Ridgewood and Old Canton Road decided to start accepting section 8 money. Guaranteed checks. You know the drill.  Helping hands are one thing. However, the government changed the disabled classifications to include alcoholism and drug addicts as protect classes. Thus a landlord accepting Section 8 tenants can not refuse those addicts as they are considered to be disabled. Jack Kemp and the Bush Republicans had no problem with this change. In effect, the residents of Northeast Jackson, black and white, were paying crackheads and drunks to move in next to them with their tax dollars. Needless to say, the crime and social problems increased. In fact, I will go further and say Section 8 is a destroyer of neighborhoods and apartment complexes. Walter Olson wrote in Reason magazine:

"To begin with, in this case -- as indeed in most cases of this sort -- the threat of a federal funds cutoff is being deployed with the aim of raising government outlays, not lowering them. HUD is pressing the county to commit to extremely costly plans for subsidized housing, at a price tag estimated to run between $730 million and $1 billion. For more on how the modern arrangements sometimes called "cooperative federalism" operate to push all the participating levels of government into expanding their level of activity, rather than employing the ambition of one level to check another, see Michael Greve's recent work.

Moreover, the question of whether the federal government can ban local government practices for which it cannot show racial motivation, but which have "disparate impact" on one or another protected group, is emerging as one of the hottest issues in housing and local government law. Consider, for example, the situation of a town council that is considering cutting back public bus schedules or recreation programs with more than their share of minority users. Even if motivated by budget concerns or an overall small-government philosophy rather than by a desire to harm or discourage minority patrons, such cutbacks might be arguably illegal if "disparate impact" concepts are to rule the day, as the Obama administration keeps suggesting.

Not least, the Westchester dispute does relate directly to regulation of private citizens. As part of its pressure on the county, HUD is insisting that it is a violation of fair housing law for the county not to enact an ordinance commanding that private landlords not engage in so-called source-of-income discrimination -- which in practice mostly means banning them from turning away government-aided applicants like those from the Section 8 program. Nationally, landlord participation in the Section 8 program is supposed to be voluntary, and many apartment managers and private renters do not participate, sometimes because of less-than-happy experiences with Section 8 tenants. If HUD prevails, it will be one step closer to its apparent goal of requiring -- federal law or no -- that property owners nationwide consent to become Section 8 landlords, a status that brings them under a variety of additional regulations as well as itself seriously infringing their freedom to run their businesses as they please

Think you can just move to Brandon or Madison to escape paying the crackheads to live next to you? HUD now has other things in mind for your neighborhood as it will seek to institute its own version of forced busing for neighborhoods. I don't recall reading in the Constitution where the government could determine who lives where but apparently Mr. Perez and his legal savants are more gifted than I and found such rights. This is the test case. Watch "disparate impact"  become the new HUD jihad if it succeeds in New York.



Any comment on this crap will be met with a mantra from the Jackson-left chanting racism, homophobia and white flight. As for the article, I'm surprised it's taken almost five years to churn this information out.

He will continue to direct his department heads and secretary positions to slide 'comfort cushions' up under the arses of his primary base. It's been his agenda for the past thirty years. And he can rule by executive fiat.

He moved the Census department into the White House and he took over the College Loan program. You think that was by accident? The single thing that has him most stymied at the moment is this: How to forgive the student loans of millions of blacks while at the same time convincing the rest of America that the other 'loan holders' need to shut up and 'pay their fair share'.

Anonymous said...

I can't imagine the people of Westchester tolerating this. A lot of Westchester County makes Northeast Jackson look like the hood. There will be a lot of angry people. This is outrageous.

Anonymous said...

YOU will accept the rulings of the Obamatollah OR ELSE.

Anonymous said...

Good local planning and zoning will stop this cold in its tracks.See Madison...

Anonymous said...

U find the right developer with deep pockets and u can forget the idea of not having apartments in Madison.

Anonymous said...

Sorry 7:42...

When HUD gets on your ass, you lose every time.

If they decided "Mother Mary" needed a Section 8 "hood", she'd be getting it right in downtown Madison and there wouldn't be a F__g thing she could do about it.

Don't be surprised if this doesn't happen one day. HUD loves to ruin clean "white" areas. Its one of their specialties.

Anonymous said...

I think a section 8 apartment building would look nice on the properties next door to George Clooney, Jim Carey, Nancy Pelosi, and Opra Winfrey. And, in the interest of equality and fairness, how about carving out a corner of the white house lawn and putting one there ....and the occupants could work as security for the white house.

Col. Reb Sez said...

America's Murder Mystery,from The Atlantic.

PittPanther said...

Here's the deal. If Section 8 is bad, then don't try to keep it isolated to Black neighborhoods - work to kill the program. Trying to keep it out of White neighborhoods and only in Black neighborhoods is a non-starter. Either everyone gets their share of Section 8, or no one does.

Anonymous said...

Several attempts have been made by attorneys representing 'those with deep pockets' who had visions of Madison apartments. Drive around. You don't see any, do you?

Of course John Bell has been curiously silent so far on this issue, claiming "I want what's best for Madison".

Col. Reb Sez said...


Maybe we should get rid of Section 8 altogether, but one thing of note in the Atlantic article I mentioned was that in Memphis when all the poor people lived together the police were able to do their jobs and keep crime down. When they spread out is when the crime explosion began because the were dispersed over too large an area for the police to cover.

Anonymous said...

On April 15th, I paid my unfair share of taxes so Westchester, a very nice community in New York, could become just like Northeast Jackson......

Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...

It's utter nonsense to suggest housing for the slothful should be spread among all communities. America may be a 'melting pot' for legal immigrants, but we are not a melting pot when it comes to spreading self-imposed misery, crime and laziness.

When a septic tanks fails and the result is bubbling turds, you don't spread those turds all around the yard and throughout the subdivision. You identify the leak, capture it and confine it to the area from which it erupted.

Anonymous said...

Jackson already has an equal distribution of sewage failures. There are very few neighborhoods in the city where raw sewage is not already bubbling to the surface.

Except Fondren, of course. Because there the new surface based sewage system has already been deployed. Contact William Winter or Haley Fisackerly for a tour.

Turd Patrol Trainee II said...

I thought Fisackerly was into harnessing energy and providing electricity. And although William has been known to be full of crap at times, I doubt he's providing tours of Fondren's turd conduits. Unharnessed turds in Fondren are like crime ~ perception.

Anonymous said...

Go drive down Crane Trainee.

Anonymous said...

8:47. Why do you enjoy being a constant shithead?

Trainee said...

I don't have the code to get onto Crane.

Anonymous said...

4:12 PM. It is a shame that you are so consistently wrong.

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