Monday, October 3, 2016

Censorship at Ole Miss?

Social media is abuzz after this Instagram video was posted that showed a student being thrown out of the Ole Miss game Saturday.  He is carrying a Mississippi state flag.  The flag was not attached to a stick or any other solid objects.  Accusations that he was ejected because he was holding up the banner are flying fast and furious.  See the video for yourself:





Keep in mind a 15 second video may only tell part of the story and in these videos, there is usually more to the story. 

71 comments:

Anonymous said...

GTHOM!

Anonymous said...

I don't want ANY flag or sign waving in front if me when I am trying to watch a game that costs $100 per seat at a minimum.

Anonymous said...

There's several more videos on Facebook. Including one showing the initial altercation. And another showing the cop assaulting the student outside of the stadium.

Kingfish said...

Can you email me the links? Kingfish1935@gmail.com. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

They have a stadium rule against having signs, flags, etc in stadium. Doesn't say anything about size or what sign says or what kind of flag. Doesn't matter what one thinks about displaying a particular flag, the security folks are charged with enforcing the rule.

Would you rather it allow any sign, or any flag, of any size? If not then have to understand and accept there reasonable rule.

And obviously this kid - and all the others that have been the subject of its enforecent - knew the rule but wanted the attention. With the help of crazy Christy he is getting what he wants. If he had forfeited his contraband he could have remained in the stadium. But what he evidently considered "principles" over weighed his wanting to see his vaunted black bears win over arch-rival Memphis State.

Anonymous said...

snot nosed brats. most of them left at halftime anyway.

Anonymous said...

There are rules for the size of banners and signs

Policy:

Banners and signs larger than 8.5″ x 11″ may not be brought into Vaught-Hemingway.

http://olemissfb.com/vaught-hemingway-stadium/stadium-information/

Anonymous said...

abide by the stadium rules or get 'full throttled' by the security...

Anonymous said...

No need to try to sneak around with a rebel flag at state college. they fly them proudly all over campus.

Fly It, Wave It, Wear It.. said...

Whether you clowns like Ole Miss or don't like Ole Miss and whether or not you like 'brats' and regardless of what you think your tickets cost, there is something called a constitutional right to freedom of speech.

You might not know it, but if a rule or prohibition addresses one type of 'annoyance' that might get in the way, it must address all. If I can't wave a small flag, then YOU can't bring in a sheet of poster board in representing your sorority or your candidate for most liked. And if my small flag is prohibited, then your pom pons must also be prohibited. And so must your funeral-home sized fans.

We all know and understand that the liberal leadership of the institution is attempting to stifle symbols (including the verbalizing of songs and chants) that might be somehow associated with The Civil War Confederacy. What you clowns don't realize is that the Constitution's First Amendment sometimes trumps that wish.

Anonymous said...

Don't hold up your political statement in front of me while I'm watching the game and we will be alright. Block my vision and I have a problem.

Anonymous said...

It's some MSU guys being paid to stir it up. They are tired of being outrecruited

PittPanther said...

Another person confused by what rights the First Amendment actually confer.

You have no rights to do or say whatever you want when in a facility that's not owned by yourself.

Also note that the student was not arrested for displaying the flag, only removed from that facility.

No first amendment issues were raised here. You might consider taking a class in constitutional law. I hear Obama was a good teacher of it at Univ of Chicago, and will be available again early next year.

Anonymous said...

In the clip I see several people with solid red flags of some sort. What are all of those red flags several people have? How is that different than the same size flag the kid was kicked out for having?

Your Not a Lawyer said...

Fly it:
Free speech is not without its limits. The school's rule is content neutral.

Anonymous said...

To the clown at 11:16

What YOU don't realize is that YOUR (and other Ole Miss supporters of flag waving) interpretation of the First Amendment is not correct. Yes there is a right of free speech but that is not absolute and without condition. This snotty nosed kid paid admission (or his parents did) for him to enter the stadium. It was his choice to sit in an assigned seat. The permission that allowed him entry into this facility has conditions attached. He agreed to those conditions. If he wanted to wave his flag he could have done that outside the stadium under his First Amendment rights. But when he chose to enter the stadium his FA rights are trumped by that part that says his rights don't trump mine if I am sitting behind him.

But, thanks for playing. Come back next week.

Anonymous said...

every point you tried to make was litigated years ago when the flags were initially banned. UM won easily and it is settled law.

also, the ticket you have to get in is a "license" that can be revoked for almost any reason; that reason is to violate ANY stadium policies. you leave a great portion of your free speech rights at the gate...

Anonymous said...

Wondering if a "Black Lives Matter" sign would have produced the same reaction?

Anonymous said...

what if someone is wearing a shirt with the Mississippi Flag do they get kicked out too??

Anonymous said...

Way to go black bearz. THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN! Brad Lott, Crunchy Mike, Meredith statue attackers and, now, flag Nazis. Nice work, asshats.

Anonymous said...

It's genuinely hilarious to see OM try frantically to run, not walk, away from what has been the defining component of their identity for a century.

It's like watching the mob trying to go legit. Colonel Reb used to be your best earner. But now he's becoming a liability, so you hurry him out the back door, shove him in the trunk, drive him out in the country, put two in the back of his head, and bury him in a shallow grave.

Anonymous said...

12:58.....yep, dead on correct. And meanwhile the rest of the state clings tightly to same. UM no longer will bear the burden of all the unreconstructed trailer trash of the state. Good for them.

Anonymous said...

12:02, maybe we ought to send copies of that litigation to the wonderful constitutional scholar and protaganist, absolutist, Chris McDaniel - who first suggested that students should take this into their own hands and do whatever is necessary to protect their 'rights' and now has claimed that a student was 'arrested' for expressing his constitutional rights, with a suggestion that the legislature needs to solve this issue.

Thanks the good Lord that we missed the bullet on this idiot, but he just doesn't seem to go away and take his tin-foil followers with him.

But on second thought, I realize that he doesn't recognize court rulings when they are against his opinions. Don't waste the postage on sending that caselaw to him after all.

Seventeen Blues Clubs!!!!! said...

If that flag is bigger than 8.5x11 then it's just barely beyond said limits, and anyone here who is positing that the size of the banner is the issue is being disingenuous at best.

We can all play this game of "but the rules say..", but anyone with a modicum of awareness has to at least acknowledge that the Mississippi state flag, with it's prominent Confederate naval jack, is controversial to many.

The university is splitting some fine hairs here in setting up a circumstance to "ban" the flag while gladly accepting money from the state government which it represents. I doubt many here would abide giving foreign aid to a nation that bans the flying of the US flag and persecutes those who do so.

Looking at the way the young man was reacting to the guard makes me think it was more about his behavior than his banner. However, I tend to believe (purely my speculation) that a similar banner that read "Go Rebels" or "Go Tigers" or "Hillary for President" would not have generated a security intervention.

Mississippi State (and other SEC) fans should take a step back before gleefully piling on. Ask yourself if you are really committed to the alteration of the state flag and its removal from events, or if you're just "Me Too!"-ing because you don't like the football team.

And to the Steeltown Pussycat who talks about how great a teacher President Rock Star was, I'd love to see real evidence of that (not mere anecdotes from his fellow travelers). If you can post a link to a single document that was authored by Obama showing a clever and unique insight into the application of Constitutional law, I'd like to read it.

Anonymous said...

Big amen, 1:04.

Anonymous said...

Cant wait until the first OM football player takes a knee or raises a clinched fist during the national anthem....

Will the administration address the situation?

I notice where East Carolina had situation this past weekend with the band.

Pitt Goes Back To School.. said...

Pitt Panther - You may want to revisit the constitution yourself. First amendment rights apply when the government attempts to stifle public speech. This is a state institution and is therefore, 'the government'. Not sure how things work in Pennsylvania, but this is Mississippi.

Anonymous said...

But those "rules" are not consistent. The FaceBook "rules" are different than the webpage here: http://www.olemisssports.com/facilities/ole-facilities-vhs-rules.html

In the "OMSports.com" rules (I guess OM has a fulltime flag and PC symbol monitor?) it was (and still is as of today):

"Banners and Poles

Policy:

Banners may not be hung and poles may not be brought into Vaught-Hemingway except those approved by Ole Miss Event Management.

Reason:

Banners or poles in Vaught-Hemingway can obstruct the view of other fans. Also, Ole Miss must ensure that it honors its corporate sponsors regarding signage in Vaught-Hemingway."

So, either refer them to those rules or be sure to get an 8" by 10.5" flag.

They "changed" the rules in the middle of the season and still don't have their ducks in a row. For good reason, since it's banning a state flag at a state college.

Since they can't outlaw ANY flag, they have to play games with size, stick, etc.

Sew it on or wear it.

Cause the "spokesperson" is lying: "Ole Miss Senior Associate AD/Communications and Marketing, Michael Thompson, said, “I don’t know what was on any of the signs. I just know all signs were removed. It’s a non-story. Stadium rules ere enforced like they have always been.”

Thompson added, “For years stadium policy has been no banners or signs allowed in the stadium. It doesn’t matter what is on the sign – they block other people’s view.”

No, it hasn't been "for years" and still is not and cannot be (no signs or flags), under the Constitution.

Law School Dropouts Are Everywhere.. said...

It's total bullshit to claim 'but the rules say...' and 'you agree when you buy a ticket...'. The fact remains, in American jurisprudence, that you cannot sign away your rights. One does not 'sign away his legal rights at the gate'. Sorry Charlie. Years ago you might have purchased a ticket that required you to sit in the balcony of the movie theatre and you see what happened with that one.

Just as employers might (illegally) get employees to sign away their right to overtime, purchasing a ticket, regardless of the fine print, does not require that you abandon the US Constitution.

If there is a flag rule that is selectively enforced, it can, should and will be challenged. Especially if the enforcement is based on religion, race, political thought or expression.

And to the knuckle-head who said 'he wasn't arrested - He was only removed', the constitutional prohibitions on controlling free speech don't address arrest as opposed to other sorts of control. He could have been hosed, beaten, arrested, removed, sprayed or had his mouth duct-taped - still an agent of the state controlled and violated his free speech rights if there is a rule and it is not enforced equally.

The only reason the challenge failed years ago was because the challenge dealt with flags and the rule dealt with sticks.

Pucker up knuckle-heads!

Anonymous said...

@1:58
Good luck with that. ****Chrissy McBi*ch is just trying to make himself relevant again for whatever federal office he's got his eyes
on this go 'round. Apparently he's using some useful idiots to help him again. Maybe he'll end up like that Alabama judge. One can only hope.

Wrong color crayon said...

If he were black, he would not have been thrown out

Anonymous said...

stop whining about that crappy arse flag......petulant children that you are....
stop being followers
free speech goes both ways
worse flag in the nation being upheld by the usual deplorable suspects....

Anonymous said...

@ October 3, 2016 at 1:43 PM


gee golly you are definitely gonna have a life then.....

Anonymous said...

If you get that stupid flag tattooed on your stupid heads you wouldn't have this problem.... Einsteins

Anonymous said...

Can I take a handkerchief to the game? What about a terrible towel like they have in Pittsburgh? they are not signs and they don't have a stick. I think they are content neutral. I know I have seen people with those pompoms or whatever they are. How can they shake those and I con't shake a piece of cloth imprinted with "Ole Miss" or an image of the state flag or whatever?

I think the flag ought to go if it offends people (and it does), but not if it is at the expense of the first amendment. Let the little puke have his flag. This isn't real life, it is a football game.

Anonymous said...

"Another person confused by what rights the First Amendment actually confer.

You have no rights to do or say whatever you want when in a facility that's not owned by yourself."

And who exactly owns the facility in question? For some reason I thought it was us taxpayers who pay for it.

Since it is a state property it is also subject to the US Constitution (although Mississippians have seemed to have trouble grasping that concept in the past).

And as far"arrest" vs "expulsion": in either case his speech was suppressed by the state of Mississippi.

Anonymous said...

"And to the Steeltown Pussycat who talks about how great a teacher President Rock Star was, I'd love to see real evidence of that (not mere anecdotes from his fellow travelers). If you can post a link to a single document that was authored by Obama showing a clever and unique insight into the application of Constitutional law, I'd like to read it."

Good point. He was the first (and maybe the only) editor of Harvard's Law Review to not write a single article for them himself.

Anonymous said...

I thought Phil Bryant would go down in the books as this generation's Ross Barnett but Chris Mc is giving him a strong run for the money. All we need is the half time speech. At a co-Lin game

Anonymous said...

Sorry rednecks, UM is no longer carrying the torch for Jim Crow white trash. Quit sending your insurgents to stir up the students. They are busy getting drunk and getting laid and winning football games. Much more fun than what the flag waving students in the 70s had to endure.

Anonymous said...

And you OM bitches wonder why you suck year in and year out....

When enough of you racist dumbasses finally die off....life will get be better for all involved.

Anonymous said...

Funny, if they suck, how do you describe MSU's performance? By the way, racist dumbasses can't get in ole miss unless they buy a ticket to a football game. These folks are non-affiliated instigators. AKA the redneck version of community activists. The masses at UM have contently not waved their flags for a couple of decades, and their athletic performance has steadily improved. Go figure. Maybe the state should take notice. Ha, naw, hell naw.

Anonymous said...

Funny, Confederate Colonel Chris McDaniel went to William Carey. Let's unfurl a 10x20 flag at one of WC's games, it would cover the whole student body. And all of their sprites and popcorn. And nobody would notice that they couldn't see the athletic event that they didn't know was transpiring anyway.

Anonymous said...

You idiots dogging McDaniel need to remember that he had the overwhelming support of the republicans in this state. Your senile adulterous geriatric puppet wouldn't have gotten reelected if it weren't for the democrats.

Anonymous said...

overwhelming support of republicans in this state.....that meant something 20 years ago when Reagan was still alive and Fordice got elected. Now republican in Mississippi is just code word for un-reconstructed jim crow flag waver. They would not know what true conservatism meant if it fell on their head.

Anonymous said...

Tom Head and his legion of UNuseful idiots are out in force today. Time for milk and bed though.

Anonymous said...

I hope they arrested the student and lock him away for 5 years.

No one should bring a Mississippi flag to a football match.

Anonymous said...

Thanks kingfish !

I’m glad you reported this latest incident.

It seems the lil’ social justice warrior "safe space" types are having a massive meltdown.

Those poor little snowflakes . . .
Bless their hearts !

They’re starting to understand that they will never have any impact on changing the Mississippi State Flag.

Alpha Storm said...

Take the American Flag next. That would make national news.. See an Ole Miss Nazi Security try to take that away.

Here's The Deal.. said...

"No handguns, rifles or knives are permitted in this workplace or in vehicles in the parking lot".

That employer's workplace poster is not legally enforceable in Mississippi.

"You can be terminated for any reason or for no reason"

That handbook policy is inaccurate and will not be upheld in court.

"No alcoholic beverages are allowed inside this stadium"

Obviously that is not enforced. Take a look at the sky-boxes and the Club-Level liquor lockers.

"No sticks, banners or items that block view allowed in stadium"

Well, except for pom-pons, funeral fans, sorority signs, the ones supporting ESPN slogans on TV day, large foam fingers, red/blue Hoss Cartwright forty gallon hats...and on and on.

....................

It's important to understand that rules written on the backs of tickets or posted on college bulletin boards don't trump the U.S.Constitution. You pussies who cry out for safe-spaces will simply have to denigrate the Confederacy and The South in some other manner.

Anonymous said...

Nobody needs to denigrate the confederacy. It took care of that by itself. Still doing it.

Anonymous said...

Not everybody wants to be represented by the flag of slavery. Go ahead you Confederates, continue to hurt Mississippi in the long run. So many of our children with college degrees are leaving anyway since they cannot find a decent job here. We are the laughing stock of the US and the Confederates want to keep it that way.

Anonymous said...

The big question is, "What does Rick Cleveland think?"

Give it about two weeks. The dust will settle and a clear path of resolution will be evident. At that time, Rick will bravely weigh in on whatever side his sports writing buddies have already taken and act as if he's standing upon principle

Anonymous said...

The far more interesting parts of this video are as follows:
7 second mark - cleavage
8 second mark - two hot girls in red dresses
9 second mark - drunk feminine guy rounds the corner and is like "oh naw he didn'!"

Anonymous said...

He was arrested fit public drunkenness and minor on possession of alcohol. This entire discussion is erroneous. But at least we know that McDanniel is alive and as irrellevent as ever.

Anonymous said...

Don't ya love the liberal trolls coming out to mock and trifle?

Anonymous said...

@ 10:56. "9 second mark . . ."

I almost spit out my drink when I watched the video again. You win the thread.

Anonymous said...

The Republican Party needs to show some leadership and get rid of the flag. There is nothing "conservative" about keeping the flag. This state has nearly 45% minority population (black, hispanic, asian, etc.) which means Democrats will be within striking distance in future election cycles. If the GOP wants to keep control for much longer they need to start running some moderate candidates statewide in 2019 and rid themselves forever of these hate issues.

Anonymous said...

12:29.....learn to spell if you want to enter an adult conversation. Then come back on jump on the liberal bandwagon. Meanwhile, the chancellor is shopping his resume as far away as Oregon and Vermont.

Anonymous said...

This state has nearly 45% minority population (black, hispanic, asian, etc.) which means Democrats will be within striking distance in future election cycles.

Not in the House or Senate.

Anonymous said...

http://news.olemiss.edu/student-violates-stadium-policy-arrested-alcohol-charges/

The truth sounds less sensational, doesn't it? For future reference, wait for the facts to come out instead of jumping to conclusions like several other online rags.

Anonymous said...


(the truth sounds less sensational, doesn't it?)

Is that the truth ?

Why did it take Vitter & crew four days to respond ?

(Meanwhile, the chancellor is shopping his resume as far away as Oregon and Vermont.)

That's great news !

Those are two states that would be a perfect fit for Vitter.

Anonymous said...

What the hell has any of this got to do with McDaniel? Bennie Thompson abhors the state flag but that's also irrelevant to the thread.

You're almost right, 8:26. "Not Everybody...". That's why each of us has rights. Rights to not display the flag and rights TO display the flag. Right to claim you're offended and the right to not claim offense. Right to be a whiny victim in search of a safe space and right to be a big boy. See how that works?

Anonymous said...


The Constitution also gives the power to the Supreme Court to say what the Constitutional language legally means.
There are limits on freedom speech such as not being able to yell " fire" in a crowded theater when there is no fire. You can't threaten other citizens. Your rights end when they infringe on the rights of your fellow citizens.
There are limits on how you can protest. Or have you not noticed the police on television controlling and arresting protesters who violated the rules of their permitted protest and dealing with non-permitted protesters? Did you not notice candidate's security removing protesters from inside their venues and controlling the protest to areas outside their venues?
You have the right to be wrong and to be ignorant. I just wish you would try to understand why the rule of law is what prevents anarchy.

Anonymous said...

6:50, I haven't seen much of what you posted. I have seen looting, burning, attacks on people, and people killed. It looks like there isn't any law when it comes to protesters.

Anonymous said...

12:54 The school gathered all the facts (kind of like that guy who was "just minding his own business" when that cop punched him at that game last year--what he omitted was the fact that he was drunk, refused to leave his seat when asked, spat on, shoved, and kicked that officer). If I t weren't the truth, why'd the little punk backtrack and delete his videos claiming "censorship" from Facebook?

But, To The Theater Analogy.. said...

So, carrying an 8 inch square piece of cloth into a football stadium is akin (in the eyes of the law) to shouting fire in a crowded theater.

The official state flag, even in miniature sixe, struck fear and anxiety in the hearts of men, women and children. Panic and general mayhem were on the verge of erupting. Fans were trampled under the weight of others who scattered and bolted from the bleachers. Water cannons were at the ready as the constabulary responded quickly to radio calls reciting section and row.

The casually clueless clodhopper who posted the 'theater analogy' is the perfect example of the 'man with a little knowledge being useless'. When you can't even rise to the level of useful-idiot, you have indeed failed.

Anonymous said...

Get over it 12:53. The war is lost. Blacks are free. The flag is not in vogue.

Anonymous said...

Why not just wave that stupid flag at Usm or MSU games? Are they not part of the state too? Wave it at JSU and see how it is welcomed. Get rid of that damn piece of white trash memorabilia. Let it be the rankin county flag.

Role Reversal.. said...

Methinks 3:03 is probably the nephew of the guy, who, in 1963 shouted, "Let them darkies sit in the balcony and shop downtown after 6:30 on Thursday nights. See how welcome their asses are downtown when decent folk are shopping. Get rid of them 'we have rights' cardboard signs. Let those be the Mound Bayou Themes."

Anonymous said...

Would Phil Bryant or Chris McDaniel have said anything different at halftime during the James Meredith crisis? They might quote Ross Barnett verbatim today.

Old Glory's Place In History.. said...

8:26 mentions 'the flag of slavery'. Which one? The one that flew over ships of US Registry that brought slaves to this country? The flag that flew over a nation that embraced slavery long before the Civil War? The flag that flew over the White House when the president said 'Send them all to Haiti'? The flags that flapped from the bow of ships headed for England, laden with cotton? Or the flags that unfurled in gentle breezes as slave ships entered the port of New Orleans in 1855?

No flag of The Confederacy existed back then. I'm just trying to keep these flags separate if you don't mind.

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