Thursday, October 13, 2016

License plate readers are a'coming.

Don't look now because law enforcement might be looking out for you.  Several Jackson metro area police departments are combining their efforts to obtain a grant to fund license plate recognition cameras.  The agenda for the next week's meeting of the PRVWSD Law Enforcement, Asset Protection, and Emergency Management Committee states:


1. A copy of the Memorandum of Understanding between Reservoir Police, Ridgeland Police, Madison Police, Madison County Sheriffs Office, and Flowood Police to create and maintain a network of license plate recognition cameras throughout the collective jurisdictions, to share data collected, and apply for grant funding as a unit to achieve this goal.
Well, it looks like the plate readers are finally going to be here. 

54 comments:

Anonymous said...

Those databases are going to be full of HindsCo plates. No doubt the race profiteers in Jackghanistan will soon call this a civil rights violation.

Anonymous said...


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Anonymous said...

So, how does this jive with the fact that traffic light and radar cameras are illegal in Mississippi? Is this just a backdoor way to slip around that law?

Anonymous said...

So is the purpose to give out tickets?

Anonymous said...

Clinton has had this for years. They ride through parking lots scanning ALL of the tags to see if any of the cars are reported as stolen or if any belong to people with outstanding warrants.

This is different than traffic light cameras because the violation has already occurred. These tag readers are just a tool to find the perp.

The newer readers can read tags as cars drive by. Very welcome upgrade to our law enforcement.

Anonymous said...

The purpose is to erect a virtual wall to keep Jacksonians OUT of our beloved suburbs. As far as I'm concerned a Hinds County plate on a car in Madison County is probable cause for a stop anyway. Hopefully the system is used this way. Might as well deport any of their friends/family living in Rankin/Madison too!

Anonymous said...

there are no such things as "Jackson" plates.....nobody buys tags in Jackson.....especially if the car is new!

Anonymous said...

Remind me again.....conservatives are for limited government and limited government intrusion into our daily lives, correct? I am so confused.

Anonymous said...


3:09 is so miserable, Hinds/Jackson stays on you folks ignorant minds.

Anonymous said...

3:09 is a blatant hate monger, everyone in Hinds County is not a criminal. All the departments listed are predominantly white so of course this is going to be used to to ramp up profiling. I remember as a teenager being pulled over and harassed by deputies at MCSO. DWB is real in

Anonymous said...

Big Brother is here.

Anonymous said...

Driving is a privilege, not a right. You have to have a license and a tag, so don't start the big brother junk.

I do agree, 3:09 is a miserable 1950s throwback.

Anonymous said...

Surely you numbskulls are not laboring under the misimpression that law enforcement surveillance activity is "coming." Um, dear asshats, it is already here in spades. This is simply the latest in a progression of intrusion that has been under way for years and knocked into overdrive following 9/11.

Anonymous said...

These devices are pretty amazing. The plate will be seen as a "snap shot in time" on the monitor, even if the vehicle is traveling at a high rate of speed. If a vehicle is reported stolen or another crime has been committed (and the plate number recorded off the vehicle) then the plate number can be plugged into the system and a search made for it.

Anonymous said...

Put up yer muskets boys....LPR's have been around for at least 10 years. You drive under them every day...

Anonymous said...

I have asked on here before but never got an answer.
Does anyone know what happened to the office downtown that a former mayor knocked the lock off and went in to see the monitors for all of the cameras posted all over town?
From what was reported at the time the cameras could count the change you received at any fast food place in Jackson.
Why don't the Jackson cops use them?

Kingfish said...

You're wrong. Those were the MDOT cameras. He was too stupid to know the difference and thought they could do things they actually couldn't do and started bragging.

Anonymous said...

Will these be stationary cameras on poles or mounted in police cars?

Anonymous said...

Still haven't answered the question. What happened to them? Why aren't they used? Why build something costing the tax payers money then not using them.
From what I remember all the local news stations didn't know what they were either. They reported they were built by the federal govt. Homeland security.

Anonymous said...

These plate cameras are not new tech, they've been around for at least 20 years. They're used a lot on interstates for catching drug runners, kidnappers,....

Anonymous said...

Airborne units have software that basically acts as a DVR for an entire city. A crime is reported (or a bomb goes off) and they rewind the aerial view to the time of the crime, mark the car or person, and then roll the footage forward to follow the car or person wherever they went. It syncs with the LPRs and other cameras around town, so you can get a pretty good view of who it was, what they were wearing/driving, etc., and their current location. Depending on storage and the aircraft's loiter time, you can back the tape up for hours or days to watch all the places the bad guy went (within, say, a ten mile radius).

Don't get me started on what your iPhone is doing (with your permission)...

Anonymous said...

OK, 4:57, since you are too dumb to figure it out for yourself, we'll try again for you. Now......read.....slowly........


Those......were.......MDOT.......cameras....

They.......were.......not.......set........to.......read.......tags.

They......are......used.....to......control......traffic


They.....still.......exist...... and......they.....are.....being.....used.....for......
their.....purpose.......

Different...... program...


Understand......now?

Anonymous said...

This is nothing new, there have been license plate readers all over the state (both permanently fixed and mobile) for several years.

Anonymous said...

The plate readers are no different than an officer running your tag while behind you. This is a great tool for law enforcement to have.

Anonymous said...

Tag readers are not intrusive. Let's have a quick class.

Tag readers get their information from a database that already exists. Now, the reason they can read so many tags at a time, up to and over 200 a minute, is that they are not actually running the tag thru the databases. Rather, they are comparing the tags to a daily snapshot of the databases. The tag readers are updated daily with a record of current tags associated to various crimes. Unpaid tickets, stolen vehicles, wanted persons and the like. The tag readers are monitoring your movements, logging your locations or any of that conspiracy theorist fueled stuff.

If the reader in an officers car goes off all the officer gets is a warning sound and a view of the tag. Trust me, it's a pain to find the vehicle that caused the alarm in heavy traffic.

These readers have been around for a while and one of the posters was correct that they pretty much started with officers working highway/interstate interdiction to help locate vehicles listed as wanted from out-of-state agencies.

The readers are different from the speed trap cameras because tag reader cameras do NOT issue any citations. They just sit there reading hundreds and hundreds of tags waiting on one that already has something associated with it.

Anonymous said...

Will these be used to catch all those who do not follow the law on license plates being placed on cars WHERE THE CAR SPENDS THE NIGHT, not where the company is located. Students are exempted, but not others. If I am mistaken, please advise.

Anonymous said...

I'll smoke what 6:43 is smoking.

Anonymous said...

if u ain't done nothing wrong, it doesn't really matter.

Anonymous said...

COps please pull over everyone with a madison county tag. THat place is full of damn thugs!!!

Anonymous said...

Here's the obvious conundrum (in Jackson).

What good is it to identify a perp on the lam, if you're not allowed to chase him?

If you chase him, people might throw rocks and bricks, just like Tenny Tokes suggested.

Anonymous said...

I recently was privy to a conversation between a restaurant owner and a customer/friend of his. The customer was bragging about his new tag readers and what they can do. Turns out he's a repo man and had two tag readers mounted on his truck. I don't remember the exact cost he quoted for the cameras and software, but there must be a lot of vehicles on the repo data base and finding them must be quite profitable.

Anonymous said...

A good thing to have, wish Jackson Police Dept. had it so they could profile all the white females from daddy little girl to the stay at home wife hanging out in Jackson( the city with SOUL )on the arms of all the black guys.TAKE OFF WORK ONE DAY and ride around Jackson if you got the balls and see for yourself and then do what you do best...

Anonymous said...

Jackson has had License Plate readers since 2008. Hinds County for the past few years, Pearl and Brandon and think followed shortly or a bit before.

Barney Behind The Billboard said...

Big deal. But, I'm always leery of anything that has the acronym PRVWSD attached to it in any way. They've been denied radar for years. They're not a municipality or county....why are they even involved? They are not exactly known for judicious decision making.

Anonymous said...

Interesting my Fusion Center comment was not posted.

Anonymous said...

While I appreciate what the tag readers are capable of....how does this technology help the problem of switching/stealing of tags. Unless it can read VIN numbers of the actual vehicle....its usefulness is limited. Still a step in the right direction, though.

Too bad it can't check for valid insurance.

Anonymous said...

Might wanna watch where you park, or remove your plate when parked.

http://townhall.com/columnists/bobbarr/2016/10/12/ice-agents-shift-focus-from-the-border-to-gun-shows-n2231006

Kingfish said...

For some reason it went into spam. Found it and approved it. You're welcome.

Anonymous said...

All the tag databases loaded in to an LPR system already have a warrant, reported stolen, sex offender or some other violation associated with them. If there is an Amber or Silver Alert and the officer with an LPR receives the license plate of the vehicle in question he can enter it in to the system in his patrol car which greatly assists in his search for the vehicle. These systems can capture a tag image at a 160/180 mph closure rate.

As has been mentioned the systems are pretty slick and if you havent done anything wrong your tag will not be in the system.

Anonymous said...

if u ain't done nothing wrong, it doesn't really matter.

October 13, 2016 at 8:16 PM

It DOES matter. I have the right to be left alone.
Not scanned. If you think that the government will not, or could not, misuse this to track the movements of any and all citizens, you haven't been paying attention. Just another device with the capacity to control the citizens.

Anonymous said...

As several people have already posted, these devices have been in place for quite a few years by Mississippi LEOs. The LPRs are not scary in and of themselves, it is the data that they collect that should be worried about.

I know that Rankin County LEOs have shared LPR data for almost as long as they have had them. There are a mixture of vehicle mounted and pole mounted devices in use, and they do aid in the tracking of missing persons and/or criminals.

Several of these devices and their data helped track the movement of a missing family member's car, and ultimately aided in the apprehension of his murderers. Without these devices, we would have been missing large pieces of a puzzle.

Anonymous said...

9:32. Great. You want to be left alone then stay off the PUBLIC street and highways. Paid for by the government with tax dollars.

If you use your vehicle to do nothing but drive around your compound you don't have to have a tag.

But once you choose to use the public highways you must comply with the laws that are put there to protect us all. Then you must purchase a tag allowing you the privelege of using the public streets.

Why don't you make us all happy and stay inside the walls and moat surrounding your bunker.

Anonymous said...

Looking at our current (and future) government, it is neither paranoia, nor a stretch, to know that the device and data could be cross-indexed with anything.
The list of registered gun owners leaps to mind.
Any time the government tries to convince you that what they are doing is only for your and the public's good, that's when you need to worry.

Anonymous said...

10:04
PUBLIC streets and highways paid for, in part, by the taxes that I pay.
There is no law that allows this intrusion to my privacy.
Keep drinking your koolaid, Asshole.

Anonymous said...

I have no problem with law enforcement having and using an LPR system. Its just another tool in their tool box to catch criminals. If you're worried about it, it might behoove you to make sure all your traffic tickets are paid and there are no warrants out for you. Otherwise you have nothing to be concerned about.

Anonymous said...

Great! Increased tax revenue from expired & out of state tag of residents of MS. Go get them. I hear several employees who brag they just keep out of state tag on vehicle. Been living in MS for 10 years.

Anonymous said...

Idiots that proclaim, "if you ain't done nothing wrong, you got nothing to worry about" clearly cannot see past the end of their nose.

Anonymous said...

11:01 - With roads and streets that were paid for with your taxes ----- and a lot of other people's taxes. Your taxes didn't go very far in the payment for that road and certainly doesn't give you a right to use it only as you see fit. And yes - there are such laws once you decide to use the public property, even though your taxes paid an infinitisemal part of their cost.

Your 'privacy' does not mean that a cop can't look into your car as you drive it. You don't have a right, you have a privlege, to use the road.

And reading your clearly exposed car tag is not an invasion into any privacy. Have you noticed that there is a requirement that you must have your tag clearly displayed on your vehicle? You can't cover it up where it can't be read. How, please tell me, is reading it with a camera any different than my reading it while I follow behind you?

Again - you want your privacy? Let me suggest again that you move your trailer behind a fence and keep your ass behind it.

KaptKangaroo said...

It has been in the surrounding communities for some time now. It is connected nationally as well.

KaptKangaroo said...

And my opine is you drive on a public road, you are subject to the rules of the road. You are very welcome to buy the property adjacent to all roads and lay your own pavement with your rules - otherwise you really cannot argue.

Don't commit a crime, you are a blip on millions of hits. Do something wrong, get caught.

Not sure what the disagreement here is.

Anonymous said...

October 13, 1:14 pm, what's your point? So there's Fusion Centers - 78 of them to be exact - no different than police intelligence units, or data centers run by the private sector for that matter. We are in a big data world and there's really no avoiding it. That doesn't mean I like for agencies or corporations to collect information on me, its just a fact of modern life.

I am very familiar with these systems and know that the threshold for data entry and retrieval in the public sector is based on criminal predication or in the interest of national security, and cannot be used merely for tracking purposes. In the private sector, these systems have debt collection and insurance applications and the folks who are subject to such data collection have agreed to the terms. The public sector and private sector systems do not commingle native data; and the systems, while using similar technology platforms, are querying different databases for different purposes, but that's not to say that the government couldn't make arrangements to purchase or subpoena the data complied by the private sector.

If you don't like fusion centers, call your legislator and defund them, if you don't like these types of systems, get educated and request the agency's data retention and privacy policies and petition against their use - don't just complain anonymously.

Anonymous said...

Question for 5:54 & 8:08:
Do you have any problem at all with the massive collection of data on all citizens? Does it bother you that all your emails, phone calls, text messages, gps locations have been secretly collected by the gov't and stored?
This is just one more way to track the citizens movements.
Does that not bother you, just a little? Do you really think that if a regime comes to power that wants to abuse the wealth of data, you will be able to stop it?
Do you think the founding fathers would have approved of this? I don't.
Sheep, every one of you, and you'll bleat the loudest as you are led to the slaughter.

exjxnres said...

Criminals usually don't buy license plates, they usually drive stolen cars with stolen plates, or expired plates, or plates from out of state. I hope the plate scanners help, but I know they will never catch all the criminals. There are just too many and new ones popping up every day.

Anonymous said...

Damn 4:35 - you must be on to something. If all this information has been "SECRETLY COLLECTED" by the government and stored, how did you find out that it was being done? Evidently you are way too smart for them, or it really wasn't a secret, or it really isn't being done.

But to answer your question - no it doesn't bother me that the government is collecting the information that they actually do. Would I rather not file a tax return with information included that is required? Probably, but its really not an objection to the information they collect but instead with the check that is being attached.

I don't think that information, or anything else that is being collected, is being done to 'track the citizens'. But I am sure they have some special equipment that can read the reflections off of your tin-foil hat to keep track of you.

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