Jackson Jambalaya

Good Data points KF.
Looks likes their a correlation between rental houses & crime.
More rental houses more crime.

I am pretty sure that the exodus from Jackson has nothing to do with crime, deteriorating infrastructure, incompetent government executives, or corruption.

Right? Right? Bueller?

So rich and vibrant.

On a macro level, this looks about right. But having dealt with the census people in the past, I would not put much reliance on the details. Given the housing starts in Ridgeland and Clinton over the last decade, there is no way those towns did not pick up residents. Multiple entire neighborhoods were built during that period. I'd bet both grew about 5% which would be a couple of thousand people. Not familiar with Byram, but they probably grew also. There is no doubt Jackson's population declined.

Let's get the people stirred up on the high end of the market for a change. Madison vs Flowood....what's up with the huge rental population in Flowood and how do you think that will turn out?

Are there any houses in Ridgeland? All I ever see are malls and restaurants and apartments. Where are the neighborhoods?

Purely anecdotal, but the primary reason most people I know left Jackson? Schools.

People with a modicum of intelligence, young children and disposable income are leaving Jackson like sand through a sieve. And as long as Jackson (and Canton) continue to elect leadership that values color over competence, this will continue to be the trend.

BTW, you pointed out Byram's population stagnation. Development market for building new subdivisions in Byram dried up shortly after it incorporated. If the leadership there changes to match Jackson and Canton, as I suspect it will next election, look for their numbers to drop.

The worse news is that it's not just that the upper and middle classes are leaving when they can. It's that the only influx into Jackson are the rural destitute bringing more dependence and crime. They obviously wouldn't stop here if they were upwardly mobile. In it's own way Jackson IS becoming a sanctuary city.

Also, in much of Jackson, home ownership does not represent an investment but a burden, a stone around your neck to keep you here when you want to leave. If they could sell for a reasonable price the population would be much less.

as Kim Wade would say "Jackson, Ms where the cost of living is going up and the chances or living are going down"

In the end, all that will be left in Jackson will be the peons and their
pimps. And the pimps won't really live there, they'll just have Jackson addresses.

I'd be real surprised to see any growth in ANY canton figures other than the trailer park where the illegals live, and although it's in the epicenter of west-Canton, it's legally in the County.

Canton is on perfect par with Jackson in several respects, chief among them, the school system. Now both Jitneys have shut down. But, on a positive note, there continues to be growth in the pawn shop and tin-can recycling industries and places that sell ribs and fried chicken are said to be adding personnel.

Sixty years ago Canton was a showplace of a little town, much prettier than Jackson with street after street of stately home and fine downtown stores.

Let's have a contest.....WHAT HAPPENED?

@11:32

You are so right. If I could do better than breaking even on the sale of my home, I would be gone in a heartbeat.

A real count of people as the Census use to do would show an much greater loss of population. Jackson is truly a lost cause. I also remember when more multi-family housing was a formal policy of Ridgeland for it was cheaper to provide services. Also key leaders were developers of apartments.

Leaving out that ever-relevant Raymond data as usual.

How could anyone rent in Jackson?

It's not like moving out of some dead Delta town. There are cheap apartments in safer, cleaner communities with decent (or at least much less bad) schools literally 15 minutes in any direction. You don't have to change your job, your bank, your church, anything.

All you have to do is give notice and schedule one weekend to move, and you're essentially in a different, more prosperous country.

@12:19

Have you seen the rents in places outside of Jackson? They are abnormally high to keep as much of the riff-raff out as possible. The market does not support the excessively high rents in the tri-county area. They are simply artificially inflated to keep a certain type of clientele out.

Is this at all surprising? Mississippi's population shrank too. Jackson is Mississippi's largest city. Over 50% of everyone 35 and under has already left the state, never to return. Oh, but the problem is only Jackson and growth in the suburbs means the macro picture is just dandy. Uh huh.

If you look at Flowood's "footprint," you will see that most of the currently developed property is commercial with low residential. Likewise, it also has apartment complexes which can account for a significant population count.

11:06 is just another typical reader of this blog who has no clue how to search for a city limits map and then interpret the map. Why don't you do your own research instead of asking others to do it for you? Lazy, lazy, lazy. I see it on this blog all the time.

12:26 - Conspiracy theory doesn't apply to rent. The market dictates rent. Markets where you can be assured of some basic public infrastructure and safety are worth more and therefore cost more. Primary reason is because people will pay it. It has nothing to do with keeping anyone out. If people suddenly found Jackson to be a better place to live, then rent would increase as supply couldn't meet demand. It's pretty fundamental...

Over 50% of everyone 35 and under has already left the state, never to return.

Link? Put up.

Well, for those of us old enough not to have children to educate here in the city, I’d say that in the nicer neighborhoods Jackson is not a bad place to be. At all! The potholes slow traffic nicely, there is still a small-town grocery store (McDade’s, yes, even with its new limitations), and, well, just a general sense of a “there there.” When we visit friends in the fancied-up former cow pasture of Madison County, we are nicely impressed by the McMansions (yes, talkin’ ‘bout you, Bridgewater) but feel so happy to return to our comfortable house in a neighborhood with actual history, old-growth trees, and proximity to the medical corridor.

It is good to be closer to the medical corridor considering how high the odds are of violence in Jackson.

One of the keys to Madison's success is that doesn't allow multi-family apartments. Ridgeland, Clinton and Jackson are overrun with them, and how has that worked out for them?

3:40. Clinton is #8 of 30 Mississippi cities with over 5k population

https://www.theclintoncourier.net/2019/02/11/clinton-one-of-the-safest-places-to-live-in-mississippi-for-2019/

madison-1, brandon-3, ridgeland-10

all four of these places are perfectly fine to live in.

https://www.nsparc.msstate.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Mississippi-Population-Fact-Sheet.pdf

He won't like this. You know, facts that prove his hysterical constant bleat is bull.

@11:30 what neighborhoods in Ridgeland since 2010? Bridgewater has had growth. So has the Township. The Enclave (NE of the Northpark) is brand new.

But that is not a lot of growth.

And many of their crime issues are centered on their apartment complexes @3:54. Don't believe me, talk to their local LEOs. If Ridgeland could get rid of the apartments bordering or near Jackson they would.

The one constant,

Good republican leadership has not lost population. Brandon, Flowood, Ridgeland and Madison and Clinton.

Liberal Democrat give away leadership- the town is evaporating.

Eat it D's. Your policies are garbage and the results match.

The numbers leaving Jackaon are not balanced by the modest increases in the suburbs. That means thousands of people are leaving Jackson and leaving the state. That's not good for anyone.

Everybody is going to interpret this data based on where ever they have cast their lot. Bottom line is that the state is a hell hole and the metro area as a whole is not growing. We just keep moving from spot to spot on a map. Today's hot growth suburb will be tomorrow's Ridgeland or Byram.

If you can possibly avoid keeping up with the politics and you are lucky enough to have reliable water and don't have young children to send to school, Jackson has some great places to live, work and dine. But it certainly has its challenges.

@4:56, what’s your reasoning behind the state losing population despite being an alt right stronghold and many of the most liberal states gaining population? Do you think that conservative policies only produce results when at the city level or smaller?

Look at all of the towns KF referenced in his article. Call that the "metro area". Add up the figures, it appears there was a net decrease in population.

NOBODY under 40 is moving to the metro area. NOBODY. We can shift from place to place, but the "whole" is in decline as the older folks slowly die off and nobody replaces them. The numbers KF cited will look very similar for the next two decades.

Expect the same thing for the state population in the coming decades.

5:39....I think we need to get away from over simplifying the debate as one of "right" vs "left" politics. There are forces at work beyond just politics.

I don't think ANY political moves can offset the damage of 100 years of keeping a third of our population down....keeping them poor, uneducated and resentful. We are driving down the road arguing about whether to go left or right and not acknowledging that we are pulling a 20 ton trailer with no tires. In a race with 50 cars, this state has no chance to finish better than 50th. Our educated kids know that.

"Expect the same thing for the state population in the coming decades."

I wouldn't be too sure about that 5:42.

Apparently you missed the National Democratic debates this week.

Now that the kid is gone, we are seriously thinking about moving downtown. It's boring out here in Gluckstadt and the Uber prices to Foundren/downtown are too much.

To the refugees in Madison, Clinton, Pearl, etc. Jackson is a hellhole and they live in superior communities with dynamic futures. To the young educated elite and residents of other more prosperous states (about 49 of 'em) it's all one big hellhole and why bother trying to pick and choose. Stay out. But it makes you feel better to know you escaped Jackson. Right?

@6:47, I agree there is reason to be optimistic that we may once again have competent leadership at the federal level in the near future. Things may be too far gone by that point, but we can always pray that someone with a good heart and the ability to unite us all can right this sinking ship.

Even a left of center Democrat can recognize that over building rental properties results in landlords who must accept federal subsidies to keep the units filled and that quickly spills over into the rented single unit homes. I don't understand how supposedly intelligent leaders are unable to recognize that situation and avoid it but they do and I have recognized it in Tupelo for many years. Once a few middle class neighborhood homes are rented with federal subsidies the entire neighborhood quickly becomes a slum.

The growth in Madison is due to Mary's annexations of now-West Madison.

"One of the keys to Madison's success is that doesn't allow multi-family apartments."

Here, lemme help you with that sentence...

"One of the keys to Madison's success is that it doesn't allow apartments."

Jackson had around 204,000 people in 1980.Then the exodus to the suburbs began when the Madison/Rankin County schools became better and the interstates were widened to make the commute even easier. And the leadership in Jackson did nothing to stop this from happening.

The so-called leadership of Mississippi has always refused to deal with the stark reality: Population growth and/or reduction in Mississippi communities is only a reshuffling of the same old deck, there is no real gain. The communities around Jackson basically just siphon off Jackson and Jackson just siphons off the rural Delta and other poverty stricken areas of Mississippi. It's a zero sum gain as the intelligent and talented avoid the whole state like the plague. The leadership maintain their power by keeping the ignorant masses staring at each other and not noticing the whole world passing them by.
"We must protect Mississippi values" and such bullshit while falling further behind the surrounding states who compete with each other instead of chewing on their own leg.

The homicides alone probably add one percentage point.

When Habitat for Humanity announces that they are no longer restoring or building Habitat Homes in the midcity or midtown as they did with their announcement of beginning a 100-lower middle class restoration in north Fondren you know it’s tough. Thank goodness for a few churches and organizations like Operation Shoestring and Stewpot Ministry.

https://www.sunherald.com/news/local/article160319324.html

Lots of talk and whining 9:15 AM. What should the "so-called leadership" have done differently?

The state's leaders must be doing just what the majority of voters want. The question is how soon will that change.

Habitat could not get volunteers to travel to the middle of Jackson.

They are hoping the volunteers will travel to Broadmoor/Chastain area.

Rod at 5:30 It will change when the majority becomes sophisticated enough to
know when they are being screwed.

@1:27, it’s a shame that people like you get triggered so easily instead of being willing to have a conversation. Sometimes listening to opposing viewpoints can improve your own understanding. No need to take your ball and go home.

No; Thousands are not leaving the state. Other than the regular whiners on here claiming their recently graduated scholar left here for good, where's the evidence that people have left the state? People move around. People move to the coast. People move to Desoto County. People move anywhere other than to the Delta, Holmes or Hinds Counties.

And as soon as Crawford can get the notion of income equality and capitalism to catch on in Holmes, there will be a tremendous influx there too.

The numbers seem obvious 11:21.

https://www.alumni.msstate.edu/s/811/alumni/interior.aspx?sid=811&gid=1&pgid=851

1/3 of MSU alumni live outside of Mississippi. Have you seen factual numbers that indicate otherwise?