Monday, March 8, 2021

It's the Gun Show's Fault

 WJTV "investigated" whether gun shows contribute to the spiraling violence in Jackson: 

 

Has JPD EVER shown a gun used in a crime came from a gun show?   Jackson politicians and police chiefs repeat the claim that gun shows are responsible for crime in Jackson. Why didn't WJTV press JPD to provide some actual evidence to back up its claim?  Given Jackson's fondness for blaming gun shows, wouldn't the Mayor or the Chief have some actual statistics about guns purchased at gun shows being used to commit crime?

The "investigation" has other flaws.  Why didn't WJTV  talk to the ATF or other law enforcement officials about gun show regulations? Why didn't the story state what the regulations are?  Better yet, why didn't WJTV try to purchase a gun undercover at the gun show?  Viewers could have seen for themselves whether it is easier to avoid background checks and other at gun shows.  

The headline states "12 News Investigates: Are gun shows contributing to culture of violence." Unfortunately, the story never actually meets the headline.  

 

40 comments:

Anonymous said...

No- it’s the guns’ fault-

Anonymous said...

Is WJTV owned by Gannett? Serious question.

reximus said...

I went to a gun show at the new trade mart shortly after Christmas because my son and his friend wanted to go. The prices I saw were even more jacked up than usual. I legit saw a Taurus PT 92 marked at $1750. I doubt Jackson’s criminal element is willing to throw that kind of money around.

Anonymous said...

At the end, this great investigative reporter notes that "the price of ammo has as much as tripled" over the past year.

So what? The price of lumber has almost quadrupled over the same time period. Its called a shortage. Its called demand. Yes, ammo is in great demand, and the quantity of production can't meet it, so the price goes up. Lumber did the same thing when the mills shut down for COVID, and then the forest fires out west increased the shortage. So the price doubled, then tripled, and is still rising.

Great investigative 'journalism" here. Nothing about any gun from any gun show being used in any crime in Jackson, either the homocides or the routine robberies or house invasions. Ammo cost has not slowed down the gang violence (oh, thats right, JPD doesn't acknowledge that gangs might be involved, but what the hell, I'll go with it anyway) or the domestic violence. (Archie can afford it if it comes to shots rather than blows, he has his county salary less his hotel room to spend on ammo.)

Anonymous said...

I’ve not seen any vice lords or crips at a gun show. Most of the guns used in street violence are stolen. And not from gun shows. Just another way to blame white people.

Anonymous said...

Those who don’t want to reckon with the causes of crime won’t find them. Good post Kingfish. You are asking the right questions.

Anonymous said...

Jade’s introduction to the story does not seem correct. She states that with Mississippi being an open carry state your firearm does not have to be hidden, but you have to have a permit. A bill was passed in 2016 that makes MS a constitutional-carry state. Carry is legal open or concealed as long as the firearm is holstered. It would be a good follow-up for WJTV to find out how many gun crimes are committed with stolen guns vs. legally owned guns, but that won’t fit the media’s anti-gun narrative.

Anonymous said...

What do facts have to do with anything? We have a narrative to foist off as truth.

Anonymous said...

I know a guy whose grandson is a journalism major at Florida State. The grandson said that the instructors openly stated that facts have nothing to do with writing the story.

Anonymous said...

the jackson gun show is half thugs and half rednecks so y'all are ignorant to say it's impossible that guns aren't being bought by the thugs and used in the crimes.

but, as KF pointed out, it's a fair question to say at least list one gun used in a homicide bought at a gun show

Anonymous said...

Amazing. Been to numerous gun shows over the years. It seems there are fewer gun shows than there use to be. The shows I did attended were filled with more families than what you would assume the criminal element. My son and I enjoyed looking at guns and all the new hunting equipment. I would like to know if Chuck has attended any of these gun shows and if he noticed the crowd and what percentage of guns being sold compared to jewelry, hunting equipment, seed for food plots and four wheelers. Yep, seems to me ole Chuck is looking for another excuse for his incompetence. ie, global roaming for the current water issues. The good mayor has an excuse for about any problem. Just ask him.

Anonymous said...

The devils right hand

Anonymous said...

Why would a thug ever buy a gun via legal means at a public gun show? Just steal one.

7:39, I would hardly call a person at a gun show a thug simply because he is black. If I was black and lived in Jackson, I'd be buying guns every time the gun show came to town. That doesn't make me a thug. It makes me a constitutionalist.

Kingfish said...

The prices at gun shows are ridiculous. Local stores, and of course online stores, are much cheaper. The internet has kille gun shows. They used to be fun but not so much anymore.

Anonymous said...

(1) 7:30 - If, as you say, the story says you have to have a permit, that would be inaccurate.

(2) I have no idea how many thugs, hoodlums and punk-ass criminals (if any) attend these 'pay to enter' gun shows. But, if I were to purchase a firearm at one of these gun shows, I'd be hesitant to walk through the parking lot (with it) on the way back to my vehicle knowing I could not be armed with a weapon holding ammunition if I had just walked out of the venue. Seems I'd be low-hanging fruit if I did.

(3) Also, I rarely see anything mentioned about the regularly held gun show at the masonic lodge down on interstate 55 south of Jackson. Is that put on by the same people? Must be big business since these events occur so often 'round here.

Anonymous said...

Jamie. Bitch boy.

Kingfish said...

Welcome back, Melvin. Feel free to post under your name now. It will be approved.

Anonymous said...

The right to keep and bear arms, including concealed weapons, was written into the Mississippi Constitution in 1817. It's still there.

"The right of every citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person, or property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question, but the Legislature may regulate or forbid carrying concealed weapons."

Miss. Const. Ann. Art. 3, § 12.

Anonymous said...

Law enforcement will tell you most of those guns come from unlocked vehicles in Rankin & Madison county.

Anonymous said...

Sure as shootin' I'll probably see you there! I never saw her.

smart_a said...

I haven't been to a gun show in probably 30 years, so perhaps things have changed a bit (but I doubt it): The demographic profile of gun show attendees is starkly different than that of the predominant demographic committing violent crime in Jackson. So unless the people with rebel flags in the back windows of their pickup trucks leave the gun show and sell those guns on the street to the other demographic, I am pretty sure that gun shows are NOT the reason for spiraling violence in Jackson.

Anonymous said...

Law enforcement will tell you most of those guns come from unlocked vehicles in NE Jackson, Fondren and Belhaven.

Anonymous said...

This nation is just one live-streamed mass school shooting away from supporting a full out Assault Weapons Ban. And nobody on the 2A side is able to give a coherent reason to oppose an AWB. Trust me, you cant sell “it’s a constitutional right, don’t need a good reason” to Sally Soccer Mom and Joe Six Pack. We used to own slaves and make children work in factories until those “rights” were abolished.

Anonymous said...

This alleged "investigative" report shows that Walt Grayson's pieces are the only thing worth watching on WJTV News.

StarRider said...

If the gun show is taking place on private property the landowner (or their agent) can set the conditions for carry, they can completely prohibit firearms, or allow concealed carry but not open carry, or anything in between. Walmart is one of the places at present that frowns on open carry, and when I was at Forrest General Hospital in Hattiesburg recently they had a sign at the door that seemed to say that firearm carry was prohibited unless you had a permit. The irony of all this is that anyone who has no compunction about committing crimes punishable by long stretches in prison probably doesn't give much of a shit about a "No Firearms" sign.

The attorney general issued an opinion some years ago about open carry that's very interesting:

"3. Can law enforcement approach an individual carrying a visible firearm and ask for identifying information that would allow a criminal history check to see if that person is a convicted felon?

*3 ANSWER: We read your question to be whether a law enforcement officer may ask for (not require) identifying information. A law enforcement officer may certainly ask for the information. However, the individual is not required to provide it. As stated by the U.S. Supreme Court in Florida v. Royer, 460 U.S. 491 (1983):
*3 law enforcement officers do not violate the Fourth Amendment by merely approaching an individual on the street or in another public place, by asking him if he is willing to answer some questions, by putting questions to him if the person is willing to listen, or by offering in evidence in a criminal prosecution his voluntary answers to such questions. [citations omitted]. * * * The person approached, however, need not answer any question put to him; indeed, he may decline to listen to the questions at all and may go on his way.
*3 Id. at 497.
*3 To be clear, the mere fact that a person is openly carrying a weapon, without anything more, does not give the officer grounds to detain that person, or to require him to submit to questioning. For further discussion of an officer's authority to briefly detain persons based upon reasonable suspicion of criminal activity, as well as traffic stops and community care-taking functions, please see Appendix A, attached hereto."

Anonymous said...

If a ban of all gun shows and gun shops was implemented within a 250 mile radius of Jackson, I promise you the crime rate and murder rate will not change one iota. Fact. That can answer your question of whether or not the gun shows are to blame. Who was to blame before the gun shows were around and who will be to blame when they're gone for the culture of violence?? The 1st step to correcting a problem is correctly identifying it. We lack that ability as a society, so it will not change except to only get worse. Another fact.

Anonymous said...

This nation is just one live-streamed mass school shooting away from supporting a full out Assault Weapons Ban.

This comment betrays your ignorance on the subject.

Anonymous said...

10:20 I'd hate the fact 8:46 is right, but he is. The left is already using everything in its power to make progress toward taking away our rights based on the Capitol riot of January 6th. You think they wouldn't move things into overdrive following another school shooting? I say, offer something to prove him wrong.

“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before.”
- Rahm Emanuel (spokesperson for the Left)

Anonymous said...

10:20 & 11:20
You are both missing something very important in 8:46’ s comment and that is live-streaming.
I am guessing you didn’t see the NZ mosque shooters livestream because it happened on the other side of the planet while Americans were asleep. That gave the digital overlords time to take the video down.
When it happens here they will leave the video available for MAXIMUM exposure.

Anonymous said...

It would be nice if the police or prosecutors released the original source of guns used in crimes. I’d be very interested to find out their chain of ownership. I assume most are straw purchases from the local gun dealers.

Anonymous said...

CJ and Therese are probably the only TV Newsers we can rely on these days to be thorough and ask more than surface level questions.

Anonymous said...

I miss the gun show commercials from the late 80's/early 90's.

Every week before a show, this hot chick in camo would
pump a shotgun shell into the chamber, smile at the camera and say:

" Sure as shoot'n, I'll probably see you there".


JT said...

It seems to me that WJTV is merely doing its job. And every news organization CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, and CNNs job right now is to push the democrats agenda that no one can be trusted with a gun. Just look a the new laws the dems are trying to push down America’s throats right now. It’s always the evil gun that kills, not the person pulling the trigger. Gun crimes that often put people in jail for a long time has turned into catch and release mainly because statistics show most of those crimes are committed by people of color. I have an ideal let’s get back to putting people who commit crimes with a gun in jail for life. No parole! Gun crimes would plummet if the criminals knew they would never be free to do again.

Anonymous said...

8:11 - Law enforcement doesn't know a hoot in hell where guns used in crimes come from and don't care.

Anonymous said...

" This alleged "investigative" report shows that Walt Grayson's pieces are the only thing worth watching on WJTV News. "

Very true.

I'm so glad Walt is still on the air !


Anonymous said...

This was a awfully lazy piece on her part. Just poorly done.
Based on the social media reactions to it, the piece was universally ridiculed.

Anonymous said...

Do the gun shows not require you to be a Licensed Firearms Dealer, to have a booth? I don’t know a single FFL that would risk their license and sell a gun without doing a background check on the buyer. The ATF would eat the dealer’s lunch. And, most gun owners are not going to willingly sell to someone they don’t trust. That’s the damn truth. Someone already said it, but most of the crime guns in Jackson come from unlocked vehicles.

Anonymous said...

Quoting Kingfish: The prices at gun shows are ridiculous. Local stores, and of course online stores, are much cheaper.

Yep - Academy can advertise 9mm pistolas for six bucks, but, when there are NO guns in the gun cases (at any store), you can make the price as cheap as you want. And when was the last time you tried to order a pistol 'online'? Or ammo, for that matter.

Anonymous said...

"...when was the last time you tried to order a pistol 'online'? Or ammo, for that matter."

You must not try very hard.

Anonymous said...

@4:29
visit gun.deals for your best prices on everything. Palmetto State pays to advertise there because they haven’t been the cheapest retailer in 6 years.

Today’s prices are all quadruple what they were between 2016 and 2020 back when I bought everything I wanted. I am glad too because 2020 was the year I stocked up all the computer parts before their prices doubled and now tripled!

Now I am debating selling my ammo and graphics card for huge profits!


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