It appears the Governor and Secretary of State have a bit of a gentlemen's disagreement over early voting. Governor Tate Reeves announced on Facebook today he would veto any early voting legislation that came across his desk:
I will do everything in my power to ensure every ballot legally cast in the 2020 election in Mississippi gets counted—no matter how long it takes.But based on what I see in other states today, I will also do everything in my power to make sure universal mail-in voting and no-excuse early voting are not allowed in MS—not while I’m governor! Too much chaos. Only way it’d happen is if many Republican legislators override a veto!
However, Secretary of State Michael Watson sang a different song for the Washington ____ yesterday:
Mississippi was among five states — all Republican strongholds — that refused to expand early voting access during the pandemic. The state allows no early voting and has strict requirements for absentee ballots, but seeing Tuesday’s turnout, the Mississippi secretary of state said the legislature may have to reexamine early voting and the possible addition of precincts across the state. (The article is written by Sarah Fowler so excuse the histrionics.).
“I think it’s time for that discussion,” said Secretary of State Michael Watson (R). “Across the country, if you see some of the numbers, you look at the research, I don’t think it traditionally aids either side. The rules are the same, as long as it’s a level playing ground and people understand the rules going into it, I think it’s a discussion the legislature should have.” Rest of article.
Kingfish note: The article was very slanted. It promoted the concept of early voting as the gospel truth. No attempt was made to report any arguments against early voting. Since Ms. Fowler can't seem to look at two sides of the same coin, JJ will do it for you. Here are some reasons against early voting.
Some races such as the 2016 Presidential race have their share of ebbs and flows.
* Events can take place in the last few weeks of an election that can cause people to change their minds. Suppose you are an oil worker in Louisiana, Texas, or...... Pennsylvania. Mr. Biden's comments about fossil fuels might make you change your mind. If you already voted, tough luck.
* Reporting of early voting is used to influence "Election Day" voters. XXXX voters in Democrat precincts voted, XXXX voters in GOP precincts voted. Based on this count, we can estimate XYZ candidate has a lead that will be hard to beat. That can do more damage than bad polling as people will treat it as more solid evidence than regular polling.
* Early voting affects primaries, especially when candidates drop out. Votes cast for candidates no longer in the race hurt the interests of such voters. Their vote no longer counts.
One example is New York. Conservative Party candidate ran first, Democrat second, and GOP third. Republican dropped out but Democrat won. Republican's voters couldn't vote for the Conservative Party (likely choice) or the Democrat. Their votes were didn't count. Did early voting protect their interests? No.
* Early voting protects incumbents and candidates that have a pile of cash. Incumbents usually have a nice-sized war chest of dough. The challenger usually has to watch his money and will make his ad buys close to the election. The better financed candidate gets his message out much earlier, thus influencing early voting. That might not mean a big deal in the big races but when in smaller, local races, that is a huge deal.
* Ballot integrity. It's easy to hire poll watchers and watch the votes for Election Day. The potential for fraud rises and becomes much harder to detect for early voting. There is no such thing as voter fraud. Oh really? Larita Stokes' election had to be repeated thanks to election day shenanigans. Canton has been the scene of numerous cases of election fraud. My favorite was when one election commissioner got caught taking ballot boxes home with her while they were being counted. Another was throwing all the affidavit and absentee ballots out because they cited bogus addresses or vacant lots. Don't forget the Hattiesburg Mayoral election a few years ago. That had to be repeated as well. Did I mention Ike Brown?
It's nice to see a Governor saying no to a bad idea that just happens to feel good and is the "in" thing. Hopefully our other statewide leaders will take the same stand.
54 comments:
Early voting in person is ok. Anything by mail or online voting is a pandora box!
Tate Reeves against a commons sense idea that has broad public support...sounds familiar.
Early voting by depositing the ballot in a secure container at the court house is very safe and reliable; US mail...not so much.
Tater needs to "think outside the box."
There should be no early voting of any type for any reason. Period. If you can't make it to the polls on election day - tough. If voting is that important to you, you will find a way, make a way. I'm tired of all these wimpy, crybaby reasons for needing to vote at a time other than election day. We are on the fast track to voting on cell phones, and when that happens we will deserve what we get - invalid results.
HELL NO!
Freaking election comes around once every 4 years for president and the rest of the bunch. Get your ass up and go vote. PERIOD!
God the Greatest Generation would be sick at what this country has devolved into. A bunch of pussies.
I agree with 4:04. Early voting one week before would be great.
if you are over 65 you can absentee vote for any reason.
If you are going to be "out of the county on Election Day" you can vote absentee. Which means you can plan to cross over to Hinds, Madison or Rankin Counties on the interstate and you will be "out of the county on election day."
Who's the pussy: the person who wants voting to enter the 21st century or the person who gets triggered by the idea? Once again the crowd that talks about "snowflakes"and "pussies" is doing the whining.
Tater was wrong about the flag as well.
4:31pm is right. There are three valid options already in place in MS. Michael Watson as usual is wrong. How does he have time for anything other than carrying Chris McDaniel’s piss bucket around?!?
I propose internet voting. Each voter would have a unique identifying number and could log onto a website/app ran by the SOS office that would direct them to their digital precinct.
I would never even think of such a thing in normal times, but the pandemic has us all thinking out of the box. But, hey! Look at the bright side. B.S. could shake us down for an over inflated lucrative government contract several times over. Talk about a poll tax.
Anyway—there’s my idea that would never fly. It makes too much sense.
Tate is just appealing to his base. A shrinking and increasingly ignorant base.
Tate called in all favors to stop medical marijuana. And it’s got 70% of the vote. His smack talk has lost its smack.
I am 80 years old and can not stand in line for an extended period. Think about this -- we had good weather this election period, but that is not guaranteed. The right to vote does not mean standing in a long line, Which many can not do. Tate got my vote this time, but never again. He is an idiot.
"I am 80 years old and can not stand in line for an extended period. Think about this -- we had good weather this election period, but that is not guaranteed. The right to vote does not mean standing in a long line, Which many can not do. Tate got my vote this time, but never again. He is an idiot."
I do understand everything you're saying. And I agree.
My Mom lived to age 95 and insisisted upon voting until she was 94.
I have many disagreements with Governor Reeves myself.
Tate is a lot of things, but an "idiot" is not one of them.
IMO Tate's only trying to reduce voter fraud.
If both parties would act like adults, (this issue you are rightfully upset about) . . . could be solved at a lunch at the Mayflower or a few drinks at the Sun n' Sand.
But those days are long gong.
Why does Mississippi have such a hard time with progressing and moving forward? Imagine living in Wisconsin or Minnesota and having to stand in a line to vote; you'd freeze to death.
When we start to elect younger politicians, surely we will move into the 21st century. It's 2020, and we're still standing in a freaking line to vote. I don't stand in line at the bank; I do all my banking electronically.
@4:31
The greatest generation are the one’s voting early because they are old and in nursing homes.
I voted by mail when I was fighting a war in the Middle East.
Sir (5:32) My mother was born in 1922
She votes in each election, I call Hinds County & they send an application to VOTE BY MAIL.
You fill out & sign, send it in, a few days latter you get your Ballot/vote/
sign and Mail...................
OR if over 65, U can got to court house & vote in Person, usually about 28 days thur the Saturday before the election (if on a Tuesday).
Here’s the thing about ole Tater and the flag....by ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY REFUSING to take a stand on arguably the biggest event in the history of MS, he’s managed to piss of EVERYBODY. He’s pissed of those like me who realized that we needed a new flag and he’s pissed off those who believed him when he said “We will vote on the flag”. Nice job, Tater. Well done!
@5:32pm - You’ll probably die of covid before you get an another opportunity to vote against tatur tott
My kid just tested positive. Now my whole family has to quarantine for the next 2 weeks. The kids, my wife and I have to be at home for 14 days and our income will be way down. Who gives a sh#t about mail-in voting? Asking for a friend. #everydaymississippians
5:32. I would think in your 80 years on this earth you would have figured out that you can go to the courthouse and vote absentee. You want to complain that you can’t wait in line, but there is an easy solution for you. Stop trying to be a victim.
No mail in voting at all! I don’t trust the post office with anything.
Early voting makes too much sense for this state.
Tate was wrong on medical marijuana and is wrong on early voting. The MS Legislature can either address early voting or Mississippians will address it with an initiative.
The Constitution does not designate a specific day for holding elections. However, it says states can choose the “Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives,” subject to the right of Congress to “make or alter” those state rules. In 1845, the 28th Congress set “the Tuesday next after the first Monday in the month of November” as the date for states to appoint presidential electors.
In 1872, the 42nd Congress aligned House elections with presidential elections by scheduling them for “the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November” starting in 1876 and “in every second year thereafter.” In 1914, the 63rd Congress aligned popular election of Senators with the biennial House elections.
So why then are courts allowing states to hold elections on any day (or even multiple days) other than the one designated by Congress?
I’m with Tate on this one. Avoid the crap show happening in other states as we speak.
It is the most important civic duty that citizens have. It should be treated as such and any effort to simplify it to the point that it is too easy to vote, meaning log in our your iPhone and cast vote, it will be ripe for fraud. It should be intentional and an effort put into casting your ballot. Exceptions should be made for sick or those that will be out of town.
If the one thing that can be discerned by this election is that the media is a farce and they are as guilty as OJ Simpson, yet they get a pass. I don't trust any of them; NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox or MSNBC. They are all whores.
If your elections have a sense of impropriety then there is NO confidence, and if there is no confidence, there will be no peace.
For the sake of any candidate Republican or democrat; they should be able to run a race, put all they have into their campaign and expect a fair result.
Good night
I’m 100% with Tate and KF on this one
Y'all going to rue the day you let Watson have a seat at the table. How soon we forget.
"Tate is appealing to his base"? Just who/what the hell is Tate's base?
If you stood in line for three hours Tuesday, you'd not be calling people snowflakes who don't want to repeat that madness.
Not all playing fields are level, Secretary Watson. Consider a dirt-bike venue, or a corn-hole platform (Gawd, I wish they'd call them something else), or even a mumbly-peg area.
I'm not in favor of mail-in voting like the sort we are seeing in some states. However, I have to believe we have the technology in 2020 to come up with a reasonable and secure way for people to vote other than by standing in long lines on a single day.
We file tax returns by mail and electronically. And that involves billions of dollars. A better way to do elections exists if the politicians would let competent people come up with a solution.
A few posts by ole Tate came up on my social media feed over the last couple of weeks. He is simply getting some terrible advice. He needs to do a Joe Biden for about 6 months and just disappear and stay off of social media. That's his best path to re-election.
There are several simple ways to make it easier to vote with the system we have. For starters, you could make the absentee application (not the ballot of course) available to download online to mail in to your circuit clerk, rather than requiring it be mailed to you. You could also just require a witness signature (or 2), rather than requiring a notary for said application. No other state in America requires you to get a notary twice to vote by mail.
You right the legislators better address early voting. Are it will be on the ballot and it will pass. Heck we may not need a legislative body in 10 years. The days of a governor saying I am against or we will study it are OVER!
I challenge those of you who oppose voting by mail to identify just one race anywhere in the country is which the results were changed by fraudulent voting by mail.
Tate Reeves put it on the ballot Governor, won’t make the hard decisions. Just let the people decide.
@10:00 pm - How are the other states a crap show when GA, PA, and AZ all have well into the 90's of precincts reporting? Because it is a close election in those states? Mississippi is only reporting 84% of precincts thus far. It is easy to declare Mississippi for Trump since anything that has an R next to it will win, no matter their actual political beliefs. We are the only state that required in person voting with few exceptions and no early voting, yet we still have one of the lowest vote reporting percentages in the country. Not that there is anything wrong with taking the time to make sure all the votes are counted, but early/mail in voting doesn't seem to have slowed down those states compared to us.
That's okay, Tater. We are already discussing a ballot initiative for early voting. See you next November.
@6:32 PM
You do all your banking electronically because others (the bank) are willing to eat the cost of fraud. If any money comes up missing, the bank refunds it to the customer. Period. No exceptions. Within 3 days. THe bank is willing to accept some amount of fraud as the cost of business.
For an election, exactly how much fraud would be acceptable?
So ... everyone wants to disenfranchise our military and embassy personnel serving overseas whose absentee ballots rely on overseas mail?
You want to disenfranchise veterans in nursing homes or too disabled to stand in line or find anyone to get them to their precinct?
We have never , ever had a final vote count on Election Day.
We have only had projections based on math.
You want federal voting rules instead of State laws and rules? Really?
Unless you are legally registered, your ballot doesn’t count.
Has fraud occurred? Rarely and when challenged, those folks pay the piper.
Your devotion to a man or a party has apparently made some of you emotionally react without thinking.
Micheal Watson is not just extremely bright but a man who won’t sell his soul or lie for politics. Hell Exell you the truth even if it’s not what you want to hear and do so like a rational gentleman.
@7:11 am
NV, GA, PA, MI, WI this year. Probably others, but the democrats were so far ahead that it doesn't matter.
Does it really matter Georgia just turn Blue. In 2022 Republicans have more seats to defend including one in Georgia if they win the run off.
The U.S. Mail has an official status with all Courts in the United States. You can be served with official process through certified mail and have serious judgments entered against you. You also rely on the mailing date for very serious tax returns which can possibly ruin your life. The U.S. mail is taken seriously for many things but not for delivering a ballot? Until Mr. Trump got scared of losing this was not a big issue. Set a reasonable deadline date but let people vote by mail if they want.
@9:21, what is your proof?
There is no valid argument against early in-person voting for one week prior to Election Day. It is secure, expands access, and prevents us from having to stand in long lines. Against the expansion of voting by mail, but there is no excuse not to have early in-person voting like Florida and Texas have successfully implemented. Proud of Republicans like Michael Watson, Kent McCarty, and Jansen Owen for speaking up on this common sense issue.
In these times of 'Cancel Culture', will Georgia Blue be changing its name?
The only 'base' Tater has is his immediate family (only two can vote), the three in the legislature who he didn't piss off, the new MDOC Commish and a neighbor down the street who brings him tomatoes.
The Republican party is just going to have to get with the program when it comes to rounding up low information folks and taking them to the polls. They hate mail in, absentee, etc. because the Dems are masters of picking up folks who are wandering around unaware that there's even an election taking place and exchanging a half pint for a quick trip to the Courthouse. Republicans are just going to have to get off their asses and maybe buy better whiskey.
What I would like to see is polls opened up for a week and have everybody come in at their convenience with identification to ensure the security of the election. Obviously there would need to be some accommodations made for out-of-state military members and the truly homebound people, but that is not insurmountable.
Every vote should count, but we also need to ensure it is the actual person making the choices and not a relative or activist filling it out for a dementia patient and just getting them to sign it.
@12:23,
That is too good of an idea for this state. You should move and propose it to another state.
How many on here have actually been a poll worker, poll watcher, or observed the counting of absentee ballots. Some of you have no clue about the vote counting and certification process.
@2:19
You are right. It’s quite interesting and has cross-checks and controls.
The dirty secret of the GOP is they know that expanding the number of people who vote will eliminate their party. The fraud claims are nothing more than a sad lie to give their base some cover.
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