Wednesday, November 11, 2020

Equal Time: C19 Vaccine Promise May Be Limited

 Good news swept the world this week when Pfizer announced it produced a promising Covid-19 vaccine.  However, a Cal-Berkeley scientist warned in September vaccines will fail if they rely on antibodies.  The Berkeley News reported September 9: 

 More than 100 companies have rushed into vaccine development against COVID-19 as the U.S. government pushes for a vaccine rollout at “warp speed” — possibly by the end of the year — but the bar set for an effective, long-lasting vaccine is far too low and may prove dangerous, according to Marc Hellerstein of the University of California, Berkeley.

Most vaccine developers are shooting for a robust antibody response to neutralize the virus and are focusing on a single protein, called the spike protein, as the immunizing antigen. Yet, compelling evidence shows that both of these approaches are problematic, said Hellerstein, a UC Berkeley professor of nutritional sciences and toxicology.

A better strategy is to take a lesson from one of the world’s best vaccines, the 82-year-old yellow fever vaccine, which stimulates a long-lasting, protective T-cell response. T-cells are immune cells that surveil the body continuously for decades, ready to react quickly if the yellow fever virus is detected again.

“We know what really good vaccines look like for viral infections,” Hellerstein said. “While we are doing phase 2 trials, we need to look at the detailed response of T-cells, not just antibodies, and correlate these responses with who does well or not over the next several months. Then, I think, we will have a good sense of the laboratory features of vaccines that work. If we do that, we should be able to pick good ones.”

Using a technique Hellerstein’s laboratory developed and perfected over the past 20 years that assesses the lifespan of T-cells, it is now possible to tell within three or four months whether a specific vaccine will provide long-lasting cells and durable T-cell-mediated protection.....

 Hellerstein points out that antibodies are not the primary protective response to infection by coronaviruses, the family of viruses that includes SARS-CoV-2. Indeed, high antibody levels to these viruses are associated with worse disease symptoms, and antibodies to coronaviruses, including SARS-CoV-2, don’t appear to last very long....

This was noted in people infected by the first SARS virus, SARS-CoV-1, in 2003. SARS patients who subsequently died had higher antibody levels during acute infection and worse clinical lung injury compared to SARS patients who went on to recover. In MERS, which is also a coronavirus infection, survivors with higher antibody levels experienced longer intensive care unit stays and required more ventilator support, compared to subjects with no detectable antibodies.

In contrast, strong T-cell levels in SARS and MERS patients correlated with better outcomes. The same has also played out, so far, in COVID-19 patients.

“A strong antibody response correlates with more severe clinical disease in COVID-19, while a strong T-cell response is correlated with less severe disease. And antibodies have been short-lived, compared to virus-reactive T-cells in recovered SARS patients,” Hellerstein said.

The most worrisome part, he said, is that antibodies also can make subsequent infections worse, creating so-called antibody-dependent enhancement. Two vaccines — one against a coronavirus in cats and another against dengue, a flavivirus that affects humans — had to be withdrawn because the antibodies they induced caused potentially fatal reactions. If an antibody binds weakly against these viruses or falls to low levels, it can fail to “neutralize” the virus, but instead help it get into cells.... Rest of article.

The study is posted below.

 

9 comments:

Fiscal Conservative said...

But who gets to take credit for the vaccine?

Anonymous said...

I mean...at best, a vaccine will be available to the general public in 5-6 months. We already have had 10M cases in the U.S. and the CDC estimates the true number is somewhere between 5-10x times the case count. So if we're already at 50-100M cases, and we're averaging 1M cases a week, we'll all have had it by the time the vaccine is available.

this winter is going to be bad.

Anonymous said...

Then again, Biden's folks want to distribute the wealth and may decide who gets it and who doesn't, at least at first.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-coronavirus-adviser-emanuel-vaccine-distribution

Anonymous said...

"I trust Pfizer; I trust the FDA," Fauci said, adding that he would be willing to take the vaccine himself. Bet he will be near the front of the line.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/fauci-says-pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-should-be-available-to-high-priority-individuals-by-december

Jacksun said...

Tate’s daughter has it. Will he reimpose a mask mandate now? What will it take for him to get serious about the virus instead of more obstinate denial?

Anonymous said...

Way to throw cold water on a little hope---Dr Fauci

Anonymous said...

@7:57
Bill Gates is the mastermind of the entire Plandemic

Bill Dees said...

A study out of the UK suggests that antibodies remain in the blood for fewer than 5 months. Once antibodies are gone, there's no immunity. That suggests that COVID will act like seasonal flu, requiring re-vaccination every year. I hope they're wrong, but a retired physician friend tells me there's never been a coronavirus vaccine that really worked.

Anonymous said...

We will have the poor and the coronavirus with us always.



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