Wednesday, July 8, 2020

Sid Salter: Stennis Legacy Challenged in Wake of Black Lives Matter Movement

The social and cultural ripples from the “Black Lives Matter” movement continue, from the amazing saga of the taking down of the Mississippi state flag to the ongoing debate over moving or removing monuments and changing building names on edifices named for individuals who don’t pass muster through the prism of racial justice.


One of the most discussed possible successor designs for a new Mississippi state flag is the so-called “Stennis flag” or “Hospitality flag” designed and promoted by the late senator’s granddaughter Laurin Stennis. Late in the state flag fight, Stennis voluntarily pulled her name away from her flag design when liberal critics blasted adoption of a new Mississippi flag from the progeny of someone those critics see only as a segregationist and racist.

Despite a courtly and deferential nature, the elder Stennis was in fact a proponent of segregation. He signed, and many believe was an architect of, the Southern Manifesto, the 1956 resolution condemning the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1954 decision in Brown v. Board of Education school integration case as an overreach and “unwarranted exercise of power by the court” - and pointed back to the “separate but equal” doctrine of the 1896 Plessy v. Ferguson case as the appropriate interpretation of constitutional law.

In addition to the Mississippi state flag debate, there have been national calls to revisit the Stennis name on structures including the U.S. Navy’s Nimitz-class nuclear aircraft carrier the USS John C. Stennis. and the Stennis Space Center in Hancock County, Mississippi.

In an article for the U.S. Naval Institute, titled “The Case for Renaming the USS John C. Stennis,” retired Lt. Cmdr. Reuben Keith Green cites Stennis’s record on race and challenged the Navy to rename the ship. An unrelated effort was also launched last week aims to get Stennis’ name removed from the Stennis Space Center in Hancock County, Mississippi, a NASA rocket testing facility.

Stennis, who served in the U.S. Senate for 41 years from 1947-1989, is remembered for much more than the Southern Manifesto, which was signed by every member of Congress from Mississippi and most all congressional members in the South. Serving with eight U.S presidents, Stennis began his service with Harry Truman in 1947 and ended with Ronald Reagan in 1988.

He was elected president pro tempore of the Senate for the 100th Congress. As chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee from 1969 to 1980, Sen. Stennis consistently supported a strong U.S. military and gained the honorary title of "the father of America's modern Navy."

Among his Capitol Hill peers, Stennis was known as "the conscience of the U. S. Senate" and the man who stood up to and censured Communist-baiting U.S. Sen. Joseph McCarthy.

As the chairman of the Senate Armed Services and Appropriations Committees, Stennis was the architect of the rebuilding of the U.S. Navy after World War II. Aircraft carriers got built for this country because John Stennis insisted that they be built for he knew that unlike any other asset, aircraft carriers project this nation's military might on the world stage in an unprecedented manner.

And what are the practical political prospects of removing the Stennis name from the carrier or the NASA facility? Republican President Donald Trump has made crystal clear his opposition to such endeavors.

But if Trump is unseated by Democratic former Vice President Joe Biden, who has frequently praised Stennis as a mentor during his own Senate career, does that reconfigure the political equation?

Not likely. There is a formidable public record of Biden’s voluminous past praise of Stennis in which he expressed his deep admiration of and affection for the Mississippi senator while they were colleagues.

Sid Salter is a syndicated columnist. Contact him at sidsalter@sidsalter.com.

64 comments:

Anonymous said...

Does Sid Salter ever get tired of sniffing the throne? He's the perfect personification of Frank Underwood's quote "Proximity to power confuse some into thinking they wield it."

Even long after Stennis is dead Salter is still at it. Pathetic!

Anonymous said...

Sid is living in lala land. The Mob is in control no matter if Biden wins or not. If they can remove Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson and others it's Just a matter of time for Stennis.

Anonymous said...

There is nothing more than insanity behind the actions of people who wish to tear down the statues and erase the legacies of accomplished men because of the hurt feelings of people who have accomplished little or nothing.

Albert Schweitzer said...


Historical context matters.
WE are being fed a huge line of BS from the left who want to destroy, or at least radically change this country.

No one considers destroying the pyramids because slave labor was involved.

Andrew Jackson was a flawed man in several ways but a great one in most.

This spate of statue destruction and vilification of people like Stennis is beyond silly. It is mega-stupid. Very hard to change history, even though possible.

Speaking of idiots,the Jackson city council plans to move the statue at city hall. Do they expect to stop there? Churchill said that appeasement was the hope that the alligator would eat you last.
So, should we take down the statue, AND rename the city? Jackson as a city name exists is most states. And all named for Andy Jackson.

Some of us gag on this line of BS. It is unpalatable and indigestible.

Anonymous said...

LOL is he fucking high?

Anonymous said...

who let the dogs out? start by renaming the reservoir...

Anonymous said...

Removal of the Stennis name might be the litmus test of the far-left activists if Biden becomes president. Please note that the wild radicals, mostly young white anarchist types, are calling the shots now and will want to make the jump from confederate symbols to present-day opponents of their socialist agenda. Stennis WILL be a target. So will Reagan. So will Trump. Nothing to do with Black Lives or the Confederacy. The question will be whether Biden and the Dems have the balls to say stop it before it swallows them too.

Anonymous said...

First, the Stennis flag is ugly and not based on any history. Its is almost like a 7th grader designed it. Add to it that Lauren Stennis went to private school, private college and really can't speak for most Mississippians with her White Privilege. So, I'd rather have no flag.

As far as Sid Salter, looking at past social norms to tear down current institutions is dumb and dangerous. The Mob will come for anyone, over anything. Line up Harvard and Yale, the Mob has come for you as well.

This whole "gotcha" society, wether it's #metoo, #timesup, #BLM is childish and weak. This victim mentality tied to identity politics is bad for society and this nation.

Anonymous said...

Saw this morning where Chokewad Lufumba is going to relocate statue of Andrew Jackson after all AJ was "the leader of the largest genocide in history"....

Paul Mitchell said...

I actually appreciate the fact that Salter appears to be coming to grips with his racist past and the complete racism of everyone in the Democrat Party from its inception to the present. Maybe there is hope for some folks that are getting scared about their past actions and their salvation.

Anonymous said...

We cant get go throughout history destroying men and women. Just move forward. We are all flawed. I guarantee you each of us has something that would not look good if we scrutinized enough. Over half the Bible is written by Murders. David, Paul and Moses (would you destroy all their good works for mistakes they made? Lets leave Cancel culture behind and realize we are all flawed and strive to be a better person than we were the day before by helping each other grow as individuals.

Anonymous said...

Sid Salter and His racist Past. Donna Ladd family owned slaves. Wow the things we learn? Should they be cancelled. NO I seldom agree with either but No they should not

Anonymous said...

as this country edged closer to no single “race” majority..expect this to increase dramatically. history is interpreted through the lens of society at the time, and ours is becoming more and more racially and ethnically diverse.

if any one of us had been born into slavery, our opinion of many historical persons would be vastly different

the question that should be asked is: was their contribution to advance society greater than their mistakes that held it back? in that light, stennis and jackson fate well.

Anonymous said...

Why are you conservatives so sympathetic about long dead racist Democrats and their public trophies?

Thomas Gentry said...

The Confederate soldier ghost--reportedly hiding behind the Lowndes County monument to fallen soldiers who gave life and limb in repelling Lincoln's 75,000 member Union army of Northern militiamen and which also suceeded in removing the occupiers-- will now find a home in Friendship Cemetery among his comadre.The Board of Supervisors voted unanimously to topple the Statue.
Maybe he will meet up with the ghostly Captain Gregory and his parents Mr.and Mrs. Thomas Watt Gregory who are buried there. Thomas Watt Gregory was never to know his father who was KIA before he was born. Thomas Watt Gregory went on to become POTUS Woodrow Wilson's Attorney General from 1915 to 1919(?).




Anonymous said...

9:17 for the win.

Anonymous said...

It's time Donna Ladd wash the feet of Chokwe Antar Lumumba at high noon in the parking lot of Whole Foods to repent for her families racist past.

Anonymous said...

It's time to rebrand the entire state of Mississippi! The flag was a good start, now we need to form a committee to look into renaming everything in the state and removing symbols of oppression.

Anonymous said...

So, the Stennis flag is out because of things the artist's father did or said?

Is that the standard we are holding people to now?

Anonymous said...

"if any one of us had been born into slavery, "

For the math-impaired: there is no one alive today who was born into slavery in the USA.

Anonymous said...

I'm pretty sure the practical ramifications to some of this hasn't been fully considered. For example, if streets currently named after imperfect people must be changed to those of perfect people, it's going to be REALLY difficult for Amazon to figure out which of the several million "Nobody Streets" is the right one...why, shoot, there'd be 100s in most ZIP Codes and 1000s in many...

Don't forget the old saying: "Those who refuse to consider the past are certain to fuck up the future." I'm pretty sure Dr. King wouldn't have been on board with a lot of this stuff - I submit "A Letter from the Birmingham Jail" as evidence of that. I'd also submit if it weren't for men like Thomas Jefferson, the US Constitutional rights that all folks have would not even exist and there would be nothing for anyone to demand, regardless of race or skin tone.

Jerry By Golly At The Twactor Thore said...

Salter's employer hosts a large building named Lee Hall. I forget who its namesake is. Should Sid write about that or would he find himself unemployed if he did?

The so called Stennis Flag is nothing but a veiled (wink wink) remake of several Confederate flags.

Meanwhile, both Georgia and Texas continue to fly Confederate flags as their official banner.

Anonymous said...

What do you suggest we do with the hundreds of CSA Headstones and graves in the City of Canton cemetery? They are monuments. There are also some white family monuments dedicated to family members who have definite southern states associations. Heard of a rumor/plan to name a street in Canton BLM. We have some streets in our Presidential homes area that will need to go as well as others around town. Shit just getting a bit outta hand.

Thomas Gentry said...

Let it be known that the connections DA Scot Colom's father has with Haley Barbour and former POTUS G.H.W. Bush run deep. At a meeting of minds and a Dinner given by Bush in Houston, Toxic Tort lawyer Wil Colom and Barbour sat at the table making small talk. Nothing about Bush's carrying out the murderous Operation Phoenix in Viet Nam as head of the CIA.
More likely it was related to Colom's Tanzania connections...maybe a AFRICOM "front."
The former President of the former MSCW has joined Colom in the former German colonial possession of East Africa.








Anonymous said...

Okay so lets NOW move to re-name the capitol city of Jackson...What ya'll got?...

Lummumba-ville ?

Anonymous said...

I just need us to get some consistency. A good person own slaves, likely beat and mistreat them, breakup families, they still get to be good people. Today a kid make a mistake, he a thug lock them up and throw away the key. Same people who hate Judge Green , Barack Obama and others want to say slave traders not that bad and should continue to be honored. Sick of people that say George Floyd deserved to die but our slave owning ancestors should be honored.

Anonymous said...

The new liberal fondren waving crowd with the racist stennis flag is nearly as bad as the confederate flag we just changed. Gotta love white liberals that send kids to private schools and elite university's. Honestly though stennis flag can not absolutely can not be used.

Paul Mitchell said...

Thomas Gentry, Phoenix was 1968-1972. HW Bush was Director the CIA from January 1976 - January 1977. Try again.

Anonymous said...

9:50. duh. imagine that you HAD been born into slavery.

Anonymous said...

The right is lost. Celebrating slavery is a non starter for anyone decent human. As the current party leaders age and become irrelevant, hopefully a new generation can redeem the party and lead them to be fiscally conservative and leave behind all the racism and anti-science garbage the party is currently clinging to.

Anonymous said...

"Sick of people that say George Floyd deserved to die "

Interesting claim - please provide evidence that one person anywhere on the planet said that he deserved to die.

We'll wait.

Anonymous said...

Scott Colom's father and "Haley Barbour and former POTUS G.H.W. Bush"...

Um, yeah. If one could pick from a list of characteristics to describe those Barbour and Bush thought of as a kindred spirit, a brother, and just downright perfect son-in-law/dinner guest material, "Black," "Democrat," and "PI lawyer" would be the first three anyone truly familiar with either man would instantly pick. Would any of these three use each other? Without hesitation. Could any of the three truly share a deep trust with one another? Not the slightest chance, for love, money, or a three-way with Paige the golfer.

Anonymous said...

Its over.

The south lost and all the leaders should have been beheaded.

They were not and as a result we are left with a sense that white people are superior and black people were "freed" because yankees sort of wanted to help them but really just wanted more power in congress. And indeed after reconstruction it became clear that black people could be killed at the whim of any white person. One cannot even run title to property in parts of Mississippi back past 1890 because the title just stops.....black folks who once owned land died and or left and the property was just "taken" by whites whose family run those farms today.

Let me tell you...white people would be inconsolable and shooting everyone they could find if someone stole their land.

And thats sort of why we are where we are now....whites know how things went....they realize how they would act...and they are scared to death that the synapses will connect amongst those who have been wrongfully deprived.

Add an economic calamity (which is what we are on the front of currently) and change will come...and it will be ugly.



Thomas Gentry said...

@10:50a.m.
I stand corrected--G.H.W
Bush was the 11th Director of the CIA having replaced CIA Director William Colby who "accidently" drowned while canoeing in icy waters. G.H. W. Bush only served a year preparing for the Church Committee investigations.Most likely flushing incrimating evidence down the memory hole.
NEXT!









Paul Mitchell said...

Thomas Gentry, they waited twenty years to kill Colby after replacing him with HW to bury what exactly? And after they offered him another permanent position at NATO?

Oh, okay.

Anonymous said...

A 8:35: "British anti-racism protestors called for the destruction of Egypt’s Giza Pyramids on Sunday, after tearing down a statue of a slave trader in the city of Bristol and throwing it in the Avon river, CNN reported Monday."
Also, pretty sure slaves did not build the pyramids.

Straight Pipe said...

Despite his status as a hated messenger, Alan Lange recently exposed the Stennis crowd:

"There is a growing group of folks who supported the Hospitality Flag nee Stennis Flag that seem to be urging their supporters to scuttle the upcoming flag vote to force the flag debate back into the legislature and/or on a separate referendum. This is primarily because their design of choice, the Stennis Flag, by law doesn’t meet the requirements of having “In God We Trust”.
.....
Using five dollar words like “vexillology” (the study of flags) and extolling rather high-minded, elitist flag design parameters to try overpower the rural “rubes” and sell the inevitability of their preferred design, on the eve of the legislation being signed by the Governor, they were essentially trying to vitiate any flag with In God We Trust as illegitimate and unacceptable."


Then, what did the Stennis crew do? They added 'In God We Trust'.

As Lange notes:

"White elite and entitled intellectuals, put simply, want their way – trying to dictate to state when coming together suits everyone’s interests."

Anonymous said...

10:23 am Candace Owens had a nice diatribe about how she looked up Floyd's criminal history , cites it and then asks " why isn't that mentioned?" While that isn't literally saying " deserved", it's a strong suggestion that having had a history of jail time justified or mitigated or excused his death. I could go on but she's the new attractive, glib, black darling of the right. That someone of her unimpressive resume would be asked to appear before a Senate committee to testify is well, a new low.

It's sad that children and grandchildren suffer as well as benefit from family names. It should encourage father's and grandfather's to be more honorable, but it doesn't.

And,10:18 am I'm well aware no one alive was a slave. But, I'm not so clueless as not to know that many are alive who lived under Jim Crow and extreme segregation. I was in college when you or your parents or grandparents right here behaved violently against blacks going to school with you or voting and it was televised. And, over a decade later, I could see that you were far more segregated than other parts of the South. So, pretend all you want. It doesn't make it true.

Anonymous said...

Had a chance to personally interact with Senator Stennis on federal funding for a high-tech effort for Mississippi in the 1980s. He was thoughtful, polite, and asked me 2 questions I still vividly recall. "How will this help the citizens of Mississippi, all of them?" and "What will this capability do for our nation?"

The past will always be what it was, but this man sounded like the kind of person I'd want to remember well...

Anonymous said...

What about the blacks that owned slaves? Ellison of South Carolina was one of latest slave owners in the state and he was a black freed slave. Nearly 30% of slaves in new Orleans were owned by blacks. Today nearly all construction in middle East is by slave labor from Africa Nepal etc... look at today in China massive number of slaves as well as education concentration camps for m uslims and gays.

Anonymous said...

And you wonder why I refuse to give you a dime!

Anonymous said...

I wish we could get Baby Choke as fired up to pave a street as he is to run thru history purging right and Left. Maybe he never saw his job description when he was elected.

Anonymous said...

I like Lauren Stennis’s flag: attractive, eye catching, graphic, a good, neat design.

Anonymous said...

There were 965 blacks that owned slaves in Louisiana. Nearly 40% of slaves in Louisiana were owned by blacks. In South Carolina alone they had 172 slave owners that were black. In Mississippi nearly 26% of slaves were black owned.

Anonymous said...

Now that the flag thing is out of the way Mississippi Colleges should announce they will not participate in any sporting events in the State of Connecticut until Yale is renamed.

Anonymous said...

"duh. imagine that you HAD been born into slavery."

George Washington Carver and Booker T. Washington were both born into slavery. As far as their known histories, neither man shot up a nightclub. And if you don't know anything about either man, well see, that's what happens when you don't know anything about history.

Anonymous said...

What a fine man. Loved the way he said "Hattisboig".

Anonymous said...

"It's time Donna Ladd wash the feet of Chokwe Antar Lumumba at high noon in the parking lot of Whole Foods to repent for her families racist past."

Funniest statement in the comments . . . thus far.

Anonymous said...

@1:34pm

I call BS. Provide a legitimate source for your claims. While there were blacks who owned slaves, your claims sound greatly exaggerated, especially for MS and SC.

I hope not said...

11:13, the change may not be the kind you envision. If this tumult was as advertised, simply put, to right ancient and continued wrongs, we as a nation would come out better and stronger. But this, as some see, a noble endeavor, has been hijacked by a movement to dismantle this nation and to replace it with who knows what. You can not loose this nation, or any other, from its foundational structure without destroying the whole. Be careful what you wish for, you may get it.

Anonymous said...

Stennis ramroded the massive TennTom project through Congress. It cost billions and ended up being finished way over budget. In today’s dollars, it’s probably over a hundred billion dollars. The freight on that waterway is negligible. It was a total waste of taxpayer money.

Anonymous said...

It's always funny how when someone points out the evil of our ancestors how there is always deflection.

"Hey look blacks owned slaves too. Look at what's going on in the Middle East." Slavery is wrong everywhere. Let those countries that are dealing with it now get rid of it in their lands. The double standards are astounding when you get called to the mat for your wrongs.

Why do people feel that removal of these statues will wipe away history? Do we not have history books? Do you not teach your children history? Putting the statues in and around museums would be fine with me. The bulk of them are beautiful works of art. We should be reminded of who our ancestors are and what they did. However, the statues' stories should be in the context of what they actually did. I hope nothing happens to the war/military cemeteries. As those are the sad stories of men who died, mostly in vain, to protect the cause of a few filthy rich men (both north and south) that wanted to maintain a certain way of life at the expense of primarily poor whites and slaves.

Paul Mitchell said...

@3:27, check out The Root for your information. Grade school children used to be taught these things that were common knowledge years ago.

https://www.theroot.com/did-black-people-own-slaves-1790895436

Anonymous said...

The late Senator Stennis obviously had nothing to do with the so-called Stennis flag, which was designed by a relative. Find some other BS to peddle.

Anonymous said...

"You forgive us, we'll forgive you".

Anonymous said...

So what do you all think of this?

https://www.wlbt.com/2020/07/08/satanic-temple-threatens-lawsuit-if-god-we-trust-appears-new-mississippi-flag/

Anonymous said...

"Lummumba-ville ?"

The DRC - "The Damned Roads are Chock...er, Chuckholes."

Anonymous said...

"Also, pretty sure slaves did not build the pyramids."

Hmmm. Why would anyone be only "pretty sure" of something so easy to learn about? I mean, it's kinda like saying, "I'm pretty sure some dude named Harry Truman was once, like, you know, President or played for the Saints or something."

For the JPS grads, yes, that was precisely who built "the pyramids" and much of the ancient world, and yes, "slave" has had a variety of contexts over the last 5000 or so years. But two, three, or seventeen wrongs don't make a right, so whatever else about the USA, "slavery" as it was generally practiced in the USA, by whomever practiced it, was a bad stupid idea for any number of reasons including social and economic. And I am absolutely sure of that.

Anonymous said...

Stennis was a sack of shit like every other politician. He doubled down on the Vietnam war and caused the deaths of young men who had their whole lives ahead of them. He is at the epicenter of the military industrial complex. My family has lived here for over 150 years and I'm working my ass off to send my sons to elite private schools so they can escape you people. Choke on your dead flag and ignorance.

Anonymous said...

Sid was a John C. Stennis Scholar in Political Science as a student at MSU.
And sits on the advisory board for the Stennis Institue of Government at State

John said...

We love you, too, 10:03.

Anonymous said...

The people backing the incredibly generic Stennis flag are primarily affluent white people who think that flying that flag is a message to the world that they aren't racists. Laurin Stennis is the epitome of white privilege.

Anonymous said...

@9:48
I'm not a liberal but I do live in woodland hills and have a son and 2 daughter's that attend st Andrews school. I'm one of a few that don't fly the stennis flag outside my house. These elite liberal neighbors of mine all grew up with a silver spoon in mouth and suffer from white guilt. I grew up outside of Philly and I have none.

Anonymous said...

I really think the Stennis girl meant well.

But quite a few people think it's boring design.


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