Wednesday, July 15, 2020

German Study: C19 Doesn't Spread in Schools

A German study might actually be germane to the Covid-19 situation in schools.  Dresden Technical University scientists claimed in a study the virus "does not spread easily in schools."  The Telegraph (UK) reported:

Schools do not play a major role in spreading the coronavirus, according to the results of a German study released on Monday.

The study, the largest carried out on schoolchildren and teachers in Germany, found traces of the virus in fewer than 1 per cent of teachers and children.

Scientists from Dresden Technical University said they believe children may act as a “brake” on chains of infection.

Prof Reinhard Berner, the head of pediatric medicine at Dresden University Hospital and leader of the study, said the results suggested the virus does not spread easily in schools.

“It is rather the opposite,” Prof Berner told a press conference. “Children act more as a brake on infection. Not every infection that reaches them is passed on.”

The study tested 2,045 children and teachers at 13 schools — including some where there have been cases of the virus. But scientists found antibodies in just 12 of those who took part.

“This means that the degree of immunization in the group of study participants is well below 1 per cent and much lower then we expected,” said Prof Berner. “This suggests schools have not developed into hotspots.”

The study was carried out at schools in three different districts in the region of Saxony.

The choice of Saxony is significant because it was the only one of Germany’s 16 states to reopen schools with full class sizes in May....


The study tested the blood of around 1,500 children aged between 14 and 18 and 500 teachers aged between 30 and 66 for antibodies to the virus.

Five of those who took part had previously tested positive for the virus. The study’s authors said the fact that only seven others were found to have antibodies suggested the virus did not spread rapidly in a school setting.

Another 24 of those who took party had family members who had tested positive, but only one of these was found to have developed antibodies.

“This means the majority of schoolchildren do not get infected themselves despite an infection in the household,” said Prof Berner.

“We have to take this finding into account when deciding on measures to limit social contact.”

The study was carried out at 13 schools in the districts of Dresden, Bautzen and Görlitz in May and June. Rest of article.

Kingfish note: Let the freaking out begin.  


30 comments:

Anonymous said...

usa rate of infection: 10,902 per million
germany: 2,402 per million

not surprising in that light

Anonymous said...

Why not? It's borderline insane to suggest such a venue is off limits for the virus. Like the toilet at the poolroom or the window booth at Popeyes. Utter nonsense.

Anonymous said...

This has to be tricky for the sheeple who call thinking people "Covidiots" since on one hand they utterly worship the socialist medicine of the EU. But on the other hand it refutes so much of their new religion.
Major Cognitive Dissonance

Anonymous said...

This was absolutely discussed in the "discredited" documentary Plandemic and time will only tell how many other "discredited" claims are proven to be factual.

Anonymous said...

This story will go viral, so to speak.

Anonymous said...

A, they wear masks. B, this population was 14-18 year old students (probably only due to how GER rolled out reopening, primary just went back, secondary was first). C, Germany has had FAR LOWER infection rates.

Denmark, schools are good. Israel, not good.

And the key is we are MUCH bigger and have a MUCH bigger infection problem.

Glad to see it, but this has been looked at widely. Other locations have had some setbacks with schools.

So, I don't see how anyone would take this as Gospel one way or another. But, some hope there.

EAB said...

A contrasting view: 85 kids and camp counselors got sick at this YMCA camp in north Atlanta. That's about 18% of all the campers and staff, all under age 22. Other overnight camps have shown similar spreads, so this isn't an isolated incident.

Which do you think is going to be more predictive of how Atlanta (and Mississippi) schools will operate in a couple weeks: German students in May, or Atlanta students two weeks ago? Do you think the Atlanta students are somehow less likely to get infected at school than in a primarily outdoor camp setting, and if so, why?

https://www.ajc.com/news/coronavirus-cases-from-north-georgia-youth-camp-outbreak-rising/qN0G9TG38tUX5gurg7Of3O/

Anonymous said...

Let's all go back to school and work from there! Hehe, what's a hot tub without Bubbles?...

Anonymous said...

Uh-huh...drop any researcher into the middle of any German school and then into any Jackson metro area school, public or private, and they couldn't tell the least difference. To be fair, the Jackson metro area didn't invade Poland and start WWII, so there is that.

Seriously, though, when it comes to things like this people need to get a handle on their tendency to confirmation bias and be as realistic as possible when trying to find analogues between things that are disparate. In essence, to fairly compare the results in a German school to what would likely occur in a US school, it would require that the entire environment of the students, teachers, staff, parents, etc. of the US school mirror the environment of those at the German school. So that would end that.

Anonymous said...

I guarantee there is a huge difference in the way German schools operate and the way our little rednecks are going to act. If the kids can keep still, wear masks, and maintain distancing I won't be surprised if the infection rate is relatively low. Do I think that is reasonable? Of course not. Too many schools are making masks optional. They are charging headlong into competitive sports as quickly as possible. Students are having COVID parties for goodness sake. COVID is going to run rampant in the fall as the students spread it among themselves and bring it back home to the other people in the household.

This is certainly worth further study, but the consequences of being wrong are very high. With fully 10% of Mississippi's confirmed COVID cases in people under the age of 18 it is obvious kids can get it. This is going to turn out to be a lesson in mitigation more than it is in demographics.

Anonymous said...

Former Stanford Medical Center neurology chief insists 'anyone who prioritizes children would open the schools'

Anonymous said...

Carey Wright was on Paul Gallo this morning for a segment or two and rattled on incessantly, not saying a damned thing. She was on a squawk box and you could tell there were people in the room with her nodding and writing notes so she could answer the questions.

To her credit, she did not mention 'soft opening' of elementary schools. Such an annoying dunce she is. Makes more than three fourths of the lawyers and a double handful of doctors in this state.

Anonymous said...

This post is a giant shit burger, KF. What next, a study of French kissing penguins in Antarctica to prove Covid-19 doesn't really get anyone sick?

Anonymous said...

Fascinating study and I think we will see more. California is an interesting experiment: LA County Schools (all remote) will be compared (infection rate/morbidity/mortality) with adjacent Orange County, which is having kids return to school. And here is a prediction: There will be zero fatalities in both districts due to COVID and there will be the usual (awful) flu deaths in both districts.

How many COVID fatalities have there been so far in the 9 million Californians under age 18? Zero.

By and large (very large), kids don't get sick from COVID. Thank God.

I predict the overall mortality in children in LA County will be higher than that of Orange County, where kids are going back to school. Furthermore, they will learn something.


Anonymous said...

@8:47
lol epic fail. Try again!

Anonymous said...

9:32 PM asked, "What next, a study of French kissing penguins in Antarctica to prove Covid-19 doesn't really get anyone sick?"

Of course not and your snarky comment just shows an alarming lack of familiarity with how the vast majority of the research system works. There needs to be a grant proposal written and funding obtained well before a study can be done. Geez, how would you expect penguin sexologists to do any meaningful work without a shitpotful of OPM?

Anonymous said...

9:38 Remember this is an infectious disease. It isn’t just the kids who will be affected, it’s the staff and parents too. We’ll have to see if in-person schools result in greater community spread and overall mortality.

Anonymous said...

Dr. Scott Atlas:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-atlas-kids-back-school-distance-learning-failure

Anonymous said...

Even more important than the regular kids in schools will be the football players in the weight rooms, on the practice fields, and in the stadiums this Fall. The regular kids can get by with the distance learning stuff, but they need to have their butts in the stadiums to cheer on the players when the balls get kicked off and the hitting begins and the whistles start blowing all over the country. This means elementary schools, middle schools, high schools, and colleges.

It is, after all, “the lifeblood of our country.”

Source: https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29467402/lsu-football-coach-ed-orgeron-says-country-needs-football-pandemic

This virus thing, or whatever all the fuss is about, will not prevail over football.

Anonymous said...

The German "sample" was far smaller than the USA's....thus better health outcomes. Perhaps it's as simple as this: There's too many people in America for its society to function in a healthy way.

Anonymous said...

A large majority of physicians in this country have been telling people this. It's outrageous that media won't put physicians on air. CNN did on Sunday and all 5 top national pediatricians said they're sending there own children back to school. The national pediatric association stated kids have to return to school and it's safe. Media and gov't officials with no science background know nothing yet get airtime. Whoopie Goldberg and the unjoyful behar for example.

Anonymous said...

Physicians are not accountable to the economics of society, which is actually more important than your health. So they often "say" whatever suits their agendas, like sounding like saviors and high priests of helping, rather than serious resource managers they ought to be. Saving the world from a virus doesn't mean squat if you are close to being evicted.

Anonymous said...

"usa rate of infection: 10,902 per million
germany: 2,402 per million

not surprising in that light"

Germany's lower infection rate is because they used their brakes...

Anonymous said...

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-pbc-health-director-covid-children-20200714-xcdall2tsrd4riim2nwokvmsxm-story.html?fbclid=IwAR2o1JdXIg90IToh6cHOWZsFrQDKFajKOCRSEf7xVs-iZcQ2XUQKVXikQYE

Anonymous said...

@ 8:12
Clearly you don't have a science background. I'm betting you couldn't tell me the 1st thing about the virus or the risk involved with children.

Anonymous said...

11:51 Ed is just concerned if we don't have college football this year people may actually figure out it is nothing more than replaceable entertainment. His comments are purely for the benefit of his own self-interest.

Anonymous said...

8:12 here 9:33am I do have an advanced degree in healthcare, and am a practitioner of the health sciences - I also have degrees in economics and business. Which you proved my point with your snide response, which is: 90% of "science" or "healthcare" minded people do NOT understand how to manage population health while competing for constantly diminishing resources. They aren't emotionally stable enough to even try to handle it. They walk out in protest. You can advocate all day long about saving lives, etc. Sorry to break this to you: Your efforts only goes as far as your budget.....and the U.S. will not print money forever. The economic disaster looming is 100 times greater than what this virus is, or has done.

Anonymous said...

Germans are more disciplined than rednecks.

Bring Back The Electric Paddle said...

What teacher in her right mind, with a salary of $34,000 annually would subject herself to a room full of crying, whiney, upset, confused, unhappy, petulant six to ten year olds required to wear masks every day for nine months?

Oh, wait! You can bet they'll be allowed to bring their own mask printed with Barbies, Spiderman, Ole Miss, Jackson State or The Hamburgler. Just to make them happy little campers who won't throw fits.

Anonymous said...

So, COVID spreads in churches, parties, demonstrations, grocery stores, and malls - but not schools? What a miracle! This is ridiculous. When local schools resume, we shall see.

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