Tuesday, May 7, 2019

$15 x 0 hours = _____

Saw these doohickeys at the McDonald's in Winona Saturday:



53 comments:

Anonymous said...

AOC will just add a tax on this to benefit those who don't want to work.

Anonymous said...

I live out of the state, and use these quite a bit. They're not bad except when they don't work. Then you lose the efficiency.

I'm sure Sid is somewhere having a fit. If bloodthirsty capitalists can automate it, they will. Sic transit gloria mundi.

Anonymous said...

This is where low skilled jobs are headed. This was accelerated as soon as cities and leftist politicians with absolutely 0 experience in the private sector push there ideas and agenda. Minimum wage laws are the real enemy here. It simply sets a low bar for wages. Remove the law and allow competition for workers and wages.

Anonymous said...

These can also replace Doctors and Lawyers as well. Folks are becoming more accustomed to Telemedicine and IBM's Watson has proved more accurate at diagnosis that human doctors. Imagine having your slip-and-fall divorce argued by two AI attorneys before an AI judge.

AOC, Andrew Yang, and other visionary leaders like them understand that solutions must be found for when labor no longer has value due to machines and AI.

Scared old white dudes cling to the past like a flea to a rat. Your time has passed.

Anonymous said...

I’m okay with pay a .5-1% tax on these orders to get it taken correctly.

Anonymous said...

Kingfish's title for the post gets it right: It doesn't matter what the legislated minimum wage is, the true minimum wage is $0. That's Econ 101, and yet the preponderance of politicians don't understand it.

Anonymous said...

Interesting that this tech popped up in Winona, MS. I would fully expect this in Manhattan, Boston, San Francisco, Chicago, but Winona?

That got me to thinking: perhaps the two most vulnerable swathes of the low-end service-oriented job market are a) the highest-cost hourly-wage markets like NYC, San Fran, etc. and b) the markets where the all-in costs are the highest due to lack of EE skills, turnover, theft, no-shows, etc. That would likely be the case in Winona and many other markets in MS and the deep south in general.

Anonymous said...

I had to laugh when I read what @ 10:45 wrote: "Imagine having your slip-and-fall divorce argued by two AI attorneys before an AI judge."

A slip and fall divorce is pretty much what I would expect from an online lawyer. Haha - well said, though I doubt it was intentional.

Kingfish said...

I've stopped at that one quite a few times over the years. Employees have always been very nice. That McDonalds is always very busy every time I stop there.

The employees are a huge improvement over the ones I experience in Jackson. Huge.

Anonymous said...

These are neat, but if you're not ordering through the McDonalds app (or any fast food chain's app), you're missing out. That's where all the deals are.

Anonymous said...

@10:45a,

Your first two paragraphs are spot on: we are long overdue for a national discussion on these issues.

I can't figure out how the third paragraph follows.

-An Old White Dude

Anonymous said...

10:34 Although I agree that minimum wage laws push many unskilled workers out of the market, it's not the reason for automation and AI. This was coming minimum wage or not. Ultimately there are very few tasks you will be able to perform more efficiently than an intelligent machine. At this stage the "unskilled" with higher labor costs are the first out the door, but we live in a capitalist economy and in the future almost everything will be up for grabs. The computers and robots are going to get even better and will soon design themselves. This is not science fiction, this is real.

Anonymous said...

Only idiots think robots will ONLY replace minimum wage jobs.

Anonymous said...

Wash your hands before eating. These automated thing-a-jigs have been researched from a germ perspective and its not pretty. Sonic Drivins too.

Anonymous said...

Scared old white dudes cling to the past like a flea to a rat. Your time has passed.

Meanwhile as you (once gain) flog the dead horse you've beaten ad nauseam here at JJ it sure as hell ain't the "old white dudes" who will be losing their service sector jobs, right now, today. The time for the "old white dudes" may eventually pass but it is clear that your own has never, and will never, arrive.

AOC, Andrew Yang, and other visionary leaders like them understand that solutions must be found for when labor no longer has value due to machines and AI.

The same AOC who is only now learning how to use a garbage disposal?

Stick one of your fingers in your nose and one from the other hand in your ear then come back and share with us another of your deep, deep comments.

Anonymous said...

11:21,

They are everywhere else already. Mississippi is just the last to have it, per usual

Anonymous said...

I doubt very seriously machine AI will replace doctors or lawyers anytime soon. They certainly may be used to assist but there is more to doctoring and lawyering than manipulating data elements and looking up a closest match in a database. Bill Gates has been trying to come up with a doctor replacement since the 80's and still has not succeeded. Time will tell.

Blockchain Brad said...

AI political leadership will never squander your taxes on trips to Paris and Detroit
AI pediatricians will never molest your child
AI law enforcement won't kill an unarmed black teen for wearing a hoodie at night in the summer
AI delivery drivers will never get a DUI
AI dentists won't give you Hepatitis

And AI fast food workers never mess up your order

In an AI future what place is there for small minded and luddites?

Anonymous said...

First approved comment made the stretch to connect AOC and then proceeded to smear her. As if every white Male junior senator had never ever uttered a single gaff or tweeted a lie.

That's an example of a Scared old white dude because those are the only people who have AOC living rent free in their head 24/7 and take every opportunity to blame her for the outcome of every one of their own bad decisions in their life.

Sort of like how the same scared old white dudes blamed everything from their gout to their type 2 diabetes on President Obama.

AOC has accomplished more in her young life than the majority of white bread milquetoast hillbilly commenters will ever think of attempting.

Anonymous said...

10:45 is obviously some kind of AI troll. "Slip and fall divorce," indeed. The problem is thinking as 10:45 flawlessly demonstrates. And by "thinking" I don't mean the reactive System One kind -- I mean the pulse-quickening, pupil dilating, headache causing cogitative variety.

I'm older than most white males and I'm not a bit worried.

Besides I would sooner starve to death than eat anything from McDonalds.

Anonymous said...

I used one of these terminals to order a hoagie sandwich at a WaWa outside Pittsburgh back in 2009. You people really need to get out of Mississippi more often. It's a real eye opener how backward and petty things are back home.

They also had them at Jack in The Box in Beaumont, Texas last time I was there on business.

Anonymous said...

12:47 To err is human. It takes a computer to really screw things up.

Anonymous said...

I took my family to Disney a few years ago. At one of the nicer restaurants. I entered, I entered my order on a kiosk type machine like this, I paid with a wristband that was connected to a credit card account, and the kiosk directed me to a general seating area.

When the meal came out, a person brought it to me. It was the first time I interacted with a person in the entire experience. They had tracked me via the wristband. I said to my wife that this is going to be widespread soon.

Anonymous said...

Is there a $15 minimum wage in Winona?

Frank Griffin said...

Back around 2010 I was watching a video interview on one of the financial websites. The subject was obvious at the time: What can be done about the devastated economy and the high unemployment numbers? Whoever was being interviewed summed it up as well as I've heard then or since: The economy will fix itself; employment is most significantly affected by technology.

"What does not change is the will to change." Charles Olson (ca. 1950)

Anonymous said...

But who will be left to say, "here go yo change"?

Anonymous said...

@1:29 PM

Spoken like an old fuddy duddy who got passed by long ago.

When the last of the boomers have squandered the nation's treasure and died, we will live in a time when the oldest generations alive either grew up on Apple II and Commodore 64, or Nintendo and Windows PCs.

No one alive should have any problems with AI voice interaction or a touch display.

Anonymous said...

@ 1:07.... yea, she's accomplished a lot, lik having a melt down every time she put under pressure. Having her own party throw her under the bus for being a complete and total idiot. Hasn't accomplished a thing for the losers in her district that voted for her...kinda, sorta like ole Kennuf Stokes.

Yea shit for brains, you'd believe that is a sign of greatness. The two fellows that work on back of our trash truck produces more than she has or ever will. Thanks for proving why you love the DIM-O-KRAT party. Go back West Capitol and see the wonders of what DIM-O-KRATS have destroyed and can't fix, you're out of your league here.

Anonymous said...

I’m with 1:18.
I don’t eat at McDonald’s.

Anonymous said...

At 13:07 “accomplished “ is a subjective and relative term....I am quite comfortable with what I have done in life, how about you?

Anonymous said...

Kroger & Walmart have you checking out your groceries. They staff one checkout lane with a hugh line. This makes you use self checkout.

Anonymous said...

It is at first funny, but later troubling, how triggered white males get by a powerful woman of color like AOC.

Anonymous said...

This is one of the many tools that will end the need for minnial labor. As I said before I believe that we are not far from per person cash payments.
Automation,Robotics and computers will make socialism the only way to go.

Anonymous said...


@12:42 We're so far behind we think we're first! LOL

Anonymous said...

2:11 pm

Back to peddling bbq Steve

You ain’t all that smart either

Anonymous said...

Heading up to McDonald's in Winona, Mississippi has always been on my bucket list.

Hermit King said...

Yeah let's hear more ignorant jingoistic bashing Universal Basic Income. It is as if you guys want your descendants to relive the torture of the early years of industrial revolution.

I guess none of you paid attention to history in your GED night classes.. UBI needs to be worked in slowly to allow the free markets to adjust and government policies can be adapted.

Automation is going to cause massive employment disruption. It's not an if, it's a when. And it is far better to have the social safety net already in place and greasing the economic wheels of agriculture, health care, and housing long before the massive unemployment sets in.

Anonymous said...

12:47 PM AI is already doing the work that doctors, nurses, and technicians used to do. People can do EKG's and other tests on their Apple Watch and other devices now FREE. Technology is not just coming to McDonalds, half of the people in the wealthier suburbs of Madison County will find their jobs no longer exist in 5 years.

Anonymous said...

IBM's Watson has proved more accurate at diagnosis that human doctors??? Huh?

Watson's not lived up to the hype. AI is here. Like it or not. Billions of R&D $$ are being poured into this tech annually. Just about every market you can imagine.

Kiosk service has been available all over the U.S. for years. It's finally hitting home. Not surprising though. Most people that live here expect human interaction. Unlike many other places I travel. Makes sense that you would take your time introducing tech like this in a state that still struggles with the basics. How many people here are going to require assistance using this device? How many people are going to grin and bare it? How many are going to <3 it? Time will tell.

Stopped shopping at Walmart years ago because of the lines and self checkout. If I have to pay and provide free labor for my goods..... should be given a discount. So, I shop elsewhere (including Amazon), or do without. It's really all about my convenience when I'm spending my hard earned money. If a kiosk works for you. Fine with me. Same with self checkout. Nothing beats excellent customer service, which we've given up time after time for cheaper and faster. Here we are. Fast and cheap at a fast and cheap restaurant.

Anonymous said...

@ 5:12
I didn't move from Cuba 25 years ago to have any sort of UBI... I lived that in my old country and I want no part of it. You may have studied in history. I lived with government ruling my life. Give me freedom and a free fair market any day.

Anonymous said...

6:09 pm

Get your ass back to Cuba

Hermit King said...

@6:09 PM
At what point in Cuba's history did they accomplish massive food surpluses, fuel surpluses, Artificial Intelligence, and advanced robotics?

Because in the USA we have. And the removal of physical labor as a valuable commodity is rapidly approaching. And without UBI it won't matter if you are a leissez-faire capitalist or a proletarian communist revolutionary, people will suffer when there are no jobs to put food on the table.

Unknown said...

Relax! When I was in school in NYC in 1953 Horn & Hardart was already serving food this new-fangled way. It was automated, fast, and efficient, but in all these years has not replaced waitresses, cashiers, and all the low paid people working now.













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PittPanther said...

1:19pm, a Wawa outside of Pittsburgh? I don't think so...

Wawa is Philly, Sheetz is Pittsburgh. Get your lies straight.

Logic Bomb said...

@PittPanther,
Technically all Wawa's are all outside of Pittsburgh.

Anonymous said...

The first thing I thought of when I saw this post was Wawa in Philly and admit it surprised me a bit to see it mentioned here. I have no idea of the market area, but I know they have had them in Philly for years. Thankfully, I haven't had to go to Pittsburgh in at least 20 years, so I cannot speak to anything about it. Hell, Jason's Deli has had an "Express Kiosk" for soup and salad bar orders for years, too.

Anonymous said...

These were already in use in Europe in 2012 when I visited.

Rod Knox said...

Cubans revolted against the American Mafia's control of the island and Washington supported the Mafia and for 60 years Cuba has been paying the price for throwing Myer Lansky out. Castro visited Washington immediately after the coup and Ike was too busy playing golf to speak to him.

Anonymous said...

And, paradoxically, with the onslaught of AI a greater number of people of all demographics have jobs than ever before. Go figure.

Anonymous said...

What or who the hell is A1?

Anonymous said...

Still takes a human to throw that burger into a microwave and bring it to you without the correct sides, or quantity. If I could only rely on robot then I would eat at these places,

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

What or who the hell is A1?

May 8, 2019 at 3:17 PM


That was the Secret Service codename for John Kerry-Heinz

Anonymous said...

May 7 3:03.... AOC is NOT a "powerful woman of color" by any stretch of the imagination! She is nothing but an egotistical blathering idiot! I've yet to hear or read an intelligent comment she has made. And no.... I'm not a "triggered white male" (you obviously are quite the racist!). I am a "woman of color" that actually has a brain and common sense.

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