Going to be live-blogging the election tonight. Stay tuned. Ah, Hell's Kitchen was on. What a way to start the night.
First numbers in from Desoto: 5 precincts in 2,280 votes for Tate Reeves / 1,164 votes for Billy Hewes. Will this hold up for Tate? Gee, do we have to endure Matt Friedeman AGAIN? Damn, WAPT, can't you find some other conservatives? Why do we have to watch the same damn "analysts" for the last 20 years.
OK, some numbers from Madison. 7 precincts in. Phil at 60%. I've a feeling that will be the trend for the Governor's race all night long. Billy & Tate nearly dead even. Lynns got 52% of vote in those seven precincts while the other two literally split the remainder. Ag: Cindy up 60/30. Don' think that will hold up. Dang, Meg Pace looks really nice tonight. WLBT, should've taken a chance on her when you had her. ;-) Still no results from Hinds. Oh I love it, Dick Hall has 73% of vote so far in Madison County. State Senate in Madison: Only one or two P's in. Too soon to mention. Wait a second, Nearly a third of the precincts in and Marsha Weems Stacey is kicking butt.
Great. WAPT reporting Hinds County Sheriff's results and there is nothing on the Hinds website. Are Josh Harkins and Knox Ross headed to a runoff? 9 precincts in in Madison and Ross has 37%, Harkins 31%, and Gaines 26%. Gaines a tough guy. Once broke his neck and took himself to the hospital holding his neck in place with both hands.
Half the precincts in Madison are in and Dick Hall has nearly 73% of the vote. Damn. Guess there was no hunk of burning love for Tim in Madison County anymore. 3 precincts in, Longwitz at 54%, Barbour at 40%. This will be an interesting race to watch tonight as the last four days grew pretty contentious between the two sides.
OK, Madison County Sheriff's race. Damn. 45% of precincts in and Randy Tucker has 45% of the vote. Did the controversy over Chief Deputy Belvedresi actually create a backlash favoring Tucker? Interesting. Jimmy at 25% and Brad at 19%. Sandridge has only 8% of the vote. Ok, Mac is tightening up, only five points down to Tyrone with 26% of the vote in. Did you get that? I said TYRONE LEWIS and spell that name right!!! Oops, back to Madison. 54% of vote in and Tucker down to 35%, Jimmy at 31, Brad at 21.
Madison Supervisors. District 1: 20% of vote in and John Bell & Leland are 3 votes apart. Dogfight? District 2: Lott has a 9 vote lead over Hutchinson with 43% of the vote. District 3: 30% of the vote and D.I. has a 60/40 lead. Damn.
Madison Justice Court: 45% of the vote in and DAMN, Weisenberger is kicking ass. 67% of the vote. I figured this one would be a runoff but that was before Mr. Hawkins past conviction was revealed and another candidate dropped out of the race. 43% of the vote in in District 2 and Marsha is .33% short of a majority. Go Marsha. District 4, a third of the vote in and Good Ole Louvier has 39% of the vote. The incumbent, Robert Schuler Smith's favorite judge, only has 13% of the vote. Damn.
"I think my bulldog will chase Elvis out of the building." Best line of the night. Please Dick, kick his ass. Damn, Tammy Eastwick in red. I will also say its nice seeing the shots from the King Edward instead of friggin Corky's or Jim Buck Ross Masoleum where plywood is the material of choice.
Big boxes from Northbay, Highland Colony, and FBC Yandell Road coming in. Question: What happens if Mac and Tyrone go to a runoff? THAT would be interesting. Just saw the ad for the Castle at Raymond. I'll digress for a second. Really is nice to see that open again as I used to love going there at Christmas time to enjoy the light displays. I hope they bring back that tradition. Damn, STILL no damn votes reported on the Hinds website.
73 precincts in. IATL is at 48%, Mac at 46%. What happens if we get a runoff? Simple. Everyone but those who voted in Republican primary can vote. Not good. Meg Pace looks taller than Billy Hewes. Work on that Billy.
64% of the vote in in Madison. Longwitz up 54-43. A little suprise: Knox has 44% of the vote in Madison County, Harkins has 33%, Gaines 11%. Didn't think Knox would do as well in Madison but he has. Nice job. Supervisors: 71% of the vote in and Lott has 55% of the vote. Give him credit. He campaigned for the job, did what he needed to do, and was aggressive in advertising. 60% of the vote in and John Bell kicking Leland's ass 58% to 42%. $10,000 from Rudy don't hurt. 57% of the vote in and D.I. is up 54-45 over Gerald but its only a 150 vote margin. Too close to call although I think its going to be another four years of 4-1 votes if he wins as the Rudy block is winning.
Mac is on camera. How ironic. I remember when Mac first ran. He was the young challenger taking on the long-time Sheriff J.D. McAdory and lost the first time. The similarities between the Mac/Mac fights and the Mac/Lewis ones. I just remembered I miss going to Paul's on Hwy 80 with Grandad and Mr. McAdory for morning coffee when I was a kid.
DAMN!!! DOWN GOES DAVIS!!! That's right, Doug Davis got frackin' beat. Guess he already had that chair measured and forgot about actually running for his seat. damn. Desoto paper: "DESOTO COUNTY- In a stunning upset, Republican State Senate candidate Chris Massey defeated incumbent Sen. Doug Davis, the sitting chairman of the powerful Senate Appropriations Committee.
Back to Madison as its almost done for the night. District 1: 90% in and John Bell up by 350 votes. He has this one in the bag. Ronnie Lott won by 200 votes over Dick Hutchinson. The move by the Gang to get Billy out of District 2 paid off. 86% of the vote in and D.I. is up by 250 votes over Gerald at 54%. He might actually pull this off. Damn. Over to Justice Court. Marsha got 43%, Weber got 37%. You know what that means: THUNDERDOME. Two men enter, only one leaves. In District 3 Weisenberger go 67% of the vote. Hats off to Bill. Class act and nice guy although he talks almost as much as I do. District 4: The incumbent didn't even get 20% of the vote. Damn. THAT is what I call some SERIOUS rejection. Louvier at 33% and McKinley at 30%-runoff probably with 78% of the vote in. Sheriff: 93% in: Jimmy 33%, Randy 28%, Brad 24%. Sandridge: 11%. Brad is 700 votes behind Randy. That means Randy and Jimmy probably in the runoff.
Senate #25: Longwitz won Madison County by roughly 1,000 votes. Barbour is ahead in Hinds by roughly 800 votes with one box outstanding: Precinct #78. Down to the wire time. Josh actually won Senate #20 in Madison by 100 votes but is losing by 200 in Rankin with 3 boxes out. Going to be a runoff. Just in: D.I. lost by 117 votes. Valiant effort, he duked it out with Gerald and lost. Nothing to feel ashamed about. Yup. Going to be Randy and Jimmy in runoff: Jimmy 35%, Randy 27%. I suspect Brad will back Jimmy. No inside info, just a guess.
Enough of Madison, lets move over to Rankin. Someone asked about Lindsay: Shirley has 63% of the vote with 93% in. Time to check out the statewide results in Rankin as this is the key county in the Republican Primary:
Phil 70%, Dave 23% with 83% counted. No surprise here as its Phil's home turf. Same % counted, Tate is at 60-40. No surprise there either. Surprise in Treasurer: Lee at 40%, Lynn at 38%, and Lucien at 22%. Lynn carried Madison County at 47% while the other two tied at 26%. Damn. Will my prediction of last night come true? I predicted Lee and Lynn in runoff.
Hinds website STILL is not working. If there is ANYTHING that has validated my reporting on how screwed up Hinds County government is, this is it. Y'all can't even get the damn website to work for election night. Lets move over to statewide stuff.
Governor: 38% in, Phil up at 57%. Almost up to my prediction of 62% for Phil. Still haven't figured out the Dennis campaign or if one even existed. Phil campaigned for this job for four years but I'm not sure if and when Dennis ever did. He worked hard but made mistake after mistake. Just proves my thesis you need to lose before you can win. First-time candidates just think they can run for higher office and win because they have a better resume. There is a reason politicians are well, politicians. They've run and lost a few times, figured out what worked and what didn't. No substitute for experience and running for office is no exception. The Co-governors worked hard for this seat and will get their reward in January.
Lieutenant Governor: 65% in and Tate up at 55%. Almost nailed this one but still might before the night is out. Tate raised the money. Tate was out there campaigning working for the job. Billy made the mistake Dave made and didn't spend the first few months introducing himself to the voters. He then had to introduce himself and discuss the issues and somehow raise money at the same time. Madison County said it perfectly: For all of the support from the Madison County Republican establishment, Tate still broke even with Billy and that is where Billy's breakthrough outside of South Mississippi needed to take place.
Don't count out Mac just yet. Boxes outstanding: Clinton, Wynndale, Utica.
Treasurer: OH YEAH. Who da fuggin' man? Who fuggin' called it? I'm sorry, I've been watching IamTLewis too long. 83%: Lynn Fitch 37% Lee Yancey 34 Lucien Smith 29. Did I tell you I am Tyrone Lewis? I said last night Lucien would come in third and everyone said he would come in first. Ads were horrible, tried to say too much in one ad, only been out of law school three years, didn't really connect with voters. I like him, he has a future and can vote for him in another office but I could see him losing this one as he had no real base and did not run a good media campaign. I told you he would get beat. None of y'all believed me. I told you he was going down. You thought because he had $400,000 and the bond cartel behind him he could be beat. I told you I'd knock out Lucien Liston. You thought he was unbeatable. You thought he would would knock out Lynn and Lee. He ain't as fast as I am, he ain't as smart as I am, and he ain't as pretty as I am. He might have some endurance but when going against my predictions you better get some insurance. I'm pretty, got that? I'm pretty and can't be beat.
By the way Tate, you need a haircut. You got the job part down, now get a haircut you hippie. ;-)
The Hinds County online election results STILL are not working. Nathan Hargrove must have the contract for it. Ag: Max got clobbered. Shows the power of an articulate candidate backed by Farm Bureau. Serious question. Do I open another bottle of wine or move up to Makers?
Runoffs: Fitch/Yancey, Harkins/Ross, Houston/Tucker. Possible: Barbour/Longwitz, Mac/Lewis
Longwitz has 6,788 votes or 49.7% BUT there are 1,000 absentees in Madison County overall and 400 in Hinds to count. Stay tuned.
Its 6:15 Wednesday Morning. The Hinds County Website STILL has no election results posted. Zero. Nada. Zilch. Pitiful. Simply pitiful. One thing I noticed last night was the speed the results were announced. Guess we can think technology for that feature. I mean within 90 minutes or so, we all knew who was going to win most races. No more sitting up half the night watching returns. Takes all the fun out of election night. I'll be on WJNT this morning discussing the results from 8-9.
Tuesday, August 2, 2011
Liveblogging the election
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Randy Tucker is kicking ass!!!
Do you have a woody like Kim for Reeves KF?
There's not a candidate this year that really got me fired up and I suspect that might account for some of the lower turnout.
Dang, Meg Pace looks really nice tonight.
Along with Erin Kelly's WAPT is sportin' damn fine 'visuals' right now beyond their reportin'!!!
Not sure what is up with Stuart Kellogg but he most definitely has to be into ample racks!!!
Does anyone know where the Madison Penny Coastal church is located?
I see where Crisler and Benford are tied!!!
35 Of 199 Precincts Reporting
AND MCMILLIN TRAILS!!
Are you live blogging or snoozing?
@8:20, I've seen ampler. Marsha Thompson FTW.
But WAPT has few other claims to fame. Go Vixens!!
Let us know KF if you aren't going to stay on top of this and we'll go elsewhere.
What happened to the Republicans? Did they not show up?
YAWN ... Way to Lange on us.
Go Marsha!
Yeah, if I was Lange you wouldn't even be commenting and I would be backing whoever could get me the best deal on tax credits.
If Hewes wins nobody should ever, ever doubt the Phil Bryant influence machine again.
Thank God we have a Republican in the Public Service Comm - Central - Addie Green is a step above Dot Benford. The dumb is strong with that one.
We DO have a Republican don't we?
I had no idea that Hewes is a midget!
What is happening in Rankin Co?
Meg Pace looks taller than Billy Hewes. Work on that Billy.
And has a far superior rack.
Now if we were measuring against Brandon Presley it would be a push.
Unofficial but the count in Madison county district 1 justice court judge - Marsha Weems Stacey - 706 - 49% Trey O'Cain - 330 - 23% - Greg Weber - 378 - 26%
11 of 14 precincts reporting
AP calling it for Dick Hall.
Knox Ross is a RINO and Ben Allen surrogate idiot. Way to go Madison County!
Bizarre exchange between Mac and Eastwick on WAPT just now. She asked how much longer he would want the office and he replied by asking how much longer she wanted her job. Long, uncomfortable pause. He then said that he only wanted one more term. Very strange. Even so, if he loses, I'll finally be through with Hinds County.
Bo Tanner loves Madison County.
Elvis has left the building.
Tell you what, we coulda had a good life together! Fuckin' real good life! Had us a place of our own. But you didn't want it, Tyronne! So what we got now is Brokeback Mountain! Everything's built on that! That's all we got, boy, fuckin' all. So I hope you know that, even if you don't never know the rest! You count the damn few times we have been together in nearly twenty years and you measure the short fucking leash you keep me on - and then you ask me about Mexico and tell me you'll kill me for needing somethin' I don't hardly never get. You have no idea how bad it gets! I'm not you... I can't make it on a coupla high-altitude fucks once or twice a year! You are too much for me Tyronne, you sonofawhoreson bitch! I wish I knew how to quit you.
Okay, every time FK says "Damn", everybody drink!
The JJ live blogging drinking game!
Woops, make that, "KF".
Stu doesn't need your permission to drink nor to bed a NE Jax wife.
Hinds county and Jackson are TOAST if Mac loses. Somebody, anybody, turn out the lights. That is if anyone is left outside the downtown area actually there paying the light bill. Calling Ben Allen and Harvey now to ask WTF?
Tyrone's campaign headquarters is hopping tonight with some fine music and a nice spread of food.
Whip it Baby!
Ben's answer will be a 'temporary' property tax increase.
OOOPS. Already done that. Near-strokesville.
Congrats to Chokwe! Well run campaign. Now here's to Obama/Biden in 2012!
Phil Bryant will be the new Governor, which is proof that the majority of Mississippians are retarded.
We deserve the government we are about to get.
32% in KF and George DumbSmith is going down!!
Phil Bryant will be the new Governor, which is proof that the majority of Mississippians are retarded.
No. The proof of that is will be the Reeves election.
Is my man Charles Lindsey in by a landslide? He's such a good guy and deserves the office, all that confession stuff was all fluffed up anyways. Maybe everyone that voted for Phil voted for him too since all of us know they are really nice guys and cut from the same NIKNAR county cloth. Dumber than freshly washed sheets at times, but really nice guys. Go Charles and Phil ! ! !
As shitty an online job as there has ever been in Hinds for election results. God love you Marilyn but y'all have royally screwed the pooch tonight.
+1 to 9:45 and 9:48. And to the good people of Hinds County, your exits are to the east and to the north. As sad as it is to witness the final nail in the coffin of your county, I take comfort in knowing that my property value in the suburbs will be higher when I wake up in the morning.
I am really pulling for Billy Hewes. I am gay & even Tate is to Nellie for me to deal with for another 4 years.
I said it long ago but anonymously.
The election of Bryant, Reeves and Yancey will be the trifecta of Mississippi stupidity.
If GOPers think fat boy Reeves will be your candidate for Governor in 8 years please check yourselves in NOW for frontal lobotomies.
I predict a mild recovery for the Madison County real estate market in the next 12 months.
effin stupid ass Madison county voters, WAPT site showing Steen over DI. It's going to be 4 years of shit. Steen and the bag boy together
The only thing whiter and fatter than Tate is the crowd at his headquarters.
I'm a conservative and will never vote for Tate Reeves to be Governor of Mississippi.
10:12 I hope so because after the sup results, I think I will head for the water ohh the other side of the water and I want my house to sell for as much as possible. Rankin county is looking better by the minute NEVER thought I would want to live in Rankin county.
I voted for Hewes and dislike Reeves for a host of reasons. However, what's the basis for calling him stupid? Arrogant, immature, untested...sure. But he's never come across as stupid, at least that I've seen.
Whatever people in Rankin Co do please give money to Harkins because Ross is a certifiable RINO who will sell your values and principles out to assuage his massive ego.
Madison County's biggest winner tonight with zero losses: Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy...............and Eric Hamer.
I going to the drugstore to get an industrial size jar of petroleum jelly stat.
I didn't think I would either, but have been here for 5 years and love it. Come on over...I believe our new sheriff is a good one and we can understand him when he speaks.
Did Tate star as Jake on 2 and a half men a few years ago?
And your experience running a statewide campaign Mr. Kingfish is exactly what?
Amen, hallelujah, holy shit!
Yes you can!
The thugs made a really good backdrop for Lewis speech on WAPT. Glad I don't live in Hinds County.
Tyrone.
Holy. GOD.
Well, I did my part today, Mac.. I tried..
I'm gonna tell you this one time, Dorsey fuckin' Carson, an' I ain't foolin'. What I don't know - all them things that I don't know - could get you killed if I come to know them. I ain't jokin'.
McMillin did his part too to mess it all up.
Whitey tying to steal this damn thang.
Goodbye McMillin. Stuart will send you a CARE package with some leftover condoms from his drinkin', drivin' and friends' wife bangin' days.
I guess Tyrone doesn't know "The Incumbents" name since that is how he has referred to Mac all night.
Say goodbye to George Smith. And if you live in Jackson wish Kenny Stokes well on his new assignment to f'k things up just a tad bit less than Smith.
From what I can tell the Irbys just saved a bundle in campaign contributions going forward.
Anybody see the Malouf clan making out with Tyrone after his acceptance speech? Wonder what's in it for them?
The Maloufs plan to send Twitterwell to the showers. Just watch.
Sorry McMillinApologist. The party is over.
153 Of 153 Precincts Reporting
SHERIFF
Johnnie E Bowden (Dem) 1338 4.097%
Tyrone Lewis (Dem) 16747 51.278%
Malcolm E. McMillin (Dem) 14574 44.625%
Total 32659
Just going by what I'm told by the courthouse, prick.
RobertStowersHargroveGraham got 5900 mushbrains to vote for him against no opponent.
28 Of 28 Precincts Reporting
SUPERVISOR DISTRICT 1
Robert Graham (Dem) 5896 100.000%
Total 5896
No doubt Graham will be kissing Tyronne Lewis' ass tomorrow morning.
If IamTLewis wins - Hinds County is royally screwed. WAPT reports the totals are completely wrong. TLewis DID NOT win this.
My suggestion would be for the HC BOS to give George Smith two engraved E.F Johnson radios as a parting gift.
WAPT has the shittiest election night coverage I've ever seen in my life.
No one who works there should ever be allowed to reproduce. What a bunch of tards.
If you only knew J.Kev how bad it is there ... if you only knew.
Thanks to any and all JJ readers who voted for me today....y'all got me to a run-off, and I am really thankful. I know another three weeks of the madness is not what anyone is looking forward to, but I'd surely appreciate your support on August 23!
Marsha Weems Stacey
Should have moved up to Makers 2 hours ago.
If anyone had any illusions of Hinds County retaining any semblance of law and order, that's gone. It party time for da hip hop crowd.
The HCSO will be gutted by Jan 31st to make way for Tyrone's cousins.
This has been a totally shitty day. Dennis lost, Hewes lost, Mac lost and the Republicans in Congress just f***ed over everyone who voted them in in November for the 2nd time.
At least Elvis got his ass thoroughly beat.
Tomorrow the signs at the city limits will be changed. "Welcome to Jackson" will be replaced with "Lasciate ogni speranza voi ch'entrate".
Let's see Ben Allen try to sell Hinds County and downtown livin' now.
Hope Stokes' van is reliable enough to drive all through his larger Sup district putting up those handmade Xmas signs.
I like and respect Sheriff McMillin, and would never say anything negative about him.
That being said, I take at least some pleasure in the Lewis victory. This pleasure is derived from the fact that it so annoys silly white people, most of whom don't live here. Keep trashing Jackson and Hinds County and fondling yourselves. Ya'll are always good for a laugh.
If you think selling a town with your motto Reed is such, I beg to differ. You are only sowing the seeds of a future that is non-inclusive.
Yes, focus on safety within the community, but "Quam super , vos es stultus quod ignarus?"
Shocked by Mac upset.
If is anyone investigating his son for the comments he made publicly regarding his new found influence?
HELLO FEDS!
Peeee Heww. Aw shucks.
Tucker / Houston (Madison County)
Seeing as Houston has had a turn over rate of 21 people in 1 year, I think we need someone in the Sheriff's Dept that people will actually want to work for.
Tucker For Sheriff
Does this mean my Sons of Confederate Veterans tag will be problematic for me if I drive into Hinds now?
It's not my motto, KK. It belongs to Dante, and it's quite applicable.
By the way, thanks for the insult and enjoy your new sheriff. Maybe he'll invite you to one of Junior's hip hop throwdowns at HCSO HQ next year.
Crowley,
I live in Hinds County and now I am envious of Madison County for the first time. Living in Jackson with current state of JPD is bad enough but TRone as Sheriff is just too much. The Belhaven, Fondren and NE Jackson liberals should finally be satisfied with the diversity in this city and now county. I used to say how much worse can it get; we are about to find out. FSBO will be in my yard by this weekend.
Have fun with Yo new sheriff. As he said, a sheriff for all the people, including outlaws.
The value of homes in Jackson just took a huge hit.
How many for sale signs will go up between now and January?
Mac should organize a write-in campaign
Mac has no way to get 'his' votes to the polls. All the Headstart and Jatran busses are obligated to Trone.
Does anyone know where the Madison Penny Coastal church is located?
August 2, 2011 8:21 PM
If you're still wondering, head out 463 about a mile and you'll see the sign. Take a right at the sign. PS: I'm sure you know you misspelled it.
We should get the word soon that there is major voter fraud happening at the Hinds County polls. If the people of Hinds County were stupid enough to put someone who commits perjury into office - then I guess that is what they deserve. People with the slightest bit of sense will move. Wonder what they will do without the tax dollars of those who actually work for a living? Someone has to work to provide those welfare dollars ya know.
I am shocked that D I Smith lost. I thought he was a lock and one that was badly needed. Does anyone know how Steen pulled off the upset? Steen was always a thorn in Mayor McGee's side and surprisingly he endorsed Steen. I have heard rumors of a meeting between Gene McGee and Elvis/Rudy that may have compelled such support
A lot of people are still ticked at the way D.I. went into office 4 years ago. He and Taggart orchestrated a slick one on the voters.
I do think D.I. is the most honest of the 5 on the board (which ain't saying much). However, remember that every politician has an agenda. EVERY DANG ONE OF THEM! They all know how to spin things and talk out of both sides of their mouth.
As someone who deals with them regularly, let me say that I've seen every one of them tell a lie.
You peeps pissed off at McMillin's loss should take your anger out on your candidate. He should have skipped the party tomfoolery and run as an Independent in November. THAT would have earned him another term.
The insinuation that the only thing keeping the value of homes up in the city of Jackson is/was the presence of a white sheriff IS RIDICULOUS. Mac made his own bed when he rebuffed the suggestions of many (myself included) that he run as an independent rather than a Democrat, which would have given the thousands of GOP primary voters (including myself) the chance to help him. BTW, most of us in NE Jxn are not affected one way or the other by who is the sheriff.
BTW, most of us in NE Jxn are not affected one way or the other by who is the sheriff.
Yup cause Mac didn't do shit for NE Jax except pimp the voters every four years.
Thank you, 9:07. I was hoping someone would say that.
My house is not going on the market because of a sheriff's race (double -entendre intended). That is asinine.
Four more years for the Hinds County Circuit Clerk's office to resemble an episode of Hoarders. Good work voters.
EXACTLY, 9:07 and 9:17. I feel the same way. I did want Mac in, but, is it going to control up rooting my family from the house and neighborhood I love? Um, no.
The Jackson doom n' gloomers are going to say the usual, "final nail in coffin", "golly gee glad I live in Madison", blah blah. Whatever. Good points/bad points in each county.. I'm sick of the war.
Gene McGee has always been a barely legal slimeball. I guess Elvis/Rudy must have saved some evidence to get him to support Steen.
Would someone please explain how the race for Sheriff in Hinds County can immediately be deemed to have incorrect results but the other race results on the Democratic ballot would be okay?
@9:07 - It's actually not that Lewis is black. No big deal there. It's two things: (1) The voters of Hinds County chose a chief law enforcement officer with such a checkered past, and (particularly in light of 1) (2) Hinds County apparently will elect someone to countywide office on a platform of "I'm Black!" and nothing else.
Sing it with me: "Shall we gather at the river...?"
I believe you misunderstood my question. I mean the actual results. How is the figures are wrong for one race but not for the others?
Kingfish?
Think I'll go watch my Blazing Saddles DVD.
Well, the sheriff is near...
814am: "stupid enough to put someone who commits perjury into office...."
814, stop lying about Tyrone Lewis. He didn't commit perjury in the Rebelwood case. Any suggestion to the contrary is bullshit, because it just ain't true.
His testimony in Rebelwood was in accordance with a ruling by the Court that excluded certain evidence. After the Court admonished the parties and witnesses not to mention that evidence in the presence of the jury, Lewis complied with the order (as he was required to do). When Lewis testified, he did not mention the evidence that the judge had excluded.
The Supreme Court found that the judge erroneously excluded the evidence. The exclusion of the evidence by the judge is what caused Lewis' testimony to be incorrect. Had the court not excluded the evidence, Lewis' testimony would have been different (and factually accurate). Only a fool would get on the witness stand and disobey a judge's order not to mention something in front of the jury.
Notably, the plaintiff's other experts, Ken Goodrum and John Tisdale, gave testimony consistent with Lewis' testimony. Their testimony was likewise incorrect, due to the court's ruling and by no fault of their own.
The Supreme Court did not find that Lewis committed perjury. They also never said that his testimony was intentionally false. The fault was laid squarely upon the trial court excluding the evidence. The Court even went so far as to state that the actual investigating officers were "severely limited in their testimony" due to the Court's ruling.
Read the opinion, then come back and apologize to Mr. Lewis for your own false statements.
Curt, I am amazed that a sensible and considered comment was made on this website. Thank you. 98% of the comments on this blog lack any sense of respect, decency, thoughtfulness, or intelligence.
98% of the comments on this blog lack any sense of respect, decency, thoughtfulness, or intelligence.
But you still read for the mere 2% of value? You are not a very discerning nor thrifty consumer.
Curt's remarks about the Rebelwood case are not, I think, consistent with what the Supreme Court wrote:
Part of the excluded exhibit included findings of fact contained in a sworn affidavit Jones presented to a court to obtain an arrest warrant. The erroneous ruling allowed plaintiff’s expert, Tyrone Lewis, to testify with impunity and without fear of exposure, “[T]here is no documentation, no written statements or anybody to come forward to say that it did not happen [at Rebelwood].” The trial court should have known that Lewis’s statement was untrue. In fact, repeated references and statements to the contrary exist throughout the investigative reports. A cursory examination would reveal this truth.
The bolded statement was a lie. It's not just a matter of Lewis's testifying that the shooting occurred at Rebelwood and evidence to the contrary's being excluded.
No: Lewis testfied under oath that there "is no documentation" to the contrary. That was a lie on a fact material enough to the case that the MSSC reversed on that basis.
How is that not civil perjury? Please explain.
Also: "They also never said that his testimony was intentionally false."
Well, that issue wasn't before them, but look again at what they did write:
"The erroneous ruling allowed plaintiff’s expert, Tyrone Lewis, to testify with impunity and without fear of exposure, [insert lie here]."
What does that sound like to you? Does someone not intentionally lying need to have any "fear of exposure" if contrary documents aren't excluded from evidence?
The MSSC's sense of restraint and decorum should not be manipulated to imply that Lewis did nothing wrong. To anyone who knows how to read a judicial opinion, the unstated message here is "Tyrone Lewis lied like a rug."
10:59, I heard that the sheriff's race was left off the ballot in Byram. This would explain how the other results are valid, but the sheriff's race is up for a challenge. I don't know anything about challenges, but I would think enough people would have to have been disenfranchised by the error to have made a difference in the election for a challenge to work.
For what it's worth, this was Mac's last term, so his loss would only hasten the inevitable by 1 term. Also, if you believe Jackson has gone "down the tubes," it has done so on his watch.
I also heard the DI/Steen race was not over, and could go either way, based on absentee ballots.
And while I'm on the subject of Madison County, do ya'll think the Harbour/Sandridge people will throw their votes behind Tucker or Houston? I would think Tucker, since they're all local guys and from similar backgrounds, but they might want to get Houston elected, since he'll probably only stay for one term and they can run again. If Tucker gets it, he'll probably be there for a while.
Barbour/ Longwitz heading for a runoff. Longwitz got 49.7%, Barbour 47.3%. Should be fun to watch.
DI/Steen please clarify one last time, who won?
Steen won w/ 51%, unless those absentee ballots change it.
I've been opposed to Steen based on the redistricting trick and the presumption that anyone supported by Gene McGee must be corrupt, but if he wins, I will be happy to change my mind, just as I turned to supporting D.I. after the dubious manner of his being elected the 1st time around.
Still counting absentee/affidavit ballots in Madison. 25 race is in the air. I believe the sup. race is also, but don't know that for sure.
Coupled with all the things going on in Hinds, you're not going to have certified results for awhile in S25.
Anderson: "To anyone who knows how to read a judicial opinion, the unstated message here is "Tyrone Lewis lied like a rug."
Well Anderson, to anyone who tries cases to juries, your analysis is crap. If the witness is going to testify to facts A, B, C and D, and the judge excludes C and D, then the witness doesn't get to testify to C and D. His testimony is limited to the facts that were not excluded.
What was Lewis supposed to do? Testify to the facts that were excluded? Tell the judge to go f--k himself so his testimony would be complete?
The way this works is that the judge decides what evidence is permitted. Once the judge excludes certain evidence, that's it. It's the witness' job to obey the judge's order and testify as to the admissible evidence. He may not testify to matters the judge has excluded. It is *not* the witness' job to decide whether the judge is right or wrong and proceed as he (the witness) sees fit.
The simple fact of the matter is that the judge made an erroneous (albeit reasonable) pretrial ruling that the evidence was inadmissible hearsay and would not be allowed. The Plaintiff's lawyers then opened the door to allow the evidence in. The judge stuck with his original ruling and still refused to allow the evidence to be mentioned.
The judge said no. Period. End of discussion (until appeal, of course).
Longwitz's inability to garner more than 54% of the Madison County vote was a surprise.
Curt, I am surprised that you simply repeated yourself without paying any attention to my quotation from the MSSC op.
Mr. Lewis could have said "it happened like this" and matters would be as you represent.
But what he actually said was "“[T]here is no documentation, no written statements or anybody to come forward to say that it did not happen [at Rebelwood]."
That went beyond what you represent him as saying. He lied.
If he was asked whether there was other evidence, and that had been ruled inadmissible, it was counsel's job to object. It was not Mr. Lewis's job to lie under oath in supposed accordance with the court's evidentiary rulings.
I'm sure you don't instruct your witnesses to lie, and Mr. Lewis shouldn't have lied, either.
"Longwitz's inability to garner more than 54% of the Madison County vote was a surprise."
Well, he couldn't win in the county-court election either, could he? Not every Republican in Madison County is enamored with The Perpetual Campaign for Something-or-Other of Will Longwitz.
And in this particular instance, a fair number of folks would vote for Adolf H. Barbour or Osama bin Barbour over an opposing candidate, were such a name on the ballot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upvZdVK913I&feature=related
Not pc, but funny as hell.
And once again Anderson, you demonstrate the difference between paper law, and trial law.
At the time that question was posed to Lewis, there was simply no *admissible* "documentation... written statements or anybody to come forward to say that it did not happen [at Rebelwood]."
As far as your assertion that Lewis should have answered the question with all the information--in direct defiance of the judge's order--that's nuts. That's what a witness should do if he wants the mother of all ass-chewings.
Everyone in the courtroom was well-aware of the existence of the other (excluded) evidence. Especially the judge. To believe this was intentional perjury would require one to conclude that (a) the plaintiff's lawyer knowingly (and brazenly) offered perjured testimony, and (b) the judge knowingly sat back and allowed the perjured to be introduced. And that they did all this while defense counsel was repeatedly asking the judge to reconsider his ruling. Such a conclusion is ridiculous.
Everyone in the courtroom knew that Lewis was testifying in accordance with the Court's instructions. Otherwise, either plaintiff's counsel or the judge would have corrected the testimony.
And no I don't instruct my witnesses to lie. However, when a judge excludes evidence, I do instruct my witnesses that under no circumstances shall they utter a peep about what the judge has excluded.
I would have to see the question, but regardless, Lewis did not have to LIE. He *could* not lie. His oath was not to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, except where instructed otherwise by the court.
Once again: it's the lawyers' job to keep out excluded evidence. Not the witness's job. You continue to have trouble making that distinction.
... Such a conclusion is ridiculous.
Uh, okay, if you say so ...
FOOD FIGHT!
I too would like to see the question. Something tells me that this response was invited by the question. Tried to access the briefs to find the question, but they haven't been uploaded on westlaw or MC yet.
As to it being the lawyer's job to keep out excluded evidence, I agree with that. The problem is that the standard language in these orders instructs counsel to instruct their clients and witnesses not to reference the evidence during their testimony. Cops may screw up a lot on the stand, but if they are specifically instructed to not mention something, they usually comply.
I think our disagreement may be one of perspective. You seem to be analyzing this issue from a "lawyer/black letter law" standpoint (nothing wrong with that). I'm looking at the issue from the standpoint of a police officer who has been told not to speak on a particular subject in the presence of the jury. I think you have to view it from the witness' perspective to determine whether it was perjury.
Quite frankly, if I were put in that position, I too would have complied with the judge's ruling. That's a tight spot for any cop to be put in, even an experienced witness like Lewis. Hell I'm a lawyer and it would cause me some heartburn if I were put in the same position. Do I openly defy the judge, or do I do what the judge said and give inaccurate testimony? Rock, meet hard place.
My point is this: The facts are that (a) the complete true facts of the case were fully disclosed to the judge on the record in open Court, (b) the judge excluded the evidence, (c) Lewis was instructed not to mention those subjects. These facts could not possibly support an inference of perjury by Lewis. There is simply no evidence of an intent to deceive. It is far more likely that the intent was to comply with the order.
And let's face it, the case became a procedural clusterf--k. The well-intentioned judge (a good trial judge, IMO) made a reasonable, legally-supportable ruling on the front-end. Then plaintiff's counsel (who is a tough, fierce advocate) went a little too far in using the ruling to his client's advantage. Then the experts start testifying and before you know it, the proceedings are out of hand and beyond repair.
It seems fair to lay some of the blame on the judge. Even more fair to lay some of the blame on plaintiff's counsel. But I do not think it's fair to blame Lewis (or Goodrum or Tisdale or any other witness) for what happened.
It's just not perjury.
And no more law talk from me. Let's move on to something more productive--like making fun of Will Longwitz.
Anyone think Will's got a shot against Romney and Bachmann in Iowa? I hear he's formed an exploratory committee.
Madison County Absentee Ballot processing is on-going. As of 7pm tonight, 11 of 42 precincts had been processed. It is so time consuming because of having to transcribe many, many non-scanable absentee ballots to a ballot that is scanable. That is no easy task due to all the split precincts; some even had 3 different supervisor districts voting at the same precinct.
So, Madison County is still paying the price for the haphazard redistricting months after the qualification deadline.
Final Madison County Official results with absentee and affidavit ballots will not be until Thursday.
I laughed out loud at that one Curt.
I don't know Curt Crowley. Don't know if it's a woman or a man, black or white, adolescent or octogenarian, graduate of a real school of law or Phoenix University. But I do recognize a prick when I read his posts. A shill on so many levels. Self-serving, egotistical, wannabe comic obviously with an empty five-drawer file (from the extremely yellow building) usually reserved for case files. Am guessing he wears a T-Shirt emblazoned with "YOU COMMONERS DON'T KNOW SH*T"
(Standing by now for more of his insults)
"I don't know Curt Crowley. Don't know if it's a woman or a man, black or white, adolescent or octogenarian, graduate of a real school of law or Phoenix University. But I do recognize a prick when I read his posts. A shill on so many levels. Self-serving, egotistical, wannabe comic obviously with an empty five-drawer file (from the extremely yellow building) usually reserved for case files. Am guessing he wears a T-Shirt emblazoned with "YOU COMMONERS DON'T KNOW SH*T"
(Standing by now for more of his insults) "
And you would be, what, oh nameless one?
A man who posts with his own name far surpasses insulting nameless posters.
6:45,5:45 just can't dispute the message so he/she attacks the messenger.
Resorting to insults is proof of either immaturity or stupidity to grownups.
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I'm with Curt's argument on this one not because Anderson is who he is, but because of the following...
"The erroneous ruling allowed plaintiff’s expert, Tyrone Lewis, to testify with impunity and without fear of exposure"
Anderson's highlighting of the object in this sentence clearly attempts to lesson the courts clear subject of the sentence, "The erroneous ruling".
Grammar and logic dictate that the court's intention was clear when they wrote this. If the opposite were true, the sentence would have said:
Allowing Tyrone Lewis, the plaintiff's expert, to testify would have led to an erroneous ruling allowing him to testify with imputinity and fear of exposure
Any first year Latin student would understand this.
Kapt. K, my emphasis went to the intentional nature of Lewis's conduct.
Kidd excluded certain written evidence. That allowed Lewis to lie "with impunity" etc. Your rewrite does not fit the facts of the case.
What happened was (1) police records showed a guy said he shot a woman at point A and dumped her body at point B; (2) those records were excluded; (3) Lewis testified, not just that he thought the woman was shot at point B, but that there WAS NO DOCUMENTATION OR WRITTEN EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY.
That went beyond respecting the court's evidentiary ruling; he wasn't required to testify about such matters, and if he was asked about it, plaintiff's counsel should have jumped up and objected.
... As I wrote in another thread last night but the comment got eated, I have no personal animus against Curt, and am unimpressed with the commenters who do. He's just wrong about this. (And he thinks I'm wrong.)
Has Mac conceded yet? I heard he had not.
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