Friday, July 17, 2015

The Miami Shootout

Miami, 1986.  A time and place that still sends chills through the law enforcement community even though it took place nearly thirty years ago.  FBI agents unexpectedly got into a shootout with two serial bank robbers. There were two dead agents, two dead criminals, and five wounded agents when the smoke cleared and the blood stopped flowing. The FBI produced a video about the shootout that included a reenactment and a review by several of the surviving agents.


One fact that must be pointed out is the two suspects, Michael Platt and William Matix were soldiers formerly of the 101st Airborne.  Platt served in the Rangers in Vietnam and Matix served in the military police.  They were reported to have used up to 1,500 rounds per week while practicing at the range.  Truth be told, they were probably better trained than the agents. These were not average dime-store criminals or drug dealers packing Uzi's a la Miami Vice but motivated, trained, and on a mission.   They used a mini-14 and a shotgun.  Three agents used 9mm semi-automatic pistols while the rest used revolvers although one agent was able to use his shotgun as well.  Platt  took a 9mm round in the chest but was able to hit seven agents afterwards.  The FBI switched to the 10mm pistol after this massacre as it was determined that the agents were outgunned and failed by their weapons even when they hit both killers several times.





Listen to the police tapes of the shootout.

Posted by Kingfish at 12:00 AM

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

After the FBI switched to the 10mm, they went to the then-new .40 S&W, and have since gone back to the 9mm. Your tax dollars at work.

July 17, 2015 at 8:20 AM
Kingfish said...

So they should have stayed with the 9's and revolvers at the time? The 9mm rounds are different than thirty years ago. Tests show they achieve better results than the .40's.

July 17, 2015 at 8:22 AM
Anonymous said...

The problem was more that the revolvers had a 6 shot capacity vs the caliber.

July 17, 2015 at 9:09 AM
Anonymous said...

The .40sw was developed as a direct result of this incident and effectively at the request of the FBI.

Tests do NOT show that the 9mm luger achieves better results than the .40sw. The FBI testing used showed it currently achieved comparable results. If one reads the FBI statement, it states the current projectiles achieve comparable results as premium projectiles of both the .40sw and .45acp. The fact is, a good lobbyist just made a lot of money and told the FBI to state that commonly accepted physics regarding handgun ammunition performance are "simply a myth" and previous studies conducted by them and others are irrelevant.

The FBI states that 20% of shots, overall, by LEOs hit their target. They surmise that the less recoil 9mm will provide for more accurate follow up shots, since a single shot is not likely to incapacitate a determined subject. It's just dumb. They are not accurate to begin with. And this accuracy has nothing to do with the guns, bullets or ballistics. It's just the simple human part of it. At the point of having to pull a trigger on another human being, the human body is fighting against itself, as as far as accuracy is concerned.

Lastly, if the ballistics of the 9mm Luger have improved to the point that it has reached it's max physical ability, the same concepts could be adapted to other calibers, which would effectively make them a better choice.

I am not a caliber snob and do not believe there is a one size fits all. There are tools for different situations and selecting a single tool to fit a large mass is difficult at best. My issue is the justification of the change. Government more and more just snubs it's face at the individual as just ignorant imbeciles. A little obfuscation and truth bending and everything is OK. They don't even try to pretend.

July 17, 2015 at 9:14 AM
Anonymous said...

I love, LOVE love my 10mm's. Fantastic round. Only worry is over penetration. The round is a reliable thug stopper.

July 17, 2015 at 9:23 AM
Kingfish said...

You are correct.

July 17, 2015 at 9:34 AM
Anonymous said...

8:20 AM Here. I said nothing about revolvers or about which round was preferable. I just noted the FBI's circular waste of money chasing a magic bullet.

Of course former FBI director Louis Freeh also thought his men were using 9mm revolvers.

July 20, 2015 at 7:57 AM

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