Friday, February 5, 2016

We report, you decide: How to deal with Sovereign Citizens

Florida law enforcement officials produced this video that teaches police how to deal with sovereign citizens. 

Observe one sovvie in court.


Anonymous said...

These people are a special kind of idiot....

Anonymous said...

Once you know the Sovereign Shithead's majic words it's like they have a 20 foot tall flashing arrow with the words SOVEREIGN SHITIZEN above their heads. Be careful though, they like their guns.

Anonymous said...

The "Sovereign Citizens are nutty, but these are the true "domestic terrorists".

Anonymous said...

That whole thing could have been recorded in rankin county

Interlocutor said...

Most of the time, police illegally ask citizens for their identification. Without reasonable, articulable suspicion of a crime they can't do it. Most say they can do it because of "what is going on in the world today" or that they are giving you a lawful order. Don't ID yourself needlessly and video record EVERY interaction with the police.

Anonymous said...

F*ck the federalist US government. And it's agents.

Anonymous said...

thanks for the video. My takeaways: The producers pretty much stereotyped all SC as being potential terrorists.

That's rather ironic considering the rhetoric from Obama where he is apologizing to the muslims because they are being treated as assumed terrorists.

Anonymous said...

10:56 PM +1000

Verboten said...

Why do most of the police officers shave their head? Are they trying to look tough or they saw it on television? If you go to work as an attorney or CPA, do you shave your head? Part arrogant, part ignorant. If they could get any other decent job, they would.

Anonymous said...

Short or no hair is a tactical advantage in a fight.

Anonymous said...

Dude's monotone voice and goofy logic reminded me of the HAL 9000 computer in "2001: A Space Odyssey"

Day In Court said...

What difference does it make if he was an attorney. Since when can a person NOT have a person of his choosing represent him? The judge wasted an awful lot of time asking that silly question over and over. It may be foolish to have a non-attorney represent you in court; however, it's not illegal to be a fool.

"Most cops shave their heads"? Oh? I can't think of the last time I saw a cop with a shaved head. Now, sunglasses perched up on top of their heads is something else! A lawyer's effectiveness is not based on what he looks like either. He may look like Hoppy Kirksey or he may look like Gregory Peck. Who cares as long as the client walks?

Anonymous said...

@9:45: " If you go to work as an attorney or CPA, do you shave your head?"

I'm an attorney, and yes, I shave my head. I think it looks better than my male-pattern baldness.

@Day in Court: "What difference does it make if he was an attorney. Since when can a person NOT have a person of his choosing represent him?"

Uh... since forever. You have the right to represent yourself in court. You do not have the right to have anyone other than yourself or an attorney to represent you in court. The idea is to protect people from being represented by someone who has not at least proven they have a basic understanding of the law. This is one of the reasons a judge must advise a self-represented person at trial that if they proceed self-represented, they do so at their own peril.

Day In Court said...

For the chrome dome at 12:24; Begging your pardon, but it wasn't clear to me what kind of 'court' this was or if it was some sort of administrative law hearing. I've never seen a judge hiding behind a monitor or a gaggle of women adjusting computer equipment at the bench and then moving it around while the matter was proceeding. It didn't look to me like a court. There are hearings conducted by law judges (such as unemployment insurance appeals gaveled to order by an administrative law judge) that do allow non-attorneys to represent appellants/claimants. The same is true of Workers' Compensation hearings.

CPA said...

Policemen think that shaved head gives them more bravado.

Muldoon's Tootie said...

Again, I can't recall the last time I saw a cop with a shaved head. I'm sure there are some. There are probably some with flat-tops, weaves and rows too. Not sure about that either.

George Jefferson said...

It is not the shaved head, it's the lack of education that scares me. They have NO idea of the constitutional rights afforded citizens and recent court decisions that limit their authority.

Anonymous said...

Maybe the lack of hair is a sure sign of a lack of education.

Anonymous said...

Section 26. In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall have a right to be heard by himself or counsel, or both...

This is first part of Section 26 from the MS Constitution. I have heard judges tell "sovereign citizens" they had to hire a lawyer. In response, the "sovereign citizen" quoted the MS Constitution - only to have the judge ignore him. Is the "sovereign citizen" crazy for believing he has these rights? Does the Constitution really mean what it says in the English language? Which one is committing treason? Which one is the "nut cake"? The police, and other government officials use smear tactics and defamation to demonize anyone who asks them hard questions that shine the light on their illegal behavior. You idiots had better wake up and start defending your rights, or you'll find yourself in an Nazi-style police state. Start asking the hard questions, study the rulings of the U.S. Supreme Court, look at the quotes of the founding fathers, and you'll find that many of the things the "sovereign citizens" say are correct, lawful - but unpopular. That doesn't make them evil. Wake Up America.

Kingfish said...

People represent themselves in court all the time. Go hang out in the Hinds County Courthouse for awhile if you don't believe me.

People who represent themselves usually wind up worse off for doing so than if they got a lawyer. Seen it happen too many times.

Anonymous said...

Section 25. No person shall be debarred from prosecuting or defending any civil cause for or against him or herself, before any tribunal in the state, by him or herself, or counsel, or both.

Here is Section 25 from the MS Constitution. I once heard of a MS Chancery Court judge tell a young man he couldn’t file his own divorce papers, even though it was a “no-fault” divorce, was uncontested by his wife, and she signed the papers. The judge told this young man he had to hire a lawyer.

So, does Section 25 mean what it says, or NOT? Should the “sovereign citizen” raise hell when the judge tries to screw him, or should he just “take it?” Is the “sovereign citizen” really the evil bad guy these videos make him out to be for demanding that the damn government officials follow the law? Someone please explain to me why it is so wrong and evil to demand that government officials obey the law, particularly, the Constitution.

Anonymous said...

I once heard a judge tell the people in his court room he would find them guilty if he didn't like the clothes they were wearing. Facts of the case didn't matter as he would not hear them.

Can We Approach? said...

Where is the word 'counsel' defined? Counsel very simply means one who provides guidance or advice. Who says it has to be a lawyer who has passed the bar?

And since when is 'hanging out in the Hinds County courthouse' the standard for obtaining knowledge?

So many questions. So few qualified to answer them.

Been there. Done that. said...

anyone representing himself has an idiot for a client.

Anonymous said...

Feb 9 @ 8:58; Do you mind if I write that down. How clever of you to come up with that.

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