Jackson Jambalaya

Another black man, 17 and riding a bicycle, was killed in Jacktown last nite by a hit and run driver in a white Cadillac. Can we expect WLBT, Bill Minor, Rims Barber and Mitchell to investigate and agitate? Wait....Call the CNN trucks back in....A white Cadillac? Why, that can't be a hate crime.

Any other news media reporting this?

Looked for it on the tv station websites.Didn't see it.

It should either be:

Jackson Jambalaya Productions

Or

A Jackson Jambalaya Production

A white Cadillac?

Ah, Fox. thats why I missed it. thanks. Damn. just damn.

Think our community will hear even a peep of condemnation out of the bike advocacy crowd? Will they put out of press release and hold a press conference?

So why is there no outrage over all the other killings of black individuals, whether killed by white, black or other races?

Blacks call each other "nigger" all the time, but it's a hate crime when a white male is the criminal?

What about when black males seek out white women to rape and murder, or vice versa? I don't see anyone yelling "hate crime" there.

People just love to make this a race issue, when it's a crime, perpetrated by a criminal, period.

All criminals should be punished equally, as all crimes are hate crimes.

Lots of frustrating media items going on this week. Noticed in the business section of the clarion ledger yesterday they interviewed Doug McDaniel about retirement money. Didn't he work for Stanford Financial?

Yes, he was the branch manager of the local Stanford Financial, and now he is back as an investment advisor on his own.

You'd think the CL would know that! If he didn't have smarts enough to stay away from Stanford, I'd be damned if I'd ask him for advice!

Noticed in the business section of the clarion ledger yesterday they interviewed Doug McDaniel about retirement money. Didn't he work for Stanford Financial?

It shouldn't surprise. Do you realize that the C-L for probably a decade or more has referred to Derrick Johnson as "attorney Derrick Johnson"?

Who still has not been paid by the county, hehehe. In fact, he's been real quiet since then, hasn't he?

vice versa ----- white females seek out black males to rape or murder????

Whoever wrote the Fox article at the link is verging on illiterate.

The C-L has the story up now.

Most of you seem to have a tenuous grasp on what exactly a hate crime is. It has nothing to do with what crime is committed, or the race of the criminal, it has to do with the motivation for the crime and it isn't the easiest thing to prove. A black committing a crime against a white doesn't make it a hate crime. Dedmon committing a crime against Anderson after saying "I'm going kill a nigger" makes it a hate crime. The crime, regardless of what it is, must be committed based on nothing but "hatred" for one of the specific groups covered under the law, and it is a penalty enhancement for the original crime.

Delta

Is Rice Pete or Georgie? I guess one of the other rednecks must be Dim?? ha

I strongly object to this case being called a hit and run. D squared was involved in a hunt and kill, not a hit and run.

Thanks, D squared. You just single handedly confirmed everything yankees think about the South.

That's right, that's right. If Dedmon had said "I'm going kill an Episcopalian" and then ran one over that wouldn't be a hate crime since being Episcopalian isn't covered under the law.

So, as always, some categories of "hate" merit no special considerations. Because it isn't really about hate, per se, but rather about words.

@10:24 A swing, and a miss. Religion is one of the groups covered under the hate crime law.

Delta

Okay, Delta
If one black calls another black a nigger as he is shooting him, does that qualify as a hate crime? Or just another crime?

Delta:

So, say there's a law against "murder" in State A. There's also a stupid "hate crimes" law in said state.

Two white men kill a black boy, while hurling racial epithets and being mean old racists in the process.

The jury comes back and gives the two white men the needle. Death penalty. They'll assume room temperature.

"BUT WAIT," intones the judge. "Since these are 'hate crimes,' there must be enhancements. It is the order of this court that after being put to death, the bodies of these two racists will be dismembered, with their entrails being fed to wild dogs. Further, their heads will be placed on pikes, and may be used as campaign props by Chokwe Lumumba and Kenny Stokes.

"It is so ordered."

"Hate crimes" legislation is a bunch of feel-good Democrat bullshit for those who engage in identity politics. And by extension, such people are governed by their emotions.

It's Democrat bullshit, in other words.

I can't let the references to Doug McDaniel pass without offering a different view. Doug was a victim of Stanford's crimes as much as any investor. I was just reading James Lee Burke yesterday, that a human's greatest strength, placing trust in his fellow man, is also his greatest weakness. Doug is as good and caring a man as I know. I hope he has not gotten too skeptical.

Wonder since this was a white car, was a "hate" statement being made about bikes?

Who is Bilbo? I think I would have gone with Vaugner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aKAH_t0aXA

The Jackson group was clean I heard. The two main culprits were Standord in Texas and then Jason in baton rouge.

@11:10
Depends on the motivation for the shooting.

@ J. Kev
You're just being silly now. Gary Ridgway got 48 consecutive life sentences plus 480 years for his crimes. That makes less sense than a sentence enhancement on the death penalty.

If a black man broke into your mother's house and raped her, while screaming about getting revenge on white bitches and honkie sluts wouldn't you feel better knowing there was the possibility of a longer sentence for him than just a conviction on a rape charge? Very little chance of him pleading down to a lesser charge too.

You can all argue the merits of the law to your heart's content, but the fact remains that it IS the law, and it is applied when the DA thinks it's warranted. Sarcasm and snide comments do nothing to change the law.

The fact that comments and wild what-ifs are even being directed at me just proves my point that understanding of the law is sorely lacking. Not one of you has any idea what my personal opinion of the law is.

Delta

@12:12 - I wondered the same thing about the Cadillac given its evil color. Based on others' posts on this thread, I think the answer is yes if the bike was black. Or Episcopalian.

Delta:

You're right. I'm being silly. Some call it "satire." You know, using humor to illustrate the absurdity of a given position. Like "hate crimes" legislation.

When those two monsters dragged James Byrd to death in Texas, Gov. Bush signed their death warrants. They're dead. But, that's not good enough for liberals.

During the 2000 campaign, the NAACP/Democrat Party (there's no quantifiable difference) ran a radio ad featuring James Byrd's daughter. "When Gov. Bush vetoed the hate-crimes bill, it was like my dad was murdered all over again."

Now, Delta, in response to your stupid question:

If any person raped my mother, regardless of color, I'd see him dead. I don't care what he might say during the act. I don't care about his state of mind.

But you made my point with your stupid question.

...wouldn't you feel better knowing there was the possibility of a longer sentence for him than just a conviction on a rape charge?

You asked about my "feelings." Here's what I said in my first post:

"Hate crimes" legislation is a bunch of feel-good Democrat bullshit for those who engage in identity politics. And by extension, such people are governed by their emotions.

Get it now? You people -- liberal 'tards -- are governed by feelings and emotions. I'll stick with logic, reason and the rule of law.

I don't care about your feelings, nor should you about mine, when it comes to criminal law.

Jeezum, you people are thick.

Hey - let's get back to the movie!

You accuse me of being governed by emotion and yet if someone raped your mother you'd "see him dead" regardless of the circumstances. Revenge is driven by emotion, not logic.

If your argument was actually based on "logic, reason and the rule of law" there would be no need for the references to "feel-good Democrat bullshit" or "liberal 'tards" in your response. An inability to separate your opinion of the law from your opinion of the law makers is an emotional response. Hate crime enhancement is the law, whether you agree with it or not, and has been since the 1969 federal hate-crime law was signed by Richard Nixon.

Delta

p.s. Three people were convicted of capitol murder in the Byrd case, and only 2 received the death penalty. Neither of those 2 are actually dead yet, either.

There is a better than average chance that no black man could/can/will ever be convicted (or even charged) with a hate crime in Mississippi.

If a black man is incapable of being racist, how can he be guilty of perping a hate crime? His action might be emotion driven, but the emotion would be caused by his being mistreated by white persons thereby potentially qualifying him for house arrest.

Being 'emotion driven' always trumps simply being hate-driven. When you emotion driven you outcho mind, excusing the penalty phase. Even the junior wannabe attorneys on here (like me) know that.

@ Shadowfax
Race is only one of the protected classes that hate crimes apply to, so your speculation about whether or not a black man could/can/will ever be charged is, at best, 1/8 accurate. Being racist is only necessary if the hate crime charge is based on race.

And if emotion-driven crimes are so easy to defend, why are insanity defenses so seldom successful?

Delta

Delta,
Maybe I missed it, but, have you ever heard of a black man being charged with a hate crime? Against white or black? Of course, some people claim that a black man inherently can't be racist. Admittedly, I don't study this, so maybe I missed the news that day.

http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=121355387311981300

http://www.wwl.com/Arrest-made-in-Assumption-High-Facebook-threats/8161297

http://onlineathens.com/stories/082310/cop_698953000.shtml

http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=137

http://chicago.pointslocal.com/story/chicago/414389/-3-charged-with-hate-crime-near-millennium-park-

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/theblotter/2013843057_seattle_man_accused_of_racial.html

OMG you mean all people have the propensity to hate regardless of race?

Oh, Delta, that kinda' sucks.

To take another's life is a behavior grounded firmly in hate. Please do not do injustice for those who are innocently affected by the loss of a loved one by demeaning any loss due to this "violent" crime by categorizing it as nothing but hatred.

That "To take another's life is a behavior grounded firmly in hate" is unsupported by fact. Who is hated by those randomly killed by drive by shooting into, say, a McDonalds? Who is the object of hate perped by a man whose IQ is 70? Who is hated by a nut running amok, shooting randomly on a college campus? Of course we could write all of these off to 'self hate'.

Excuse me...could some of you that object to hate crimes tell me why I should CARE that a violent murderer or would be murderer can get extra time if proven motivation can be an added charge?

I'm thrilled actually. Hate isn't the only " special circumstance" that can be charged. I'm not just for it, I'm good with the new one FOX is campaigning to add...honor killing.


Works for me. If someone is motivated to commit violence against another human because of some crazy social point of view, I'm ok with society saying, " I don't think so, Scooter".

Honestly, the denial and rationalizations and justifications to justify continued racism or excuse past racism are just fascinating.

I love how y'all use Ladd et al as examples of " liberalism". It's like a liberal using Beck and Limbaugh as examples of conservatism. Both sides just love their straw dogs.

OH Buckley and Stevenson, how I miss you! What passes for conservatism or liberalism these days is unrecognizable. You guys had real debates on specific issues and egad, sometimes agreed. Conservative and liberal now derogatory terms used to reinforce feelings of superiority, to give a sense of belonging to a group to the insecure and socially inept, and as a means of rationalizing human emotions that can't be defended based on facts.

Here is my problem with hate crimes legislation. Lets say some punk bashes my head in with a lead pipe and leaves me lying there severely injured. Then he does it to someone else but says a few things with racial overtones. I don't want the sumbitch getting a worse penalty for what he did to the other person than me, I want him getting the tougher penalty as well. Just like I didn't like it when that Green Zone legislation crap for downtown jackson and safecity board members would've given tougher penalties if the crime was committed in the Green Zone than elsewhere in Jackson.

Shadowfax you actually understood the tone and inflection in my post. Who called you a junior attorney?

And if you read the post very closely, my use of the term "firmly" is not "absolutely". In each of your instances can you say with absolute knowledge that no hate was involved. I am sure I could provide penny-ante examples to disprove your "absolute" claim.

To your credit, you did pick up on the "self-hate".

What cowards the people who ran over the child riding his bike!

They think they found the car and it was abandoned. The neighbors made it sound like who ever it was has been terrorizing this neighborhood by driving through at high rates of speed all the time.

Could this be prosecuted under the Patriot Act?

And, since we don't know the race, creed, religion of the individual(s) that committed this act, we have a "color-blind" discussion at hand.

Unless of course, because this is a predominately black neighborhood, we want to treat the situation differently.

What cowards the people who ran over the child riding his bike!

They think they found the car and it was abandoned. The neighbors made it sound like who ever it was has been terrorizing this neighborhood by driving through at high rates of speed all the time.

Could this be prosecuted under the Patriot Act?

And, since we don't know the race, creed, religion of the individual(s) that committed this act, we have a "color-blind" discussion at hand.

Unless of course, because this is a predominately black neighborhood, we want to treat the situation differently.

Cap'n; given your conundrum your at 9:25, it would not be my responsibility to disprove the existence of a 'hate motive' (absolutely or otherwise) but yours to prove one did exist.

Anon 7:05 is tiptoeing down a slippery path, suggesting that some crimes, not all, but some, or at least a few, might have 'some sort of' 'crazy social point of view' at their root. I wonder if anon 7:05 would include among them the 'crazy social point of view' held by a particular subculture which holds that they're not expected or obligated to participate in the community other than by whoopin' ass and stealin' shit. And if we could prove to the jury that such a 'crazy view' is based on hatred, we could double their penalty and have them back on the street in, say, eleven months instead of five and a half.