President Joe Biden will require businesses with over 100 employees to require their workers to get a Covid-19 vaccine. The Wall Street Journal reported:
President Biden on Thursday announced the government’s strictest mandates yet for Covid-19 vaccinations, with a combination of orders that will affect tens of millions of U.S. workers.
Mr. Biden’s executive order focuses on three main groups: federal employees, federal contractors, and workers at companies with 100 or more employees.
Unvaccinated federal employees and contractors must get the shot within 75 days or face escalating consequences that could end up resulting in termination of their employment. Employees of large companies will be covered under a forthcoming Labor Department rule that will order all businesses with more than 100 employees to require their workers to be vaccinated or face weekly testing. The employers will also have to give workers paid time off to get vaccinated or to recover from any side effects of getting vaccinated.
The new mandates come in the wake of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s formal approval of the Pfizer -BioNTech vaccine and the surge of coronavirus cases caused by the highly contagious Delta variant that have set back the U.S.’s progress toward ending the pandemic....
Businesses that don’t comply can face fines of up to $14,000 per violation. There is no national system for employers to track or report vaccination status, and rule violations will likely have to be reported by a business’s employees to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration. These employees would be protected under federal worker safety laws from possible retaliation by their employer.... Rest of article.
The new dictate will cover over 100 million workers.
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#HellNoJoe
When the medical community is willing to honestly discuss the research on natural immunity, I'll listen. Until then, it's not happening. As I saw someone say, I'll take the shot with the Resident Hiden takes a cognitive function test.
And I'll sooner win the lottery 5 times before this ever becomes enforceable.
Un-friggin-constitutional for the 100 employee part.
Just think 80 million Americans voted for this old fart.
Just a headfake to draw attention from his other failures. When all else fails, appeal to your base. Both sides do it. The resulting arguments will take the attention off of Afghanistan. China and the border with Mexico. And Hunter. And Biden’s mental state.
Republican governors, including tater tot, are opposing this action. Look for unions and truckers to oppose this too. And if the truckers lose, you gonna see some real anarchy in Jackson as the locals won’t be able to buy food to spear or steal.
Except for postal workers.
So what’s the point?
Biden is an idiot.
This is just great. There is a very limited supply of the FDA “approved” vaccine available, and by law, employers cannot require employees to take an unapproved vaccine. Good labor lawyers are going to have a field day with this, and for the record, I am fully vaccinated.
This should be good.
Good luck with that
It’s not a big deal, anyone with common sense is already vaccinated . Joe Six Pack who works for himself cause he can’t pass a credit check or drug test are exceptions. Most of them have/will catch it. They either have/will have immunity now or are dead.
He exempted the postal workers union and ordered OSHA to come up with a rule for employers with over 100 employees. Lawsuits coming as Delta is peaking. He is so sad.
Corona virus Über Alles
Fuck Biden!
People are scared shitless with the different variants and getting the Jab anyway, we should be at 80% by spring and Covid and all the hoopla will be over.
Just like that the Small Business have more employees than they need.
No mandate for non-workers or immigrants. No way this passes constitutional analysis. A federal judge somewhere will torpedo this.
75% of America is vaccinated.
48% of Mississippians are vaccinated.
3,138 new cases in a 24hr period.
So USPS workers are exempt. So are teachers. And why aren’t people on govt assistance required to get the shot?
Can the president just make up a law like that? I am vaccinated and recommend it to all of my patients as a doctor. However, this is disturbing that he can mandate such a requirement for an employer and someone willing to work for a living. Will it also be required to be eligible for welfare, Medicaid and other government assistance programs?
Oh just stop the whining and take the shot. Your grandparents and parents rolled up the sleeves, otherwise many of you would not be here. Infant mortality was more than 10% just 100 years ago, mostly due to diseases like diphtheria and measles, diseases many now have never seen because the vaccination of large parts of the population keeps them in check.
There is no freedom without responsibilities.
Afghanistan has the 7th highest rate of measles in the world. Are we vaccinating them or any of the 200,000 plus per month running over the souther border?
Thanks he variants will just keep coming. As long as the fear is working to control the vast majority of the sheeple. 80 million people didn’t vote for this jackass. The Democrat party and the Chinese funded a well planned, well orchestrated coup that they could partially disguise as an election. The US is done. The only way to fight this back is to out bribe the Chinese money.
The president can't make up a law. But OSHA can if a national emergency is declared.
Those working closest to patients, the traveling nurses, are not required to get the covid vaccine. Go to hell, woodward and dobbs
No mandate yet for the illegal immigrants though, huh Joe? You’re so completely full of shit! This has nothing to do with protecting the populace. This is about you having more control and deflecting attention away from your multiple abject failures over the last 9.5 months!
I suspect the cacophony of F*ck Biden cheers will only grow louder from here on……and for good reason!
Will this really matter, all I hear about is companies bringing 25 jobs or so to Mississippi. Most large companies began mandating the vaccine once the FDA gave approval to Pfizer shot anyway. Biden knows this and just likes to see Redumblicans waste time and money suing him.
There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a socialist state. The first is the most important.
Healthcare – Control healthcare and you control the people.
Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible; poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
Gun Control – Remove the ability to defend themselves from the government. That way you are able to create a police state.
Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).
Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.
Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the government and schools.
Class Welfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more disconnect, and it will be easier to take (tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.
We won the American Revolution because General Washington required the troops to be inoculated, while the forces fighting for the British were repeatedly devastated by waves of smallpox.
Many companies want this, they are tired of the unvaccinated and lost productivity.
Wouldn’t you guys rather the illegals get it and die?
Screw the anti vaxers. Screw their freedom. I want my freedom to live. I want to get out of the house. I want to go next door and play chess. I want to go take some pictures. This is bullshit. As I remember, when I went to school, you had to get a measles vaccine. You had to get a mumps vaccine.
@6:01am - George Washington is a socialist!! /obvious sarcasm
Good god you people are dumb. Need a shot that actually alters DNA to make Mississippians less ignorant.
Biden is trying to save the economy. Herd immunity is not the same as taking horse dewormer medicine.
Even the hypocrites at FOX have mandated the same policy. You sheep are letting the wool grow over you ears and eyes.
All of the constitutional scholars should go read Jacobson. This was settled A LONG time ago. Most of the current justices have cited the author of Jacobson as a role model. Your constitutional rights do not extend to spreading infectious diseases to others. Read it and weep. No way the “conservative” court is going back on Jacobson because the theory underpinning Jacobson is the path out of Roe. Barrett’s comments about Roe not being super precedent are founded on Jacobson. Jacobson stands. Vaccine mandates are constitutional. Unless you’re ready to storm the Capitol from your mom’s basement in your newest Viking helmet and loin cloth to get rid of the constitution.
I wish all these 'smart' medical people would explain how an unvaxxed person is a danger to a vaxxed person? Do Not Comply.
Suck it up buttercups. We need to cut the dead weight. If you don’t want the vaccine, then stay at home and be a bum. You will not be missed.
601 and 619-how dare you speak the truth around here!
Any labor union that wants to opt out can do so if it presses the matter. The Dems care a lot more about their political support than saving some worthless lives.
Biden will earn a lot of respect with this especially from the CEO’s of major corporations who are tired of dealing with this pandemic. It won’t be popular with some, but it’s what real leadership looks like. If the state can mandate vaccines for school children, there’s no reason the feds can’t require it or others as well.
"The president can't make up a law. But OSHA can if a national emergency is declared."
Actually he can under Art. II of the constitution. While many may not like it (not saying I totally agree with it either), I think many will be hard pressed to find a conflict between the mandate and any statutes or any articles/amendments in the constitution. There will likely be litigation on the mandate, but I'm not so sure you could call this unconstitutional yet.
Hey, Kingfish! Think about this. The vax program is a 100% federal program. Feds issued emergency (non-competitive) contracts to develop and produce the vaccines. The Feds would have committed to buy them at a certain price. There were probably incentives to produce them faster. But then redeemable plummented.
My guess is that the Feds are contractually obligated to buy specific amounts of vaccine at certain times. I don't know what the shelf life and storage requirements are, but I'm sure it's expensive. Depending on how the contracts are written, the Feds may not be able to throttle production. So the may end up having to pay for vaccines whether they are produced or not.
I t would be nice if the big news organizations would do a FOIA request to get those contracts.
A lot of people are misquoting Biden's order. I agree that it is probably unconstitutional to mandate the shot at private businesses, but what the order says is that everybody has to get the shot or be tested frequently. That little caveat probably makes it legal. And yes, I do want my unvaccinated co-workers tested regularly.
The Lancet, Oxford University Clinical Research Group, found that the FULLY VACCINATED healthcare workers carried 251 times the viral load of COVID 19 compared to the UNvaccinated.
"Can the president just make up a law like that? I am vaccinated and recommend it to all of my patients as a doctor."
He isn't "just making up a law" - see Section 361 PHSA aka 42 U.S.C. § 264, etc. Since you say you are a doctor, I'll assume you are familiar with the wide variety of other public health laws regarding communicable diseases, vaccine "mandates" for school, reporting laws, etc., etc. And now, all the social media medical experts will become legal experts and Constitutional law scholars.
I'd suggest that given the great deference courts give (actual, qualified) experts, especially medical experts, I think it is unlikely that many judges or even SCOTUS Justices will set the precedent of issuing an opinion that would basically have to say, "A single judge, a Circuit (panel or en banc), or 9 Justices know more about virology and medicine that 1000s of medical experts, including those already repeatedly subject-matter qualified and accepted by (this and many other) Courts..." If and when the amicus briefs start flying, it will be a battle of Constitutional arguments versus qualified subject-matter expert testimony regarding an issue of national public health for which the executive not only has arguable codified legal authority but even a Constitutional mandate to protect through the enforcement of existing law (see Art. II, Sec. 3, "...he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed...").
Put another way, Congress gave the (arguable) codified authority to the executive and the Constitution mandates that the President enforce the laws; it is unlikely the judiciary (SCOTUS) would attempt to declare the Constitution unconstitutional, so that leaves the law(s). But since the Constitution (Art. 1, Sec 8, etc.) gives Congress broad power to promote and ensure the "general welfare," and the Constitutionality of that with regard to public health, vaccines, quarantines, etc. is long-decided, yeah, he can almost certainly do this without interference from, and likely with direct or implied approval of, the Supreme Court. See Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11. 25 S.Ct. 358 (1905), Zucht v. King, 260 U.S. 174, 43 S. Ct. 24 (1922), etc. Social media rants and Congressional press releases for or against won't mean a thing.
No, what he did was declare 80 million (us people) enemies of the state ! Never in my life would I have dreamed of hearing a POTUS say and do what Joe Biden did yesterday ! "So this is how liberty dies ? "
About damn time.
Get a shot.
It won’t make you a democrat but It will help everyone else and you too.
Zip it
Tate can start "pushing back" by undoing UMMC's mandates !!! Come on Tate ! Be the Governor and back up your big talk from LI show last night .
My reluctance to get vaccinated was due to my fear of an unproven remedy for an unknown virus.
Eventually, I decided COVID could kill me for sure, and hopefully, the vaccine would not, so I took the shot.
In closing, Biden can FO.
if Biden was truly interested in reducing Covid death , he should mandate that everyone in our country weighing 300 lbs or more be fully vaccinated.
Very Soon, the Un-Vaccinated will be REQUIRED...to wear a Yellow armband,that says (UN-VAC)
It kills me that Biden keeps saying I know I cant legally do this and then does it. Thats a dictator. Hows it not
Been tested every week since this all began. No big deal. The idea that the test is a burdensome imposition to be avoided by the shot is garbage. My employer sent email this morning stating that company policy will remain the same. Shot or weekly testing, your choice.
Sorry folks, can't force me to get the shot and my employer isn't either.
MAGA
@ 9:04 You are clearly one of the sheep in the world that do what you are told. I suspect you have grinned a repeated the words "i'm a rule follower" with pride may times. I am not being forced to take something that has no real testing or longevity. I have had Covid and have the anti-bodies.
Fuck you Zip it.
It's about time.
So employers must provide paid time off to recover from side-effects. Wonder if that will be retroactive for all those already been permanently disabled by the vaccine. Employers might want to think about that. It is obviously no benefit to the tens of thousands who have died from the vaccine.
Re: Postal - not exempt
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/postal-workers-exempt-from-new-vaccine-requirements-report/
I'm vaccinated and the spouse of a healthcare worker that I lean on for advice who advised me the vaccine was worth it. I believe people should be vaccinated. That said, I do not like mandates. I also do not like mandates that allow specific groups of people to not have to follow the same mandate, i.e., immigrants. That's complete and utter bullshit. This president has given immigrants more freedoms that this countries' own citizens. And not a peep on social media from the very outspoken when trying to get him elected.
All you morons seem to forget that its clear the jabs dont stop infection or transmission. Like Z'big said, the day would come when you morons would be unable to think for yourselves and only be able to parrot the talking points provided to you on the previous evening's newscast.
The Vax Nazis reading comprehension fails them again:
Associated Press: The expansive rules mandate that all employers with more than 100 workers require them to be vaccinated or test for the virus weekly, affecting about 80 million Americans.
There is NO shot-only mandate.
Wag the dog to deflect away from the American's Biden abandoned in Afghanistan.
"if Biden was truly interested in reducing Covid death , he should mandate that everyone in our country weighing 300 lbs or more be fully vaccinated."
Why not just mandate that they lose weight? Fat bodies kill more than the unvaccinated.
Please enlighten me , Cletus, again on how a vaccinated person is endangered by someone who isn't ? Enthrall Cletus. Help Cletus understand this proclamation by Dictator Joe. Help me, Cletus, understand how science has proven that natural immunity due to having had the weapon errrrr virus is actually better than the vaccine but this fact is being ignored. Help all of us Cletussses with this.
Welcome to the United Socialist States of America. Let's all bow down to our compromised dictator.
Unfortunately there are PLENTY of people reading this blog that fully support gross abuse of power like this.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Trust me you globalist-socialist leaning readers...they will come for you too on some issue you disagree strongly with. Then you too will bemoan this type of top down control and actions.
and yes I'm fully vaccinated and an MD.
But liberties are much more important than this WuFlu....
yall just don't get it.
shame on you.
since it has been proven that the vaccinated can also still catch the 'rona, get sick from the 'rona, and spread the 'rona to others, shouldn't they also be required to get tested weekly. just because your vaccinated, doesn't mean you aren't spreading it too.
@9:15M AM, I could have written those same comments myself, especially the last sentence.
how about vaccinating every illegal alien and refugee that comes into the country before forcing me to get this shot?
9:23 AM and you'll be tattooed with your VAC number on your forehead. Welcome to the New World Order.
I am just a dumb country boy. Could someone explain it to me why covid is such a danger to one group of people and isn't a danger to another group of people? We will be forced to take the shot but the millions of illegals coming into our country does not need the shot. Groups of people can gather together if they are of a certain group without the danger of covid. Another group is called a super carrier for getting together.
The shot is supposed to protect a person from covid but the people who get the shot are crying about the people who do not get the shot. Why is that? If the shot works they should not have anything to worry about.
If Biden is so worried about covid why doesn't he want to know where it came from?
There is so much about covid that does not make sense.
These countries all had more Covid cases AND deaths according to the WHO in August 2021 than August 2020 (full vax rate in parentheses):
U.S. (52.8) Israel (64.1) UK (64.1) Germany (61.3) Canada (68)
These countries did not:
Sweden (59.9) India (12.2)
Yeah that vax is super great.
Geez...all the ire and using the word, " ordered".
Is there some sort of memory loss epidemic too?
Vaccines are required for school, college, camp, by health dept for a variety of employees who handle , for example, food. You can't travel out of country or enter the country without some vaccinations.
Pfizer is FDA approved now...just like those already required.
So, do like parents who refuse to follow public vaccination requirements already...you are free to home school and become self-employed or find a job that has no requirements. You are FREE to do that. You won't be arrested or jailed.
Your choice, your consequences and this is one that is LONG overdue.
80 MILLION of us need to get ready to win. Free your mind of distractions because the POTUS just declared war on you. Everything you have worked for..........your hard earned future plans are all now in Uncle Joe's hands and he hates you. Do you understand ?
Many in my family have had Covid and have better immunity than the vaccine offers. Why can’t antibody testing be an option? Perhaps for those who had Covid they could have periodic antibody testing in lieu of vaccine. I had covid and have received one dose of Moderna. I was sicker from the vaccine than I was with Covid. I will get the second does eventually, but the thought of it makes me crazy.
11:26 am
I can tell from your grammar that you are not the brightest bulb in the box.
In fact I say you are illiterate.
Education matters. I am sure you are wonderful at what you do for a living and you are probably a great guy.
But questioning where a disease originated is not a relevant response to the issue - an FDA approved vaccine works to stop the spread of the disease and protects you and others from serious injury and death.
Immigrants have and are getting vaccinated. Your concern is subterfuge and is really just a trolling effort. Weak at best.
Unvaccinated people allow the virus to mutate and allow existing vaccines to be less effective. That’s why everyone needs to get a shot.
While I’m certain you never attended a single college course I bet you went to high school. To get in the door you had to have lots of vaccinations and no one complained once.
Your problem (besides being admittedly ignorant) is that you think this virus is a political thing. It’s not. It’s not a hoax. It’s real. It’s harmful to a lot and easily eradicated….if people get vaccinated.
Get a shot. It’s easy. Plenty of good stuff to fight about later in political world.
What's special about the 100 employee footprint? And why, as claimed above, would establishing that floor level get it tossed in court?
Remember 12 years ago when the State of Mississippi required all employers with over 100 employees to participate in the magical-immigration-reform process by using the government database to ensure 'right to work in the US'?
Stalin wanna be.
Don't tell the unwashed masses that this jab will contain a tracking chip.
It's not a vaccine, it's gene therapy. Just because they changed the definition of vaccine on the CDC website to cover this gene therapy doesn't make it a vaccine. And ignoring natural immunity in to force a gene therapy is not science based.
HTH
No doubt constitutional. 1905 SCOTUS. Spare us the bleats about "tyranny." You wimps had shots that Mommy had to drag you to the Health Dept for and you lived. If you had served, you would have had plenty of shots.
The "GubMint" is NOT forcing you to take a shot. Either get the shot or get tested. Stop whining. Your irresponsibility and gullibility is why we are in this situation.
Grow a set and be that "big Man" you think you are, by showing some responsibility instead of screeching like some LibTard about imaginary "rights."
12:09 What you say sounds good and you certainly display some grammatical prowess. However, I must ask what scientific or medical authority shapes your belief that only "unvaccinated people allow the virus to mutate". It is obvious that the vaccines do not prevent people from catching the virus, therefore how can it prevent a possible mutation? And "easily eradicated"? C'mon even the so-called experts have no idea.
@10:30. Yes, there are. They have green hair, a bullring through their septum, big ol flappy bingo-wings and wear shirts that say "Get your hate speech off our campus." During the "lockdowns" they hid in their homes, staring out the window and intermittently crying. Now that they are free to leave said homes, they sit on the porch at Sneaky Beans glaring at all the capitalists (people with jobs) and scream for them to be locked back down or fired.
@11:58, Because this isnt about a virus. Its about the neverchanging corporate-liberal doctrine of absolute control of every aspect of your life, from cradle to grave.
it's my "wag the dog" and red herring moment.
12:09 Speaking of grammar, you DO know you don't have to start a new paragraph for every sentence, right? Smart guy..
Is Pres. Joe Xiden going to hire his own "brown shirts" to enforce this? Build re-education camps? Vaccine prisons?
For anyone interested in an indication of how the federal judiciary is thinking on mandates, read Klaassen v. Trustees of Indiana Univ., ––– F.Supp.3d ––––, ––––, 2021 WL 3073926, at *4 (N.D. Ind. July 18, 2021) and look at its appellate history at the 7th and SCOTUS as well as citation by other courts. It has already been cited in opinions including a recent S.D.Florida case, Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings, Ltd. v. Rivkees. The argument that "government" (state or federal) mandate of vaccinations is unconstitutional will be DOA, short of some circuit judge begging for a near-instant benchslap from above.
1:23 pm
Science.
Research it. Fascinating medical treatises on point.
@1:05 Jacobson vs. Mass upheld the right of states, not the feds.
"@1:05 Jacobson vs. Mass upheld the right of states, not the feds."
Uh-huh. Good luck splainin' that in your brief...and make sure to REALLY play it up big during oral argument. Make sure you tell those arrogant federal judges know what's what. A thought, though - before you do, you might want to hop onto Westlaw and do a little research. Naw, you Constitutional scholars know your stuff cold - just wing it and whip yer Kraken out! Maybe you and Giuliani can go for a celebratory drink or 12 when you beat 'em like rented mules...
@2:37 is correct. The scope of federal and state authority to mandate vaccines is different, but both may do so without running afoul of the Constitution.
This would be so much easier if Biden would simply mandate vaccinations for all hunting licenses in the southern states. He’d hit his national fax herd target easily.
I don't pay any attention to the noise in the media. I don't like Joe Biden. I pay attention to what's going on around me. I had covid. A bad case of it. Lost my Dad to it. I wasn't going to get any kind of vaccine. I had 14 employees come down with it last month. I noticed the ones that had not had the vaccine went to the hospital. A couple got in pretty bad shape. The ones that had the vaccine didn't have any severe problems and got back in the saddle as soon as allowed. I recently had my second shot. 103 temp from it. Lasted 24 hours and I was ok. I'm not recommending the vaccine. Not condemning it. That's just what I saw. And I still don't like Joe Biden. And that's my right too.
Hahaha. ROFL. Such a nice change to have proper leadership in the executive branch at the federal level. Too bad we don't have it at the state level in MS.
Requiring adults to subject themselves to vaccinations is a bit different from requiring eleven years olds to submit to the health department nurse when she made the rounds of the elementary schools in town sixty years ago. 'Back then', we trusted our government.
The command, "Get your ass up in that box-car" is not going to be met with much approval tomorrow. Are 'cattle prods' made in America or China?
If it is about health why are they exempting the postal employees (600k employees) and other union groups? Wouldn't the 'leadership' occupying the white house want to 'protect' these pourr people too? Hmmmm, maybe it is not about 'science and health"..
This is being done the smart way in using OSHA. OSHA this fully within legal parameters to require workers to be vaccinated and especially businesses with over a hundred workers. There's nothing mushy 'Tater or any other governor can do. They don't have standing. OSHA isn't requiring them to do anything. I'll bet those protesting loudly on here will line up to get the shot when they suspend their EBT cards and disability payments!
I'm sick of the, "muh sivil rats" inbreds crying over the vaccine. I want to go back to normal. Stop being a selfish prick and go take the vaccine.
If a company gets federal funds and doesn’t comply, the FEDS need to cut off their funding. Same goes to state agencies and the educational system. I’m tired of wearing a mask, but I don’t want COVID!
I really believe that this is a red herring/wag the dog distraction from the treasonist decisions that Pres. Xiden made in Afghanistan. The MSM will gladly focus on this vaccine order while Americans and our allies are facing death in Afghanistan.
Pass the popcorn!!
I wonder, would the left lose their minds if a business fired all the vaxxed employees?
They could be doing it for the “vaxxed” health and safety so they would not be around un vaxxed co workers, simple make the vaxxed ex co workers, problem solved.
This has nothing to do with “health”
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/09/15/az-ag-brnovich-exempting-illegal-immigrants-from-vax-mandate-clearly-violates-equal-protection-clause/
@7:38 - Great idea.
Another great idea is if you don't get vaccinated and get COVID, do not go to a hospital. Just stay home and deal with it yourself. Be a hero and not put any more stress upon healthcare workers. They are short-handed and exhausted from dealing with this pandemic. And if you are right about the vaccine, you'll live. But if you are wrong about the vaccine, you will still be remembered as a hero.
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