or Tomming Stokes
Want to see mob rule in action? Check out this clip of the City Council chambers after the City Council special meeting adjourned.
The Mayor started preaching to the crowd as he exhorted all to support him in his crusade to put a 96-gallon garbage cart in every driveway, courtesy of Detroit. It is not known if the Purple People Eaters are involved. However, the mob soon became rather unruly as a Jackson Advocate "reporter" accused one Kenneth I. Stokes of being a Tom. Then the fun really began. Start around 18:00. Enjoy.
90 comments:
It $eem$ that hi$ motivation for pu$hing Richard$ i$ the 96-gal cart$. Right?
Can the mayor be impeached or recalled or whatever the term is? What’s the process for that?
Unfixable.
Kenny ain't gonna put up with no bullshit!!!
Please for the love of GOD, tell everybody where we can get one of those STOKES caps!!!
Who is "Mr. Richard" at 8:05 in the video? Is that Alvin Richard Jr. in the blue button-up shirt that the camera pans towards?
White girl got her shit and left rather quickly.
Who stirred the Fire ants up?
What the fudge? Black conspiracy Theory number 66666
“Mister mayor I concerned with if you suspect or make any conclusions why is it that 3 black democrats are following the needs of a white republican through Delbert Hoseman to dismantle the city government?”
Can you not see how everything is whitey fault! NOPE!
"Can the mayor be impeached or recalled or whatever the term is? What’s the process for that?"
No. State law does not allow for that. You can thank your coward Legislators, scared of being labeled racists or their buddies losing their positions, for killing the bill that would have allowed for the ability to recall this past Legislative session.
We're behind you, Mr. Stokes. You are rocking!
Mayor is working so hard to play this as black/white thing. Kenny just shut him down. Mayor's company didn't put those leaking nasty trucks in a white neighborhood, nope, dropped them in a black neighborhood. Boom. Kenny just nailed Mayor to the wall with his own black/white thing.
The citizens of Jackson are eager for a dictatorship. Democracy has failed.
It seems very obvious the Mayor stacked the room with his supporters -- the second anyone started accusing his Lordship of being anything less than perfect the crowd flared up.
Jane is right.
Its comically divergent to read the comments from intelligent people here...then read the comments by the folks that live in the city on FB.
The voters are a dictator's dream.
They are so lazy and uneducated, they positively yearn for a dictator.
@Jane
Nope. Democracy is working as it intended here. Democracy is a mob of ignorant, uneducated, easily manipulated wastes of air that should have been Pink Clinic’ed making laws and decisions for YOU.
If this were a republic, as intended, this would be over and done
The mayor tried in vain to ignore all rules of order and hijack the meeting. When C. Antar says, “trust me,” you run for the hills and don’t look back, which is precisely what Foote, Banks, and Hartley did. “You pulled item #1; there’s nothing on the floor to talk about;” BAM; THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
Stokes hung around to assess the fallout and watch the mayor do his thing — lie, obfuscate, and flail about. I’m still flabbergasted that Lee tried to say the mayor “acted” when he phoned WM and the other vendor to see if they’d honor 18 month old price quotes. I’m thinking the action contemplated by law is more along the lines of issuing a new RFP.
I took great delight in watching Antar get punched in the mouth in a room full of people with cameras rolling. But, here’s the rub. We’re stuck with this megalomaniac for 2 more years and we already know he handles defeat and humiliation by doubling down and going off the rails with more crazy shit. The office of mayor has been nothing but a vanity project for Lumumba’s ego. Put an immature narcissist with thin skin and an outsized ego in a leadership position and you’ve got a recipe for disaster.
Yeah, I’m worried.
I for one have never believed in direct democracy.
Plain and simple. Democrats shit where they eat.
"It seems very obvious the Mayor stacked the room with his supporters -- the second anyone started accusing his Lordship of being anything less than perfect the crowd flared up."
Bullying is a common tactic of professional "community organizers"
The Mayor claims that the City Attorney, Tori Martin, advised him to withdraw the proposal from Richards that he had put on the agenda for a vote yesterday due to the fact that Richards had filed suit.
Bullshit. The fact that Richards filed suit had nothing to do with and had no effect on the ability of the Council to vote on that renewed proposal. If the Council had rejected that proposal again, the City would be in the same position it is in today, no worse, with the Council having rejected the proposed contract and Richards having filed suit to try to force a contract. But if the Mayor had let the Council vote and the Council had this time voted to approve the contract with Richards, then Richards' suit would have been dismissed because it would have gotten what it wanted, i.e. the contract. Why not let the Council vote on it and take a chance that this time the Council may have approved it after all and thereby avoided the suit ?
So the Mayor's excuse for withdrawing that proposal from consideration yesterday had nothing to do with Richards having filed suit. It had to do with the fact that, if the Council had rejected the proposal again, for the second (actually 4th or 5th time now), the Mayor could not bring it up for consideration or vote again. Then he would be left with having to submit the next bid, which happens to be from Waste Mgmt.
Once again the Mayor is lying.
And coincidentally, the Mayor last week said that some of the opponents of the Richards' bid have tried to make the City Attorney look stupid. With all due respect to her, I think she's doing a good enough job of that herself. She has incorrectly advised the Mayor that he didn't have to follow the RFP process or advise him how to follow it properly. She incorrectly advised the Mayor that he had the legal right to veto the Council's rejection of the Richards' proposal. She incorrectly advised the Mayor that the RFP was a unilateral contract that Richards could try to enforce. And now she incorrectly advises the Mayor that he should withdraw the Richards proposal due to Richards having filed suit. She's batting .0000 and keeps giving horrible advice. No wonder the Council wanted to hire its own attorney, not to mention the fact that she is just the Mayor's lackey and can't/won't represent the Council's interests in this matter.
I'd be wiling to bet that the Mayor advised Richards to file this suit in order to drag this issue and the lack of garbage pickup along. Councilman Banks had proposed a 90 day emergency extension with Richards in order to give the Mayor and Council time to issue a new RFP and consider the new bids proposed, a very reasonable and sound proposal. But the Mayor doesn't want to issue a new RFP. So he said it was not feasible to have another emergency contract. But then yesterday he proposed a novel idea...hey, let's get another emergency contract with Richards. What changed, Mayor ?
If I remember correctly the first 96 gallon can is free, if you lose yours the next can must be bought. That if true is going to bring out an entire different set of issues. Someone will start a black market on 96 gallon cans.
The Mayor keeps saying he wants the lowest price. So why won't he submit the proposal for 2 day pickup with no carts which is the lowest price (and over a million dollars less than the proposal with carts) ? No one asks him this question and/or he refuses to answer it.
So this is your State Capitol, right??
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Waste Management already in place with their trucks & employees collecting trash adequately & on time when the Mayor initiated this disaster?
Then the Mayor keep pushing Richard's Disposal forward so he could eliminate Waste Management's already being in place?
Now the Mayor is saying "Let's just continue allowing Richard's Disposal to collect trash because they're already in place with trucks & manpower". Isn't that what Waste Management was already doing?
Oh & why did Kenny Stokes call that gentleman a b@stard? Very unprofessional & embarrassing.
Why is the video of Led Zeppelin?
His incompetence has finally caught up with him. His strategy was (a) huddle with mastermind Virgi et al over the weekend (b) concoct a ridiculous last minute Item #2 for frivolous purposes, (c) have mastermind Virgi spout inane nonsense about voting on the items out of order; (d) solicit Lee to suggest that the council had been wrong and hizzhonor really had “acted” in accordance with his duty by making 2 phone calls, and (e) collude with RD to be sure they have a lawsuit ready to file the moment he realizes Stokes ain’t flipping after all.
All that contains a sum total of ZERO foresight or interim plans on how the city will move forward with garbage collection so as to (1) provide dumpsters that do not require a 50 mile round trip drive and the privilege of paying a per square inch fee; so that just maybe (2) the city won’t run afoul of MDEQ in the first 5 minutes.
Instead, it’s “we can’t do it,” “we don’t have the trucks,” “we don’t have the employees.” That is classic Lumumba. In fact, I can’t think of a single time in his tenure that he’s said a thing about what CAN be done. Dude, rent the frigging trucks; pay the rental invoices so the trucks don’t get repossessed like the sewer trucks did; and reassign any number of city employees who either do nothing or are on extended vacations because the office they were assigned to had to be closed due to a leaky roof or whatever.
Just DO IT already and shut TF up, right? Wrong. We’re talking C Antar Lumumba, arguably the most incompetent, inept, dishonest person to ever hold office in this city. Take that back, strike “arguably.”
What if they had a new RFP party and nobody showed?
This is why the Republic of Jackson is such a good idea.
The ROJ leadership will be free of its shackles, no longer chained to the racist ideals of a democratic form of government that was created by whytes for the benefit of whytes. The racist checks and balances that are forced upon our revolutionary brother Lumumba are holding him back from truly transforming the City into the radical utopia it yearns to be. We must break free of the plantation called "Mississippi" and its slave master, the "United States of America" and call upon our community policing brothers and sisters to bring these Toms in check.
I've never seen another group so deserving of the government they voted for.
Wonder why the state wants to take Jackson over...
On one hand I have sympathy for the residents having to deal with this crap.
On the other hand, when someone mentioned the state helping their was unanimous rejection of that idea. They would have rather done without water than have the Governor provide it for them. Insanity.
These people are incapable of finding solutions to problems. Their inability to apply logic and reason is baffling to me. It is pure emotion.
This video cleared up any elements of hope I had for the city's future.
Jackson, y'all are really showing your ass this time. Shame.
@8:06 Clever. Wish I had thought of that. Imitation being the best form of flattery, I hope you don’t mind ripping you off now and then.$$$$
@9:12 Every time he mentions the city attorney, I wince. He’s making a very persuasive case that she’s not real bright and confirming that neither is he. Is this where he starts to throw her under the bus? He’s got to have someone to pin his incompetence on.
If common law is still observed in Mississippi, then a Quo Warranto can be declared and if the one presented doesn’t real performance he can be removed bysuspending his bid.
CAL sounds articulate and like he is trying to help…until you dig deeper and look at his track record. It would be kinda humorous if it wasn’t so tragic affecting so many people in a negative way. The legislature absolutely needs to make a way for a recall or start figuring out how to move the capitol. But, that still leaves hospitals that everyone needs within the COJ. What a hot, hot mess.
How wild is it that I’m actually pulling for Stokes! The mans wife is dying and he ain’t trying hear no bullshit. In the beginning of this conference lil drake says the garbage fees we pay on our water bills contains money to pay the crews that go around picking up debris and tires??? I’d like to see who and how much actually goes to that. Ride around Jackson and it looks like someone pays crews to distribute trash and tires instead of clean it up.
This is causing a headache for WM. They should be suing the city if any garbage company is. Most of the commercial business dumpsters are WM around here and they are steadily getting overwhelmed with massive amounts of garbage. Local news showed a non profit dumpster with overflowing plus tons of trash piled around the dumpster. This is making them have to do 10x the usual loads and will have to charge more due to this. I think the city should compensate them since the mayor sucks.
You could shorten this video by 17 minutes if you deleted each "right" spoken by Ludumba.
Never been a fan of Stokes antics but he's right this time. Those nasty trucks would have never been parked near Eastover or anywhere in North Jackson. Richards made sure that they did a decent job picking up trash in those areas but did a half ass job in other parts of town.
And a popular radio dj had the nerve to say stop complaining cause a trash company really doesn't have to be professional cause it's just trash!!!! What the hell is happening to society? I don't accept filth on any level and that's why I didn't vote for this mayor
They elect a clown and are surprised that the circus came with him.
The mayor’s promise to address the council need to use the legal process by having a conditional termination in the emergency contract is a smoke screen. What he will have is a conditional termination upon conclusion of all lawsuits, including the newly concocted Richards lawsuit, which will drag on for years, getting Richards what’s it wants and at a higher emergency contract rate. The mayor thinks he is so clever, but this is junior high student government crap. These are serious issues and our mayor is just trying to play games.
You can hate it all you want but in the end the mayor will prevail! Let the garbage pile up. On any other issue or day most would say stokes is an idiot , but since the main goal here is to see the Mayor fail, everybody is okay with him! What a bunch of hypocrites!
His Honor, the mayor said the city his no garbage trucks. Yet, he has spent Hundreds of Thousands of dollars fighting this battle. Believe me, this broke-a** city is going to spend a whole lot more before this is resolved.
"Put an immature narcissist with thin skin and an outsized ego in a leadership position and you’ve got a recipe for disaster."
^^^^This^^^^
What if they had a new RFP party and nobody showed?
They can't really do that, because if nobody showed then the city would be at risk of no residential garbage service. Other than all the new dropoff sites at any business with a dumpster that is.
How did Lumbubbles know in the middle of the meeting that Richard's was going to sue if he wasn't in on it?
Democrat voters continue to be their own worst enemy. They just aren’t smart enough to understand it.
Watching and listening to the Mayor in action brings back unpleasant memories
https://youtube.com/shorts/GNWxM6BjaI0?feature=share
In some counties the prisoners pick up garbage
the plan works like a Swiss watch
"Right" nope "Wrong" How many times can you say right?
9:49 asked "Why Led Zeppelin?"
Go to YouTube and watch the Hindenburg zeppelin crash and burn. It looks a whole lot like Lumumbaville.
The lawsuit Richard's filed is a type of appeal that has to be filed within 10 days of the government action you're appealing. The council voted down the contract on April 1. The mayor inexplicably called another council meeting just to vote on the contract again, even though nothing had changed, on April 10. Then when he found out Richard's was ready to file suit on April 10, he withdrew the contract from the agenda. Kinda makes you wonder if the purpose of the 4/10 meeting was just in case Richard's wasn't ready to file its appeal/suit by the 4/11 deadline.
If common law is still observed in Mississippi, then a Quo Warranto can be declared and if the one presented doesn’t real performance he can be removed bysuspending his bid.
Why has MDEQ not fined the COJ already. MDEQ had no problem fining someone with Forest Woods Utility for rerouting water years ago $25,000 & gave him 30 days to correct problem & he too waited until the 29th day with E Coli getting into water. No one is above the law & remember it was who you voted for in a Mayor creating these problems. Right? He know the law. Right? He said he is a lawyer. Right ? But in a Sour note said it did not matter what the SC Judges ruled. Right? Well sir therein lies the problem. Right? It doesn’t matter if you agree, a ruling Is Indeed correct!
Ps don’t know what Led Zepplin connotation was other than the dope boys or everyone screaming. The music was good just couldn’t understand the words just like the COJ meeting. SMH
Did you notice the mayor made it a point to talk about his bodyguard? Interesting. Does anyone believe the bodyguard is the least paid of all Jackson officers and isn’t getting something on the side? Things that make you go hmmmm…
Never thought I would see Mr. Kenneth "rocks and bottles" Stokes labeled an Uncle Tom! I guess its true, if you live long enough, you'll eventually see yourself become the villain.
Bwhahahahahahaha. What a sh&t show.
"Why is the video of Led Zeppelin? "
Chokwe is planning to replace Bonzo as their drummer when he gets thrown out as mayor.........
8:56 FOR THE WIN!! Where are the Founding Fathers when we need them?
@10:22
"This is why the Republic of Jackson is such a good idea.
The ROJ leadership will be free of its shackles, no longer chained to the racist ideals of a democratic form of government that was created by whytes for the benefit of whytes. The racist checks and balances that are forced upon our revolutionary brother Lumumba are holding him back from truly transforming the City into the radical utopia it yearns to be. We must break free of the plantation called "Mississippi" and its slave master, the "United States of America" and call upon our community policing brothers and sisters to bring these Toms in check."
See the problem with your "eutopia" which is facilitated by your "revolutionary brother" is folks currently own all of this land. See this is private property in the United States of America, which is a democracy funded by the taxpayers who dictate what happens here.
You can shove that communist garbage with your revolutionary brother up the hole where it yearns to be
Just read on WLBT site;
"Just days after the previous contract ended, Mayor Chokwe Antar Lumumba is pushing for another one-year emergency deal with Richard’s Disposal.
He will be asking the Jackson City Council to vote on the proposal at a special called meeting on Wednesday.
The meeting is slated to come nearly two weeks after city’s previous emergency contract with Richard’s ended, leaving customers without trash pickup.
Lumumba also is asking the council to extend his state of emergency over the lack of solid waste collections.
Terms of the contract are the same as the one that expired March 31, city officials say.
Council President Ashby Foote says he won’t support the measure but would back a 90-day emergency contract."
Just can't take NO as an answer. Guess he likes his knee caps quite a bit.
I just don't know what to think about all this, until the Pizza restaurant guy chimes in.
Surely he has an opinion?
Why? Just Why does Jackson have to have 2 pickups a week? Y’all must be some nasty fu**ers. I live in the county and do just fine with once a week. Cut it down to once and cut the contract in half
At my business in Flowood and just saw a woman dump her garbage in the dumpster across the street. Guessing a Hinds County tag? And so it begins...
Yes 4:30.
The frequency of trash pickup is the clearly crux of the problem here.
Call Chuck and tell him you solved it, asap.
Stand firm, Chock! Don’t back down! My Madison R.E. portfolio likes your tailwinds!
11:56 as the late great Edwin Edwards said the only way they are going to turn on Stokes is if they catch in one his Rent Houses “with a live boy or dead girl”. As long as he’s creating Chaos and fighting the Mayor they are happy. Most of them don’t even live in Hinds County much less Jackson.
Yes my dumpster that we pay for in Jackson is full and we will get a surcharge for all the crap stacked up next to it. Can I send Chok a bill
Re:Led Zeppelin. Why not?
KF:
Isn't there an expiration date on those old RFPs for garbage service? Certainly they establish the mayor's lies and obfuscation about who had the best proposal, but new RFPs are essential to move forward, yes?
Perhaps Judge Clark will move up the April 17th hearing.
I truly love this site. Unlike those uneducated, simpleminded “yes” people on Facebook. There are actually smart and intelligent people on this site who understands how governments work. The good few good people who are left in Jackson, should not have to suffer because of “Hitler” Antar. I wish my family/friends would move to Gluckstadt. We don’t play that junk up here. Our Capital city has lost its former glory. I wish there were a recall proposition. So that clown and his cult leaders could get voted out! Let’s see what the masses do come election time.
If I see anybody bringing their nasty trash from Jackson and dumping in it Madison County, I am calling both Gluckstadt and Madison Police! It’s sad that businesses have to pay extra because of “Dictator” Antar! I agree that once a week pick up is sufficient. WM runs in Madison County and we have no problems! “You just can’t satisfy some people!”
I'm amazed at this City of Jackson "Mayor", has to be so self serving, so Stupid to think very many people believe anything he says.(I'm sure there are some though) If he's an Attorney he must have went to the same Law School as Ms Martin(say something, repeat it and it becomes Law) Residents of Jackson-wheather black or white deserve water service, sewer service, street maintenance, Law & Order, & a Court System that actually works. These people have been paying Taxes expecting Municipal Services along the way && haven't received a darn thing the last 6 Years. A Police Dept that has diminished to nothing(token Chief), a Court System that isn't supposed to cause any inconvenience to the Defendant, Streets a dang buggy can't drive thru with a good horse,, nor wash a vehicle., a sewer system that's running raw down the Pearl River, a Water System you can't expect to produce water when you need to bathe nor drinkable, not flush a commode with.The Mayor seems all concerned with charging for Garbage pickup but didn't give a flip about You having running Water, nor enough Operators at the Water Plant, nor anyone to oversee everyday maintenance of water & sewer lines but- he's all of a sudden wanting another Emergency Contract for RDS?? There has to be a way ro remove him from Office-
1. There’s no new low Antar that should shock anyone. Having a “press conference” that was essentially a political rally for the sole purpose to have the race card played…another new low for Antar.
2. Kenny Stokes has been the sane voice for Jackson during Antar’s administration. Think about that. Proof that Lumumba is destroying what’s left of Jackson.
3. The council cannot back down - do not back down.
It's to the point when the Mayor say something it means nothing.
Lumumba... deserves to have the city renamed in his honor ...
Jackson, the City of Stench...
and are we still wondering if there is some stinky business going on with all the advocacy for Richards???
On my walk this morning, I couldn’t help but notice the incongruity of fiber optic cable being laid in a city that cannot provide basic services.
Well, I think it’s past the time to think that baby Chocks voters are worth trying to convince to better themselves. They deserve the dictator they crave and have proven that they don’t have the maturity nor the intellect to live in a democracy.
Tangent point, how sad is it that the few remaining sane residents in NE Jxn, and The Fondren have not selected a potential candidate and dumped some of the Private School money into someone to oppose Chuck?
I know nobody wants the job, but how can that much old money not find someone to 'Wag the Dog'?
Everyone wanting him removed from office, who exactly do you think is going to replace him now that they are launching smear campaign against Stokes. And is Stokes the low bar really what y'all want to settle for?
I would not choose to live in COJ for any reason. But it blows my mind that the hold out restaurant owners and businesses don't have ANY plan in play to put a decent candidate in office. Ever.
9:02, everyone has been thinking, no one has been saying it. There are more than enough people to do that, the thing is, they are all talk and no action.
When the mayor says that there are no sanitation workers, nor equipment, to handle garbage pickup today, he is conveniently ignoring the fact that WM is working Madison and Brandon, and could probably add a couple of shifts to take over the city in a pinch.
9:02 lil choke is their guy they’ve backed. You think he hangs in west or south jax with the heart of Jackson? Nope, he’s lives gated in leftover, hangs in Whole Foods, Char, Broadstreet with the private school folks and may even go in Fondren if he has all his security with him. There ain’t enough old money left in Jackson to motivate a decent candidate. Nobody wants to do it just like WM really doesn’t give damn if they service Jackson or not since it’s such a shit show.
"...However, the mob soon became rather unruly as a Jackson Advocate "reporter" accused one Kenneth I. Stokes of being a Tom. Then the fun really began. Start around 18:00. Enjoy."
And enjoy I did, all 45 or so minutes of it. Thanks for posting.
As to the comments the "reporter" made about Stokes and Stokes' replay, I have opined before a half dozen times, and I'll opine again (and this time the comment may even appear) that sooner or later everything in the United States comes back to race at some point.
I knew Choke WAS their guy, no doubt 10:53.
I guess I just figured even the White Guilt warriors were done with the empty bow tie by now.
I hold no such hope for the uneducated masses. They will follow him off the cliff like lemmings. They have no skin in the game so nothing to lose.
I just can't wrap my head around my own uber-wealthy friends that live around JA not finally coming up with some semblance of a plan. Its fascinating to watch them commit business and real estate suicide slowly and willingly. Though, I concede the mere prospect of getting anyone remotely decent elected seems impossible.
Hence, why I left the City.
Dumb voters elect dumb leaders. Dumb leaders make dumb decisions. Dumb decisions have negative effects on dumb voters.
It’s really not that difficult for those of that can think for themselves.
11:42 they have LeFleur East and a fancy sticker to put on their vehicles. That has to count for something doesn't it?
"If you go down in the streets
Today, baby, you better
You better open your eyes, woah yeah
Folk down there really don't care
Really don't care, don't care, really don't
Which, which way the pressure lies
So I've decided what I'm going to do now
So I'm packing my bags for the Misty Mountains
Where the spirits go now
Over the hills where the spirits fly
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh."
Nobody is questioning HOW the dumb voters landed in this mess.
People are asking/suggesting why the few (semi?)smart wealthy voters don't find a puppet mayoral candidate that they control and get said puppet elected using their wealth and smarts.
Because the NE Jxn cabal is not dumb. They could theoretically trick the dumb voters.
I don't care what happens to the dumb city, the dumb voters or the dumb leaders they dumb(ly) selected.
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