The War of Natchez Trace Village continues with no signs of abatement as the Fishhook Queen, Mary Watkins, was charged with petit larceny after she allegedly and illegally removed several signs announcing a meeting with Madison officials. She was recently convicted of simple assault by threat after she cast fish hooks at two young boys who were riding their jet skis on Culley Lake.
A group of Natchez Trace Village residents held a meeting with Madison Mayor Mary Hawkins-Butler on February 11. Signs announcing the meeting were placed at the entrances to the subdivision on Rice Road and St. Augustine. Permission was obtained from the property owners to place the signs.
However, the signs mysteriously disappeared. Some residents suspected Mary Watkins of removing the signs. The signs were replaced but this time they had a little friend: hidden security cameras. Sure enough, the cameras caught someone in the act of removing the signs.
The police report states that Daniel McElroy accused Mary Watkins and Jay Sullivan of removing the signs. He provided pictures and video to the police. The case will be heard in Madison Municipal Court in June.
Watkins is the Secretary/Treasurer of the Natchez Trace Village Homeowner's Association. There is currently a civil war taking place in Natchez Trace Village over the HOA and the use of Culley Lake. The Culley family owns Culley Lake and developed the subdivision more than 50 years ago. The HOA attempted to assert control over the lake and banned all watercraft from using the lake. The Culleys disagreed and won their case in Madison County Chancery Court. Chancellor James Walker ruled the HOA covenants (and thus right to regulate) did not extend to the lake. The HOA appealed to the Mississippi Supreme Court. The Court has not yet adjudicated the case.
A Madison Municipal Court convicted 80 year-old Mary Watkins of simple assault by threat after she repeatedly cast a fish hook at an 11 year-old boy who was jet skiing on the lake at Natchez Trace Village in Madison. Watkins appealed the conviction to Madison County Court. Judge Ed Hannan heard the appeal in February but has not ruled on the case.
Earlier posts
The Battle of the Fishhook Continues
HOA Officer convicted of threatening a child.
The Battle of Culley Lake continues.
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Need photo also of Jay Sullivan. What's the matter with that man, following this crazy octogenarian's lead. Since he is treasurer this causes the minds of reasonable people to start, ah, wondering.
The octogenarian is the treasurer / president / secretary / VP / Thief / Queen of flipping jigs for bass or kids.
What in the world is wrong with this woman? She has to be mentally ill.....
If she isn't mentally ill, then she sure is mean and stupid.
I can’t imagine living in a subdivision where neighbors allow this to continue.
There will probably be a bigger story before this ends.
Like adjacent neighbors often times do, she's taken "mental title" to that lake, and she believes she controls it. People who live near or next to properties for long periods of time believe they have the right to tell the owners of those properties what they can and can't do with it.
Now this is real news! We may have found the perfect co-location (with Reunion) for the reality show in Madison County.
Power and control. Some people will go to great lengths to keep from losing it.
Looks like NTV needs to take control back from this tyrant, if they want to save their neighborhood.
Can’t imagine all this negative attention is helping the neighborhood or property values.
Just imagine living next door to this women. Reminds me of the movie Duplex.
@11:03am
Would you call it Fishhooks and Pineapples?
A reporter types up the reports at Madison PD not the person filing the charges. I'm sure what was meant was that many property owners don't want the "current" HOA. I think everyone is in agreement that NTV needs one but wants one that will treat everyone fairly and follow the covenants that are recorded with their deeds instead of making up rules and inserting them in the covenants or changing covenants as the board has without the required 2/3 votes along with proper recording.
HOA = Horror of A$$holes
We have two in ours that are just that. When told two states (VA & CT)Supreme Courts has just ruled that HOA's could no longer fine homeowners, their replies were "we don't care"! So they voted to RAISE fines.
Lawyers that represent HOA's say that there are two types of HOA's under-managed and over-managed and both are dangerous, however over-managed with nut cases on the boards are the worst.
Give her three nights in the can and a $1000 fine. She needs some behavioral conditioning.
Did the meeting take place with the "Madion Officals" and can we see the minutes? Asking for a friend.
It was not an "official City of Madison" meeting. Everyone in the neighborhood was sent an invitation and the mayor and the person in code enforcement department was there to speak to ALL property owners who chose to attend. The meeting was not about the current board and was a total "positive" meeting just as it was planned to be. It was about moving forward with events and such and helping the city with certain projects. One of the last standing three board members were in attendance. He had a pad but I didn't see him writing too much as there was nothing to report back since nothing negative was brought up!
Hi "Asking for a friend"! I will gladly share our agenda from that meeting with you. We are 100% transparent and welcome any inquiries. I'm part of the group working towards improving the neighborhood, in spite of the current HOA board,comprised of only 3 members, all with 2 year terms that ended in August 2018. All 3 refuse to hold an annual meeting to allow for new elections. All 3 have served on the board for a combined 56 years. All 3 have engaged in lawsuits suing the nephew of lady mentioned in this article and spending over $100K to do so over family property. I am proud of the things our group has accomplished over the past two years, even though our primary obstacle in any improvement effort has been these 3 members on the board. We currently have a petition going around that ultimately demands these board members resign and have elections for 5 new board members. We are making progress, but admittedly are still met with resistance due to fear and intimidation from this board.
So - as I stated at the top of this, I am gladly sharing our agenda from that meeting that the mayor and the city code rep attended. As shown in this blog, this is the meeting in which we attempted to promote to our non-FB homeowners so all could be included. Mary Watkins and Jay Sullivan felt it was their duty to remove those signs in order to make sure people weren't aware and couldn't be involved.
NTV Meeting
February 11, 2019
• Slideshow of pictures from events
• Introduce Mayor Mary Hawkins Butler
• State of the Union:
o New streets and new curbs at entrances coming soon
o Neighborhood events: Fishing Rodeo, Garage Sale, Fourth of July, Movie under the Stars, Halloween Trunk or Treat, and Christmas parade float (WINNERS)
o More renovations, houses selling, increasing comps =current average $84/
o Neighbors for Improvement website – www.ntvneighbors.com
• .Arboretum – review of meeting and ideas for coordination with parks department
o Work Day volunteers
o Ideas for promoting more use – Gnome Village? Scavenger Hunts? 5K?
• Entrances – last update was 2004
o Lew Culley and Carole McElroy have contacted property owners for all entrance property and received approval from all to allow us to clean up and update the entrances.
o Initial plans will be based on funding and approval of owners.
o Carole McElroy has contacted some landscapers for ideas.
o Volunteer sign up to help work
o Ideas for funding?
• Upcoming Activities
o Thursdays by the Lake – bring a chair and a drink and enjoy the lake and your neighbors
o Monthly Movie Under the Stars
o Fishing Rodeo in March
o Easter Egg Hunt by the Lake
o Garage Sale in May
o Fourth of July
o September Back to School Cookout
o October Trunk or Treat
o December Christmas Parade Float
• Neighborhood Communications
o Facebook Page
o Website
o Newsletter
o Subscribe to email communications
• Open Discussion
o Q&A
o Idea Sharing
If there are no bylaws stating that signs can’t be at the entrance locations, then why is there another person besides the old lady taking these signs ?
She has gotten her way for so long it’s like dealing with a spoiled 2 yr old at this point. I’m glad people are starting to see how she really is and the lengths she will go to try and get her way especially when she’s using other people’s money to do it!!
@12:33 - have you asked for any board meeting notes? Where you able to get those??
@12:33 It stated the mayor of Madison attended sooo that was the clue there were “Madison officials” in attendance - unless you are implying the mayor isn’t a “Madison official”?
Come on guys ... reading comprehension. 🙄🙄
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@1:46 - To whom are you referring? Queen Mother Mary Almighty or the Lake Hag?
Why don't yall stop paying your HOA dues to the current board and start your own group. If she threatens legal action, tell her and the cucks on the board to eat shit. Sometimes you need to have to stand up to a 70 year old female bully even though you may be scared.
At 12:33 question - HOA board refuses to release board minutes
This woman is bat poop crazy!
If the property owners' association has not held their annual meetings, you can file and have it dissolved for not following it's own rules.
Nothing has been filed on it since its formation in 1975.
Mayoral meetings are not covered by Open Meetings Act. Correspondence and records are covered by Public Records Law. However, there is no requirement for minutes if a mayor and the executive staff meet with other parties.
Every one of these posts makes me want to move into this neighborhood just to take part in agitating this crazy lady.
I really should have invested in Orville Redenbacher stock earlier - gotta be on the rise thanks to KF :)
For you wimp residents of NTV: GROW A PAIR AND GET RID OF THIS TYRANT!!
@1:21 other person taking the signs is paid by the board to “maintain” the entrances. He was told by this woman on the board that putting up signs at entrances was in violation of a covenant - which it is not. Unfortunately - he’s one of many that just listens to her and doesn’t question anything.
For the person who said us wimps need to get rid of her- it’s not that easy when some property owners don’t want to get involved, when we are told we can’t even attend our annual meetings if not current on dues, when we only get 1 proxy vote but the board gets as many as they want, when all proxy votes have to be mailed to her and she knows just how many she will need at the annual meetings to always win, when she refuses to certify proxy votes in front of us, when no one regulates HOA’s, when people are scared to cross her and so on. She appeals every court case she loses. But don’t worry as I see change coming. Stay tuned!
Fishhook queen. The story that keeps on giving. She won’t atop. Gotta wonder about the psychological profile of this woman.
7:55- How would you suggest we go about that? Are you assuming a legal route, which I know many smart peeps here are working on, or are you suggesting something more sinister? The village witch treated to one of the anachronistic punishments from days of old? Dunking, perhaps. Then again, that’s just an earlier form of waterboarding. Fire, maybe? I’m not sure that would extinguish the rage that boils within the bowels of this woman. I’ve begun to think that she may be the reincarnation of an Indian shaman, come to hound and haunt us for settling on sacred ground.
This whole ordeal would be funny as shit . . .
Except for the fact, the kids could have been seriously injured by the actions of this crazy woman.
And what's even more scary . . . as has been said . . . the normal homeowners continue sit back and do nothing.
Sorry 12:57, Easter Egg Hunts and 'Facebook" updates ain't gonna solve this problem.
A simple amendment to the public records laws would fix some of this All HOA records are subject to public records laws if a member, regardless of dues payments, requests HOA records.
Another idea is to require HOA's to file their by-laws and covenants with the municipality or county. Only those filed would be operational. Of course, if that is already the law, my apologies.
Nah, there is a movement towards popping your own at home. I'm trying to figure out the best way to use coconut oil and gee butter to get the real butter popcorn taste.
I am so ashamed of this hate site hearing all the hatred and threats being spewed under the concept of anonymous - Sign your names to all this garbage and see how brave you are - The threats hurled to Mary are insane and someone is really going to be hurt if this keeps up - Mary Watkins is a good person and does not deserve this garbage - I guess I will be considered an old, stupid, resident of the Village = I have personally been accused of lying by some of you - I tell the truth - I do believe those kids were lying, being prompted by their parents. I believe they were purposely harrassing the property owners that live on the lake, being told my their parents to do so -
I'm down with Betty!
PSA:
Ms. Gill, assuming you’re not corrupt and have the best interests of Ms. Watkins in mind, would you-or one of her family members- go talk to the fine folks at Region 8 to kick start the involuntary committal process? Not only would it protect her and the community; her dually noted insanity might serve as a great defense in court if committed. Stealing signs and throwing hooks is one thing. Raping & pillaging the HOA accounts is another.
Region 8 has a fine facility in Brookhaven that tax payers support. It’s a crisis center. If they can’t stabilize her there, only then will she be moved to Whitfield.
Betty were you ashamed when you spewed all the hatred on the neighborhood FB site? Like the time you said something like “whoever talked to Jackson Jambalaya should get their neck wrung”? Just because you delete your hate filled posts doesn’t mean they don’t still live on in screen grabs.
@Betty Gill - Did the kids make Mary and her accomplice steal signs? Her problems are a lot deeper than “ kids lying “ and the fact that you blame her criminal behavior on kids leads me to believe you also need mental help. You defend a woman who has destroyed a neighbhorhood and you and a few others continue to support her. Do you wonder why anyone would call you an old liar of the neighborhood ? Mary’s days of intimidating, harassing, bullying and being a menace to the neighborhood are over.
Kingfish, covenants have to be filed to be enforceable. No requirement to file bylaws, though, but that’s a good idea.
To Mrs. Gill- I watched the video of your testimony and I have to tell you that it wasn’t too convincing!
You appeared to be on some medication that day as you couldn’t find your own home on a map?!
And aren’t you the lady that likes to take numerous pictures of those two young boys in their bathing suits? Can I get one autographed?
There is something to be said about the actions of both of you!
Betty Ann since you are one of the few openly vocal supporters of Mary still - maybe take this opportunity to share why you feel Mary should remain on the HOA board after 27 years. Maybe we just don’t see what you see. Maybe list out your top 5 list of what makes her a good board member. What has she done for the neighborhood, in your opinion? And not - what has she done for you personally as your friend. Oh - and in the last 5 years.
@Betty Gill - are you also on Mary’s payroll for loyalty ? I hear she has paid quite a few people to “ see things her way “.
Jackson Jambalaya a hate site? Ma'am, you are delusional. Kingfish won't even approve a comment that mentions factual documented history if he feels it might hurt the feeling of a precious melanin rich humanoid.
@Betty - YOU can BELIEVE those kids were lying all you want but THERE WAS PICTURES of her casting that hook at those kids. A lot of people watched the trial (thanks to Kingfish) so people were able to hear both sides and decide for themselves who is lying. By the way, riding a jet-ski and having a good time is NOT “harassing property owners that live on the lake”.
If Mary is “such a good person” WHY is she casting hooks at kids (that’s a FACT that not only was shown in the pictures, but one SHE admitted to in court)?? WHY is she stealing signs meant to help the neighborhood? WHY is she REFUSING to hold elections now that her term is up? And WHY did she spend (WASTE) over 100K of the hood’s money for court costs?
She sounds like a peach!! {{eye-roll}}
The fact is Betty.. YOU should be ashamed!! That you would support someone like that. If you think someone who lies, cheats, steals, and harasses kids is a “good person” you may want to get out more.
Personally, I don’t care what Betty’s opinions are as to why Mary is a good board member. SHE’S NOT!! There is NOTHING that can be said to undo what Mary has done. Anyone that harasses kids and steals signs and spends the neighborhood money is NOT a good board member and NONE of Betty’s “top five things” will change that!
Besides, who cares what Betty thinks??? She obviously surrounds herself with liars and thieves (and publicly supports them) - I don’t think her opinion has any value.
@ Betty- “someone is really going to be hurt if this keeps up” Are you saying Mary is going to try and hurt someone else???” If you know something and don’t report it you could be held responsible. (Or are you saying you are familiar enough with Mary to know how she operates??) Either way, you should probably either try and talk some sense in to her before she ends up in jail or worse does hurt someone.
Before all of you trolls pummel Mary Watkins (I don't personally know her) look back a KF post dated 11/05/2018 in regard to the same subject. KF mentioned a plaintiff named ALLEN COCKRELL. Once that name came up and if he is involved in any way that would explain a large part of the s#@tshow gripping NTV. Cockrell created a several year long "war" with ALL of the authorities over property located at 5520 Ridgewood Road (a location that KF reported on more that once) It actually took the DEQ to flush him and his landfill out. Cockrell is also a tax deadbeat : Hinds County Parcel's #176-130-1, #52-88, #548-146 and #564-18. Maybe you good folk at NTV should look into the background of those you are cheering on.
P>S> I am pleased to say that once the DEQ threw Cockrell out of 5520 Ridgewood Road the new and LEGAL owner clean out tons of garbage, refurbished the house and it it currently listed for sale for $250,000.00.
Mary & Betty would be much better off if they left Natchez Trace Village for St. Catherine's Village.
During the lake case trial Mary’s husband Vaughn Watkins exited the courtroom to go to the restroom. Betty Gill was outside the courtroom on the bench waiting in case she needed to testify. On the way back to the courtroom, Vaughn stopped and sat down with Betty Gill on the bench. Betty asked Vaughn, (I’m assuming they thought they were whispering), how is Mary doing up there? Vaughn responded with: she’s holding up pretty good, she’s doing good. Betty said: I am so afraid of what is going to happen to me if we loose! Vaughn said: Betty, I’m not going to let anything happen to you, I don’t give a shit what happens to anyone else in this neighborhood but we will make sure you are okay. Take this for what its worth, but I am still wondering what the Watkins told Ms. Gill would happen to her if HOA lost lake case? Could you tell us Betty Gill?
We had a HOA that was Over the Top. If you are sick and tired of it, like I was, do something about it. I went door to door and collected over 70 proxy votes. Not only could I use those votes to vote myself in as President, I could also use them to vote in an entirely new Board of Directors. We ousted the entire crew. Since then, we have cut monthly spending on stupid stuff by 2K. All board meetings are now open to ALL association members. Before, you had to have a secret bat-decoder ring and the secret handshake to get into a meeting. Grow a set but, be willing to do the work if you take over.....
@10:37. You think that’s why Betty looked so nervous on the stand and couldn’t even find her house? Because Mary threatened her if they didn’t win? That would explain a lot. It would make sense of why she’s trying so hard to convince people Mary is a good person (when most people know she isn’t). I don’t think Vaughn can really protect Betty against Mary. Mary clearly wears the pants in that relationship. I didn’t know Vaugh and Betty were so close.
I wish we could but we are only allowed one proxy vote where the board can have as many as they want. That's how the board continues to be re-elected over and over again. Takes 2/3 property owners votes to do away with board. We have a lot that just don't want to get involved so obtaining the 2/3 is an issue.
We've been working for two years or more to make things better in our neighborhood due to declining property values and conditions plus having over $100,000 of ours spent on the lake lawsuit that we did not authorize nor were told about before it they filed over and over.
I do believe change is coming though!
Ms. Gill in your comment above at 12:08am you state that “I believe those kids were lying”. In court, what was that you said? I just went back and pulled kingfish’s recordings of the trial and watched again. Everyone pull up the third video posted and start at 1:12:19. You said you saw it all didn’t you? But above you state that you “believe” the boys were lying but while in court you stated as fact that you witnessed it ? That’s interesting
@Betty Gill
You believe the kids lied in court?
Were you in the courtroom when the kids testified ? Or did you have to stay out of the courtroom because you testified ?
If you weren’t in the courtroom to hear their testimony... and there is no video of their testimony ... what part do you believe they lied about ? The part Mary TOLD YOU they lied about ?
It must really be awful to have someone you “ believe “ is your friend to manipulate you so much and so often.
When those kids are on the lake... while you continue to photograph and / or film them... they are enjoying being kids, having fun and spending time with friends. They are not concerned that old people that are bitter and have nothing better to do than harass kids are out in the heat of the day. They don’t target old people, they don’t harass and track old people. They are simply being kids.
Your post blaming kids for a bitter 80 year old woman’s criminal behavior tells me all I need to know about you.
Mrs. Gill - I was at the criminal trial in Madison where Mrs. Watkins was found guilty of trying to hook the young man with a fishing lure but you were NOT there. If your friend is so innocent and you indeed "witnessed" what happened that day, wouldn't you have been at her trial no matter what? You took an oath at the appeal trial and I know your post says that you tell the truth but one would certainly have to wonder!
And this is why you never, never, never put your name on a post.
Mrs. Gill also has a habit of going on the neighborhood facebook page and making very rude and demeaning comments to the residents of Natchez Trace Village just to get something started. This happens regularly and she tries to gain attention this way. It happens randomly and most have learned to ignore these episodes on facebook. This is what has been happening here recently with all her posts. It makes one wonder if she is drinking again, or on too much of her medicine, as she certainly does not behave as a rational
woman.
That is also a threat that "something bad is going to happen to someone" --which has also been a board members statement to me
in another situation. Who says that ?????
Wish I could embed the popcorn eating .gif on this here site.
This is quality entertainment.
Sounds like even the "good" side has some issues here. Seems to be some real ugliness coming from both sides.
Onviously Ms. Gill is part of tbe problem with this fractured neighborhood. The courts do not lie. She has been found guilty of something very heinous. And to be paying for her court appearances (which seem to be numerous) with neighborhood funds?!?! Sounds like a criminal to me. She should do a little time in jail or Whitfield but I suppose at 80 (how shameful) there may be no recitivism for her. How tragic for her family to go down like this. How blind must her supporters be? How few of them there must be.
@5:33 Which comments on this thread are from the “ good side “ ?
And is the “ good side “ the ones who support criminal behavior or the ones who refuse to allow it ?
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I'm currently looking to buy a house in the reservoir area. Every now and then I almost want to move into this neighborhood. Then, sanity returns.
Speaking of the lake; What if Mrs. Gill had named her son Blue.
I am glad that I didn’t buy a house there. I am usually a peaceful person, but if that ignorant, hateful old witch were to hit one of my grandkids with a hook intentionally you would probably get the opportunity to attend her funeral after she had a fatal “accident”. Nobody should have to put up with her kind of stupid crap.
There are 2 old ladies involved in that neighborhood drama. One continues to get arrested and one is on here making threats. Doesn’t sound like this will end well. Their poor families. How embarrassing.
Too bad Alfred Hitchcock is deceased.
We should have a JJ fundraiser in the common area. Really piss this old bitty off.
Side note, I wouldn't pay a dime of HOA dues until this woman and/or her friend pay back a large portion of the $100,000 they squandered.
I have a sno-cone trailer. Will I be OK pulling it through Natchez Trace Village when the weather stabilizes? It has a lovely brass bell, very pleasing to the ear.
@1:31 PM - you might as well bring your brass bell, because NTV is definately lacking brass balls.
This comes as no surprise. Anyone who had dealings with her and her late husband knew that they were some of the most mean spirited people you could ever deal with. I remember her husband repeatedly badgering a young mortgage broker over a real estate deal with personal insults and threats until the young man (who had been accommodating all along) finally drove up to his office and challenged him (Watkins) to meet him in the parking lot like a man. Watkins promptly threatened to call the police. This was typical.
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