Monday, August 27, 2018

House Kills Lottery Bill

The House just killed the conference report on the lottery bill on a vote of 61-53.  However, this was only the first "dead" as the bill is held on a motion for reconsideration.  WAPT's Ross Adams was on the scene and gave the report posted below.




83 comments:

Anonymous said...

It’s up on a motion for reconsideration.

Anonymous said...

Ross Adams sucks as a capitol correspondent. Doesn't understand what a "motion to reconsider" is, and after having it explained to him, still doesn't understand.

Then continues to talk about it calling it a "motion to recommit" - a totally opposite concept.

But, I guess that's what you get when you hire what the competition fires.

Anonymous said...

Pentecostals got to Cory Wilson.

Anonymous said...

Morrison Heights wins again.

Anonymous said...

Bryant just tweeted that the bill failed because of Democrats.

Pretty clear evidence that our education is underfunded.

Anonymous said...

David Baria is an absolute two faced jerk!

Anonymous said...

Don’t hate on ROSS”

Anonymous said...

Spin 10:42. Dems had Republican help.

Anonymous said...

Why was some of this money not earmarked for education in the first place? Yes, a majority of it at this point should go the the emergency situation with roads and bridges, but down the road a majority should be used for education. This not rocket science, but our legislature seems too stupid to figure it out.

Always last place said...

Meanwhile our roads and bridges suck. Schools are underfunded. And Mississippians drive to LA to play powerball. Wake up fools.

Anonymous said...

Well, it’s either Ross or Scott whatever his name is.....either way none of our stations have good reporters. I’m waiting for Madison or Brandon to file with the FCC to get their own local station.

Anonymous said...

Ross is a horrible reporter. He’s not interested in facts or the story being completely told. He only wants to try to get someone so he can make a name for himself. I’m for the lottery but I’m also for transparency. Why would the lottery be exempt from records disclosure? Also why, since we have a Gaming Commission, does DPS have anything to do with the lottery? Seems DPS is trying to stay relevant so they can ask for more money next session

Anonymous said...

Casino lobby and preachers got to all of them. ZERO leadership in Mississippi.

Sol Juette said...

Hogs turned away from the public trough.

George Whitten said...

It should be called a "state exploittery." The typical lottery ticket buyer has a below-average income. People in the bottom fifth of combined measures of socioeconomic status have the highest rate of lottery gambling (around 61%). State lotteries make poor people poorer.

States that operate a lottery become guilty of at least three vices:

1. Governmental greed to get more of other people's money.

2. Deceptive advertising to hoodwink the government's own citizens into losing their money on lottery tickets.

3. Governmental disregard or contempt for citizens who are gullible enough to fall for the seductive come-on.

No government should exploit vulnerable people who can't resist chasing a pipe-dream with ticket after ticket.

Finally, every dollar won came from someone else's pocket. A lottery does not generate capital, produce wealth, or grow the economy. A lottery works like a leech. It is a parasite.

Anonymous said...

Damn, that lottery money was already $pent. They had better cancel the orders for new luxury cars, and those mistresses had better return that jewelry.

Anonymous said...

Representative Alyce Clarke betrayed women and Blacks by advocating for a state lottery. The title of SB 2001 (“The Alyce G. Clarke Mississippi Lottery Law”) would have been the height of irony and sarcasm.

The typical lottery ticket buyer has a below-average income. People in the bottom fifth of combined measures of socioeconomic status have the highest rate of lottery gambling (around 61%). State lotteries make poor people poorer. (Posted by George Whitten of Greenwood)

Anonymous said...

We have a legislature who is too ignorant to pass a simple lottery bill and you guys are worried about a reporter? As bad a job as he does, he seemed more committed than any one else in that room to fulfill his obligations.

Anonymous said...

Give Ross a break, he does a great job on stories. I am both a former colleague and fellow traveler in the news world. He ain't fake newz.

Anonymous said...

Sickening to witness how far as a state we are behind. Brain drain will continue and we will remain at bottom for most things apart from being fattest state and diabetic haven for the country.

Anonymous said...

Them Clinton Baptist will cut your throat if you go against them. Anyone wanting the lottery just better go play in Louisiana. Mississippi will always be the last in everything.

Joe Schitt said...

I would imagine the operators of the illegal video 8-line machines are opposed to VLTs as it would cut into their available market and untaxed profits. And, if these folks did decide to get licensed, how many could pass a background check?

I hate to say it, buy Gregory is right, the Gaming Control Act didn't envision "route operations" (e.g. truck stop casinos) in the state and the legislature is correct to separate lottery and casino gambling. If the state were to allow VLTs, they would first have to clean up the 15,000 or so illegal machines spread across the state, increase the penalty from a first offense misdemeanor to a felony, and figure out how to handle the charitable gaming angle.

There are a lot of moving pieces to what many see as a simple shift in policy and the legislature should proceed with due caution.

Anonymous said...

@ George Whitten

Sir, You 100% nailed it. I wish more people understood the true economic affect this will have on our poor state. Every dollar taken out of our already pitiful economy and put into a lottery is a dollar GONE. Some of our politicians are willing to sell-out the most vulnerable in our state for a few miserable tax dollars that they will ultimately squander anyway. Sad sad sad.

Anonymous said...

I predict that MS will finally get a lottery after a lottery system is adopted in AL, HI, NV, AK and UT. That would make MS last in yet another category. Next....

Anonymous said...

The lottery is just a smoke screen so the cowards in our state house can avoid making hard choices, like raising taxes to fund our roads and bridges. They still refuse to raise gas taxes (basically a user tax on drivers) to maintain our roads. Our state and local highways are a joke and so is our state house. I can honestly say to our college graduates, go ahead and move to another state. You'll have a much better life.

Anonymous said...

What I took away from the reporting, don't recall which reporter, was that some butt-wipe in the House attached a rider to the bill that included video poker. I understood that to mean every c-store in the state would be able to install those machines? I'm for the lottery too but, come on folks, make it a clean bill so it can be voted up or down. Stop the special interest games and do your damn job. As for the proceeds, education gets enough already. Don't have enough, take a million here or there from the astro turf football field funds and use that. I played in the mud, kids today can too! A snowflake isn't going to melt any faster on real grass than it does on fake grass.....

Anonymous said...

So 34 Republicans voted no, but the Gov blamed house Democrats?

Anonymous said...

Dear George Whitten:
Every TAX dollar comes from someone else's pocket too. I don't see you crying about that. Funny how all of these so-called poor people being 'exploited' have the latest smartphone, cable package, leased car, and high dollar sneakers. Nobody's holding a gun to their head to buy any of this stuff, including a lottery ticket. Why don't you use your preaching on the poor people to try to educate them. Good luck with that.

HDMatthias, MD said...

Mr. Whitten: I am neither poor nor ignorant. I like to throw a few bucks when the pot gets high in national lotteries. I'd rather pop into a gas station than a casino or Baptist Church, for that matter. For a fact, I do know many poor but not ignorant folks who drive routinely to LA to purchase tickets. Casinos don't spin "new money" into the economy, either. Lotteries make new jobs, also.

However, it has nothing for me to do with lotteries vs. casinos vs. churches. It has to do with FREEDOM. The state should not prohibit me from gambling on lotteries if I choose to do so. It's none of their business. I wish there were "national" lotteries that could be sold here that the state didn't have to participate in.

For Jesus's sake--We have casinos making huge amounts for corporations, and on-line sports betting that does the same. We have bingo parlors sanctioned by churches throughout the state.

Let me buy a damn little lottery ticket. Put the money in the general coffers, as I'm not for "earmarking" this money for education or anything specific. I'd like it to lower state taxes, if possible.

FREEDOM. FREEDOM. FREEDOM!!!!

Anonymous said...

Jesus would have voted for the lottery.

Anonymous said...

I graduated college and chose to remain in the State of Mississippi. These clowns can't fund education and can't pass even the most obvious bills needed to bring money into our state (lottery). They let people like me (who for some reason chose to remain here) down at every chance they get. It's as of most of our Legislatures don't understand the need to create a state worthy of attracting young college graduates. It's unreal the amount of young families who are waiting for that one offer, the one chance to leave this place.

Anonymous said...

Just goes to show you that the anti lottery people do not give a damn about the poor people. Just think how much the poor people would be saving if they didn't have to pay for gas to go back and forth to another state to buy lottery tickets.

Anonymous said...

Bunch of yammering by 9:42 to (FINALLY) hit the bottom line that people leave for jobs.

Anonymous said...

@George

If the lottery is like a leech/parasite that helps to fund roads, bridges, and education...... then it's a leech/parasite we need to introduce.

PS: Greenwood needs that leech more than most.

Anonymous said...

Mississippi government is a complete Joke. Peoples just go to Louisiana & play.
The Lottery in MS. would have addressed this. Ok, I going to gas my car up now & make a run.

Anonymous said...

Cory Wilson is Presbyterian, but good try.

Anonymous said...

Reading comprehension problem 10:49?

Anonymous said...

To 10:23 I am right behind you!!!!

Anonymous said...

@ George Whitten

Hey George, you got your powerball numbers ready?

Anonymous said...

854, what you 'took aeay' was either from poor reporting, or poor comprehension on your part. The conference crept -,that failed, and then passed on Tuesday - did NOT include the VLT. Different versions of the bill, at different times, did include them. But the Conference Report (also known as a compromise) deleted the VLTs. So that was not the reason for the no votes.

Anonymous said...

Well, we are finally getting a lotto. I wonder what will happen to that convience store across the river in Delta, LA that has so much traffic because of the lottery? I bet the surranding states are NOT happy about this. Plus we have sports betting now too. Amazing.

Anonymous said...

Ganuchump is unhappy that the "stunning defeat" didn't stick.

Anonymous said...

Well, this will certainly fix all of our state's financial problems. Just like when alcohol was legalized for more revenue, and later, when the sales tax rate was increased by 1% for more revenue, and then, gambling (oops!)...gaming was legalized for more revenue, and finally, sports betting is allowed for more revenue. Happy days are here again. No more worries. Just nothing but sunshine and lollipops. Glad that our state is basing its revenues on those resources instead of economic development.

Anonymous said...

This is a true victory for all Southern Baptists across the state of Mississippi. We have been in prayer for weeks that this bill would pass!

Anonymous said...

great...we just managed to cut taxes for the people who can afford to pay them and raise taxes on people who have nothing.

The cycle is almost complete.

Next step is to remove medicare and raise SS to 78.....that ought to do it!

Who Has Two Thumbs said...

Dip, beer or the lottery? This is the new reality of Mississippians. But we all must remember that Mississippians are a giving people. We choose to cast lots on unattainable prizes because we care about our children's future.

Anonymous said...

My first lottery ticket number will be a Angel Number 111777. Google Angel Number.

Anonymous said...

TO: 1:49
Yes LA is going to feel the impact. They and TN both will loose about 30% sells from MS....IT IS ABOUT TIME MISSISSIPPI. NOW LA,TN,AL,FL can come Gamble at OUR
place....THEY don't have Sports Betting!!! HAHAHAHA!!!!!

Sol Juette said...

The same ones that gave this wonderful achievement will waste the revenue. In a few years or less they will ask for more, and the next time we will all pay for thier incompetence

Anonymous said...

Tell me again where all that lottery money will be coming from?

Anonymous said...

They still have the porno store across from the Delta Lotto outlet. They'll be ok

Anonymous said...

How was this not a revenue bill requiring a super majority to pass?

Anonymous said...

That store across the line in Louisiana just sold for a ton of money not too long ago...to a local Vicksburg guy. I imagine he and his banker are not real happy about now.

Anonymous said...

So the lottery passed? Now I have a real conundrum - Where the heck can I go to buy my Liquor. The liquor store behind the lottery sales counter in Delta, Louisiana was the best liquor store I know and some of the friendliest sales people anywhere, and now I have no (lottery) reason to go there.

We need a discussion here on Jackson Jambalaya so we can become informed on where we should go in Mississippi to buy our booze. I guess we could get our lottery tickets locally and still drive to Louisiana to get our Old Charter. It might just be me, but something sounds wrong about that.


OK friends, where is a decent, well stocked, friendly liquor store in the greater Jackson area? I guess I can drive a ways to get to a decent liquor store in the area - I have been driving all the way to Delta, Louisiana for a long time.

Anonymous said...

I take back what I said at 10:23.

Plain ol' Catfish said...

@ August 28, 2018 at 2:54 PM

My sentiments exactly! LOL!

Anonymous said...

@ August 28, 2018 at 2:10 PM

"Well, this will certainly fix all of our state's financial problems. Just like when alcohol was legalized for more revenue, and later, when the sales tax rate was increased by 1% for more revenue, and then, gambling (oops!)...gaming was legalized for more revenue, and finally, sports betting is allowed for more revenue. Happy days are here again. No more worries. Just nothing but sunshine and lollipops. Glad that our state is basing its revenues on those resources instead of economic development."

OMG - there is this vocal minority that finds its way to make this argument every day against a damn lottery in Mississippi? It's old, miserable, and tired! GTF over it!?

No, the lottery is not going to solve all the states financial woes, but it will keep Mississippians from going to Arkansas, Louisiana, and Tennessee to play the lottery. That money stays in Mississippi, its common damn sense legislation.

A majority of Mississippians, Republicans, Democrats, Liberals and Conservatives alike wanted to see this bill pass and finally, the legislature passed something a majority of Mississippians want.

If you don't like it, then don't play the damn lottery! Voila!





Anonymous said...

So when can I buy my tickets??? The first is coming up fast!

Anonymous said...

I've been trying to find a list of the representatives that changed their vote without any luck. Does anybody have an idea as to where I might find one?

Plain ol' Catfish said...

@ August 28, 2018 at 4:22 PM

Right now, the cheapest place to get booze in the metro is Sam's Club in Madison.

But their selection is meh. They only sell half gallons of regular crown and 5ths for Crown Black (yuck)

But in regards to Vodka, Rum, Tequila, and wine they have some good prices.

Then after that I would say Stanley's on State Street and Village Liquors on Leslie and Lakeland are the other two I deal with.

Anonymous said...

Dang, I am going to miss the Chevron / Lottery ticket place in Mound, La. (Directly across the street from the porno shop) Sad indeed!

Anonymous said...

For 5:26 http://billstatus.ls.state.ms.us/20181E/pdf/history/SB/SB2001.xml

Anonymous said...

Found it.

Lawmakers who changed their lottery votes from no on Monday to yes on Tuesday are:

Rep. Ed Blackmon, D-Canton
Rep. Kevin Ford, R-Vicksburg
Rep. Debra Gibbs, D-Jackson
Rep. Greg Holloway, D-Hazlehurst
Rep. Joey Hood, R-Ackerman
Rep. Dough McCleod, R-Lucedale
Rep. Jody Steverson, R-RIpley
Rep. Cory Wilson, R-Madison

Anonymous said...

@ 4:54 PM, 8/28/18 - You obviously do not understand or appreciate "sarcasm". If you have a dictionary, look it up. It is in between two words you may already know: "sapsucker" and "sardine".

I'm not against or for the lottery. I'm in my 70s and have grown weary of Mississippi politicians telling everyone they have solved our state's financial problems, only to be told later they need to increase revenues on something else because they can't manage expenditures.

As someone else correctly posted, the lottery is merely a tax on those who can't afford it.

Anonymous said...

TO 6:49
Big Thank You to the Lawmakers that changed your votes to YES....you also changed History...Thank you...Thank you...

Anonymous said...

Serious question. Will we be able to buy Powerball tickets? Asking for a friend.

Anonymous said...

I’m wondering that too. @8:37. It’s a huge undertaking, but I’m betting the Powerball folks can churn shit out pretty quickly. Money has that effect.

Anonymous said...

"If you don't like it, then don't play the damn lottery! Voila!"

Exactly. And that, my friends, is the bottom line!

Anonymous said...

Damn right it passed. Now let's get them roads and bridges fixed up -- the ones *everybody* (poor and rich) uses. Hell, I might even throw a buck or two at it when the pot gets real big -- now that I live about 2 miles from a place that I'm sure will sell lotto tickets. :)

Anonymous said...

I read in a couple of articles that it will take about a year for the lottery to be up and running

Anonymous said...

Not related to the lottery bill, but since KF hasn't started a new thread on the latest at the legislature --

Hinds County and the City of Jackson just showed the extent of their importance. Representative Bill Denny and Senator Walter Michel must be proud!!

While damn near every city, town, village, and hamlet in the state received set-aside funds in the so-called BP settlement Christmas tree, Jackson did too!!

For example- Ripley got $500k; Kilmichael got $500k; New Hebron got $350K.

And Jackson, because of the ability and power of their delegation got $50,000 to help with the repair of a bridge!

Many cities got one or two million, but NOBODY got less than $100,000. Except Jackson.

Towns with the population of the neighborhood where this bridge is located (Hawthorn Drive) got ten times as much when they were passing out the presents.

But our senile Representative Denny got crumbs. Can understand why Michel couldn't help after his stabbing the leadership in the back on the MAEP rewrite, but Denny keeps telling NE Jackson that he is important and relevant. Might be, and that he just was in the middle of his mid-day nap when he should have been in line.

Kingfish said...

I know what you're talking about but I don't think they can be blamed for this one. Give me a little time, I think I can nail down the rest of it. Someone else got greedy from what I understand.

Anonymous said...

No KF, everybody got greedy. But Clinton got $100k for streets, and the Clinton parkway got a couple of million (Hinds County).

Of all things that Jackson could have used in comparison to these other areas, this one bridge that is already underway wasn't it.

Compared to places like Carrollton, its hard to say define greedy. Lamar County got ten times as much for undefined projects. While the money was being passed out, our guys were behind the doors - kinda like they were when God was passing out brains.

Anonymous said...

4:24 Jackson has nobody to blame for their lack of political heft than Jackson. When you drive your taxpaying population to the exits you lose influence. Jackson will lose at least 1 House and 1 Senate seat after the next round of redistricting. Just watch as John Horhn and David Blount fight it out to see which one of them remains domiciled inside of their current district.

Anonymous said...

Legislating 101. Those that work with the leadership, and vote with the majority get a present. Those that dont, go home with coal and ashes in their stockings.

The Hinds County delegation was not supportive of the Infrastructure and Lottery bill. That you David Blount for your leadership. And Dennys is too out of it to know what's happening, unless Delbert there to hold his hand. Michel lost any ability to ask for anything during the regular session being as obstinate as Hob Bryan.

Of course of Mayor, Baby Chock and his $150k inept lobbyist have no credibility in the Capitol aftee he showed his assistant this past spring. That could have been overcome with a little effort buy Dennys tried to raise it and got told to go back to sleep. Which, of course, he obediently did.

Anonymous said...

619, ok, but misses the point. Jackson have members who claim to be immortal -
one who claims seniority over most everybody . It's not numbers - New Hebron doesn't even have a representative in its town, nor does Kilmichael, and they came out great. Ripley has one close by, but not in town and it got ten times what poor ltitle Jackson's senior Representative could do for it.

Jackson has several representatives and Senators, but the way the black caucus acts up one can understand their lack of heft. But why oh why does poor little ol Bill Denny not carry enough weight to at least pony in at the same level as New Hebron? Or any of the other 40 little towns scattered across the countryside. DeKalb got a three lane highway; Rosedale got a million - ever been to Rosedale? Hell, Wilkinson County down in the bottom of nowhere did ten times better than Denny (with of course the help of David Blount) was able to do for their folks.

Truth is, time has just passed Denny by - he didn't realize the presents were being unwrapped across the house where the tree was - probably just getting up from his nap while all the other kids were playing with their new toys.

Anonymous said...

Isn't it reasonable to believe that the non-Jackson legislators believe that Jackson has gotten inordinate attention and special treatment over the past four years in the Legislature? Passing the authorization for a 1% sales tax referendum and the CCID legislation? They've had their the at the trough is what I would think if I represented an area not in Jackson. Time for everyone else to get a piece of the pie.

Plain ol' Catfish said...

Not saying it's right or wrong, but supposedly due to the Capital Complex - the Republican super majority felt Jackson is well ahead of the curve compared to the other cities in the state.

Dont blame me, I'm just the messenger

Anonymous said...

So the legislature allowing Jackson to put an additional 1% sales tax is part of the equation. No way does that hold water - many cities and towns across the state have a similar 'ability' to raise their taxes. The CCID thing might fly, but it doesn't match the dollars $3*.5 million this year and the.second other little villages getting a million? I thought the justification for that funding to Jackson was for the many state buildings that pat no taxes but are served by the city - don't think that applies to Kilmichael, or Riply.

Might be a goI'd argument, though. Evidently enough to keep from bothering Dennys and the boys.

Anonymous said...

... many cities and towns across the state have a similar 'ability' to raise their taxes

What are you talking about? No city or town can do so without Legislative blessing.

Here is what the Legislature sees. 1% money being used as a massive bailout of Jackson's water department. That was NOT the intended usage of those monies no matter how hard Pete Perry spins that the bailout was appropriate.

Anonymous said...

Horrors! Baptists dared to exercise the First Amendment rights!

Anonymous said...

Underfunded education? Give me a break! DeSoto and Madison pump out National Merit Scholars like an assembly line while Jackson Public Schools with twice the expenditure per student is no where in sight of being average.

Anytime someone says, "Its for the children," you can bet it is anything but for the children.

Anonymous said...

Horrors! Someone opposing the hypocritical Baptists dared to exercise their First Amendment rights!

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