Jackson Jambalaya

How do you find the Rt value chart on the MDH website? I've been poking around for a few minutes and cannot find it.

Considering that 65-75% of Mississippians are overweight, and 50% are obese, according to health standards, it would be an almost automatic that the COVID deaths in Mississippi would have at least one underlying condition. And the fact that obesity tends to high blood pressure, and/or heart issues, that would add another.

This is certainly not news, but yet those that hate having their "freedoms" encroached (can't go to a sporting event, have to wear a mask - hell it might even be having to wash their hands and not pick their noses) they want to jump on this and rewrite the CDC announcement as ---- COVID only killed 6% of the 200,000 deaths nationwide. Or the 2500 deaths in Mississippi.

Of course they would be wrong, but they can use their middle finger to pick their noses and act like they have been right all along.

So you have thrown in with the hoax. Good to know where you stand. As if your censorship didn't already give us so many clues.

Why do I feel like EVERYONE is lying to me about all of this?

I hope it continues dropping, but it looks like we have have hit a plateau. Deaths have pretty consistently been at 25 per day and hospitalizations/ICU/vent have been relatively flat for the past five days. The one-time drop to 627 on the 29th was likely just an anomaly caused by one hospital not getting their report in on time on the weekend.

This is not where we want to be. Washington Post still has us at #7 in the nation for infection rates over the past week and a resounding #1 in mortality. We need to see those numbers drop by at least another 50% before we are even average.

And for what its worth, the lower cases appear to be in part to lower testing. Using data at covidtracking.com, during the month of July we tested an average of 5,359 people per day. That has dropped to 3,755 people per day in August. I guess Tater pulled some strings and got testing slowed down like he wanted. Less testing means less cases, right?

8:14 There are a couple of places to get an estimated Rt. Kingfish uses https://rt.live/ but there is another good one at https://covid19-projections.com/us-ms with both of them fairly close right now.

8.39......because they are.

It is what it is.

It’s all a hoax until you or your loved one is in the hospital struggling to live.

Okay do why are there 250,000 more deaths this year during the same period as last year?

So the virus has a 99% recovery rate, only 6 % of deaths is due to Covid alone, 94% have 2.6 additional comorbidities, and almost half of all deaths occurred in nursing homes, but yet we are going to strip small businesses of their livelihoods, restrict freedom of religion, not allow for ethical and compassionate healthcare of other diseases ( canceling of biopsies and other preventative healthcare) make healthy people quarantine and wear masks...@ kingfish have you analyzed deaths from all diseases in MS comparing 2019 til August and 2020 numbers??? Dr Fauci on video stating that Asymptomatic people are not the spreaders of transmission.... divorces, depression, suicides , can you analyze those numbers ?

According to John Hopkins, C-19 in the U.S. has a mortality rate of 3.1%.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

I don't understand why people keep insisting it's 1% or less, unless they are just willing to bend all of the variables and unknowns in favor of their preconceived argument/belief. For example, the comment at 10:06, which takes 40% and turns it into "almost half."

Rt.live

"It’s all a hoax until you or your loved one is in the hospital struggling to live."

No disrespect to your loved one, but the questions must be asked:
1) How old are they?
2) What is the quality of their overall health?

Per the CDC this week - Those two things have far more reaching implications than the actual virus.

Less C-19 testing means fewer cases are identified, and "it is what it is". Why don't we apply the same concepts to the illegal immigrant issue? Stop counting illegals who cross the border and dismiss those who do with the stupid statement that "it is what it is"?. See, the numbers problem is solved so illegal immigration becomes just a hoax and no one cares if they do come here. In fact, we should apply these principles to everything that can be politicized and make America great again!

10:34 You need to take a good look at the underlying data from the site you are quoting. It is only using clinically confirmed positive cases as the denominator. There are many, many people who got infected with COVID and did not get tested and therefore excluding them from the calculation makes the mortality rate misleadingly high.

The general consensus based on random testing of populations for evidence of prior infection with COVID is that the total mortality is around 0.6%.

10:06 Dr. Fauci did not say asymptomatic people do not spread the disease. In fact, just recently he said "There's no doubt that there's asymptomatic infection and that asymptomatic people can transmit and that you can and should test asymptomatic people".

Some of the worst outbreaks of COVID have been traced to people who were no showing any symptoms at the time of the gathering. Asymptomatic people may not be the primary means of spreading COVID, but they most certainly are an infection vector.

Dr. Dobbs ventilating. Guess he knows better.

https://www.wlbt.com/2020/09/01/dr-dobbs-calls-controversial-cdc-update-very-inaccurate-im-telling-you-covid-is-killing-people/

In line with the Sid Salter post of today's date, are the folks dying getting posted to confirm what they actually died from or are we just throwing Covid on their certificate to qualify for government monies.

@8:40. The daily total death number is useless unless you subtract out the deaths they add into the total from weeks ago. More reliable metrics are the hospitalizations, icus, and vent numbers.

It seems that many of you cannot seem to understand that an "underlying condition" is not the same as a fatal condition.

There are several " underlying conditions" common in my family and yet, due perhaps to having the "longevity gene", the earliest we die is 83 and many live to be over 100 except in war.(data exists for 400 yrs on causes of death and we have DNA for 3 generations).

How you have concluded that we should accept giving up 10-80 years of our lives( which are productive until a few weeks before death) because " we are going to die anyway" is astounding.

That you assume you have no "underlying conditions" points to your lack of understanding that you could indeed have one but it hasn't progressed to the point of being diagnosable.

I would also, today, point out that what I expected to happen is happening...the long term care percentage continues to fall. Yeah, the cruise ship percentage fell too. That people who were old and frail in a confined space died first isn't surprising.

What is surprising is that with a " new" (previously unknown) virus you quickly jumped to conclusions rather than wait for it to be better understood.

What is shocking is that you continue to put too much weight on statistics that are irrelevant on a day to day basis.

One thing is true, if we did no tests, there would be no confirmed cases. There would still ravage our society, but we could all pretend it didn't exist.

That the test reduction is so far less when one country tested 11 million citizens in 3 weeks is disgraceful.

The ideal would be test everyone and quarantine all who have it.

Again, our best hope this five minutes until a vaccine is available, is the saliva test that would identify and isolate the spreaders.

You " herd immunity" people are really bad at math. In a country this size the time and toll are unacceptable and we live on a continent, not an island. If that weren't enough, there's air travel now. Please people. Try to look outside your personal bubble.

Opinions are like a**holes, everyone's got one, but not all of those are equally attractive or functional.

I see that 6% thing is kicking a lot of people asses. Gotta stop going to these schools that tell you the Earth is 6,000 years old.

To 8:04, Clinically-confirmed numbers are the only hard numbers we have. However, assuming asymptomatic (non-tested) cases are 50% of the total number of actual cases, that's still a mortality rate of more than 1.5%, which is more than double your 0.6% figure.

Do you have a credible scientifically-sourced basis for your figure of 0.6%? Or are you engaging in some of the "unless they are just willing to bend all of the variables and unknowns in favor of their preconceived argument/belief" that I referenced? Were did you get your information that asymptomatic/non-tested C-19 cases outnumber confirmed cases by a ratio of 4 to 1?

-10:34

10:02 The 0.6% number came from the World Health Organization.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8588299/World-Health-Organization-says-Covid-19-kill-0-6-patients.html

And the number of actual cases is probably closer to 10 times the confirmed cases according to testing done by the CDC.

https://bgr.com/2020/06/26/coronavirus-stats-us-states-cdc-25-million-infected-americans-5847782/

Those saying "no one died" in response to 6% death or calling hoax are obviously in most cases speaking hyperbolically. Hoax refers to the response, forcing everything to shut down, everyone to mask up, vociferous public shaming, damning anyone who disagrees with you as someone who has no concern for human life whatsoever (Not that you do KF, but many others do). Average life expectancy in the US is 75, the median age of death with COVID is 78. We understand that it's dangerous, but so are many other things that have never brought out this type of response. Many among the elderly and health compromised have been made to live in fear, forced to die alone, or missed out on what would be treasured memories in the waning time of their life because others think they should get to decide what is best for them. You say if we don't do what you say is best then people will suffer (with sickness) and die (from sickness), and maybe you're right, but do you have any concern for the suffering (depression, loneliness) and death (suicide, lack of medical care) that your solutions cause? Or do you just choose to stay blindly secure in your so called virtue?

9:12 I'm looking at the chart on the MDHS site that shows the information by actual day of death, not the date it was reported to the agency, so all the previous deaths they identify are shown on the proper date.

Open up and roll the dice. People get sick and a rare few will die, so be it. Will happen over and over again from now on. You, me or anyone else can't stop it.

Ah, the heartbreak of Covidiocy..... Covidiocy is the highest risk factor around here for Mississippians getting a sufficating case of C19 or of laughing it off spreading it asymptomatically to one's closest friends, parents and grandparents. Covidiocy is disparaging the need for masks whenever you go out of your house, or the need to stay away from groups. Covidiocy is Tate's extending the mask mandate two weeks at a time instead of declaring it in effect until a safe, effective vaccine is widely deployed. Best advice, avoid contact with Covidiots not wearing masks or trying to get you to a party or to a wedding reception not wearing masks or laughing off the virus as someone else's problem.

@11:18 - Bravo!

To those demanding more and ever increasing testing for all - any idea of the cost per test and who is paying? Somewhere around $100, although you can pay a bit less or a lot more. https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/06/17/covid-test-cost#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20New%20York,as%20%24100%20or%20less.

We've spent $8 billion so far on average for testing, and run about $7 million per day based on 700K tests. https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_coronavirus_tests_administered_per_day

At what point would we consider that sufficient testing? Should we force people to line up and get tested? If they refuse, what's the penalty? Have you heard of anyone being refused who asked for a test?

If a person has a positive test, exactly what does that mean? That person has some level of fragmentary snippets of virus from some corona virus which might be covid 19. Nothing more or less.

Anyone notice the NYT finally acknowledge that the PCR testing has been deliberately calibrated to indicate 'positive' based on how many cycles the sample is put through to amplify the fragments? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html

Depending on how many cycles you put the sample through, everyone will test positive. How many cycles are the other countries using? No one can tell you.

At some point, I'd like to find samples from people who died prior to 2019 and run that through the pcr test and find out how many would test positive.

11:48: "Roll the dice" and see "who dies"? Really? Ok, so let's start with your family, your friends and groups "rolling the dice" and then report back to the rest of us in 6 months time how it all turned out. Or wait until there is a vaccine and follow CDC guidelines for reopening in the meantime and wear your mask every place every day until a vaccine is widely deployed. Don't be a Covidiot.

Well Jacksun, 3 in my family did contract it and did fine, me included and after being tested still show positive. Did the required hiding and such. Thanks for your concern. What do you do about those that will refuse the vaccine and not following guidelines that you seem to assume we didn't. CDC guidelines also change day to day and it seems they are refuted as well by "other" experts. Stay hidden.

I believe the WHO mortality rate is worldwide, not the U.S. That the John Hopkins data showS we have five times that mortality rate should tell us something, but it probably doesn’t.

Already had an outbreak at a Madison school and they can't find subs either...

There are two distinct numbers to look at, mortality rate and per-capita death rate.

Mortality rate is the percentage of people who contract COVID and die. As noted above the worldwide number given by WHO is 0.6%, but the CDC put the U.S. mortality rate at 0.26%

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/27/cdc-suggests-coronavirus-fatality-rate-higher-than-flus-but-at-least-8x-lower-than-initial-estimates/

Johns Hopkins is not taking into account people who did not get tested, and that is a substantial number. It's not just asymptomatic people either. I personally know people who got sick with COVID-like symptoms that called their doctor and were told to just stay home unless they felt like they were in serious trouble.

Our per-capita death total is so high because our infection rate is one of the worst in the world. An American has less than half the chance of dying if they get it, but we also have ten times the chance of getting it in the first place because the disease is spreading completely uncontrolled.

Calm Down

Your first error of many Is assuming that those who aren’t dismissing this virus are not calm. We are. Facts are calming, is myths created to assuage “ fear of the unknown”.

Your testing costs are based on the Keystone Cops approach our government took rather than what costs are elsewhere. And the mixed messages from CDC were initially “ best guess” in an absence of information and a necessary need to avoid limited protection from being hosted or going where it wasn’t needed.

Thanks to Keystone “ precinct sargeants”,supplies weren’t targeted properly and also a bidding war ensued. Worse is they undermined experts to protect their “ Chief”.

Those of us who think source of information is important, who understand statistics, and math and science can protect ourselves. We are angry that those of you who don’t are making the pandemic worse and the economy more damaged in the long run by either your politics or your inability to comprehend. You are limiting our current mobility and dealing unnecessarily “ a return to normal.

@9:56 OM

I'm gonna pass on your garbled syntax and chalk that up to the late hour and early drinks. I'll address a couple of the other points you attempted.

First, my alias. I'm sorry it causes you consternation. Get over it.

Next, you seem to try to claim that the testing cost is due to government negligence. I'll agree with you. Our government agencies have long become a behemoth that attempt all things and succeed at very few. I'm ready to clean that house, regardless of party affiliation.

Lastly, you demand sources, yet you include none, other than your own. I included sources.

Put on your mask, wash your filthy hands, and continue to hide in your basement. The number of your days is fixed. The best advice I have for you is to number them wisely.