I will be live-blogging the final debate tonight. Yes, final is the word. I don't think we can take many more of these mano a mano scenes. I expect the President to stay aggressive. Interesting to see what Romney will do as he hasn't said much about foreign policy and its the one area where a challenger is at a disadvantage. Feel free to comment as the debate goes. The big question is when do I eat this Krystal apple pie. Discovered them last week. Reminds me of how good they used to be at McDonald's before they started baking the damn things. Deep=fried, filled with apples, makes you think you are a little kid without a care in the world as you think mom is the greatest because she got you in one in the drive-through right after she picked you up from school. Anyway, I digress.
Its time. We are who about to die salute you.
No chest bumps. Figured they would be broh's by now. Going straight to Middle East and Libya. Bob bringing back Romney's quotes about Libya. Nice move by Romney to congratulate the President on killing Osama. Obama comes back with "brought the boys home" theme. Obama sounding presidential in his answer but gets off Libya real quick. Compares cost of Libyan intervention to Iraq. Good point. Romney a little shaky. Romney going into the laundry list. Gender equality? Um, even the so-called moderate Muslims don't believe in that goal. Romney mentions Egypt but leaves out brotherhood talking about tearing up the peace treaty with Israel. Obama is on the attack but Romney is taking it in stride. Romney letting him slide on Libya. Um, did everything possible? Ok. Romney coming back on Russia. Uh oh. Just mentioned Obama's comments to Russia about waiting until after the election.
President said you have to be clear on foreign policies. Romney can get him here on yes he was clear to Russia: we wouldn't oppose them, clear to Iran that we would stop Israel, and so on. At this point they are both landing punches.
Time for Syria. President says "organizing international community." Um, like Russia? President's rhetoric on Syria doesn't match the facts on the ground. Um, Mitt, what if there are no "responsible parties" in Syria? They won't admit that little fact. Here we are back on Libya again. Will Romney let him skate again? Back to Syria. Romney says no no-fly zones in Syria. Smart. Americans are war-weary. Bob brings up Mubarak. No regrets about telling him to go? Um, Obama is begging Romney to bring up the Muslim Brotherhood and what they are doing. Yeesh. Protect rights of women? They are attacking women in Egypt. They are running out the Christians. Will Romney respond? Now Obama is saying we have to "do things at home as well"? Obama flubbed that one. Now Romney responds on Egypt. Romney walks away from Egypt. Damn. Will he take a swing instead of presenting a policy paper? Now he is bringing up budget cuts and debt? Weak. Obama is giving more specifics on foreign policy as Romney did on the economy. Round to Obama.
What is America's role in the world. Expect them both to sing kumbaya here. Is Romney afraid of being called mean? Starting to look like it. He finally hits him on Obama's silence on the aborted Green Revolution. Obama taking credit for ending war in Iraq. Romney has yet to mention the surge, which is what really solved the problem. Obama now claims to be Israel's best friend. Will Romney respond to that one? Here we are back on the economy and the President is going to his well-used cliches. Obama throwing punches about Bush and Cheney. Did they land? Now Romney responds about the economy. Obama gave Romney a chance to play to his strength, which he is doing BUT NONE OF THIS IS ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY! Nice line about Latin America. Now we are talking about schools and teachers' unions?
This is where moderator should jump in and bring them back to foreign policy. NOW we are debating education. Will Mitt hit him on education? Chicago would be a good start. Obama backstabbing the kids who used vouchers in DC is another one. Now we are debating who wants to hire more teachers. Give me a break. Where is the moderator? He finally puts a stop to it but here we go again on education. we are halfway there.
Bigger military. Where does the money come from? No one points out our fighters are 40 years old. Not to mention our equipment is worn out after ten years of war. Here we are fighting over deficits and budgets. Obama needs to realize by fighting over the economy he is giving away his advantage to Romney. Brings up navy. Did Obama say horses and bayonets? Oooooooook.
Isreal and Iran. Obama opens up defending Israel. Operative phrase though: "If they are attacked". President points out state of Iranian economy. Good point. Good rebuttal is to point out there are two Iranian economies- one for the Quods and one for everyone else. Quods is doing just fine. Romney sounding tough on Iran, comparing them to apartheid and genocide "incitation". Obama sounding presidential again. Not being flippant, sounding sober and reasoned. Romney brings up green revolution. Nice jab. Mentions daylight quote. Obama looks ready to pounce. Response is to call Romney a liar. Oooook. Oh damn, it just got real. Mentions Romney's investments. Obama throwing punches. Will Romney?
"They noticed that you skipped Israel". Nice jab. He's letting him get away with the China comment. Now they are trading shots on general foreign policy. Damn. We still have 30 minutes or so to go. Is Obama really saying "I would take that shot"? Oh you did, did you? I'm giving slight edge to Obama at this point in the debate.
Afghanistan. Romney commits to bringing troops home by end of 2014. Surge been successful. The Afghans troops are shooting our troops. Never mind. Wow. Dick Morris agrees with me. WHAT? Did Obama just say "we were bogged down in Iraq"??? That begs for a retort. Will Romney let it slide? Bob does what Romney won't: brings up the arrest of the doctor who helped us. Will Mitt hit Barack on that one? At this point probably not. I need to hurry up and get to the fourth glass of this red zin. 15 more minutes. Ugh.
Um, HOW did we get this far into a foreign policy debate on China? Whoah. Did Bob just ask about drones? Yup and Mitt agrees with Obama's use of them. WOW, did we actually get to China with just a few minutes to go? Yes, we did. Obama says we will insist they "play by the rules". Um, hard to do when they own so much of our debt. China wants the world to be free and open? Um Mitt, that is when they get to ignore the rules. A little over five minutes to go. I want to eat that apple pie. Almost there. Romney brings up China not playing by the rules. Romney finally on firmer ground discussing China. Probably because its more of an economic argument. Obama gets personal again with Chinese investments. Oh please. Lets look at Obama's pension. I bet there are plenty of Chinese investments in that portfolios. Now Obama is attacking Romney. Where is the Romney who said Obama put 50 years of tax breaks for oil companies into one year for green energy? Now we are arguing over auto bailouts. Sigh. Back to arguing over economics. We are going to close by who wants to hire more teachers? ARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
"I think we all love teachers". FINALLY!
Closing statement time. Please like me. Romney held his own at times in this debate, took shots in others. I give this debate to Obama. No knockdowns, nothing like the first debate, but edge to Obama but both appeared to be sober and serious.
Monday, October 22, 2012
Live-blogging the debate tonight.
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Blaming Bush as a strategy is not going to convince independents.
How long does this administration need to figure out who is friend and who is fo?
I think that Obama is actually saying to himself, "this guy is smart." Shaking his head up and down the entire time Romney speaks and turning his head sideways on ideas presented are impressive.
Military spending increased every year??? That's a huge LIE!! I see it first hand everyday. He has been penny pinching the military since he took office and now he gave the go ahead to bring the Army to it's lowest manpower since before WWII... How is that any good??
O is looking real shifty.
And Mitt has his hands behind his back.
Obama Bin Laden - BWAHAHAHAHA
I think I've finally realized the correct criticism of this administration. Naive.
US defense spending:
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/defense_chart_30.html
Mitt Peacenik or Mitt whatever-I-have-to-say-to-win?
Liberal Republican coming out of the closet or I- know -my -base -hates Obama so much I can even suggest a UN path on foreign policy so I'll reassure the liberals and moderates?
Right on about the pies.
Obama has employed no coherent foreign policy, so far as I can tell. Instead, it's just the naivete run amok of someone who was wholly unqualified to serve in the office of President.
Obama somehow believes deploying aircraft carrier groups to the Middle East is foreign policy.
Obama words has made it abundantly clear that his administration will not "tolerate" a nuclear Iran -- and is prepared to attack if necessary -- and yet Iran is closer than ever to possessing nuclear WMDs than when Obama took office.
Obama doesn't offer real policy alternatives beyond using United States weaponry and money to help extremist Islamic organizations use the ruse of "democratic" elections to take over Middle Eastern countries.
brjohn9 ... It is about the economy, stupid.
It is about the economy.
But, I want to know exactly what anyone would have done differently on Iran's nukes?
And , you all seem to have forgotten a cyber attack and a few scientists being assassinated.
Getting other nations on the same page so sanctions work is the only thing to do short of starting a nuclear holocaust. Do you think Mitt could have done it quicker? If so, you weren't paying attention to Bush sanctions.
If any of you actually believe that Pakistan will let Iran be bombed by Israel or the US and stay out...not get Assad to let them get a couple their 10 nukes in, you are nuts.
And, how come none of you ever remember that those Pakistani nukes got done on Bush's watch?
You are so blinded by partisanship you can't see and therefore can't fix your party's mistakes.
Obama should have been far more forceful with informing the American people and with international comments at more than a few points...including security budget cuts.
But, a nuclear Iran and national security are too serious to be left to politics and partisan BS.
And, while you were all buying party propaganda, you have missed that we gave away our Nation during the Clinton administration. You let both parties parcel out the Nation so that it would always come down to a couple of states. You partisan jerks of both parties have guaranteed more and more Electoral College determined elections. And, that means you gave away our individual votes.
None of you partisans noticed that we had to start paying our candidates to talk to us and that town halls became contrived events.
None of you have noticed that tough questions aren't being asked or answered. GEEZ...get a transcript of the Kennedy/Nixon debate and then read this one.
Ask yourselves, why neither Bush nor Obama implemented some of the promises to their base when they had control of both houses of Congress. Ask yourselves why we've talked about Social Security since it was first raided and are still talking about it.
And, why, for goodness sake, haven't some of you figured out that capitalism is an economic system and not a form of government? What is it about China you don't get?
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
A series of emails from State Department officials on the ground in Benghazi suggest that officials in the White House and intelligence community knew within hours of the September attack on the U.S. Consulate there that the militant group Ansar al Sharia had claimed responsibility for the violence.
According to the emails, first reported by Reuters, between 300-400 national security officials were receiving real time updates as the raid was playing out. One of those e-mails came just after 6:00 p.m. Eastern Time, with the subject heading: “Update 2: Ansar al-Sharia Claims Responsibility for Benghazi Attack (SBU).” SBU is shorthand for “sensitive but unclassified.”
Barry makes me sick to my stomach.
A series of emails from State Department officials on the ground in Benghazi suggest that officials in the White House and intelligence community knew within hours of the September attack on the U.S. Consulate there that the militant group Ansar al Sharia had claimed responsibility for the violence.
According to the emails, first reported by Reuters, between 300-400 national security officials were receiving real time updates as the raid was playing out. One of those e-mails came just after 6:00 p.m. Eastern Time, with the subject heading: “Update 2: Ansar al-Sharia Claims Responsibility for Benghazi Attack (SBU).” SBU is shorthand for “sensitive but unclassified.”
Barry makes me sick to my stomach.
8:56 - Still think that blaming Bush is a winning strategy? Good luck with that.....
Obama Administration will send missiles into some remote sight within the next two weeks and say that they killed the people that stormed the embassy. Then they will claim that they created the movie story as a ruse until they were able to locate the terrorist and kill them. All the while saying that Romney almost foiled their defeat of terrorism. All of this followed by a statement that says..."By the way, NOW Al Queda is dead."
“The brief emails also show how U.S. diplomats described the attack, even as it was still under way, to Washington”
I think I'm gonna puke.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/24/us-usa-benghazi-emails-idUSBRE89N02C20121024
http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/24/emails-white-house-told-two-hours-after-benghazi-attack-that-ansar-al-sharia-claimed-responsibility/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/23/state-dept-emails-from-day-libya-attack-show-al-qaeda-tied-group-on-radar/
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/23/White-House-Received-Claims-of-Militant-Responsibility-Two-Hours-After-Attack
2:44 It's the diplomat's fault for sending them to D.C. He should have known to send the reports to the fundraiser in Nevada where Obama was.
Appears that the Kenyan's campaign team is positioning to flip the bird in Bill Clinton's direction for the Muslim's loss as they broach the new blame gaming through the campaign's media surrogate the NYT.
Blame Bush, blame the Billarys, blame anyone and everyone but don't blame the Kenyan.
And pass the bong.
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