Thursday, June 28, 2012

Obamacare thread.

Consider this an open thread on the Supreme Court ruling today


Anonymous said...

Swammi sez:
Repubs keep the House.
Repubs take over the Senate.
Ombama gets re-elected.
House and Senate overturn Obamacare.
Ombama vetoes the law.
House and Senate fail to overide the veto.
After Ombama leaves office in 2016, Obamacare will be rooted in our society and we will be stuck with it.
I hope I'm wrong but I think we are stuck with this white elelphant for the duration.

Burke said...

Justice Roberts made the right call legally. It also may have occurred to him that he was handing Republicans a valuable soundbite issue for November. From my perch in the center, I am optimistic that a President Obama will work to make improvements, or that a President Romney will not just do a reset to 2008.

Anonymous said...

Forgive me for being in a Vaccum today but what was the ruling? That bit of info would be nice in the title KF.

Anonymous said...

Upheld. If health insurance actually becomes affordable as a result, I'll die of shock and won't need it.

Anonymous said...

Christians and Republicans Rejoice! Romney's mandate upheld while the sick and needy shall be cared for!

Anonymous said...

HR:41319 has been introduced by a congressman from Oklahoma. It says that all male Fem-O-Crats must do the folowing to distinguish themselves from the rest of us. Anyone registered in the Fem-O-Crat party must where a skirt. Any (one) other piece of clothing worn must have some shade of pink in it. All AA who are Fem-O-Crats, which is around 90%, must wear a rainbow sticker or pin and are required to have one on their automobile to show support for the POTUS descision to support gay marriage. Also all AA Fem-O-Crats must wear a T-shirt once a week that says I SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE. Effective before Aug 1 all Fem-O-Crats are banned from the folowing activities: HUNTING, FISHING, ALL SPORTING EVENTS which include but not limited to FOOTBALL BASKETBALL BASEBALLL BOWLING GOLF SOCCER SOFTBALL TENNIS WEIGHTLIFTING IDPA USPSA TRAP SKEET SPORTING CLAYS. Also any activity that supports sporting events shall ban ANY and ALL Fem-O-Crats from attending, for sport is a manly endeavor or for real women who support real men. Any Fem-O-Crat in the possesion of a firearm shall be arrested and sent to prison for life. All Fem-O-Crats are banned from drinking alchohol unless it is in a martini glass and has the color purple red pink or peach in it. Since the POTUS feels the need to force people to buy health insurance its only fair to be able to identify male Fem-O-Crats and force them to do what comes naturaly to a woman!

Ironghost said...

People still think the government can run anything affordable?

Anonymous said...

@ 11:01

No way to take the Senate. Best possible seems to be 51-49 split in favor of Dems.

House, maybe.

Obama currently leading in states with 326 electoral votes.

Romney currently leading in states with 212 votes.

Anderson said...

Here is the "plain English" from SCOTUSblog:

The Affordable Care Act, including its individual mandate that virtually all Americans buy health insurance, is constitutional. There were not five votes to uphold it on the ground that Congress could use its power to regulate commerce between the states to require everyone to buy health insurance. However, five Justices agreed that the penalty that someone must pay if he refuses to buy insurance is a kind of tax that Congress can impose using its taxing power. That is all that matters. Because the mandate survives, the Court did not need to decide what other parts of the statute were constitutional, except for a provision that required states to comply with new eligibility requirements for Medicaid or risk losing their funding. On that question, the Court held that the provision is constitutional as long as states would only lose new funds if they didn't comply with the new requirements, rather than all of their funding.

Anderson said...

As a Democrat, I'm stuck with the Bennie Thompsons, and you Republicans are stuck with the 12:02s.

Anonymous said...

"It is amazing that people who think we cannot afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay doctors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer it." --Thomas Sowell

It's the perfect storm and future American's may one day ask, "Martin Luther Who?"

It will take many, many more governmental employees to institute Obamacare. And according to POTUS Obama, previously and per the Washington Times, whites need not apply:

Obamacare does absolutely nothing for US citizens that belief in the pursuit of the American Dream; Like Federal Government has itself become per affirmative-action initiatives, Obamacare is the set-in-stone-forever expansion of Entitlement programming, and will ensure redistribution of American wealth.

Anonymous said...

I'm a Repub, but, I still think that was pretty damn funny, little fella. Well done.

Anonymous said...

June 28, 2012 12:08 PM = Hogwash

Anonymous said...

its 5 oclock...wonder if Anderson is having his cosmopolitan martini at his gender-confused pub of choice?

Anderson said...

The only thing I drink in a cocktail glass (sometimes) is a Manhattan. If they ever make purple or pink whiskey, however, I will consent to try it.

... I blew the call on the decision, thinking the Court would strike the Act, but I did think it would be 4-1-4 if they affirmed - I just thought the vote in the middle, upholding on the tax theory, would be Kennedy, not Roberts.

It seems he changed his mind, based on clues that the dissent started out as the majority - hope we hear that story one day.

Anyway, it's a good outcome, but not like V-E day. Let's see where we go from here.

Anonymous said...

If you work for your living you will pay for your health care as always or pay the man on april 15th since entitlement does not go to the working poor. Now whose pocket is this being paid out of again no one told me today.

Lost said...

My doctor found a lump last week. They want follow-up tests and another mammogram. My insurance company denied the coverage. I'm a retired state employee, so it's not like I can afford it myself. Since everyone seems to have an answer on this, anyone have any advice? Or can show me how to set up a pay pal account for donations?

Anonymous said...

Not to hijack the thread, but the Stolen Valor Act also got struck down today. Guess I don't need to carry around a copy of my DD-214 when I wear my medals now.

Shadowfax said...

Anderson sez, "It seems he changed his mind, based on clues that the dissent started out as the majority - hope we hear that story one day."

It seems? What the hell does that mean? So, along comes Anderson with his wealth of insider information to report on what was going through the mind of one or more justices as they contemplated the case. Did you get that heads-up from Wolf or Shep?

Anonymous said...

what frightens the heck out of me, is that this sets a precedent for any and every mandate. What's next? Every citizen who buys a new car must buy a Volt?

Anderson said...

SFX, the observation has been made around the internet, by Ed Whelan at National Review and by various bloggers. See here for a contrarian view - the post + comments will catch you up to speed.

As for your snark about "insider information," I counsel you not to be reflexively resentful of persons more widely informed than yourself. Your knees probably can't take that much jerking.

bill said...

7:45, they didn't uphold the mandate. In fact, they specifically said that the federal government can't use the commerce clause to force us to purchase anything, now or ever. What they did was remind Congress that they had the right to levy taxes, and the penalty in the law that has to be paid by people who choose to not purchase health insurance has to be a tax. I know, if it walks like a duck...however, I think that Republicans can use this to their advantage in November to unseat members of Congress who are supporting what by law is a tax increase.

Shadowfax said...

Anderson: You said, "It seems", which indicates to me you might have had an original thought. You didn't say, "Others (around the internet) have suggested", which would have added truth to your post.

I've never had a desire to jump on three-wheeled band-wagons, drink pink whiskey or 'inform' myself by cruising internet rumors.

Your comment that (it seems) Roberts changed his mind based on 'clues that the dissent'... is pure bullshit. You own it.

Burke said...

Here's a voice of reason:

Anonymous said...

"My doctor found a lump last week. They want follow-up tests and another mammogram. My insurance company denied the coverage. I'm a retired state employee, so it's not like I can afford it myself. Since everyone seems to have an answer on this, anyone have any advice? "

Try the breast imaging center at UMC. For state employees they will waive the 20% co-pay once you have met the deductible; the net is that there is no out-of-pocket peyments for the rest if the year.

I don't know if that applies to retired state employees.

Anonymous said...

I am self employed which means I furnish my own insurance for me and my family. I would love to have a policy that is less than my monthly house note. Anyone that will write individual policies want to know if you have ever been sick or plan on being sick and if the answer is yes to either of those questions then you will be denied so I would love the pre-existing portion of the law. Now is Obama Care the answer...I don't know because I can't find anyone who knows the entirity of the law including the people who voted for it! I also worked in Canada for a number of years and quickly realized that anyone in Canada that could afford to do so commuted to the United States for anything more serious than a sore throat, so I don't think their public health model is the answer either. I really dread to think that our health system could be overwhelmed like my Canadian friends are subjected to.

Anonymous said...

Shadowfax: knock of the ignorant ad hominem attacks and educate yourself re: Roberts:

Is ABC News liberal enough for you?

Anonymous said...

ABC; Washington Examiner? Right on 2?32. Could you not find a Bill Maher commentary?

Anonymous said...

4:21 I'll type slowly for your benefit. Shadowfax took a cheap shot mentioning cable news newsreaders. I just showed some other outlets that also had alot more detail on this topic, which has not been mentioned among all the name-calling and mud-slinging going on here. ABC News is pretty liberal, unlike Fox. I don't know much at all about Wolf Blitzer except he's on CNN, and York writes (or wrote) for the National Review (I've never heard of the Wash. Examiner).

Point is: a lot of people are notincing very bizarre discrepancies in more than one justice's opinions, that look very much like a 5-4 decision one way became a 5-4 decision the other way, and suddenly and unexpectedly at that.

Kingfish said...

actually you are right. I got sidetracked and need to get back on that one, especially since it is the law of the land now.

Anderson said...

Jan Crawford has anon sources confirming the Roberts flip - sounds a lot like they're coming from Kennedy's chambers.

Still waiting for the secret videotape of the Court's deliberations, which might suffice to persuade SFX.

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