Jackson Jambalaya

IT jobs, please and thank you!

Grease those palms.

I have an old Commodore 64 they can use. Should save some bucks to get everything kicked off. I still have the tape recorder data storage system in a closet here somewhere.

Still, I question the wisdom of any business that locates inside the city limits of Canton.

Server farms do not create 1000 jobs.

Canton and Madison County doing very well, maybe if 5:13 looked at what is located near or in Canton he might see there are quite a few national and international companies located. Take your bias glasses off you dumbass!!

@5:13 - then save your investment dollars and put them elsewhere. I would think that anyone willing to invest ten billion dollars has an idea of what is needed and how it will work out for their needs.

Yes, I probably wouldn't do it either - but, I don't know 'where' in Canton this is being located. There is that area just north of where Patridge is growing weed, that is in Canton; realize weed is a much more appropriate product for Canton than anything connected to the cloud. But just as I'm sure they have plenty of security around the weed farm, these folks can do the same thing to protect this investment.

I can donate an old Atari !

January 23, 2024 at 5:02 PM "Grease those palms."
What's the matter? You didn't get your cut?

January 23, 2024 at 5:13 PM "Still, I question the wisdom of any business that locates inside the city limits of Canton."
Do you question Nissan and Amazon and others at the Madison County Mega Site Industrial Park?

You both need to read and learn before you make your uneducated, unnecessary, and useless comments.

Haters gone Hate

Taters gone Tate

Taters win this round by a landslide!!

Mega Site is not in Canton.

Data centers do not generate 1,000 jobs. I’d assume they are factoring in the 800 construction jobs.

The old Bomgar is coming back to Mississippi?

@615 - no, 1000 PERMANENT jobs. Average pay - $98,000.

Nobody said 'server' jobs, except for anonymous on a blog.

6:06, why do you want to make a further fool out of yourself when Google is your friend?
MEGA SITE LOCATION
1978 HWY 22, Canton, Mississippi 39046
32.589559, -90.093767

Data center? You don’t say. Every metro area in the country will host a data center and an Amazon distribution center very soon. It’s like having a post office. Or a Walmart. Just tell me what the state committed to get a warehouse full of computers.

Tater Tot is bringing jobs to Mississippi. More jobs, more income tax, more investment turnover, more opportunities. Presley and Dems just want more welfare and Medicaid. Do y’all see the difference in leadership and what a difference it makes? Hardworking people want jobs and opportunities to move up the ladder. Socialist Dems want welfare queens dependent on the gubmint.

AWS is a monster. And the state did not have to give away much on this. This deal is great for the state.

Google maps has a website that shows municipal boundaries. See https://www.randymajors.org/city-limits-on-google-maps?x=-90.1185000&y=32.4143000&cx=-90.0882562&cy=32.5837214&zoom=14&cities=show

According to it, this site is along but outside of the boundary for Canton. Just because the US postal service assigns the site a Canton address does not mean it's within the City limits. Lots of people are assigned munipal addresses when they are not in a city but near one. It's just for the convenience of the postal service. FYI, the address for the Flora-Bama is Pensacola, Florida. However, it's approximately 18 miles away from it’s nearest point to the city limits of Pensacola.

https://goodjobsfirst.org/at-1-billion-amazons-oregon-subsidy-is-largest-known-in-history/

Cyberdyne Systems?

I'm curious to see how the claimed "$10 billion" is calculated. Microsoft Azure, near Chicago, is about 750,000 square feet and cost about $500 million. If it isn't the nation's largest, most expensive data center, it is still among them.

Since a major premise behind these centers involves them being distributed across the US, $10 billion seems very unrealistic, especially on two very close together. Numbers aside, there is no reason that Mississippi should not have its share of buildings full of servers. There are hundreds of them around the US and it is as natural as any other transport hub in the nationwide transport network. Just like large truckstops and related facilities on the interstate highway system, or rail-yards and ports, and the goods-transport network. It would seem a given that all states do, will, or should have them. Given the apparent willingness of the state to give concessions both financial and regulatory, Mississippi's COL, the availability of the electric power necessary, etc., Mississippi seems as good a state as any in the southeastern US to put at least some larger ones. One reasonable question might be why anyone thought it necessary to expend funds to get a "bigger and better" version of something that was going to include Mississippi, at least in some form anyway, and what the ROI on the cost to get that "bigger and better" was, is, and will be.

Again, it not explained how anyone came up with a legit $10 billion on two of these centers nor what the cost to the state and its taxpayers will be. Rather than just hyping dubious numbers, the state and those hyping such projects and ventures should make real financials readily-available. Of course, if certain folks know the hyped numbers cannot stand up to reasonable analysis and scrutiny, that would temper the impetus to make any real-world numbers available at all.

AWS next to current Amazon Warehouse.
Sign has been there a while. Do anny of you ever ride and look around ?
Not in Canton city limits.
Never will be… part of a deal a few years ago.

“Amazon Web Services, Inc. is a subsidiary of Amazon that provides on-demand cloud computing platforms and APIs to individuals, companies, and governments, on a metered, pay-as-you-go basis.”
Previous site is to create 200 jobs.

Ya’ll keep ordering so they can all run up / down these roads.
Please try to buy US products.
Please.

6:53. Who’s the fool???

Didn’t the former head of ITS go work for AWS?

8:57
“I’ll be back”

This announcement coupled with the megadome in Gluckstadt is genius. Build a bunch of baseball fields so the children of nerdy tech workers can have a place to play.

I swear with people. If this $10B went to another state: "Why didn't Mississippi get it? Buncha lazy do-nothings"

$10B coming to the state: "okay, but.. wah wah wah. It's like a walmart."

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

States compete like hell for billion dollar projects. Mississippi is getting them. Don't forget these are opportunities for your kids, grandkids, etc. Hell, maybe even those here hating on it already.

Like @6:06 said... Haters gonna hate, Tater's gonna Tate!

I sincerely applaud Reeves for a job well done if it is true. I don’t think I’m unique in saying I have some doubts. I dislike almost everything about the Governor but I’d give credit it’s due. However (you knew there’d be one), it’s wrong to say it’s a great day for Mississippi. All these amazing projects are good for 3-4 counties, doesn't do a damn thing for our citizens in the delta, along the Mississippi River, or SE Mississippi. Here in the land of unintended consequences. Black folks demanded, rightfully so, more equity in our government. What they didn’t see was our legislature packing them all into one gerrymandered district. That fact allowed for the creation of majority white super districts. Prior to that they had white representation but they had enough power to influence the outcome. Now white republicans do what they want with impunity. Since Trump, really even further back with Gingrich and Obama white republicans have become even more ideologically driven to the point thatcompromise is a death warrant. But the flip side is white republicans will bring all the candy to their Meccas of Madison, Rankin, and NW Mississippi. That will increase population and urbanization. Increased Urbanization is directly proportional to increased progressive values and voting. None of us will live to see it but it’ll happen nonetheless. I’m not blind enough to believe you can drop a $10b project in Rolling Fork, but come on. How about a $10m industry linked to a pipeline of an effective job training program. I bet I could count on both fingers the number of people in this state that know what the acronym DALY means. It is an undisputed fact that the healthier the population and the better a society treats its women the better that society is. There’s an old saying, “no woman ever started a war”

The phrase, "A society is judged by how it treats the least among them” is attributed in some form to everyone from Dostoyevsky, Confucius, and the Bible, to Thomas Jefferson, Harry Truman and Hubert Humphrey .

You need no more proof than to look at how Mississippi treats its children, its elderly, its mentally ill, its disabled, its sick, and its minorities, and its prisoners to prove that axiom true.

Jackson metro is crossroads of major intersection of Zayo network between Nola and Chicago and Atl ans Dallas. Huge opportunity for several centers around the area. Makes sense.

7:34, come on man!!! Don’t be so tough on the rich white Democrats intent on keeping poor people poor, and keeping them mad enough to vote for their rich white Democrat asses come state and national election time.

Think about the extreme contribution these rich white Democrats (especially those that won’t even live in the murder capital hoods their party creates) have made to society.

Do the math 7:34!!! Getting the state flag changed is a much bigger contribution to society than having the morals required to be “bipartisan” in getting crime under control (in Jackson as an example) and saving the lives of innocent children, right???

This is very ludicrous! Tater should invest in the Capital City. ( fixing roads in the city and the highways. Invest the money in the state hospital and UMMC. BRING JOBS TO CENTRAL AREA. AQUARIUM WORLD IS MUCH NEEDED. PAY TEACHER HIGHER RAISES AND CERTAINLY NOT LEAST INVEST IN THE RURAL HOSPITAL. EXTENDED MEDCAID. THE STATE OF MISSISSIPPI IS NUMBER 1 AS A POVERTY STATE. REDUCE LICENSES PLATE AND CUT GROCERIES TAX. TATER IS A JOKE

These are the types of careers (not jobs) that retain a young workforce. Of course boomers hate it because anything new that they don’t understand terrifies them and triggers their dementia! Sometimes I think what they hate the most is that it makes salaries more competitive. Boomers hate the idea of paying a young person a living wage!

Look at all of them invoking 8-bit computers as if they sound clever!

So how do you make a company come to the Delta? Tell us how. Come on. You can do it.

You think it's just writing a check? The companies are the ones who pick the sites. There is a reason Southaven area and Golden Triangle get the projects. They want education, a work force, and a pool from which they can recruit management talent. Oh, an airport helps too. Industries tend to cluster around other industries. School districts? Well, Madison, Desoto, and Clinton public school districts probably help land those plants. If those school districts were Fs or Ds as in Holmes, those plants aren't coming.

I posted a story a long time ago on how Baton Rouge was having a hard time keeping even its home grown businesses for these reason even with LSU in the city. the trend continues. Raising Canes and Walk Ons moved their ops out of state while keeping HQ at home. Why? Because Houston and Nashville have a good recruiting pool for management.

Truth is, Delta is agricultural and suitable for low skill labor jobs.

DALY - Disability Adjusted Life Year.

I had to look it up (I'm not one of the five who knew) and find it to be an interesting measure.

Thanks.

If the locations are in fact within Canton city limits, I'm sure that part of the deal is no city taxes for 99 years of so.

I'm also fairly certain Mayor Truly will take his share of the credit for attracting the companies just like he did years ago when Walmart came to town. Like KF says, these companies do not locate based on invitations; they go where they want.

Can people from the Delta not move to Canton to work at the new company? Are they so stupid they can’t fill up their car w gas and move to get a better paying job and opportunity for advancement? I moved 3 hours from home to get my first job out of college and it didn’t pay more than $12/hour. You poor dumb people who think economic opportunity should be put in your backyard for you to pursue it or you’ll just stay on the porch bitchin and waiting on your gubmint benefits are why Mississippi stays last in everything. Y’all are too dumb for your own good.

@7:03, just FYI, these big companies look at every potential available site when locating. Some of their minimum requirements are potable water supply, working and reliable sewer and garbage service, low crime rates, good public schools and competent local political leaders w integrity. Those requirements exclude Jackson every time.

Thank God Bill Dees is not our Governor!

His math skills would have us as broke as Joe Biden has America!

Nice job Governor Reeves! Will this press conference be streamed?

10:42
He did, but he is no longer there.

Hyperscale data centers, after they become operational, typically employ about 50 workers PER BUILDING. To create 1,000 new jobs the owner would have to construct and operate 20 server buildings. Mark me skeptical.

KF, are you saying just because a thing is complicated and hard that we shouldn’t try? Hard things are hard, as the saying goes. This is why I love this blog. It’s always a great exercise in recognizing logical fallacies.

So, you attack one part of my argument, the only subjective part, to discredit my entire argument. Hmmm, let’s see which one it is. Is it ad hominem? Could be, but since I have no feelings, I don’t feel attacked. Is it red herring? Has some components but doesn’t fit. Is it strawman? Maybe.

I’m going with these three:
Texas sharpshooter. Cherry picking a data cluster or finding a pattern to fit a presumption.
Tu quoque. Answering criticism with criticism.
And,
Compostion. If something is true, all the parts must be true.

Bill Dees wrote:

"Hyperscale data centers, after they become operational, typically employ about 50 workers PER BUILDING. To create 1,000 new jobs the owner would have to construct and operate 200 server buildings."

To be fair to the project and Tate's claimed numbers, it isn't that simple. Regardless of the specific number of people employed directly to staff the center itself, there are all sorts of tertiary jobs that would be created or at least heavily influenced. Everything from contracted facilities maintenance to power transmission to even some small amount of food service delivery increase all adds up to SOME amount of additional jobs and employment security for existing jobs. Whether it would or even could add up to, in your example, 450 additional "jobs" per site is another question.

I'd even allow that if each center actually creates - creates, not redistributes - something reasonably close to 900,000 hours per year of wages (450 x 40 hours per week x 50 weeks per year) on top of your 50 site-staff jobs, it is within reason to claim "450 jobs." It would be extremely unlikely that even a few hundred jobs would be created in which each employed person worked exactly 40 hours per week and 2000 per year.

However, if each center creates a few extra hours per week of work for 100s of existing jobs, that doesn't translate into 100s of jobs created. For example, if an HVAC company gets an additional few billed hours a week each for 2 techs and 4 laborers, it certainly adds to job security for them, but it doesn't "create" 6 new jobs. Continuing with that example, it doesn't create a regional job until the HVAC company adds an additional employee not previously employed in the region to handle the extra work it has received. It doesn't "create a job" in the region if Roadrunner HVAC (Madison County) is the contractor for the center and it hires a tech away from Acme HVAC (Hinds County) and Acme doesn't replace the lost worker. That is merely "redistribution" rather than "creation."

It doesn't create a "Mississippi job" if Acme hires someone away from a coast or north Mississippi HVAC contractor to replace its lost worker and that company doesn't replace its lost worker. It does create a job if some company in the mix hires a currently unemployed person and it creates a "Mississippi job" if any of them hire a replacement worker from outside the state. However, it is likely that some of those who gain experience in data center facilities maintenance will be hired away to other states - but - at least in the early stages, there will likely be hiring of such experienced workers from other states to fill immediate needs. Both will affect regional and state jobs numbers. Just a few reasons why "job creation" is often a nebulous, misused, and misunderstood term when used without any real context or knowledge.

I'm more inclined to look at the $10 billion claimed with an analytical and skeptical eye than the 1000 jobs created claim because the jobs claim is much more difficult to assess on-the-fly without a whole lot of data. And likely and fairly, that data probably doesn't exist yet. However, someone involved in making or advancing the $10 billion claim should be able to provide general financial information and assumptions to back up the claim if it has any basis in reality.

The Governor would not name the company. So, is it one company building 2 data centers at different sites, or two different companies building each a data center in Madison County?

I heard him say 27 for something. Is that then when the buildings are expected to be completed and operational?

You don't know what you're talking about, Kingfish, re the Delta. Stay in your lane or bother to educate yourself.

Nobody is dragging a tar-bottom sack anymore and not 10% of the labor force is involved in agricultural production.

@10:42 Its AWS. Largest cloud computing company in the world. Amazon Web Services.

Amamzon Web Services - 32% of worldwide market
Microsoft Azure - 22% of worldwide market
Google Cloud - 11% of worldwide market
Nobody else exceeds 5%

Going to be wild signing into my AWS tenants and seeing MISSISSIPPI in the list of us-East locations!

@10:57 what I see as I travel through the Delta is most of the citizens are quite content to let the government take care of them.

1:06PM wrote, "Its AWS."

If so, q good look at the specifics, both positive and negative, of AWS US-East in northern Virginia (Ashburn, Loudoun County), is in order.

As far as is publicly known, unlike Ashburn, central Mississippi isn't a major backbone/hub site. From my limited knowledge of such things there is no foreseeable, reasonable reason to project it could or would become one, given its geographical location and overall infrastructure limitations. It certainly has some positives to offer as a small location on the network map, such as low land costs and low COL, excess electric power availability, etc. But again, if AWS has and will spend $50-70 billion over the last 10-20 years and next 10-20 years on its overall operations in northern Virginia, with its 100+ centers, higher direct, indirect, and build-out labor costs along with related DC-region COL offsets like housing subsidies and other worker enticements, and myriad other expenditures there, it seems unlikely that $10 billion is not a reasonable number for a couple of comparatively small AWS centers not at a major hub.

For any techies reading along - objectively and from a purely "network map" standpoint is there any realistic chance that Mississippi could become even a small version of what is currently in northern Virginia, much less what commitments to that area indicate it will become over the next 10-20 years? I understand that anything can happen, but I'm asking about reasonably(-ish) foreseeable. And speaking as a boomer, I'll save certain folks the typing: "Ok boomer, this area's lack of casual-but-curated craft crapola and indie bands playing at 24-7 Panafroasianfusion cafes that serve "tacos" of curried tofu testicles and chocolate-infused kimchi wrapped in injera, its oversupply of goon, poon, tune, and loon squads, and Trump supporters being allowed out in public are a real deal-breaker for anything other than nasty ol' capitalist un-green non-woke old-economy blue-collar manufacturing plants." Fine, noted. And next week, rare steaks, Martinis and whisky, tailored suits, and sexual harassment will be back in style. So please, just answer the question as asked.

Most agricultural related laborers in the Delta now work at Double Quick feeding lunchtime chicken-on-a-stick to the few farm workers left.

It's all big tractors and computers nowadays!

January 23, 2024 at 11:47 PM

Guess you missed the announcement and groundbreaking last fall on the $418 Million OSB plant in.... checks notes..... Shuqualak/Noxubee County.