State Representative Andy Gipson issued the following statement.
THE FACTS ABOUT HOUSE BILL 1083
Southeastern Conference and Mississippi higher education administration officials have recently engaged in deceptive and misguided criticism of House Bill 1083, enhanced carry permit legislation recently approved in the Mississippi House by an overwhelming 80-29 vote. Not only are they mischaracterizing the purpose of the bill, they are fabricating myths about its language apparently in an effort to mask the fact that they have been ignoring the law and unnecessarily restricting the rights of law-abiding citizens for years.
HB 1083 establishes a process for permit holders to peacefully challenge restrictions imposed on them by state entities that, for years, have wrongly excluded them from their premises. It tracks a procedure established in law back in 2014 for law-abiding citizens to dispute unlawful local restrictions on the carrying of firearms. If state agencies or higher education institutions aren't violating the enhanced carry permit law, they should not be impacted by this legislation. If they are crying foul, then they may need a history lesson. This might actually be the case, since the campus carry law predates the tenure of all but one of our eight university presidents.
The enhanced carry permit law was enacted in 2011, establishing an option for concealed pistol permit holders age 21 or older to obtain an enhanced endorsement on their permit after completion of eight hours of classroom and live-fire range instruction from a DPS-approved instructor, including a review of the legal requirements of concealed carry in Mississippi and laws relating to the use of deadly force. The endorsement allowed permit holders to protect themselves in locations that could be soft targets for criminals, where regular permit holders without the training could not carry. This included “any . . . college or university facility” and “any school, college or professional athletic event not related to firearms.”
This law, which passed the House unanimously, has been in existence for almost seven years. An Attorney General’s opinion issued to IHL in 2012 confirmed that universities could not ban enhanced carry permit holders from their campuses. Since then, IHL and its member universities have chosen to disregard the law by adopting policies restricting the population of responsible, trained gun owners. Myself, and more than a majority of my colleagues in the Mississippi House felt it was time to create a fair process for our citizens to challenge these unlawful policies. If you believe that unelected officials should be allowed to continue to violate the law and restrict the rights of our most law-abiding citizens, then maybe HB 1083 is not your cup of tea.
No doubt we can expect to hear a continuing parade of horribles about HB 1083, and not-so-veiled threats from the SEC about what will happen if the bill is enacted into law. Meanwhile, serious questions should be asked of these unelected officials who are denying enhanced carry permit holders the legal right to protect themselves on their campuses. Questions could include whether a “clear purse” rule for women attending football games is really an adequate rule for event security. While our universities have spent so much energy in seven years to prevent trained, law-abiding citizens from exercising self-protection, what actions have they actually taken to prevent security breaches by would-be criminals?
Andy Gipson serves as State Representative, District 77 and Chairman of House Judiciary B in the Mississippi Legislature. He is one of forty co-authors of HB 1083.
51 comments:
If someone is still in highschool and the obtain a permit can the bring it to school?
11:13....I will assume that you are not versed in firearms. Let me try to educate you to put your mind at ease, First....it is illegal for anyone under the age of 21 to possess a handgun....period. This bill referred to in the article is related to concealed carry permit holders. This means you have to be at least 21 and have not only a concealed carry permit....but....also complete the enhanced training to possess the enhanced concealed carry permit, To answer your question....I don't think there are any 21 year olds that are still in high school....so the answer to your question is a definite no. Hope this helps.
This is Mississippi. There are quite a few 21 year-olds in high school.
No. There are some conditions under which an 18 year old can carry. Students cannot carry on secondary school campuses.
§ 45-9-101. License to Carry Stun Gun, Concealed Pistol or Revolver
(2) The Department of Public Safety shall issue a license if the applicant:
(a) Is a resident of the state and has been a resident for twelve (12) months or longer immediately preceding the filing of the application. However, this residency requirement may be waived, provided the applicant possesses a valid permit from another state, is active military personnel stationed in Mississippi, or is a retired law enforcement officer establishing residency in the state;
(b) (i) Is twenty-one (21) years of age or older; or
(ii) Is at least eighteen (18) years of age but not yet twenty-one (21) years of age and the applicant:
1. Is a member or veteran of the United States Armed Forces; and
2. Holds a valid Mississippi driver's license or identification card with the "Veteran" designation issued by the Department of Public Safety.
Additionally:
§ 97-37-1. Deadly weapons; carrying while concealed; use or attempt to use; penalties; "concealed" defined (2) It shall not be a violation of this section for any person over the age of eighteen (18) years to carry a firearm or deadly weapon concealed within the confines of his own home or his place of business, or any real property associated with his home or business or within any motor vehicle.
It’s not about campus. It’s about the stadium. He keeps posting studies on social media that don’t even contain the word “stadium” as if he is completely missing the object of the criticism. Except he isn’t, because he just hopes people will buy what he says on the basis that he’s a, wait for it, pastor. It gets him elected in Niknar, so it must work everywhere, right? Wrong.
If you're having to defend your bill to the people, then it's not the will of the people.
12:02 their are some 21 year olds still in school, just so you know!!
He needs to defend that bolo tie he was wearing yesterday...
The law says 18 if you have a driver's license or if you are in the military including the national guard.
Isn’t he the one that folded to the National Organization for Women last year?
(Trying again, Kingfish)
I've commented on this psycho-ideologue in the past. He is still the most dangerous person in Mississippi, even more dangerous than Tate Reeves. Gipson and Reeves make me nostalgic for Ross Barnett.
12:02, I'm not 11:13, but I don't think I want you to be the one to "educate" me. Let's get our existing firearms laws enforced before we start down a new path of permitting.
I am so tired of that pompous thumper. Go away!
It's time to allow all staff or faculty with an Instructor Certified (IC) Enhanced Carry permit to carry on campus and school properties. Period. Won't cost the government....and a much smaller body count if/when some psychopath tries to shoot up a school.
How old do you have to be to own a rifle here?
Anybody know if Gun Loving Gibson is "paid" by the NRA or any other pro gun groups? Just curious.
We won't provide teachers with new books, paper and pencils, but we will require guns and ammo. Sounds about right.
As a gun toting NRA member, this bill scares me. Like a stock market bubble, there will be a correction if you go to far. The correction could very well be an over correction, which REALLY WILL take away our rights.
This dude is a living affront to gunmen who have taken the collar. I will see him in hell or La Belle.
You can own and possess a rifle in Mississippi if you are old enough to piss and not mess up your sheets.
Anyone that has any questions about what is on the books now.....here you go.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/mississippi.pdf
3:06 is right....however....you can't legally purchase a rifle or shotgun (referred to as a "long gun" in the statutes) until you are 18 and pass a background check from the licensed dealer at the time of purchase.
4:45 PM The number of children with rifles and other "long" guns would be in the hundreds of thousands in Mississippi. It is not unusual to see children 5 to 6 years who own guns in this state.
5:29....You are right that there are a good number of kids younger than 18 own long guns. No argument here. It's perfectly legal for them to own them. All 4:45 said was related to purchase. Those swarms of armed kids you speak of were armed by someone 18 or over if the long guns were purchased legally....most likely their parents for purposes of hunting.
Mr. Fish, As a public service would you please explain to your readers the difference between ‘their’ and ‘there’? With great appreciation.
@2:49 is correct, Gipson is exactly the ideologue that will cause a backlash. Gipson has never served his country in a foreign land where children are carrying AKs. But he seems to want a return to the Wild West.
A friend told me that Gibson has replaced McDaniel as the legislator most often criticized, lambasted, disrespected and shat upon by those who write for and frequent this blog. My friend also said McDaniel willingly gave up the crown but will regain it, as the winds shift, in the coming months.
This is the same friend that warned me about leftist, progressive trolls being assigned certain times and shifts when they are to infiltrate and saturate this blog with unwholesome and un-American thoughts.
One one hand, I think Gipson is an idiot who will never be taken too seriously . Then I am reminded that Phil was elected Governor in this state.
You can own a handgun at 18 but can’t buy one until you are 21years old from an FFL. Rifle/shotguns can be purchased at 18.
"Then I am reminded that Phil was elected Governor in this state."
Love him or hate him (and you're obviously a hater), you have to admit Phil is a tireless cheerleader for this state. His schedule would wear you and all progressives slap out...but, wind Phil up and he is 'all about Mississippi' 24/7.
You want Mabus back, right? But...you're too young to remember.
Save us from Mabus. Maybe the greatest political slogan in Mississippi history.
I had a very difficult time with Mr. Gipson's poor sentence construction and misuse of words.
As best I can tell from his convoluted " defense"...
He wants to remove the rights of those who provide goods and services to the public to make their premises secure.
It doesn't seem to occur to him that by his reasoning, he should therefore be in favor of letting anyone with a firearm enter the Capitol or any court.
He wants me to take a risk he and judges are unwilling to take. They value their lives more than they value mine apparently.
By his reasoning, a group of armed individuals who don't like their elected officials, could, with his bill, enter a restaurants where legislators congregate or a big lobbying event . The individuals could agree in advance to open fire when they are all inside.
Mr. Gipson clearly doesn't understand that sentences don't stand alone when they are in paragraphs in a larger document. Nor does he understand that this isn't 1789.
I wish we could go back to the days of the "Wild West" when murders and rapes were rare. Today we are so civilized and enlightened that murder and rape aren't even major news stories.
7:15am.....Thomas Jefferson said,
"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. Does the government fear us? Or do we fear the government? When the people fear the government, tyranny has found victory. The government is our servant, not our master! When the people fear the government, that's tyranny; when the government fears the people, that's freedom."
Thomas Jefferson also was on record saying guns do. Or belong in education settings.
Andy Gibson is a total demagogue. A sick ass.
I really, really disrespect Andy Gipson. The absolute worst of the worst.
Andy specializes in the exploitation of fears, and the generation of new fears. Such a clever devil, but a devil nonetheless.
I don't know who 8:41am and 10:5Oam mean to quote, but the Thomas Jefferson who drafted the Declaration of Independence and was 3rd president of the US - THAT Thomas Jefferson - never said or wrote either of those things. And for what it is worth, none of the "founding fathers" said or wrote the alleged quote by 8:41am.
However, they did make there thoughts on the matter of the government interfering with the people's right to keep and bear arms. That was their primary point in the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution. And no, those 10 amendments are not "rights" granted to "the people," a "bill of rights," and certainly not "THE Bill of Rights," they are specifically-debated and pointedly-drafted restrictions upon the government. On the other hand, it did not prohibit reasonable measures to ensure public safety.
Therefore, while the government cannot (Constitutionally) prohibit a "reasonable" citizen from having a firearm in their home, it can prohibit and make actionable all citizens from walking down Main Street recklessly waving a firearm or all those who have committed what is deemed a sufficiently-serious crime from possessing a firearm, just as it can prohibit and make actionable the false cry of "FIRE!" in a crowded theater.
8:17 seems to inhabit a different world than the rest of us. where is the word "reasonable" found in the Bill of Rights?
It certainly does not appear in the sentence containing "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"
9:48 pm Until the NRA existed as well as a politicized Supreme Court , the words, " a well organized militia " meant something very different in 1791. The intention was for Governors of the States to have an armed force ready to defend the state against tyranny.
Some of us don't see that as an intent to sell the violently mentally ill or criminals or those on a terrorist watch list.
Our Founding Fathers limited voting to property owners as they had proven themselves to have educated themselves. I suspect if they knew what the future held , they'd have require an IQ test and psychiatric evaluation.
They also didn't know that a foreign government would be so easily able to propagandize our Nation with nonsense like was fed to 8:41 pm or buy influence of "unwitting" citizens or bankroll political action and protest groups or that now admitted "agents of foreign governments" would ever be involved in decisions made inside the Executive branch. And, if they had imagined such, they have not imagined our citizens wouldn't care.
"...it (government) can prohibit and make actionable all citizens from walking down Main Street recklessly waving a firearm..."
Can't help but wonder where 8:17 lives. I doubt there's a village in the country where citizens are allowed to 'walk down Main Street recklessly waving a firearm'. The poster has strayed far from facts and is deep into wreaking emotional havoc among the mush-minded melon-heads at his favorite Starbucks.
People will have to agree that a gun can be a useful tool.
Can anyone find anything useful about a cigarette?
Each year here in the U.S. 480,000 people die from tobacco.
Each year second hand smoke kills 41,000 people.
I never see people marching around or protesting the cigarette counters that are located in every convenience store and grocery store.
Tobacco killed more people in the 20th century than all wars combined.
Are the people killed by guns more important than those who die from tobacco?
8:41 So true! We must also remember that the government is not the people. The government is "them" not "us".
"..Our Founding Fathers limited voting to property owners as they had proven themselves to have educated themselves."
Dang, I sure miss those days.
Andy Gipson has set himself up against the officials running our Universities, and who must preserve the standing of the universities with the SEC. Andy is an extremist and a throw back to the dark ages in our State. Andy, let IHL and the Universities do their jobs without you sticking your dumb nose in their business.
1:30pm ...."let IHL and the Universities do their jobs"......you have got to be joking.....they don't actually DO anything except squander taxpayer money. They seem to have a political stranglehold on the state of Mississippi with their some $3 BILLION budget that no one wants to poke that bear. Mississippi is at the bottom of the country on every performance related list. That's what you can attribute to the IHL and the Universities, and until those idiots begin to explain why they are growing by the hundreds of millions and the state's citizenry is either leaving or getting poorer, they will remain as the glaringly obvious problem with the state of Mississippi. We're talking about the leadership, and not the thousands of good staff and faculty that are trying educate and prepare young people, but that are punished for doing because it's not politically correct.
I want to know the rationale for the NRA and GOP Congress refusing to support the following:
1. Banning the sale of guns to those on the terrorist watch list
2. Banning the sale of guns to those who have been convicted of a violent crime
3. Banning the sale of guns to those who have a restraining order against them for domestic abuse or violence
4. Banning the sale of guns to those who have been diagnosed with a mental illness where they have repeatedly expressed the desire to harm themselves or others or are delusional or experiencing hallucinations.
5. Banning the sale of guns to the legally blind unless a firing range or relative with sight agrees to store the weapon and supervise its use.
And, the above 5 have to have the generated lists and the enforcement to back them up.
None of these bans would stop murders or mass murders. Some will be first timers but it's their decision to lose their gun rights.
That anyone argues that the lack of perfection of a law is why there should be no law is a clear sign of stupidity.
But, it would go a long ways to reduction in gun violence over time.
We used to be able in the '50's to remove guns from the dangerous even when we thought there was a communist under every rock. None of the dire NRA predictions happened.
IF you think your legal arsenal will protect you from fighter jets and tanks and bombs against tyranny, you best take a look at the Middle East.
And, those of you who think hand guns will stop those with an assault rifle in an ambush are completely stupid and NEVER were in combat.
And, if you are planning to resist tyranny, you'd best have a good enough plan as did the resistance in France so you aren't in the above 5 categories. Only the convicted felons might be disciplined enough to help. The rest will get you killed!
The Florida shooting took 6-7 minutes. How long does it take you to get your gun off safety and firing? Are you dumb enough to think the person with the assault rifle won't see you and do you imagine, your adrenaline will give you that head shot you'll need if he's wearing a vest?
God save us from gullible and stupid.
8:52: Amen!!! Thank you! Some common sense at last! And I still don’t want a hater and person supporting gun violence like Andy telling our University Presidents what to do.
8:52am
God did not save us from you.
10:05 am cute...so what in my comment speaks to gullibility or stupidity?
Unlike you, I don't want to remain gullible and uninformed.
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