Jackson Jambalaya

All those businesses can move downtown and improve the tax base.

How many of them are on the Flowood side? I only see a couple. Maybe I missed some.

Got news for you. Downtown ain't improving the tax base.

looks like a good investment to buy some of those , huh? another dumb move by the locals politicos who will have to buy them in order to demolish and flood.
thanks for the heads up

btw ...you should let more people know about the credit swap fiasco.

How many of these will end up in Madison or out past Dogwood?

I did everything I could to let people know about it. Wrote articles on there, published columns in the Northside Sun, went on Kim Wade's show and discussed it, what more could I do?

As for the last comment, you are correct in your thinking. Don't think Gary Rhoads and the others don't know it either.

Harvey Johnson voted to flood downtown and reduce the local tax base. Facts are inconvenient things.

A massive increase in ad valorem taxes to pay for levees simply won't pass at the ballot box. Not in Hinds County. Not in Rankin County.

So while Ladd and Stauffer and Daniel Johnson and the rest of the self-appointed "experts" work to bend you over so they can gain access to blow prodigious amounts of smoke up your bung, ask them one easy question.

What is Plan B after the taxes aren't passed by the people at the ballot box? They have no Plan B. It is going to take 60% to pass. They have no Plan B.

The levee plan is the Madison County Economic Development plan in disguise.

I'm sure the city would declare eminent domain and pick up the buildings for next to nothing. I know for a fact one of the business owners of one of the buildings has already expressed his desire to move to Madison. This will probably seal it.

I'm sure the city would declare eminent domain and pick up the buildings for next to nothing.

Using eminent domain is the only way to get those buildings because the approval of the levee plan has in one stroke destroyed their value in the open market. Only a fool would purchase any of those buildings now at anything north of extremely distressed fire sale prices and only to collect some rent during the interim. I'm sure the progressive levee crowd hasn't even begun to consider the public costs associated with the inevitable eminent domain court cases the building owners will file to fight for their fair value.

well, what the hell, downtown really, really, needs water as of this morning!

Penn's pays over $18,000 annually in property taxes for that location. $6184 goes to the city and $7991 to JPS. Every dollar in gross sales off their menu also kicks in 1.295 cents in sales taxes to the city plus additional special tax monies to pay for the loss-leader known as the Convention Center and the JCVB. That doesn't even include some percentage of net staff payroll dollars that in turn are spent in Jackson.

Way to go Harvey. Shop local!

10:27...lol! Humor is otay by me, panky !

Yeah, I wonder if the convention center has water right now. Never seen such a waste in my entire life.

Penn's pays over $18,000 annually in property taxes for that location. $6184 goes to the city and $7991 to JPS. Every dollar in gross sales off their menu also kicks in 1.295 cents in sales taxes to the city plus additional special tax monies to pay for the loss-leader known as the Convention Center and the JCVB. That doesn't even include some percentage of net staff payroll dollars that in turn are spent in Jackson.

Don't forget 10:35AM that all of those businesses, including the restaurants, also pay ad val on furniture, fixtures and equipment owned and+or leased in Hinds.

Does the King Edward have water?

With each passing hour this water disaster is making Harvey Johnson look more and more like an inept Ray Nagin. Don't know who Johnson listens to for PR advice but he better change advisors in a big time hurry. Are you listening Mims?

Maybe the Corps and Daniel Johnson can design a new water system for Jackson.

Harvey Johnson as Ray Nagin

Johnson described the problem as a “water crisis” of undetermined duration.

Can we come and crap in your backyard Mr. Mayor? Maybe now would be a good time to launch a city-wide composting campaign.

WWFD? Frank would have at least picked up a shovel and put on a hardhat. Harvey had years to rectify this horrible situation.

KF, I understand your point about these various property's tax value to the city of Jackson but I can remember when that spit of land was pumped out of the Pearl River onto its natural flood plain. That property probably never should have been allowed to be developed back in the 70's. It has been an impediment to the natural river flow ever since in addition to displacing water onto other properties. I wonder who originally developed the property? Hummm?

JawBreaker

So, Jawbreaker, you for the levees?

ALL of the properties are in Jackson. NADA in Rankin county.

ANON @ 1253hr, I got no dog in that hunt anymore. Lakes would be beautiful but not a panacea. Levees just create big ditches but are more practicable.

BTW what is the mean elevations of the twin lakes water levels? I used to ply my trade in one of those pictured buildings and always had a great view of the river in the spring. Would they be lakefront property or in the lake property?

Are we a hick state or what?

We are a hick state with some 50 year old Haight Ashberry "wannabees".

Yeah, they all ride Harleys.

Let me see, how many other "strips" in Jackson have doctors offices and the like?

Northtown, Part of Ridgewood, the rest of Lakeland, and state street. That is about it. Nice job, taking out a good-sized chunk of where your professional offices are in Jackson.

My little Roos doc is in there....

My dentist and pediatrician are in those buildings.

My ex-travel agent is in one of those buildings.

Like someone else has already said, those buildings should have never been built there in the first place.

I'm so old I can remember when probably over half of them were built. A contractor friend of mine was working on one of the multistory buildings just past the bridge on the Rankin side, and we had several conversations about what a bad idea it was to build such a building in that location. If a flood didn't get you there, some kind of levee or restructure of the area eventually would.

My OFFICE is in one of those buildings. What to the fruit lops at JFP, lead by that wierdo Daniel Johnson, have to say about this?

Like someone else has already said, those buildings should have never been built there in the first place.

Well then we could say the same about any buildings along or near Town Creek. In fact, why are we repeating past mistakes? All development along Town Creek should stop now. If we have suddenly found Jesus about development in flood plains then it has to apply everywhere.

The property acquisition costs alone will be staggering. All of that prime commercial property with existing buildings, not to mention the damages to lease-holders who have to locate new locations, loss of business claims, relocation costs, etc. All of that is compensable under eminent domain law. And the gov't isn't going to get all of that property amicably, so you have to throw in litigation costs as well. Hundreds of millions of dollars will be spent on acquisition before the first shovel of dirt is moved. You can bet that the cost of this thing will be 2-3 times what is estimated.

You couldn't be more right Catfish. Guaranteed that the back of the napkin costs estimates being used to discredit Two Lakes in favor of levees doesn't include a penny of those costs on the levee side of the equation.

AND the Corps is too CHICKENSHIT to have a PUBLIC HEARING on this, so that all of the idiots at the JFP could see what BLIND IDIOTS they are.

You would think, for the sake of transparecy, they (the Corps)would level with us PUBLICLY. Why are the ANGRY AT THE CORPORATE WORLD hippies at the JFP selectively "quiet" about this?

They don't give a damn about levees 9:18AM. This is their personal animus all dolled up to look like a profound concern for flood control. You HAVE to see that.

ANGRY AT THE CORPORATE WORLD hippies

funny

"They don't give a damn about levees 9:18AM. This is their personal animus all dolled up to look like a profound concern for flood control. You HAVE to see that."

AGREED. The dumbasses are pissed OFF that someone other than their BROKE ASSES may make a buck or two.

Now y'all all settle DOWN. YOU KNOW THAT IF EVERYONE IN THIS COUNTRY WAS LIKE THE JFP, we would have a MUCH more robust country!

Yawn.

I can't really believe that the Corps would plan something like this, and noone know about it. PROVE IT.

Prove what?

Anon @0859, "...well then we could say the same about any buildings along or near Town Creek. In fact, why are we repeating past mistakes?..."

Not so much, I doubt that any of the Town Creek developments impeed the flow of the Pearl (Town Creek Saloon notwithstanding) so apples and oranges.

JB

This is all so unbelievable.

You must be dense JB. Flood plain development. Town Creek floods with, or without, help from the Pearl.

Where will all the people come from Ben?

Ironic at best, but isn't McGowan Oil in one of those buildings!?

Their building is on the dry side of the levee. Crane Ridge.

By the way, nobody who believes the JFP's bullshit should be hoodwinked into thinking that Mayes will come through the levee plan unscathed. A base-massive reinforced concrete floodwall will be built along the northern border of the park from east of the Bonsai on Lakeland to a point terminating just east of the state park entrance on Lakeland Terrace. The height of the 3700+ foot long wall will vary between 20-30 feet tall. ** Won't that be picturesque. **

Oh, if you think such an undertaking is going to be some benign non-destructive construction project that won't impact the park property south of the wall footprint, well, er, you probably also believe that a Donna Ladd endorsement can actually get a politician elected to office.

Trust me those numbnuts are blinded by contempt for anything white, male, Republican and successful.

Those numbnuts are blinded by contempt for anyone who disagrees with their agenda.

Two Lakes guy was real smart in sending that letter to the NS complaining about the JFP. Guess no one told him he should have sent letter to them first and then write letter to NS if they refused to print it and include the said refusal in his letter.

They are going to edit the letter for their readers. I think the sequence works out well this way. No surprise they tried to slime McGowan. They didn't plan on getting caught. She obviously doesn't know anything about this city.

What is the "NS"? What letter?

Northside Sun. The letter is the one Ladd and company are typically freaking out about.

It probably won't come as a surprise to you 2:19 but people know nothing about the planned levees. When you tell them the details 9 out of 10 say no way they could support levees.

ALL the BS at the JFP about witholding studies by the corps is a sack of sh*t. They honest to God are clueless. CLUELESS.

I attend EVERY Levee Board meeting. They NEVER come, but then they post all over their site about yet "another" conspiracy theory.

The fact of the matter is THERE IS NO PLAN B AND PLAN A WILL NEVER PASS. this is NOT "George Bush's" fault, or anyone in the corner of the Two Lakes advocates.

Can there PLEASE be a debate between Donna Ladd, todd Stauffer and the Two Lakes Foundation?

KF can you arrange the challenge? Do it at the Auditorium.

Challenge the JFP to come, and not their surrogates, as they are the ones putting this mindless dribble (lies) out there.

Kingfish DO IT. I would love to see the mouth herself FINALLY have to put her money where her dumbass mouth is.

They have debated. Did on WLEZ a year or two ago. McGowan cleaned their clock if I remember correctly.

Quote I saw at the Northside Sun which sums the situation up well.

From Edwards to Utica, Terry to Jackson, Flowood to Pisgah, Pelahatchie to Puckett, Brandon to Florence and every place in between the bill to pay for the levees must be approved by 60% of voters in two separate counties.

The taxes will fail. They won't pass.

So ask these self-appointed levee experts at the Jackson Free Press, who can't get their own taxes paid on time to avoid leins, this one easy question. After all the time has been squandered, after the costs of a political campaign and, finally, after the taxes are not approved by the people at the ballot box what is their Plan B?

Found the quote here.

http://www.northsidesun.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Facts+belie+publication%E2%80%99s+characterization%20&id=5541581&instance=homeopinion