Jackson Jambalaya

Man, DOR must really feel like the only girl at the lonely hearts dance!

God forbid the decision should be made based on the most cost effective and efficient location.

And, again we will have wasted money on objective studies that those with a political/personal muddy the waters with nonsense.

Conservative , fiscal principles don't seem to be very genuine when a government ( state or federal) will enhance your political ambitions or help your constituency or increase your community's revenues.

No mention of grounds upkeep with any of these alternatives, is there?

News flash, sidewalks don't need mowing or fertilizing or pruning!

I certainly don't think the Ergon building is the best option, but I wholeheartedly agree with their request that the RFP process be allowed to work without interference from the legislature.

That elected municipal and county board might 'jump in the fray'. What a concept! Should they sit on their thumbs?

Would the owner of this blog suggest that is not their right, sorry, their obligation? Who can argue against the sensibility of both of these boards suggesting the process be followed and that power-politics stay the hell out of the way?

12:00
Can't really see where the "owner of this blog" has any problem with them going after this. Maybe I'm just too dumb to read between the lines like you apparently do. I guess I could read your comment as suggesting you spend a lot of time with your thumb up your ass. You are sitting on it, right?

Is there anything the legislators WON'T interfere with, if they think it would provide them some political advantage?

One can tell by the tone of voice in the original post (and title) that the action of both boards is being mocked by the blog administrator, thus the 12:00 remark. Should not the blog administrator congratulate the actions of both boards in recommending the a-political process be followed, politics aside? So, yes, 12:47, it would appear that you ARE too dumb to read between the lines. All elected county and city boards with skin in this game should let their official opinion be known.

Did JJ get scooped by Yall Politics with letter from Leland, Palmer and Barksdale?

Don't matter.

The legislation is dead for this year.

The RFP process will proceed.

It will be a lease.

I hope you are right. It should be a lease in the Landmark Building downtown. Everyone wins but mostly the taxpayer wins. It's by far the best deal AND the people that own the building can rent it to the state cheaper than the state can buy it and rent it to itself. DFA is a nuthouse, they can't manage commercial property. The rent would end up needing to be 2-3 bucks a foot more to make up for their incompetence.

Can you imagine the stupidity of placing it in the Ergon property in the middle of nowhere. Word on the street is a dereliction of duty lawsuit could be on the horizon.

Where is Harvey Johnson and the Jackson City Council?

Being smart. Best thing for them to do is be quiet.

DFA is a nuthouse, they can't manage commercial property.

Really an amazing comment considering your endorsement of the Landmark and Blount's other bill SB2472 which puts more power in the hands of DFA, not less.

Odd how many times KF you've sat on that exact same comment.

The Mississippi Assembly broke into a similar factionalism in the 19th century when every village and municipality introduced a bill moving the permanent capital to an adjoining place.

Kingfish, why would you state on your radio program this week that the advocates for Landmark, in your opinion, were more hungry?

Have you asked for a copy of the Millsaps study Kingfish, not the synopsis?

David Blount and Millsaps have the copies for presentation and evidence during hearings when this advances and not for you anonymous chickenshits. It is real and not influenced by a one million dollar commission asshole.

Meanwhile; Clintonians will customer-up en masse tonite at Crechales to court a move to their burg. So far 42 have signed up to eat. Reporters with casette recorders unwelcome.

Neat little shift there. According to 9:49 PM there is no study. Only "evidence" which formed the basis of the Powerpoint presentation. No wonder why Blount can't release the study, there isn't one.

Right now I don't have an opinion on which site to choose because......

I HAVE NOT READ A SINGLE PROPOSAL. Everything else is just lobbying.

...during hearings when this advances ...

Which won't be this year.

Cushman and Wakefield is on the DJP website...."Articles of Interest" section. Strange that the Mayor and Aldermen of Clinton have held a party, now the governments of Ridgeland and Madison have as well, and we get total crickets from our dynamic Jackson Mayor and equally impressive City Council.

That probably helps if you think about it.

Why shouldn't Ridgeland jump into the fray?

Because every now and again, politicians should realize that they work for the " people" who elected them and their " people" also live a State and a Nation, not just in their little county.

The lack to see beyond your own nose like this is exactly at the heart of our deficit spending. " Get me mine and to hell with the State or Nation".

Leland let the cat out of the bag.

Downtown Jackson Partners paid for the study, er, evidence, er, Powerpoint presentation that Blount is pushing as justification.

It was in the letter to the editor this weekend and 16 knew DJP was paying for it months ago. Leland told Stuart. BFD. Go to y'all politics and read it for yourself.

"Cat out of the bag". So juvenile.

So 10:46 do you agree with Rosemary Aultmann, that Millsaps will lie with the facts to support someone commissioning a study from them. Ie: they are whores?

Go easy on 10:46, 12:25. HE has a million reasons to feel as he does.

You might be hearing crickets February 22, 2013 at 9:18 AM from Jackson's Mayor and City Council because they want the building kept private.

So does any sane person, but the situation is what it is. The mayor and city council show no leadership in any effort ever. Give me one example of leadership by either.

Give me one example of leadership by either.

They've done an outstanding job with the high tech surface-based sewage piping system in Fondren. Every homeowner there, and especially on Crane, are pinching themselves in glee over their good luck. Property values are exploding in Fondren in anticipation of the full rollout of the new system. The public school system is crap but the shit piping system is state-of-the-art!

They will be introducing the surface shit system to Eastover next down on the river side of Meadowbrook Road. There is a lot of product to move down there, A LOT, and this system is designed for maximum effluent situations.

They don't call Jackson the new Creative Class Bastion of the Old South for nothing. Follow Quentin Twitterwell for all the latest developments.

Neither the outdated C&W study nor 'the bought and got what they paid for Millsaps' recap of the C&W study consider the Ergon/DTI building as an option.
It just became available at the end of 2012.
Why not let the DFA RFP process work?
Maybe then the true costs of fitting the DOR into one of the 3 facilities and the actual costs to operate and secure each of these buildings will actually be compared by an independent source that is not paid to reach/bias a conclusion.

Millsaps has the best business school in the state. They are not going to risk their reputation by being bullied into an answer not supported by the data.

508. You get an extra nickel from Madison chamber for working Jackson bashing into this discussion. Extra nickel for our original characterization of Quentin.

If so 5:48, then why did they not include anything in their so called study about the Ergon/DTI property?

Neither the outdated C&W study nor 'the bought and got what they paid for Millsaps' recap of the C&W study consider the Ergon/DTI building as an option.

Face it, the shortcomings you note do not remotely represent the total list. NOT ONE SINGLE LISTED MEMBER of the Millsaps evidence collection effort has ANY DIRECT EXPERIENCE in this specific area nor subject matter. Surely not Bill Brister and greenhorn Russell Morrison.

The idea that Prophet Ben and the DJP would commission anything that wouldn't confirm their desperate storyline is laughable. Only a FOOL would believe that DJP would pay for a comprehensive objective evaluation of metro area consolidation opportunities for state government.

And Prophet Ben is counting on YOU to be that FOOL.

Incoming in 3-2-1 ... but PLEASE Ben, refute without your infantile tirades. Don't be juvenile Ben.

Why is C and W outdated? Specifics please. Specifics.

The Speed/Palmer/Barksdale ad letter should be everyone's " hint".

Perhaps, just once,can we give making a decision to spend taxpayer money based on facts provided by those with expertise a chance rather than continue with " feelings"and personality based decisions ?

@5:48: "Millsaps has the best business school in the state."

LOL LOL LOL LOL

When you can't destroy the message destroy the messenger. Yes douchbag, the best in the state. Name one better. I suppose you argue Millsaps national reputation? Millsaps isn't getting a cool mill for suggesting DT. How about you?

YO. 9:58. Read Barksdale's, Palmer, Speed letter yet? Lets now hear you bash their collective stupidity.

Anyone actually dissing Millsaps and its credentials is totally grasping at straws. The Else School of Business Managment and the MBA program IS the best in the state. To intimate that Millsaps would "cheat" to obtain pre-determined results would be offensive, if not obviously spoken by a biased, conflicted observer.

I just read the Barksdale, Palmer, Speed letter. Strong. This information needs to be public BIG TIME. What has happened to the "watch our tax money" fiscally "conservative". Gunn should be ashamed. Someone earlier said something about a Senate run for him. Right.

His comments about "best for Clinton" and to hell with what is best for taxpayers makes him a political GONER statewide, no matter how this debacle turns out.

5:59 that is why so many of his collegues refer to him as "Meathead" when he is not around....I am on the other side, but on the staff of one of his D collegues.

Says all this "red meat" stuff and learned quickly that the biggest redneck usually wins "down heah in Missippi". Like this stupid "gun manufacturer PLEASE move heah" shit, with no documentation, facts, numbers....NOTHING.

And HE is the "Speakah uf da Howse". Redneck Kenny Stokes.

Wow, i'm a repub and the last two posts are dead on. what happened to our real people? all these people are jokes, sorry but its funny.

Yeah you Repubs are a freaking JOKE. All this watch our taxes is only important when it means poor or BLACK people are getting help.

Please allow comments on your paid for letter post.
How much is Speed's commission for selling the dilapidated downtown property?
Aren't these 'captains of industry part' of the problem, reelecting Harvey Johnson, fighting for status quo, etc?

The real Republicans died when the racists took over.

2-22, 5:55---maybe because the Ergon building is so super that they did not want the completion?

Why in God's name would the Lampton rich boys (all off of their Father and you too bax) be so GD concerned about a shit investment they made in "marvelous Madison Cayuntee"? This is only red ass money to them.

949 stupid shit. "SPEED" gets no commission. If you don't know that you are not worth replying to.

What's really up with people who PAY to have their opinion stated in a manner that prohibits reply, rebuttal or rebuke? All it says to us hicks is "Lookie here. I have enough money to make my point while prohibiting yours." (Followed by the usual cheerleader at 10:02)

Not one of you critics has pointed out where the studies are in error.

Instead you have engaged in character assassination and accused Millsaps of " selling out" without one whit of evidence to back up any accusations made.

It is killing the messenger indeed, because you can't dispute the accuracy of the message.

Right on 9:23. Completion of what 9:52?

1. Advertisers are paying to get their message out, not debate the trolls. Some, such as Bigger Pie and MCPP, allow comments to be posted on their sponsored content. Others don't. You have the right to read this site. You don't have the right to comment on every post whenever you feel like it. Don't like it? Go to Y'all, JFP, Cottonchicken, MississippiPep, and the CL.

2. Alot of this is indeed shooting the messenger. Everyone step back and think for a second. We are all making comments without looking at a single proposal. There are three proposals. We don't know how much they are, the features offered, the renovation or alteration costs, and similar issues. We don't know. Hard to say where it should be when we don't know the proposals.

Having said that, the politics surrounding it is certainly fair game for comment and criticism. These are all big boys. They can handle it when they take actions in the public domain such as press conferences and letters to the editor.

Hey 9:49. Check out page 8 B of today's Clarion Ledger.

Not one of you critics has pointed out where the studies are in error.

There is no Millsaps study, only a presentation. It is obvious why the study, er, evidence behind the presentation isn't being released because the purchasers do not want the public to have the ability to conduct any evaluation on the work -- the scope, assumptions, data collected, analytical criteria nor the conclusions reached.

12:03 there is a Millsaps study.I was a spectator at the presntation. It is inches thick with spread sheets, footnotes, backup information the whole nine yards. Everyone at the Senate Public Properties meeting saw the entire study. Blount and Millspas have the entire study. What is so hard to grasp about this? Were you there?

You don't go to a 15 minute presentation before a political committee and hand them 3 inches or paperwork. You do an executive summary (RE: powerpoint) that is backed up with your references and data.

This is merely a smoke screen by you and others that don't like what BOTH BOTH BOTH studies recommended.

Again....let's all say together: "When you can't stand or refute the message, destroy the messenger". Saul Alinsky and the "Obama Playbook".

Hey 12:03. Go to page 8 B of today's Clarion Ledger. Read it and weep.

9:52: How can that possibly be called 'advertising' when it's nothing more than the Speedists making their tired point yet again by paying Kingfish to print it and not allow comments. If it's 'advertising' as you suggest, 'advertising' what and to what audience? Do you really think we are that damned stupid KF? Trolls? Where would you possibly be without them?

Does anyone know what the position of Mayor Harvey Johnson and the Jackson City Council is on this?

Who are they?

Shadowfax, welcome back.

Speak for yourself KF. He is too predictable to be interesting.

YAWN

What is it about the post at 5:35 that Kingfish either feels threatened by or that he doesn't want to address? What difference does it make what cyber personality makes or doesn't make a point on here? Read up a bit on logical fallacies Kingfish. It's a particularly eggregious fallacy to refuse to address a truthful, honest post because you can't, and then laying it off on dislike of the contributor.

To review; you were untruthful when you claimed the Barksdale, Speed commentary was an advertisement. No produce or service was advertised and there was no target audience identified or solicited. It was nothing more than a paid-for attempt to influence opinion on a political matter. Now, if you want to call the fellow who wrote and paid for the 'piece' a lobbyist, that would be more honest.

Blah, blah, blah.

9:32 I realize you have a reading comprehension problem so I will type slowly. You also have a vendetta against someone who started his own blog so he could do what he wants to do - you don't like it - ask for your money back, then leave.

First, no one is selling "produce" here - the Farmer's Market is long gone. If, by chance, you meant "product", you're just clueless. Political parties spent over a billion $ last year, "ADVERTISING", yet no one was asked to purchase a "produce or service". These paid postings are "advertisements" - someone is paying for access to an audience they hope to reach, for whatever reasons they have. KF is certainly allowed to decide to take their money and post their messages if he so desires.

If you don't like it - go away and start your own blog. You won't be missed.

It's 'product', not produce. And who are you addressing at 9:32 when the post was made at 9:42?

The point is Kingfish has lied to the entire readership by claiming the Barksdale/Speed 'contribution' was an advertisement. And a few of you goobs bought it. Most didn't.

As was asked in the earlier post; What product or service was being advertised, what audience was being sought? An advertisement typically solicits either a sale of a product/service or an agreement to a principle being marketed. Marketing 101. Neither existed. Again, very simply, the mouthpiece for Barksdale/Speed paid Kingfish to publish an opinion to which no rebuttal was possible. Own it.

Definition of ADVERTISING:
The action of calling something to the attention of the public especially by paid announcements

Apparently it worked... sure got some attention here.

DAMN IMPRESSIVE ADS TOO. Kicking the haters asses so far.

BS. You ain't kicking nothing Ben except the goads. Your desperation is comical.

5:20; assuming (for fun's sake) your narrow definition of advertising to be all encompassing, what is it that was called to the attention of 'the public', other than the moribund, languishing opinion of Speed and Barksdale? They're desperate to get members of the legislature to buy into their theory and could not give one hoot in hell what best serves the people of the entire state. Their selfish motivation is directed solely at revitalization of a corpse, nothing more.

Right on 4:06. You NAILED it! Nailed it.

Page 4 A Clarion Ledger today. you NAILED it! Nailed it.

Ah, yes. Now comes another young impressionable kool-aid drinking greenhorn named Matthew D. Bolian who thinks his opinion is very, very important because Prophet Ben has told him that he, Matthew, somehow, "gets it".

So with stars in his eyes, a swelling in his chest and a Team Jackson scout badge sewn to his windbreaker Ben Allen's latest devotee Matthew brings forth a "paid advertisement" op-ed column -- because the unknown Bolian is important and everyone leans in to hear what he has to say -- harping the same tired and overused claptrap that Jackson's suburbs won't be able to stop Jackson's cancer from metastasizing into their communities if patient Jackson is allowed to go terminal.

And, wouldn't you know it, the chemo to save Jackson has to be pumped directly into downtown if the patient is to be saved. Matthew's solution, as always, is the same one-note more money solution. This time, he argues, it must be the forced redistribution of economic impact dollars -- in this case gouged from the economic viability of a healthy Clinton -- back, specifically, into Jackson's downtown ghost town.

The price for the suburbs to pay for this round of chemo to save Jackson, per Matthew, is the gutting of $1.25-$2.25 million in economic impact the DOR workers leave in the Clinton area and the re-injection of those dollars into downtown. Now don't forget suburbs (wink, wink) you don't want to catch this Jackson cancer. So pay up.

It also goes without saying that Matthew takes great umbrage that Philip Gunn should even dare fight to keep this economic activity in his hometown of Clinton. Drink the "vibrant central city" kool-aid Philip, says Matthew. Drink it now, drink it heartily. You and Clinton won't survive Philip if downtown Jackson doesn't survive. Repent, see the light.

Unfortunately for Matthew his tunnel vision doesn't allow him to see that Jackson's suburbs are doing just fine, thank you, despite Jackson's nearly four decade slide into the pervasive decline borne of gross political incompetence.

Nor does Matthew understand that the people, businesses and leaders in the suburbs have heard the same sad sing-song of impending gloom leaking out of Jackson played so many times that they have simply stopped listening.

Matthew, you don't have enough experience and wisdom to see that Ben Allen is full of shit.

And Matthew, to the 67% of the metro area population who does not live there Downtown Jackson is more like the other nuisance beggars of coins standing, with cardboard sign and bucket in hand, at the northbound I55 off-ramp to County Line Road: always there, always disheveled and always begging.

Good luck Matthew. You are going to need it.

At least Matthew has the balls to put his name out there. Besides why do you care to insult this guy? What's in it for you?

Looks like he trumps you too February 26, 2013 at 3:38 PM.

YAWN

Shadowfax would never have gotten away with that 1:42 post. Kingfish would have straddled his neck and insulted him nine ways from Sunday. And the Speed-Allen suckups would have stoned him unmercifully. Perhaps the Fish is still sleeping off his trip to Arkansas.

Dang 1:42 is an angry, mean, cynical sumbitch.

How about an open thread on senators pouting because they are not getting their way?

How about an open thread on senators pouting because they are not getting their way?

Damn this site is funny. Shit all over the place.

Perhaps the Fish is still sleeping off his trip to Arkansas.

Or, perhaps, he actually understands.

Understands what? Unabashed hate and evil toward people trying to Iimprove even the criticizer's life?

Hello Ben (9:41). Whazzup dude?