Jackson Jambalaya

I am shocked that this is news. For the most part it is old news if you know these people.

This isn't even the good stuff. Lots of stuff out there that the best soap writers could not come up with.

Austin and Claiborne never had a chance. Given too much without having to earn it. I bought my first car for $1,200 at age 18 and drove it to Ole Miss. In the same freshman dorm parking lot, Austin and Claiborne had FOUR vehicles between the two of them (Ford Bronco and Sterling for Claiborne; Convertible Mustang 5.0 and Buick Park Avenue with mud tires for Austin). Some "responsible" adult is the root cause of all of this.

Anyone know how to tell when Claiborne or Austin is lying?

Their heart is beating

12:45 - when they're talking? Sounds like he almost enjoyed throwing out the "Mom and Pops". I have known one of them for years and they are just salt of the earth good people that didn't deserve the treatment they got.

These two sound like they grew up with people feeling sorry for them for being from a divorced home and let them get away with and have anything they wanted.

Old news? Quite a few people did not know how bad it was. Several people have told me they thought they knew what these guys had allegedly done but didn't realize the scope of it until they read these posts. Keep in mind fraudsters usually find more victims until they are put in jail; thus another reason to write about this story on JJ.

It has been pretty common knowledge that these guys have been messing people over for a while. Even so, I appreciate KF putting all the detail out there for those of us know privy to the details.

KinFish, maybe you can shed some light on an interesting line of questioning from the BancorpSouth representative,,,

Mr Frazier,

Did you sell a condo to so-and-so?

Yes I did,

What did you do with the money?

I deposited it into Van Buren
account.

Did any proceeds go to release the deed of trust?

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Mr Frazier,

Did you sell a condo to so-and-so?

Yes I did,

What did you do with the money?

I deposited it into Van Buren
account.

Did any proceeds go to release the deed of trust?

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Mr Frazier,

Did you sell a condo to so-and-so?

Yes I did,

What did you do with the money?

I deposited it into Van Buren
account.

Did any proceeds go to release the deed of trust?


This went on 6-7 times and then
out of the blue----

Mr Frazier, do you own any guns?

Interesting question from a banker.

Mr. Frazier had answered a number of questions related to hunting club membership, lodges, and land. Only one gun is exempt under bankruptcy. An avid hunter would likely own more than one gun. Just like the boat and four-wheeler questions, I'm sure the banker was trying to establish if Mr. Frazier had any undeclared assets.

It appears that BXS doesn't know where the money from the condo sales went. Since they were the lender, they were due loan repayments (aka releases on the deed of trust) when each condo sold. BXS appearantly never saw the money....thus the $1.2MM lawsuit of the earlier post.

Either BXS doesn't know how to account for loan payments...or some money went missing

Of course, this exam occured almost 2 years ago. The Travelers suit that KF also posted is more current. Thanks again for all the info, KF.

These boys have stolen from, cheated on, lied to and swindled almost every person they have ever encountered. They have done so while laughing at the misfortune of others and having no regard for those they took advantage of or anyone else in their path of greed and destruction.

The enablers that have helped along the way have also been good at turning a blind eye to anything resembling the truth of what total sacks of s**t these boys are.

Pretty interesting that Claiborne has never paid a dime to the child proven to be his. The deposition was done in 2009 and to this date, he STILL has not paid a dime. Interesting how he manages to continue with his worthlessness, but still continue to be out at bars and other spots professing his remorse. Wonder what dear old Mom would say if she knew of the other little Frazier children out there that neither one of the boys have claimed, seems to be a pattern with these guys. And to know that these children were all fathered while the boys were married to the Mothers of the only children Mom claims as "Fraziers."

Being 2011 now and seeing that NOTHING resembling justice has happened with these two, I am sad to say I think Madame Justice must truly be blind!

Way to speak the truth 2:47...well said.

2:47 You nailed it!

These two guys need to be in prison and serve some time. If what is true....and I read the transcripts from the Van Buren Condo vs Holly Springs Realty...

we don't need any more white collar crime in the State of MS.

It's a black mark on our state!
What Fortune 500 Co will come here knowing that?

Finally a previous comment has hit the nail on the head abut how these guys really operate. There is nothing in our civil legal system that will ever get their attention. It's going to have to be criminal and prison. Then maybe after some Bubbas make them their bitches, they might wake up.

Wake up?!? they never go to sleep :)

Why do laws seem to only apply to those who follow them? It appears that once you cross over to the OTHER side, the rules no longer apply. Claiborne and Austin have been living a fancy lifestyle as long as I have known them. They stopped following the rules and laws a long time ago.

It insults me to see the promises of paying back and making restitution made over two years ago and not one step toward accomplishing this has been made.

According to the notes from the meeting Claiborne had, under oath, he plainly stated he had not filed a tax return since 2005!! Wonder why? Possibly he has been hiding from those he needs to make restitution to and be able to finance the carefree lifestyle to which he has become accustomed? All because he follows no laws or rules. He was seen driving a very large, very nice boat in the Destin Harbour this summer that I heard he had bought with a commission he made. I'm sure it's in someone's name other than his. What about those he so badly wants to "get right with"? PLEASE.

Where is the IRS in all this? I thought the only two things in life one HAD to do was pay taxes and die??? Apparently not, if you are a FRAZIER.

It is not illegal to not pay your taxes.

It is illegal not to file your taxes.

I was surprised he admitted under oath that he had not filed taxes in over five years. Not sure if that is common practice, but thought I would put it to the experts out there.

It is easy to play Monday morning quarter back and lay blame without ever knowing the whole story. Jackson, MS is largest small town, where rumors can easily can and usually get out of control. The Frazier family has been known for years for there business accomplishments and investments. Why suddenly when some of their projects not work out are they deemed fraudulent.

Typically when you invest in large stake investments, combined with a sudden decline in the economy sometimes things do not go your way. The business turns exceptionally dirty when big lenders who invested in their projects realize they are not going to work. What people have to understand, this has happened to many business people in the Jackson area who have not recieved half of the same attention they have. Well known families like the Fraziers get an enormous amount of attention compared to others. The reality is when you swim with the sharks sometimes you can get bit. I do not agree, like most of these post lead you to believe, the sharks are the Frazier's. We all have to be responsible for our actions, investments, choices we make. Reading the court declarations and accusations from the creditors or even Plaintiffs lawyers will always be exagerated. In the end the judge will make a final decision.

Instead of anonymous posting as so many well wishers have done, you might be surprised who they really are! Hmmm could it be the lenders? Jealous people? Or just nosey people whose lives are just so plain boring, they have to focus on the life of others.

1:22 So you post anonymously to complain about people posting anonymously? And expect to get taken seriously? Move on, please.....

The spotlight is on the fraziers now because they always demanded it before 1:22. I agree one of the definitions of investments involve risk. I can not believe there is this much pro frazier support out there. Just surprised thats all.

1:22

There is a big difference in a real estate deal not working out and...

- drawing loans from a an LLC that you have partners in and using that money for other purposes
- selling property and not paying the banks for the loans they made on the property
- selling property you own with partners and not telling them...and not giving them their portion of the money
- submitting fabricated documents to banks in order to get money funded on loans
- lying under oath
- creating fictitious companies and bogus bank accounts to funnel money through
- writing bad checks for hundreds of thousands at a pop
- paying personal debts using money from a partnership with others

These types of things are not the "market risks" that real estate investors agree to take on. These are criminal acts.

I was going to sk the same question? Why all the negative posts? Although I know only one of the Fraziers, I have no question about their character and would trust them would my own finances. All the information posted lists the plaintiffs aligations. I would like to see the defense attorneys information. For those of us in the legal field, we always recommend our clients to resist public comments so not to fuel unfounded and unproven alegations. I would recommend the same to you. There are always two sides of the story, and then the truth which shall prevail.

3:44 "For those of us in the legal field," - 1) "going to sk (sic) the same question"; 2) "and would trust them would (sic) my own finances"; 3)"plaintiffs (sic)aligations" (sic); 4) "defense attorneys (sic) information"; 5) "unproven alegations (sic)"; 6) "then the truth which shall prevail".

Did you get a combination GED/JD? Emptying the wastebaskets in a lawyer's (that thing is called an apostrophe, representing the possessive case) office is not what most people mean by "in the legal field".

Although I can't imagine anyone in the legal field who can't spell "allegation" I would at least encourage you to pick one misspelled variation and use it consistently.

I wish both of you would stop going back and forth. If I did not know any better, I would think that there really two people who posted all 23 posts. Just sayin!

Well now, aren't you special Mr. English Major. Some of us have jobs and write when we can. You seem to have alot of times on your hands. I would left this non issue to the courts, but instead I enjoy being the thorn in your side. I sure hope I am the opposite attorney on the case you are suppose to be reviewing right now. Ohh and the spelling! Lets just say after 30 in the legal field I done my share of dictation. So tell me why are you so interested in this case? I told you my connection, how are you making money off of this?

Oh settle down girls...you're both pretty. Can we move on now?

Thank you Rebecca he was being mean to me!

In this country you can sue for just about anything. Mentioned in the headline there is a child support lawsuit against Claiborne. What this fails to mention, is this is the second attempt by the same women to collect money from him. A women who he met years ago, tried to file against him when there is no DNA proof that the child is even his. None! No DNA test was ever done. Infact the recent lawsuit is news because the woman recently moved to MS. She has remarried three times since then, and has refused up till now to allow DNA tests. She is a gold digger, and who only knows how many other guys she has tried to blame as well. Infact the first daddy, rumor has it already adopted the child. Still Claiborne has tried repeated attempts to speak with the women and still she has refused. Stay tuned for the third lawsuit, only after she gets another husband who will bankroll the legal fees. Are none of her husband atleast curious why she is so infatuated with him?

oh please...the word "gold digger" is so.....2010. The operative word now is prostitute. If you marry for money you are a prostitute.
AND, for those out there who can't read big words, I will sum it up...
Ho.

Claiborne went to high school with the lady in question, lived with here for over a year and only quit seeing her after she ended up pregnant at the same time his estranged wife did. Claiborne is the one that has avoided cooperating with the courts in the matter...as evidenced by the warrant issued by the local chancery court.

If you marry for money you are a prostitute.

So is Chip Pickering a male prostitute or does he just appreciate a woman with an ample package?

Even though Pickering has nothing to do with this post, I will stand by my previous statement:

If you marry for money...you a ho girl! or boy...whatever

Next!

OK, let's get back to the Fraziers. Anybody that is defending the Fraziers or has posted a comment favorable to the Fraziers is either a Frazier or close family or somebody that really doesn't even know them.
BECAUSE-- there is not one single former friend or former business partner or former subcontractor or former business aquaintance or former female aquaintance that would post anything favorable. Wake up folks, these guys have screwed everybody. FOR YEARS!! And now it includes their step brother and own Mother.

Even though Pickering has nothing to do with this post, I will stand by my previous statement.

Oh no Sweetie, you can't run from your words. Did Pickering run for money, love or a big rack?

Explain this to me....in Rankin County a man gets arrested in less than a day for stealing the antlers of an 8-point deer. But people who have defrauded partners and banks of millions of dollars over a period of years are still on the on the street living a lavish lifestyle.

Michael Guest, John Emfinger, Bryan, Dan, Rebecca, Greg, Marty, Jacque, Vicky, Dow Yoder...come the hell on. I know you know about this stuff.

Problem is they don't have investigators trained in white-collar crime and by that I don't mean simple embezzlement cases you usually see them prosecuting.

How reassuring. Best we can hope for is a DA that can find a staff capable of handling dead animal parts theft?

Don't know what Chip married for.....don't really care

My kid had his lunch money stolen at school. You think the ADAs can comprehend that complicated of a crime?

And how many DEFAULT judgments are there against the Fraziers? Its not like the Fraziers are fighting in court. There is a simple way for Mr. Frazier to fight that paternity suit: show a DNA test proving he is not daddy. To my knowledge, he has not done that at this point. Big friggin' deal if she was a gold digger. He hasn't denied sleeping with her and no one made his dick get hard. He's a big boy and like all real men, if its his kid, he should own up to it and take care of it instead of running away like a little girl. All he has to do is show she is not his kid instead of using claiming he didn't know or whining its not fair or calling mommy a gold-digger.

As for the other real estate issues. Sorry but many of of these "problems" took place BEFORE the recession. Take van buren. The F's can claim all day long they were screwed. Doesn't change the fact they kept the money when units were sold AND did not transfer title to the purchases. How Evans-like. That was back in 2003, 2004, 2005. Then Bancorpsouth obtained a non-dischargeable judgement against them in BK court. That means it was approved by a judge who had to make some findings of fact and wasn't just taking the bank's word for it. that was only one transaction. The pattern repeated itself over and over.

The fact is the Fraziers have rarely fought any of the lawsuits filed against them or contested the debts in bankruptcy court but instead have agreed in many cases these were valid debts and by agreeing to the non-dischargable nature of the debts, that some degree of fraud took place.

frankly, the defenses I'm seeing of the fraziers are the same ones I've seen in other fraud cases such as Steadivest and the Evans case. the only things that change are the names.

My company moved to Rankin county to get away from the Hinds county legal system. The Rankin/Madison district is supposed to be the best in the state. So this is the best Mississippi has to offer?

Well, when you have a DA that is more worried about prosecuting Tim Johnson's enemies or making money in the collection business or refuses to prosecute a woman giving a guy a blowjob while driving even if he hits another car and blinds someone for life, what do you expect?

Oh, and doesn't prosecute the largest real estate fraud case in Mississippi history that took place in his own county.

I totally agree the Rankin DA should be prosecuting but... The dude and the deer antilers.... He was speeding on 471 and when the BPD tried to stop him for it he ran. He was not arrested for stealing deer antilers but felony fleeing and the original BPD had no idea about any deer antilers until the RSO told him after it was all over. Dude has a lengthy record also. If dude would have taken his speeding ticket WAPT wouldn't have had near the internet hits... Flippin deer antilers is all WAPT can get out of it.

Did anybody hear about the cow that got hit in Grenada on 55?

We all know that that the 30 year old lawyer at Butler Snow is the source of alot of the information in the Frazier case. An opportunist looking to boost his credibility. Clearly a rain maker who is trying to play the media for his own best interest. Real lawyers earn credibility by his actions not by using the media to slander others.

You think I got all this from a 30 year old lawyer at Butler Snow? This is too funny. I'll let my regulars knock this one out of the ballpark. Still not denying anything I see.

You folks really think that an attorney at BS would hang themselves out here for their future. Even this layman knows that would be a sure fire boot out the door.

Great groundwork KF.

We all know that that the 30 year old lawyer at Butler Snow is the source of alot of the information in the Frazier case. An opportunist looking to boost his credibility.

We know who you are. We've been monitoring by drone your movements and have placed a key logger on your computer. The Black Helicopters have been dispatched. ETA 30 seconds to your location.

Who needs anonymous sources (lawyers or otherwise) in this case? The court papers spell everything out in painful detail.

...a young associate at a law firm passing out info from their files....yeah right. Even DA Guest's crew could conclude that investigation. Such action would surely lead to immediate dismisal and end of legal career before it even started.

Do you think the Frazier's are stupid enough to hide equipment at their hunting camp and or camps with all other members of the camp allowing this. Do you realize the camps they were part of have more prominent Jacksonians than other organizations in town. You actually think the lawyers and doctors in their camps would allow this? Common? Let alone the judges and political elite. The only reason this information hit the tape, is Claiburne's brother had Travelers over a barrel with a wrongful firing lawsuit. Travelers then went on the offensive by going to the media and releasing all this information to dig up dirt. Do you really think all this information just pops up. This is no more than the strong arm tactics that debt collecting organization use on a larger scale. Step one embarass, step two put out false lies, and step three feed it to the public on media outlets. This is not personal Kingfish, I just hope you check your source!

Do you think the Frazier's are stupid enough to hide equipment at their hunting camp and or camps with all other members of the camp allowing this.

Yes. In fact, they did things far stupider than just that. As to whether other members knew or allowed it, I have no idea and don't think it's relevant.

PS: Travelers laying out their factual allegations in a lawsuit is not the same as "going to the media and releasing all this information to dig up dirt." Also, I see that the younger Frazier's wrongful firing lawsuit that you mention had Traveler's "over a barrel" in such a way that he (young Frazier) agreed to a non-dischargeable $5 million judgment in Traveler's favor. Traveler's must have been very, very scared ! !

6:02

It may be stupidity, or hubris. But yes, those guys did hide the stuff at their hunting camp.

Look on page 31 & 32 of the above transcript of his bankrpucty hearing. Claiborne admits that the equiopment is there.

Here it is...straight from the transcript

Q. The various pieces of heavy equipment that are up in Belzoni that are stored at Big Brake Hunting Club -- who owns those?

A. Frazier Construction.

Q. And what about the Kubota tractor in the metal building at Mathena?

A. I'm assuming, Frazier Construction.

Q. Okay. And are those pledged to anybody as collateral, or does anybody have --

A. I don't know.

6:02

Some of these comments are pretty unbelievable, but I think this one takes the cake.

I was going to sk the same question? Why all the negative posts? Although I know only one of the Fraziers, I have no question about their character and would trust them would my own finances.

Ahem ... you might want to read Claiborne's BR hearing transcript. I have no question about their character either, but I came to the opposite conclusion on that subject than you did.

The above transcript is from a hearing on March 11, 2009.

The Traveler's suit shows where Claiborne sold $10,000 of equipment on March 13, 2009 and then deposited the money in his wife's account.

Sounds like Claiborne left the hearing and made a bee line to Belzoni to sell the equipment. Probably wanted to beat Austin to the punch.

The Traveler's suit shows where Claiborne sold $10,000 of equipment on March 13, 2009 and then deposited the money in his wife's account.

... then the wife went on a spending spree to blow all that cash. I get the clear impression that the wives/girlfriends/hangers on as well as the Fraziers all knew that the party was almost over. "Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we shall die."

6:02
Trying to comprehend. Are you insinuating that if you associate with lawyers, doctors, or "prominent Jacksonians," you are less likely to participate in corrupt business practice or insurance fraud?

Hey quick question? I have a bulldozer and a crane I need to store at someones hunting camp. Any takers? I swear it won't stick out. Nobody will notice. Hello wake up out there! You can't hide a bull dozier. This accusation is all bull!

Information to all you well wishers. The case will settle, all this will be over. There will be no criminal charges and the Fraziers will be rich again. Game over thanks for playing. Good to hear from all the poor people once in a while.

Not this time 10:13.

The case may settle, but there will not be a happy ending for the Fraziers. They will be forced to "settle" with their creditors; the business community will finally recognize these bone heads for what they are; Ergon will never partner with them again; and yes, they will work for someone else for the rest of their lives.

No more boats, condos, good looking women, etc. - unless all are provided by their mommie.

10:13

If "being rich again" means having a non-dischargeable $5 million judgment against you (plus interest until it's paid!) I think I prefer remaining a "poor person."

10:27 you do have a point on some of your comments. Unfortunalty though, they are a very wealthy family even without this hicup! Things will change on how business is done, and mistakes they made will no be repeated. I wish them the best! Everybody deserves to be happy. My prayers are with them.

10:27: Or swinging.

to all the dumbasses who think dirt moving equipment sticks out at a hunting camp that has thousands of acres of uh i dont know DIRT wake up. Hunting camps bring in the same equipment every year to repair roads update hunting quality, and simple move dirt. If you have no idea whats going on, SHUT UP!

Would an attorney at BS do something that would jeopardize his job? Would one of the wealthiest attorneys in the country bribe a judge? Would a former prosecuter cut deals to avoid prosecution more than once? Would a local judge risk his career helping Scruggs? Would a Republican 2 time Gov pardon 5 convicted murderers? Would the CEO of one of the biggest tele-com companies in the country located here in Clinton risk his freedom to be corrupt? Would a cop in ridgeland try to destroy evidence and lie under oath? This is an ok story but REALLY????

10:13 and 10:39

If this is just a "hicup" [sic] and they will soon be "rich again," then why did Copeland invoke his 5th Amend rights at his deposition and why has C Frazier not paid his takes in 5 years?

This is a he said she said game. C Frazier claims that they were informed and Travelers says they were not. Let put it this way the 5th amendment right is good way to trip up the lawyer trying to prove a point which they might not agree on. Clearly C Frazier was not aware with everything going on. That is why he claimed the 5th or the I do not know. Think about that maybe he did not know, did that ever come to mind. Why is he not mentioned as much as the others. Although I can speculate, I can't speak for others. None of us can. but take the travelers lawsuit as a written bibke is another not fair either.

did they have any John Deer equipment at the hunting camp.

12:50

This is no "game," and you apparently have no idea why people invoke their 5th Amendment rights. Hint: it's not to "trip up a lawyer" in a civil case.

I respectfully disagree. It is a big game with sore losers who are out to destroy people. i do feel bad for the people who lost their jobs at Travelers over this. But the reality is sometimes loans go bad. They will do what ever they can get the money. they want to connect the mother because she has much more than they need. Goog luck. Maybe you misread, The 5th amendment was not to say something to incriminate. I can I say that i have used it when I just don't want to answer the question. This is not an attck against you, all I am saying is it is not as clear cut as the insurance companys says.

12:50

Probably a disservice to yourself to think your 5th amendment right is the "I do not know" or a tool to "trip up a lawyer"

Loans go bad....is not the same as...checks run through bogus companies or deposited into your wife's bank account.

or the same as selling condos and pocketing the money or buildings behind partners' backs and keeping the money as well.

Let me see, let us count this up:

Bancorp South 1.2 million bucks. Kept money when condos sold instead of paying the bank

Hines lawsuits: Multiple judgments, Sold properties behind partners backs and kept money.

Hughes lawsuit: Had out of wedlock child, refused to acknowledge, did not provide any actual evidence disputing paternity. Judgment in favor of mom.

DUI for Clairborne in 2008.

$3.3 million dollar judgment by Regions.

Travelers $6.4 million DEFAULT judgment against Fraziers in North Mississippi.

Austin signs $5 million judgment against him by Travelers in BK court.

Numerous attorneys stiffed by Fraziers on fees.

Yet its all disgruntled partners, everyone else's fault, just deals gone sour. Yeah, heard same thing in Evans and Steadivest. The defenders need to try again as they usually do not debate specifics and just think everyone is jealous.

Jealous? Why would anyone be jealous of a drunk swinger who steals from half the town? John Gotti had a great lifestyle too but that doesn't mean I was jealous of him. Far from it.

Kingfish 4:49 - That pretty much sums it up. Well said.

2:26 - I hope you get deposed in one of the various Frazier lawsuits so you can learn firsthand the result of invoking your 5th Amendment rights because you want to "trip up the lawyer" or "just don't want to answer the question."

Kingfish-

Your post listing matters is indeed well said. I bet you already know this....but your listeners need to know that the list is only a peek under the covers. There are many other matters (of record) that are in addition to those listed.

7:14, truer words were never spoken.

someone pass the keys and post the (of records)