No real surprise that Mississippi Second District U.S. Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Bolton, voted to certify the nation’s electoral vote. By that act of Congress, the Democratic lawmaker’s party returned to power in the executive branch of the U.S. government in the form of President-elect Joe Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris.
Mississippi’s senior U.S. Sen. Roger Wicker, R-Tupelo, likewise voted to certify the electoral vote, although his party lost the 2020 presidential election in both the popular vote and the electoral vote. The certification vote, coupled with the results of the U.S. Senate runoff elections in Georgia, signaled a shift from Republican control of the Senate to the Democrats.
Wicker worked as hard to support Trump in that election as Thompson worked to support Biden. The election cycle saw Thompson retain his chairmanship of the House Homeland Security Committee while Wicker will lose his Senate Commerce Committee chairmanship and will be the ranking minority party member in the 117th Congress.
As the only Democrat in the state’s congressional delegation, Thompson will wield vast influence over presidential patronage in the state. But that’s another discussion for another day.
The rest of Mississippi’s congressional delegation chose another path. Republicans U.S. Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith and U.S. Reps. Trent Kelly, Michael Guest and Steven Palazzo – all Republicans – voted against certifying the electoral vote results even though all six of Mississippi’s electoral votes were awarded to President Donald Trump.
They weren’t alone. Six senators and 135 GOP congressmen voted the same way.
Each of the Mississippi members issued statements explaining their votes; statements met with praise from Trump’s supporters and denunciations from his opponents. The reaction to those votes was set against the backdrop of a stunning and dangerous act of insurrection at the U.S. Capitol that was stoked by Trump hours before at a Washington, D.C., rally and carried out by protestors wearing Trump campaign gear and carrying his flags.
Five people, including a Capitol policeman, lost their lives in that disgraceful display. The riot at the seat of American democracy embarrassed the United States before the rest of the civilized world – or certainly should have. It reflected the political actions and reactions of what was called in the days before political correctness a “banana republic” – a small, politically unstable country where changes of power are often marked by violence and chaos.
Our nation has been plagued by political division and strife – particularly in the province of presidential politics – for the last 20 years. Some congressional Democrats protested the electoral vote certification of Republican presidents elected in 2000, 2004, and Trump’s win over Hillary Clinton in 2016.
There was never any significant doubt even by the staunchest Republican that once those legal challenges failed, Biden’s election was assured and the certification vote was – as it always is – a constitutional formality. As I wrote back in November, Biden’s inauguration in 2021 was as inevitable as was Trump’s in 2017.
The difference? There was a distinctly different group of people angry after those two campaigns. Many Democrats never accepted Trump’s election in 2016 in the manner they advocated Biden’s 2020 election be accepted. And there’s the rub, as partisan division, rancor, and in some cases abject hatred, endures now as then.
To be clear, Sen. Wicker’s vote to certify the 2020 electoral vote was a vote that showed character, courage, and loyalty to the U.S. Constitution. In casting the vote, Wicker knew the political rain would fall. Thompson likewise followed that path.
What about the other four Mississippi members? Will their vote carry future consequences, or will their votes be like the failed anti-certification votes of Democrats in three presidential elections since 2000?
In the final analysis, politics is and always has been a math exercise. In a state that gave Trump 57.8 percent of the state’s 2016 vote for president and 57.6 percent in the 2020 presidential election, the practical political impact on those four GOP congressional members will likely be negligible – regardless the roiling of social media.
Biden in 2020 got 54,267 more votes than did Hillary Clinton in 2016. But Trump in 2020 got 56,050 more votes here than he got in 2016.
64 comments:
"Sen. Wicker’s vote to certify the 2020 electoral vote was a vote that showed character, courage, and loyalty to the U.S. Constitution. In casting the vote, Wicker knew the political rain would fall."
The only reason that's true is because he is a man of character, courage and loyalty. He got it from his dad. Oh, you left out the part about good humor.
So far as political rain. There's right and there's wrong and the moral analysis trumps (no pun intended) the political analysis.
The real pity is that our other senator and representatives did not follow Senator Wicker's lead.
I was disappointed that Mr. Trump lost the election but less so in the wake of last week's events. Dangerous, stupid, narcissist. He needs to be prosecuted, same as any other citizen. Let him pardon himself, then let's get a test case on a criminal's authority to pardon himself.
Character? He belled up to the powerful lobbyist, which I understand that he might be one soon. Everybody knows there was election fraud on several democrat states not following the state laws or the costitution. Shame, shame.
Run of the mill coward RINO. A loyal member of the oligarchy. Complicit in this coup. Will skip him in future votes.
One can never be a leader if one is required to kiss the ring of another leader. And one who professes to be a leader while kissing the ring of another leader is weak, insecure, and mostly pathetic.
All Cindy H. Smith did was to confirm her status as a mere political cipher, loyal to the "boss" rather than higher principle. Donald Trump sees no reason to deny his personal ambition no matter what. He has demonstrated that fact numerous times. It is time for statesmen to move on and do their jobs. Mr. Trump will survive, just move on Cindy. But she can't.
Sid Salter said: “In the final analysis, politics is and always has been a math exercise.”
Yep, ole Sid is correct; math it is. Which is why the divide and conquer system’s been in place longer than all of us have been alive.
Wicker’s vote was the moral one; but morals and politics don’t mix. A good guess is Wicker won’t be running for re-election and was free to cast the correct vote; for someone not running for re-election.
For those planning to run again, voting no was the correct vote; since, mathematically, there’s enough Republican voters that won’t vote democrat, but will stay home (ole Espy would have been licking his chops if CHS had voted yes).
So, “courage, character and loyalty to the constitution?” We can all seriously doubt that.
"Wicker worked as hard to support Trump in that election as Thompson worked to support Biden."
Lol. So, in other words, Wicker barely even tried.
Who are you talking about, 8:40? Wicker has been kissing Pelosi's ass for years. He should have been history last election and will be at the next.
I've tried in vain to think of anything positive Wicker has initiated during his tenure in D.C. All I can come up with is his running a few announcements in the press of things in which he played no role.
If you have examples, please post a few.
"Everybody knows there was election fraud on several democrat states not following the state laws or the constitution."
thats odd....its been months since the election and after 60 court cases, going all the way up to the supreme court, no evidence of any such fraud has been produced. Elections across the nation, certified by republican and democratic controlled state houses....nothing.
The President, for the last 9 months, has been priming you, telling you that the election, should he lose, would be fraud and you, like a sheep, just followed along. its quite sad. just 7 more days of this nonsense.
Bottom line, Sid Salter looks and has looked the other way for decades while powerful business interests with whom he was/is personal friends knowingly employed illegal aliens. Sid Salter looked the other way for decades while those same business interests used their money to lobby for the continued usage of illegal alien labor and to sidetrack any government and/or political efforts to curtail the usage of illegal alien labor.
Sid Salter occupies NO moral high ground. PERIOD.
"If one allegation fell apart, no worries, there was always another twenty to take its place. And besides, Trumpists could always just move the goalpost. “The Georgia recount will expose massive fraud, will prove that Dominion machines algorithmically switched votes!” When the recount showed that, in fact, the hand count matched the Dominion count, then it was, “We need a second recount. That will expose the fraud”. When the second recount also validated the result, then it was, “Audit the signatures! That’s where the fraud really took place!” When a signature matching audit in Cobb county found no fraud, then it was, “Audit the signature matches in Fulton county. That’s where the fraud is to be found!”
When a judge rejected a lawsuit, it was because he was an “Obama appointee.” When the judge was a Trump appointee, it was because he was a “traitor.”
I could go on like this for a long time, but I won’t. If you believe the election was stolen, I’m probably not going change your mind. Frankly, at this point, I’m not even sure it even matters."
https://johnjalsevac.com/2021/01/12/why-im-so-angry/
CHS should show some back bone and apologize for her role in advancing the President’s lies that led many in her base to become radicalized.
Message to Republicans: If Sid Salter is effusively praising you for something, you are doing it wrong.
This is what is meant by a 'Profile In Courage". I don't always agree with Senator Wicker's positions, but in the time of crisis and peril for America, he stood tall for "We The People" despite our state's wrong-minded politics. Now is the time for all good men and women to come to the aid of their country. That is what Senator Wicker and Rep. Bennie Thompson (with whose positions I also do not always agree) did with this vote. Those who "chose the other path" will not be treated kindly by history. They will stand with those who took the path of nullification and interposition. That was the last time wrong-minded Americans tried to overthrow our government. And that, good readers is not the right side of history. Thank you both for protecting our Constitution, our free and fair elections and our beloved democracy.
Per federal election data in the 2020 election Mike Espy spent $12,320,829.98 while Cindy Hyde-Smith spent $3,385,209.02. Espy outspent Hyde-Smith 3.63 to 1. Espy's margin of loss was larger in 2020 than 2018. Cindy Hyde-Smith will serve until at least 2026.
I thought our elected officials were elected to listen to and do the will of their constituents. Real courage in the Washington arena is doing what they were elected to do on behalf of their constituents - not what they individually think. To think otherwise is to admit that what you are electing are not representatives but rulers.
Think about it.
Let’s remember Trump is 1-60+, trying to prove election fraud. It’s really time to move on from those kind of lies. Republicans have to come to grips with facts, they lost Arizona and Georgia. Both states are growing and votes are concentrating in Urban areas. If Republicans don’t start making inroads with college educated urban voters they are going to lose more elections. Texas will be blue by 2028 if not sooner. As CHS and the others they got themselves in the history books and much like the ones who supported Nixon they will not be cast in a favorable way.
Good for you Cindy. Our Mississippi values of support for the "lost cause" remain intact. We are still M-i-s-s-i-s-s-i-p-p-i. Last of 50.
Wonder how South Carolina went?
@9:50 - they take an oath to the constitution, not to a violent mob. Think about that.
9:50 You assume that every person voting for Trump also supports decertifying the results from other states. Obviously not so. Legislators ARE elected to individually think. Sorry you don't feel that way. Even sorrier that CHS doesn't either.
I can’t stand the idea of complete Democrat control of both houses and The White House, but Wicker did the right thing.
What were the others even thinking?
This flagrant dismissal of the constitutional process is alarming.
If the Electoral College Act of 1877 isn't in accordance with the Constitution, why hasn't Congress repealed it? It isn't like they didn't know it was there; the electors have been challenged in the last 4 Presidential elections.
I’d never vote for anyone who would certify a fraudulent election.
Hey 9:15 That is a great post and thanks for the link----It is refreshing to know there are some sane people out there that see Trump for what he is and always has been.
Those who won’t stand against corruption shall bow before tyranny.
Welcome to the Great Reset aka Agenda 2030
You will own nothing and you will be happy.
@10:48 AM
Adjust your tinfoil hat. Agenda 2030 is nothing more than an effort to empower girls in third world nations and end hunger.
https://sdgs.un.org/2030agenda
The EC college hasn't been repealed by Congress because it would permanently destroy any chance of Republicans holding the Executive Branch again. While its absurdly ridiculous and well beyond its use, short of a 60 member democratic senate, it will never be repealed.
To me it is not unfathomable that the entirety of our corrupt and rotten leadership have stolen the election due to their greed and desire for Chinese favor. They lnow that all of the media is in the pocket of China. All of those who lurk the dank halls of congress know the hollow emptiness of our economy. They know that the best thing for them and their children are to serve Xi Xinping and the Chinese Communist Party. After all, the top echelons of the CCP are literally billionaires. Meanwhile, the wealthiest congress critters are merely multi-millionaires.
Walmart just announced that if you supported the insurrection like Hyde-Smith and our Republican Congressmen did, that they would not make any contributions to them. The rest of Corporate America is doing likewise. Republicans already have a hard time raising money. The Senate 2022 map is very unfavorable to Republicans. I don’t see them holding ground, much less taking it back. The only chance is in the house and more than 100 will face reelection without corporate donations.
"To me it is not unfathomable that the entirety of our corrupt and rotten leadership have stolen the election due to their greed and desire for Chinese favor. They lnow that all of the media is in the pocket of China. All of those who lurk the dank halls of congress know the hollow emptiness of our economy. They know that the best thing for them and their children are to serve Xi Xinping and the Chinese Communist Party. After all, the top echelons of the CCP are literally billionaires. Meanwhile, the wealthiest congress critters are merely multi-millionaires."
See this is why we need to repeal the 2nd amendment...We have actual crazy people among us that believe this nonsense.
History will record that congress, the supreme court and the military pulled the blinds, turned their backs and slunk out the back door when Lady Liberty was at the front with a fascist blade to her throat, and while our founding documents were set ablaze.
They were ALL in on it.
11:07-
Our corrupt politicians know full well how the Chicoms have enriched the politicians of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the EU with their US dollar trade surplus. Our leaders want in on that action.
China also maintains her sovereignty and status as a pure Chinese ethnostate by allowing less than 1% of immigration a year. China will always belong to the Chinese.
You're a clodpated moron if think the capital riot was anything other than a staged fulfillment of the media's continued promise that there would be civil unrest regardless of who won the election.
The Senate 2022 map is very unfavorable to Republicans.
NOPE.
@11:35,
I agree entirely. The first item on the congressional agenda when the new congress convenes is a full repeal of the 2nd amendment. There is nothing else more important. There is no telling what these desperate terrorists will do. They must be subdued and disarmed immediately.
@11:35
Literally Hunter Biden. Too bad you don’t anything about that because CNN wouldn’t report it here because CNN Asia is widely considered a mouthpiece of the CCP. CNN Asia uses CCP approved pronouns just like they use genderfluid bon-binary ethnically sensitive pronouns here.
...the military, oh yes, where are our minutemen...where are our generals...where are those sworn to protect us...the last line...our last hope...
Because of how Republicans failed to support Trump over this election fraud I won’t be supporting Republicans any longer.
11:44 Just make sure you keep your tinfoil hat on. Word among the "patriots" is that Martians were involved too.
@9:01, I noticed you left out the part that NO evidence has been presented because courts rejected the suits on STANDING, not the merits
What is paramount to understand is that this is not just a cycle of change in party leadership, or a even a change in party leadership via fraud, but an enshrinement of the unverifiable illegitimate voting methods that enabled and will perpetuate fraud.
Thus, our votes are now moot, our elections a farce, and reversal from the path of totalitarian tyranny impossible without war.
I just read on ZH that the National Guard has stationed 2500 soldiers in the US Capitol building. The DC Metro Police announced another 20,000 troops will arrive before the fraudulent inauguration of Joe Biden.
I don’t think it will be enough. 1 million armed patriots are expected to protest.
When you need Jackboots to rule, you are a tyrant.
Wicker and the other RINO's effectively voted for term limits with their vote to certify Biden. His days are numbered.
Every year I feel more and more certain that House of Cards is less of a fictional series, and more accurately rooted in the reality TV-show genre, than Netflix currently credits it as.
@2:07,Can you imagine doing 3 tours fighting terrorists to defend your Country and shortly after returning you are deployed to protect a senile Chinese puppet and a corrupt cowardly legislature?
There was voter fraud in the last presidential election (won by Trump), but I don't recall any outrage by the "patriots."
Not sure why we even bother with presidential elections. Seems like we should simply let Congress decide.
i think the presidency should be determined by fighting gamecocks. Or perhaps by dueling. Whoever thought the rubes and landless laborers deserved a vote must’ve been anarchists.
2:45 The sad thing is that our country has become so unstable that the military needs to be deployed because of idiots storming government buildings like some third world country (regardless of whether the president is an alleged puppet of China or Russia).
@3:52
Imagine being such an effete ninny that you think 20+ unarmed people entering the rotunda waving flags and shouting slogans is a violent mob. Imagine describing the act of them sitting on their seats as “heinous” and imagine calling that little mess “vandalism” that 3 people swept up in a half hour.
The only reason those legislators were so scared is because deep inside they know they are corrupt traitors to the American people. And they caught a glimpse of their greatest fear in the form of an obnoxious unarmed protest. But instead of changing their attitudes, they are doubling down.
8:46 a.m. - you must come from the Chism Strategies office with the political acumn you just expoused. But you got the players backwards. CHS is the one likely to not be running in 2026 when her current term is up while Wicker will most likely be running for reelection in 2024.
Granted, your assumptions are probably coming from a partisan opinion/desire - but they are bad off the mark for reality.
If you disagree, contact me offline and let's wager on the two competing theories. Or if you would rather, just give the basis for your opinion -- other than the vote Wednesday which for both the Senators had nothing to do with their future plans for reelection/retirement.
4:53 PM, I like your “put your money where your mouth is style!” Sounds like you’ve got the inside scoop on Wicker, so please, do fill us in.
The basis for my opinion? Okay, and I will start with CHS.
You said “the vote Wednesday which for both the Senators had nothing to do with their future plans for reelection/retirement.”
Really? So you are telling us CHS sincerely believed the nation’s electoral vote should not have been certified? Seriously?
For the record, I supported Trump early on in the primary while running against the 16 other Republicans, and I voted for him in the general in 2016 & 2020. And while you never say never, I have no plans to ever vote for a Democrat again as long as they are the party that supports abortion up to 8 months & 29 days, and allowing men to go to the damned bathroom with little girls. They have literally lost their F’ing minds and may God have mercy own their pathetic souls.
Hell, after all of the lawlessness we’ve witnessed this past year with Democrats teaming up with marxist leftist commies, I think the USA has gone to absolute hell; so much so that for the first time in my life I am actually ashamed of my country.
And anyone that believes the utter HS that voter fraud is not a part of the Democrats game is extremely ill-informed. Hell, voter fraud has been a part of their strategy since the days of Eleanor Roosevelt, and Democrats even brag about it (just ask Bob Beckel).
But, as much as I hate leftists marxists, and as much we all know Democrats love voter fraud, you’ve got to be able to prove it, and prove the fraud was enough to have stolen the election.
To not certify the the nation’s electoral vote would be the absolute last thing we on the right should want. So, to be clear, I don’t believe there’s any way in hell CHS would have voted the way she did, if she didn’t think it would help with her re-election (or in some other way).
Regarding Wicker, unless something changes, and obviously he does have time to undo the damage (2A maybe), Wicker had better pray to his personal God that a strong opponent doesn’t run against him, because the rednecks on the far right WILL NOT FORGET, and they will chop their damned nose off to spite their face, i.e. vote for any primary challenger, or stay at home and let a Democrat win.
So, my “theory” is, Wicker isn’t running for re-election, or he would have voted the way he needed to vote, in order to get reelected. Because that my anonymous friend, is exactly what politicians do.
#TRUMP2024
Trump lost the election because he's ignorant and can't keep his mouth shut. He has no class and is a bully. I wish he would rent a U-haul and move out of the White House today. Or call Two Men and a Truck. Just get out.
By the way, Trump doesn't give a crap about anybody in Mississippi nor does he care about Mississippi. We are one of the poorest states in the nation, and everybody knows that Trump doesn't associate with poor people. There is nothing here that will hold Trump's interest. But yet, you voted for him. Trust me, Trump will never visit Mississippi again because he will not be running for president in 2024. The way he eats junk food, he will be blessed if he's alive in 2024.
Imagine having the ability to believe in all these whacky conspiracy theories like Q, or the Government is made up of Chinese puppets, or that Hunter Biden flew across the country to drop off his laptop to be repaired by a blind guy and then never came back to get them....
but not being able to believe that a President that has never polled over 50% during his entire term could lose an election. Wild times we live in.
"Stolen Election" - lie
"Fraudulent Election" - lie
"Stuffed Ballot Boxes" - lie
Even Trumps BFF Sen. Lindsey Graham on the Senate floor - "They told me he had proof of 66,000 underage voters in Georgia. I said give me 10. Hadn't gotten 1. They said 8,000 felons voted in AZ, I said give me 10. Hadn't gotten 1."
If you believe the lies, you're too stupid for your own good.
8:15 AM & 9:33 AM, you leftists are surely the smart ones.
Maybe we could require an IQ test for all 535 members of congress. That should work out well for your side, don’t ya think?
10:48, I'm not left of much of anything, perhaps other than you. But, comparatively, I guess you're correct those left of you are the smart ones.
You lefty and righty extremists need to find something else to hang your hats on other than the hatred of each other. One side wants the have-nots placated with "social programs" to keep them in place and the other side wants the have-nots to just disappear from the face of the earth. Neither side has the good of the country at heart. They are both pawns of the uber-rich that control this country that have been riled up to keep at each other to keep their eyes off the real truth. It is really sad that this country has done so much to deteriorate into this crap. I hope that a civil war can be avoided, and that men after God's own heart will rise up to rule this country.
@1:11, you sound like a soy loving cuckhold that just wants to sing kumbaya with the commies and their manchurian candidate.
Behind weapons and wire - inauguration abomination.
1:53 I’ve said it many times, Trump and most politicians care nothing about you and don’t want to know you!
All they want is your support and money.
I suggest get and education, job and take care of your family! Caring about these politicians will get you nothing but an ulcer!
" No real surprise that Mississippi Second District U.S. Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Bolton, voted to certify the nation’s electoral vote."
And there's no real surprise that Sid continues to state the obvious in every weekly column he writes.
This guy hits a home run once every two years. However he is so mundane for the rest of the years.
If one has trouble taking a nap, try to read this guy .
C'mon Sid,
You CAN do better !
1:49, When you insult people by accusing them of eating soy and calling them cuckolds, you give the impression of a 30-year old virgin, living in his parents' garage apartment, and stroking an AR-15 in bed every night as he goes to sleep wearing tighty-whiteys and a wife beater. Not saying that's what you are, but you might want to cool it with the "soy" and "cuckold" routine.
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