Wednesday, September 2, 2020

And the Winner Is....

Update (2:00 PM): The Commission chose the flag posted below. 





Original post: The Flag Commission chooses the flag that will appear on the November ballot.  Watch it live below. 

71 comments:

anonamouse said...

A supposedly needed new flag is not the issue but rather the way this flag change cluster went down. I will vote against every new flag offered for approval.

Anonymous said...

@10:49, it’s definitely a blow to the confederacy and its supporters. Not sure how they will recover.

Anonymous said...

There is no winner here.

Shazam said...

Now if we could only get that level of action on some of real issues keeping our state in last place.

Anonymous said...

No yankee carpet-bagger is going to tell me what flag to fly!

Ole Life on the Farm is pretty laidback said...

Much better choice than the railroad symbol flag. Let move forward & play some football you'all!

What something positive on JJ?

Anonymous said...

I'm absolutely going to show up and vote against any option they put on the ballot. Our two leading legislative eunuchs, Delbert Hosemann and Philip Gunn, got swept up in a wave of white guilt and got rid of the old flag without a real plan for a new one. I didn't have any attachment to the old flag, but I won't be part of bailing out these two dumbasses. Why do we need a flag anyway? And where's all that new industry and investment that was promised when the old flag was cancelled?

Anonymous said...

Bless our hearts...

Anonymous said...

The only losers in this are the confederate racist losers. Listen, you may not be able to overcome your hate. But why doom your children and grandchildren to a future of darkness and hatred like you have allowed to consume your life?

You bigots have lost... Let. It. Go

Anonymous said...

Sounds like they changed it yet again, but on their own. No to the flag. Like the white surrender option better.

Anonymous said...

That’s a strong “no” from me.

Anonymous said...

I will be voting no. What a sham.

Anonymous said...

The new flag designs, including the one that was picked, all sucked. However, each is/was better than the current state flag that was just retired.

For you Lost Cause whiners: you know that it was only a matter of time before the current state flag was changed. Your whining is only amplified by the fact that the change happened during this racially explosive time. But it should have happened 20+ years ago. Blaming Gunn, Reeves, or Hosemann for wanting to go ahead and get this issue settled and off the table is a false narrative. It was going to happen sooner or later.

In the end, I'll probably vote for the replacement flag, as I don't think it matters. It doesn't hurt us abroad like the current flag does. We need to get the issue behind us and move on to things that truly affect people.

Anonymous said...

Did the Mayor of Oxford recuse herself from the flag committee vote since her staff member's design became a finalist?

Anonymous said...

Mississippi cannot get anything right. The old flag was a racist rag that should have been replaced. OK. But decide on a new flag and adopt it. What's so difficult? Now they have this convoluted process that allows everybody who may have a beef, relevant or not, to vote down the choice they have made. Stupid. This is the best way to spend the next twenty years voting on a flag design. It's not that big a deal. Legislature, pick one and move on!

Anonymous said...

That so many of you are against it is not a surprise.

You are against most everything and only follow a few humans you imbue with positive qualities they seldom have except making you feel better about yourselves.

Suggesting an alternative plan or solution that you are " for" requires thought and imagination.

Anonymous said...

Compared to most state flags it's pretty damn good. Nothing is perfect. Let's get it over with. I'll vote for it.

Anonymous said...

My preferred flag was not even considered. I wanted the NASCAR black and white checkered flag. It would have been cool to see the state flag of Mississippi waved at the end of every car race.

I may not vote for this one. Don't like the little yellow orange stripes. Unsure what they even stand for, and have heard no satisfactory explanation. Afraid of things I don't understand.

Go NASCAR Flay proposal! We need you!

Anonymous said...



"No yankee carpet-bagger is going to tell me what flag to fly!"
September 2, 2020 at 11:29 AM

Actually, there's a great idea in that! How about a silkscreen image of Scarlett O'hara throwing red dirt at the Carpetbagger and his floozie, with the words, "That's all of Mississippi you'll ever get!"

The old flag was a symbol of defiance, and I think the new one should be, too. It needs to send a strong and unmistakable "F U !", to all the busybody outsiders meddling in Mississippi's business.

Anonymous said...

https://giphy.com/gifs/piTERt2CEdrLt2WLv0

Anonymous said...

"Wwaaaaahh!"

-Snowflake commenters above who are so sad to have their "I hate dark people" flag gone.

Anonymous said...

Don’t get off track thinking about a freeking flag. Let’s ensure our kids and grandkids get a decent education, and a safe place to live so they can prosper and look after our foolish asses one day.

Too much time and energy spent on nonsense! Let’s be practical and come together and make Mississippi a safe place to live and grow old!

God bless Mississippi and all it citizens. We need each other!

What a flag got to do with it!!! Got to do with it!

Let that flag issue go people.

Anonymous said...

The only winner here is the flag company. They will make millions off the people buying up the old flag before it disappears and will make even more millions from government agencies across the state as they all have to buy new flags for outside and indoor display.

Anonymous said...

I'm not a big fan of this flag, or the other design for that matter, but other than during this extended debate I may have spent five seconds of my life thinking about the state flag. Who cares? It's a state flag.

Anonymous said...

Not voting for either flag that Commission is considering. Ready for old flag to come down. A flag basef on State seal would be a better choice.

Anonymous said...

The proposed look insignificant and out of place compared to the Flags of the other 49 States. The Commission should have at least lookedat the flags of the other48 states.

Anonymous said...

Wouldn't it be nice if our politicians would spend as much time and work improving the education in Ms. as they did to forcing us to find a new flag.

How about little thought about our capital city flushing their toilets straight into our rivers?

Anonymous said...

Forget all these worthless comments about the flag - the winner, the first one to lose (the NFL Shield) and the old one. I was so glad that Dilbert got a chance to get his mug in front of another camera. Mrs. Senator Blount started the meeting explaining that Speaker Gunn, LG Hosemann and Governor Reeves (I think in that order which spoke a lot of her opinions) were invited and all had prior commitments. Gunn and Reeves obviously had enough sense to not show up - but not for Dilbert. Although he couldn't be there in person (and just as Gunn had his buttboy there to speak for him, Hosemann had his friendgirl to do the same) he saw an opportunity to get his dimes worth in. I truly believe he is the only politician that can exceed Jim Hood's race to a camera any and every time he sees one. And his isn't to get his face there as much as it is to be able to impart to all us serfs his extreme wisdom and good guidance that he knows what is best for all of us, and he is the one that can make it happen.

Thanks Dilbert. We appreciated your showing up.

Anonymous said...

Next

Anonymous said...

The version pictured here is not the final version recommended by the Commission. The final version has much wider gold bars and a bigger circle of stars. The version shown here looks good, but the changes they made to the final version make it look terrible.

Anonymous said...

We are idiots if we think replacing a flag will tangibly alter one iota in race relations in this state. Tear down the statues, pull down the flags, re name the streets....if that alleviates some of whitey's guilt fine...but it aint gonna change anything. We are so naive to think it will. "Protestors" will be out rioting at the next white cop- black thug shooting that happens- regardless of what stupid symbolic measures we take to "prove" to the world that we aren't a bunch of racists hiding behind every tree just waiting to jump out and beat down the black man.

Anonymous said...

For all of you who don't like the proposed flag design, not to worry: I'm hearing rumblings that there are many inside / outside our State who view the magnolia itself as a symbol of "antebellum" times, and thus, consider it to be a racist symbol (I shit you not!) Therefore, even if enough people vote to adopt this design as our new State flag, when we go through the process of getting rid of it and selecting our NEXT flag, maybe you can get something you like better at that point (or, maybe even the next time.....)

You didn't think the process through which we're going was going to put an end to the argument, did you?

Anonymous said...

@1:32 yes it’s all a conspiracy for the big flag industry

Anonymous said...

For the record, I am a conservative and a "don't bend to outside forces." Having said that, I am glad the legislature changed it. They had the INTELLECTUAL HONESTY to see the flag for what it WAS, past tense for all of you Chris McKKKlanielites, a symbol of hatred, period!

That damn thing was never going to be fashionable again, ever. So lets quit looking like a bunch of knuckle dragging sister screwing hillbilles and come up with something that does not make ALL of us look stupid. That is what the other flag did. Prove me wrong.

Anonymous said...

Like it or not, the old flag is gone . . . and it ain't coming back.

I didn't like it either, but it's a fact.
No one that posts on JJ can do one thing about it.

It was inevitable.

The Mississippi flag would eventually be replaced, I just didn't think it would happen so fast.

I wasn't thrilled about any of the designs myself, but I'll take this one any day over the "Captain America Shield".

The one chosen is really not a bad design . . . (as State Flags go).








Anonymous said...

" I'm hearing rumblings that there are many inside / outside our State who view the magnolia itself as a symbol of "antebellum" times, and thus, consider it to be a racist symbol (I shit you not!) "

Who cares.
Let em' rumble.

Such people may need mental help.

We just got rid of a nod to a Provisional Confederate States of America Battle Flag and replaced it with a candy ass flower.

And now a damn flower is racist ?


Anonymous said...

Lot of North East Jacksonians that comment on this site who are diametrically opposed politically got butthurt on this decision between the railroad and mennace flag. The Nicknarians are now in control, trust funders. And it is your own damn fault.

Anonymous said...

The first vote was 8 to 1. Who was the lone vote. Haven't seen that.

Anonymous said...

My, my, my, how the turn has wormed.

Anonymous said...

4:23, I havent seen the recorded vote - the video above stopped short of the vote and I haven't found it anywhere else, yet. (Can't believe that Mrs. Senator Blount) would want to hide the video that she somehow gets to control, but maybe..)

I would bet that it was Gunn's guy - he wanted to change it to 20 stars rather than 20 plus the award for being good to everybody --- the gold star. He also wanted to put the IGWT inside the circle rather than part of it. He tried one last time to get the stars rearranged and lost, so my bet is on him. He was sent with a mission from his boss and failed; what can we say. Guess Delbert won this Shootout At The Museums over Gunn.

Anonymous said...

I will take the high road. I will vote for this flag. This flag does not make or break this state. We have bigger issues. I don't want the media making us out to be what they already think we are. Let's move on.

Anonymous said...

Flag changed. Rednecks the same.

Anonymous said...

"Blue" for Confederate Infantry cuffs, collars and other uniform facings.
"Red" for Confederate artillery cuffs, collars and other uniform facings.
"Yellow/Gold" for Confederate Cavalry cuffs, collars and other uniform facings.

Yeah . . . I guess I can live with this flag.

Anonymous said...

It is flying at the Old Capitol right now. And looks kind of cool.

Anonymous said...

Several weeks ago one of the flag members(a white female) during one of the meetings claimed the magnolia tree/flower was racist according to some folks. The left is never satisfied.

Anonymous said...

Just say no to prposed flag. It is too Antebellum. It was time for old Flag to go. But this flag looks inferior to the State Flags of the other 49 States.Some Romantics may like it, but it is too Old South.

Anonymous said...

3:18 PM
What fun it must be to be a Democrat larping as a conservative.

Anonymous said...

Actually, you can fly any flag you want, including the Confederate flag. There is no law penalizing you for that, and this new one (for which I will vote YES), is just the official state flag. Hopefully, this will put all this flag fighting behind us, and we can focus on getting off the bottom ranking of most everything that really matters.

Anonymous said...

The final choice is good enough. I will support it. It was way past time to shed the old flag. Legislature would have been smarter to allow two choices on the ballot - that way a new flag with majority support would be assured.

As for the racist symbolism of the magnolia, what do we make of the "Magnolia Bar Association."

Anonymous said...

"As for the racist symbolism of the magnolia, what do we make of the "Magnolia Bar Association."

That's the best response thus far.

Liberal heads are probably exploding now.
(At least those Libs that know what the "Magnolia Bar Association") is .

You are the winner 5:49 !


Anonymous said...

Why do we need a flag at all? Are we a college team who needs a mascot? I could give a rats ass for any of it. I salute the American flag, like you all should do. Or let’s go back in time and pretend we are plantation owners who take a bath once a week and have a dirty ass because of no toilet paper. No deodorant, no good food, no soap..... yep

Anonymous said...

to 1:11....you say its all about defiance? hahahhahhaahhahahah i don't see the rednecks like you defying the billions of dollars of federal money pumped into this state. you want that as bad as rhett wanted scarlett.

Anonymous said...

good point 5:59

Anonymous said...

I don’t mind the flag, but it looks like it was designed by a 5th grader using clip art. Maybe we could have a nice flag designed by an adult designer based on this concept.

Anonymous said...

Let MS Vote .com
Make a choice by getting the designs on the ballot

Anonymous said...

Anyone who knows Mississippi history knows how the magnolia is used as the symbol of the white elite from the Old South, this flag is just a subliminal perpetuation of the cis-hetero, white supremacist ruling class in the state.

Anonymous said...

Very nice looking flag. I’ll go vote in 5 different counties for it..:)

And, not that anyone ask but let’s take a look at some TRUE history:
1) Honest Abe never personally owned slaves. Some of his family
did but not him.

2) Mississippi’s main reason for leaving the Union was over slavery NOT
over “states rights” as a lot of us Mississippians were taught growing
up. If u get a copy of the letter which the Mississippi govt leaders sent to
the folks in DC, over the reasons Mississippi was going to succeed, it
SPECIFICALLY mentions the continued need to have slaves for labor purposes.

3) I was told by a tour guide 25+ years ago when me and others were walking
the property on Mississippi coast where Jefferson Davis lived, after he had returned
from living in Canada for few years after the war, that he had BOUGHT that nice
property and decided to retire there. Well, if what I learned few months ago
is correct, that’s 100% FALSE. Upon further review, JD and his wife became friends
with a lady who owned the property. And, over a period of few years, he convinced the
lady to CUT HER ONLY sister out of her “will” concerning Inheriting the property and
to “will it” to JD’s family!! I grew up in rural North/Central Miss and my family and friends
would have a name for someone who did what JD did here...”WHITE TRASH”...!

4) Totally opposite of what an upper 60’s yr old tour guide at Vicksburg battle field told my son’s
5th grade class, on a field trip 12 yrs ago of which I was a chaperone, slaves never actually “fought”
for the south although there were a few photos (taken in Louisiana) of them in uniform while sitting
or standing by confederate soldiers. The soldiers were making them feel important by allowing them
to have their photos taken. There’s documentation of Gen Lee having discussed with some leaders
of the south, 3-4 months before the south surrendered, about whether to make slaves take up arms and
become actual soldiers. They decided against it. The slaves helped at times with “supply lines” but
didn’t actually fight for south.

I’ve always been a history nut and I like my history to be TRUE.

Anonymous said...

I was not sure if I was going to vote in the upcoming election. The way this flag fiasco was crammed down our throats changed my mind. I will vote no to all flags. It is not that I like the old one, it is the fact they are changing it without giving us a say in it. This will establish a precedent which allows the omnipotent legislature to run our lives from now on.

Hookah said...

Do we really trust God?

Anonymous said...

Commission conducts informal poll and then votes for the losing flag. Genius.

Anonymous said...

7:07 ....FOR THE WIN!

Green Acres said...

I'm glad the old flag is gone, don't much like the proposed new one, but will vote yes in hopes of ending the flag issue once and for all, although I'm pretty sure the ACLU will have heartburn over "in God we trust".

The idea that magnolia flowers are racist is absurd but you can't please everyone, ever.

Anonymous said...

I stared at this flag for awhile. Initially I thought, well that's interesting and then it hit me. This is a flag designed by a committee. It looks like it. Way too busy, why the motto underneath the goofy looking magnolia? One or the other. Too many colored bars of different widths distract the viewer

Remember your heritage and the good stuff. Start all over and KISS

I vote NO

Anonymous said...

This flag is growing on me. Saw a photo of it on a flag pole and it looks great.

Anonymous said...

" this flag is just a subliminal perpetuation of the cis-hetero "

Pray tell us . . . what in the world is a cis-hetero ?

Anonymous said...

It could be much worse.

I'll vote yes.

( just to move on to more important issues).

Anonymous said...

I will vote for this flag but if it fails and we never have a flag that is ok with me because no matter how many of you knash your teeth and stomp your feet the 1894 racist flag will never come back, ever!!

Anonymous said...

Big improvement over the Confederate battle emblem. I will proudly vote yes.

Anonymous said...

@7:50

1) Ok, Abe may have never "personally" owned slaves, but I do not believe RE Lee did either, he only oversaw slaves of an estate of which he was an executor, subject to court supervision. I believe they were inherited from George Washington on his wife's side. US Grant also supervised slaves.

2) The deep south had grown apart from the industrialized north from nearly the start. The "Declaration of Causes" was written by 5 convention delegates and was not voted on, unlike the Succession Ordinance, which was voted on and contains no mention of slavery. Slavery could not have been outlawed without a constitutional amendment passing 3/4 of the states. In 1860 there were 15 slave states, meaning either 45 free states would be needed to pass an amendment or slave owning states would need to vote to ban slavery. There was no real threat to slavery, except for the few who wished to take their slaves to western territories, which there was never going to be much desire to do anyway. The South had less population than the north, so had less representation in the US House. There were more free states being added than slave, so they had less representation in the US Senate. The final straw was when a regional political party, who was not even on the ballot in most of the South, won the presidential election, effectively shutting the South out of representative power. However, like "they'll take our guns", "slavery" was a much more effective rallying cry for succession.

3. No idea on that one. He did informally adopt a black child. It was informal as many states did not have adoption statutes at the time.

4. Holt Collier was a famous black Mississippi slave who fought for the South. I'm sure others did as well. While there may have been a national prohibition on the practice, there were bound to be exceptions. Also, the 1st Louisiana Native Guard was made exclusively of free blacks and fought in defense of New Orleans.

The North was hardly as noble as now reported or the South as evil as now believed.

Anonymous said...

A flag won't save Mississippi from itself. It is still going to be Missippi.

Anonymous said...

"The North was hardly as noble as now reported or the South as evil as now believed." True, but they never celebrated and promoted white supremacy like Mississippi still does today.

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