Monday, September 22, 2014

Madison County lawsuit: student posting nude pics of fellow student online is protected free speech.

A Madison County family filed a lawsuit against the Madison County School District in U.S. District Court last week after their son was expelled from Germantown High School earlier this year.  The complaint states a female student sent a nude picture of herself to "one or more" students via their cellphones.  The plaintiffs state the school expelled their son for posting the picture online while at school and assigned him to the Academic Options Center. They argue the district violated his rights to free speech and freedom from cruel and unusual punishment.  


The complaint states:

On or about January 15, 2014 a female student who attended Germantown High School took a nude photograph of herself using a cellphone which she then sent by way of text message to one or more students who attended the high school.  One of the students who received the text message containing the nude selfie forwarded a copy to J.B., the minor plaintiff.

On or about January 27, 2014, J.B., using his home computer while at his home established an Instagram page which he entitled "Germantown Whores".  The following day, January 28, 2014, J.B. was attending class at Germantown High School and during the break from one of his classes, he uploaded a copy of the nude photograph of the female student to the Instagram Page entitled "Germantown Whores.

Shortly after J.B. posted the nude selfie... the administrators... determined that J.B. was the student who had posted the photograph.  Mr. Ted Poore, principal at the high school, suspended J.B. immediately pending a disciplinary hearing with a recommendation that J.B. be expelled from Germantown High School for one year and placed at the Academic Options Center, which is the Madison County alternative school, through December 2014.  J.B. was not permitted to return to Germantown High School after January 28, 2014. 

The complaint also states the parents hired an attorney and appealed the decision to the school board. The Madison County School Board rejected their appeal and expelled J.B. from GHS until the end of 2014.  J.B. currently attends the alternative school in Canton.

The plaintiffs complain that the district does not make available to J.B. the courses he took at GHS such as JROTC and Spanish.  They also allege the quality of the education and instruction is lower at AOC than it is at GHS.  Young J.B. apparently got into a fight his first week at AOC. He allegedly did not report the "assault" to anyone as he feared "retribution".

The plaintiffs argue that

 "J.B'.s" publishing a nude photograph to an Instagram page, was not specifically prohibited by school board policies nor was it listed in the student handbook for which a student could be disciplined.    J.B. exercised his right under the First Amendment to the expression of free speech for which he was expelled in violation of his constitutional rights.(Emphasis added. p.7)

In the process of punishing J.B. for exercising his First Amendment right to free speech, MCSD expelled him for a period of one year which violated his right to be free from excessive and cruel and unusual punishment guaranteed to him  by the Eight Amendment....

The complaint seeks $200,000 in actual damages, $200,000 in punitive damages, costs, and attorney's fees.   The plaintiffs also charge the district violates the No Child Left Behind Act by providing an inferior education at the alternative school.  The plaintiffs request an injunction that "orders the defendant to provide to the students" at the AOC "the same curriculum offered in other schools of the district".  Attorney John W. Christopher represents the plaintiffs.   More details are posted below in the complaint.


78 comments:

Anonymous said...

Exhibit A that there are too many attorneys in Mississippi.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if the picture was of a minor? If so does that give a free pass to post pixs of minors on the internet?
Jeez, I hope not!

Anonymous said...

"We're ashamed to share our names, as we should be, having raised a kid who posts 'Germantown Whores' online, but PAY US!"

Anonymous said...

what is a "next friend?"

Anonymous said...

11:03--what about a step further. can the student who posted the pic on the "germantown whores" page be charged with distribution of child pornography?

Anonymous said...

Lost in the previous comments is the fact that somebody's idiot daughter is sending naked pictures of herself to multiple people. Apparently the instagram page the idiot boy created is pretty accurate. Too much technology.

Anonymous said...

If only we had fully funded MAEP......

Anonymous said...

Too much technology...too much "selfie" mentality, and it's not just teens doing it. I actually know a self-absorbed female thirtysomething successful business owner who thinks it's okay to send pics of her surgically-enhanced breasts to guys in hopes of attracting dating interest.

Then there is the thirtysomething ex-boyfriend of my own adult daughter who thought sending penis pics to someone he met online was a good idea. Busted.

Anonymous said...

If I'm not mistaken, John Christopher represents the Canton City Schools system.

And I happen to know the big-firm douchebags from Adams and Reese who represent MCS. I hope Christopher lights them up.

Anonymous said...

Hopefully, this lawsuit will cause the appropriate authorities to review the case, and to then charge 'JB' with some of the more serious offenses he committed by posting a nude photo (I assume he committed some sort of fraud in violating 'terms of service', by pretending to be eighteen-or-over. That's just for starters. The age of the depicted female is important, too.).

And I hope that the female student labeled "whore" by JB's Instagram page has obtained the services of an attorney, in order to sue JB for SLANDER (or whatever term applies).

Anyone remember all the trouble Stewart Irby got into, for simply sending a photoshopped image of a female minor in a bikini? And Irby did NOT exhibit malicious intent, by making the image public, and labeling it 'WHORE'.

I'm thinking that JB ought to be facing criminal charges, and that the Principal should have involved the proper authorities from the beginning. Maybe JB's status as a member of JROTC saved him?

As for JB's parents... and JB's 'academic career'... Maybe if they weren't broke losers (I'm just guessing, here), they could afford private schools (or supplementary private classes) for their budding genius and "future leader". And whatever happened to SUMMER SCHOOL?

Most terrifying to me is the thought that JB was enrolled in JROTC... and that he would be considered eligible for such a program after his actions. No such person (in my opinion) should be allowed to become an officer in the military (or an officer in ANYTHING, for that matter).

I doubt that JB's parents have "a pot or a window" - otherwise they'd have had their precious baby in a private school, instead of allowing him to be placed at the mercy no-telling-what, in the 'Alternative School'. But the girl publicly labeled by JB as a 'Whore',in my opinion, should be getting whatever they DO have. Part of their future wages, perhaps?

If anyone should be hitting the Ghetto Jackpot, and walking off with hundreds of thousands in punitive damages, then it should be the female publicly (deliberately and with forethought, even...) labeled 'Whore'.

Anonymous said...

There has to be a way to complain about McDaniel and his fundraising efforts in this story.

Anonymous said...

50 years ago -- we'd have just written her name and number on the bathroom wall.

Pittpanther said...

So, a student receives nude pics of a fellow student. And instead of immediately trying to b*ng the heck out of her for the next year (which your typical horny teen would do), he posts the pics to a web page and calls her a whore.

Real smart decision there, junior.

So now he gets to spend a year with some REAL tough guys. Hope he makes it out with all his teeth, and his virtue, intact.

Anonymous said...


Looks like the C-L is busy reading Jackson Jambalaya today.

Anonymous said...

We can not fix stupid. The boy was trying to be funny with his comments about a picture he had recieved from someone else. However, I think the young lady who took the nude photo of herself inititated all this. What is her punishment for being stupid in public? Once this young lady put her picture out there, it automatically goes out to the world. Should the young man be punished for his comments? Certainly, but to what extent? He is being punished for being young and immature in the decision he made, maybe a lighter sentence for him and the young lady should be expelled for very bad judgement.

Anonymous said...

How about alternative dispute resolution. Put JB in a room with the girl's father, close the door and wait twenty minutes. If JB makes it out alive let him return to school.

Anonymous said...

It pisses me off in these comments when I see that people think she should be expelled..... HELL NO. He is so in the wrong here that he should have criminal charges against him. The era of "slut shaming" needs to stop. When was it so goddamn wrong to love your body and trust someone? All of you southern shut-ins need to get the stick out of your ass and realize how seriously screwed up this is to blame anyone but him. The school was completely in the right with there decision and maybe even a little too nice on him.

Anonymous said...

Im trying to figure out why this kid wasn't arrested for child porn. You post pics of naked underage kids on the internet your supposed to be arrested.

Anonymous said...

Why is everyone blaming the male student? It never would have happened if the female student would have kept her "nekkidness" to herself.

Anonymous said...

1) The 'terms of service' agreement for Facebook requires an age of 13 or over, not 18. Don't know about Instagram.

2) Where was Constitutional Clayton when this was going on? He is the state's resident expert on the laws regarding posted internet photos of someone against their will.

3) Before summer I learned about a "JPS Hos" web site that contained comments; don't know about photos.

4) Are these really the standards set by the Germantown JROTC program? Who runs it, and are they proud of themselves?

5) "If only we had fully funded MAEP...... " I cry copious tears for the wealthiest county/school district in the state too.

6) Someone should tell this future Nobel laureate and his "next friend"/enabler that school policy contains no specific prohibition on putting their junk in a meat grinder and turning it on. Help clean up the gene pool in MadCo.

Anonymous said...

The girl was only loving her body and being trusting of someone? ROFLMAO Oh yeah, she is very virtuous.

Anonymous said...

11:51:

"And I happen to know the big-firm douchebags from Adams and Reese who represent MCS. I hope Christopher lights them up."

i know those slugs up there too and likewise hope they flame-out good! probably all products of common-core....

Anonymous said...

Just curious, if the facts were reversed and the boy sent pictures of his junk to the girl and she posted them online, would the girl be expelled/prosecuted as most here want for the boy, or would the boy be expelled for "harrasment"? I have no doubt the boy would be facing punishment in that case as well.

Anonymous said...

Hey 2:06 -- she sent these pictures out to "one or MORE students" -- at what point does it stop becoming an artistic expression of self, and become SOLICITATION????

Anonymous said...

I don't believe that the boy involved should be punished more than the girl. Just as the girl made bad decisions to send naked photos out publicly, the boy posted them. The right thing to do here is equally punish the girl for sending out nude photos because last I checked the boy is a minor, too. If any of us sent a nude photo to a minor it would be illegal & we should also hold our minor daughters to that same standard. I don't think the parents are out for money, it would be an easy fix if the district would just #1 provide the same oh ishme to across the board for all involved, #2 at least allow him to go to a decent school somewhere else in the district or #3 let him go back to Germantown.

Anonymous said...

Agreed 4:20...It would be different MAYBE if it was between her & her boyfriend but clearly it went beyond that.

Anonymous said...

I am offended @ the language used above. This is not the first time I have seen such language on this blog. Unfortunately some cannot express themselves without profanity. I am far from a prude, but there is no point in subjecting readers to such language. I will no longer review this blog.they need to edit & screen comments closer.

Anonymous said...

@ September 22, 2014 at 11:53 AM

You really should be talking to your teenage daughter about sending nude photos to one or more boys at school than ranting on the internets.

Pittpanther said...

To 11:53am...

You keep saying that Junior should be going to private school instead of alternative school. Are private schools so hard up and desperate that they will take kids in the middle of a school year? And will take kids that have serious disciplinary actions pending against them?

What private school would that be? JA? Prep? St Andrews (Ha!)? Maybe one of the remaining segregation academies are hurting for money and will take anyone at anytime?

Anonymous said...

In my opinion, the girl is as much at fault as the boy.

Anonymous said...

I will no longer review this blog.they need to edit & screen comments closer.

Goodbye Anonymous. We won't miss you and if you decide to come back we won't notice nor give a damn.

Kingfish said...

Kids that were texting it around got in trouble and in house suspension from what I understand.

Our young ward here apparently was the only one to post the pic online in social media.

As for the free speech argument, disgusting. Think about what he is arguing. Someone posting a picture for the world to see of an underage girl who is nude is protected by free speech.

Anonymous said...

This lawsuit should leave the DA no choice but to arrest any and all those involved with posting nude pics of a minor on a social website with disseminating child pornography. And WTF is wrong with JB parents. They should be whoppin his ass being a dumbass. But I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. The girl is another matter.

Anonymous said...

My question is somewhat different. Why is this being handled by the school? What did this have to do with the school other than that the girl and the boy were both students there?

The girl posted nekkid pictures of her young maiden body on text messages to her 'very closest friends'. For what purpose, we don't know.

The boy received it from one of his friends. Why the original receipent of the picture decided to forward it to his good friends, we don't know.

Young JB decided to post it online - and yes, he did reference the school. Is that what the school is upset about - they were mentioned in the post about the Germantown whores?

Other than that, the actions were all done by a bunch of kids. But why does the school district think they are the arbitors of punishment? Either this is a crime - by JB or by the girl, or by the boy that sent it to JB, or by all - and should be handled by those in charge of prosecuting crimes. Not by the school system that wants to become parentious locous.

Anonymous said...

Receiving nudes, sharing nudes and suing for something ridiculous in order to avoid responsibility? What's new? Just seems like standard procedure to me for greedy, trashy white people.

Anonymous said...

Hey KF. Can you find out when or if the DA is prosecuting young JB for child porn? Thanks

Anonymous said...

um, @8:47 PM..."greedy, trashy white people"? What? I guess it stands to argue that "ghetto slutty black people" step right up and accept responsibility for their vulgar behavior? Right? no lawyers? right? You probably should put your crack pipe down for a while.

Cicero said...

"Parentious locous"??? Seven-forty-two, were you trying to be funny? I was nodding in agreement with you, for the most part, until you popped out that howler. It's *in loco parentis*.

Anonymous said...

Not sure anyone else has noticed this, but Instagram has a growing number of younger users (some as young as age 10), because their parents think it's "safer" than Facebook.

Anonymous said...

I don't want the unauthorized distribution of " selfies" sent on a phone to become " free speech" anymore than I want a conversation that was illegally wiretapped to appear in a newspaper.

The difference between the boy's stupidity and that of other students is in the distribution method. So, his punishment was worse. The others suffered consequences as well.

But, it's not just the adaptation of laws to 21st century realities that is of concern.

What is disturbing to me is that the boy's parents are escalating and exacerbating the predictably stupid actions of teens.

Stupid teen behavior is a teaching moment just as is a 2 year old's temper tantrum.

This boy's parents are condoning his bad decision and bad behavior.

They may think they are challenging the school's punishment, but instead they are teaching him to expect those in authority to always make decisions in his interest and that he has no responsibility for the consequences of his actions.

And, they are teaching him that any female who displays a nude body part ( I'm assuming the girl's arms aren't long enough for a full body shot ...not that that would matter)is automatically a " whore". That is like teaching a male in the Middle East that any female showing her face and hair is a " whore" as well. What females must cover is cultural. For all we know this girl's parents come from a culture where beach nudeness is common or she could have been eroticized as a child ( look it up). So, this boy isn't being taught to be slow to judge without adequate information.

They are teaching him, also, that they will see to it that the world revolves around him. It won't and it doesn't and they can't make it so always. Some time in the future they will either get weary of rescuing him or will no longer be around to rescue him.

I couldn't help but notice " the fight" in the " new" school wasn't their son's fault either.














Anonymous said...

It's true in the old days, something would have been written on bathroom walls.
In my school, if caught, that meant being expelled for both vandalism and ungentlemanly conduct.
Indeed, several boys were expelled for an incident that took place off campus when those boys took advantage of a girl's poor decision.
My parents and those of my friends, sat us down and told us that we were not to add to the troubles of those involved by sticking our noses in their business...that this was for the adults to work out.
The incident was kept out of the news. It was gossiped about but still, a few years later, the girl went on to win a beauty queen crown and has led a good life. The boys learned a good lesson and all turned out well for them .

I doubt that would be possible these days.

Anonymous said...

I believe what we're overlooking is the core problem --- all that has been discussed has merits, HOWEVER --- the girl shared her body with multiple people -- if she does not value or respect herself, why should others? If she had no problem sharing with others, why would/should we have a problem with the boys sharing?

When we hand open ended television viewing to 5 year olds, 7 year olds have cell phones with no limits, 9 year olds are on Facebook and the internet with no boundaries, and by 13 they're sharing photos of themselves.....should we as a society be surprised. Poor, lazy parenting -- easier to plug them in, than plug ourselves in and do the hard work. Dads should be building self-esteem in their daughters -- where "sharing" doesn't occur and young men know there are consequences from Fathers, for their actions -- and Moms should be demanding respect from their sons, where disparaging or disrespecting women is not tolerated. Does it take work -- YEP!!! Are parents up to it????? Don't know!

Anonymous said...

"When was it so goddamn wrong to love your body and trust someone?"

Hey EInstein - "someone" is a singular pronoun, not plural. She sent it to numerous "someones" - hardly a private act.

11:48 - People who post here frequently can't express themselves in English - don't expect many Latin scholars here.

I assume the school got involved because this off-campus circus seriously disrupted the educational atmosphere in school once word got out, which probably took all of 5 seconds to reach the entire student body. This is probably covered under some rather vague "morals" or "Moral terpitude" clause in the student handbook.

And KF - I believe a state Supreme Court last week upheld the overturning of a conviction for distributing child porn (or posting a link to it) as protected free speech. Might have been Texas.

Anonymous said...

8:09 am Just because a teenage girl ( not an adult) hasn't learned self-respect doesn't mean we shouldn't teach our teenage sons to be gentlemen instead of hooligans!

As a parent I didn't " hand" anything you list over to my children!

But, that there were bad parents didn't deter me from teaching my children that as a family, we expect higher standards of behavior!

This nonsense discussion of the girl's virtue or lack thereof, is a bad excuse. It's no different from any " I was provoked" excuse! That's why we end up with the Rice video! We aren't teaching our children self-control and how to behave in a civilized manner in WORD and deed!

No one can make you do something you don't want to do! You may have all sorts of valid reasons to not stand up for principles that matter but you have no excuse other than physical self defense to attack another. Civilized people aren't crude just because someone else was crude first. If you " defend" yourself with the bad behavior of others coming first, then you become what you claim to despise!

Anonymous said...

9:57 --- you didn't answer the core question -- how did this begin??? Lack of parental control on all fronts. That starts at birth -- not at 13. No one is defending the actions of either the boys or the girl --- but you need to be honest with yourself -- the girl set herself up for this, or at least her parents did sadly. The boys -- well, they are clearly at fault also ---- based on lack of parental guidance from their parents (note my post which states specifically that boys need to be taught respect for women from birth).

Whether you like it or not -- we're creating a double standard -- we're allowing our girls the "freedom" to express themselves", while the boys are being punished for sharing the girls "expressive nature". Einstein -“with every action there's an equal opposite reaction, with every problem theres a solution just a matter of taking action”. Many parents (probably not you) are not taking action and working on the front end, which reduces this type of issue on the back end.

I go back to the core issue -- parental involvement. It makes a difference. EVERY PARENT should be working on teaching their children (1) self-respect, (2) respect for others, and (3) BOUNDARIES of acceptable social and moral behavior. I reared 3 children (now twenty-somethings and all successful) -- sometimes absolutes are much more important than relativism ( which equals it's not wrong because you're 13 or 15, male or female, she took the pictures, daddy didn't love me, or the fight broke out because of the school). Wrong is wrong. Tough to teach -- tougher to live out.

Anonymous said...

First of all, those of you...yes all of you...that are using this little boys initials should be ashamed. If anyone were to blast this little girls name or even her initials on here you would be hypocritical & say how dare we call out the "victim". I am not saying the boy is innocent but what I am saying is neither is the girl. Maybe her crime wasn't as bad but it was still wrong to send pornogrpahic photos of herself to several people. I think someone above made a good point that if anyone else would have sent nude photos to teenage boys they would be in trouble. As a matter of fact, had this boy not acted on stupid teenage impulses (Yes he is a boy and yes teenagers don't always make the best decisions) ALL the parents of the boys that received these photos could have just as well complained & gotten the little girl in trouble. Yet, just because it was taken a step further now suddenly she is innocent? No, I think not.

For those that keep talking about bad parenting...shame on you. Whether you know these parents or not...the things that our children do don't always reflect on our parenting. Does our parenting make a big difference, absolutely but it isn't the sole factor that our children's actions are based on. I know mothers who gave their children everything, they grew up in good Christian homes & had perfectly normal children but one chose to commit suicide. Blaming these parents/their parenting on this little boys decision is like telling the other mother (mentioned in previous sentence) that it is "her" fault that her son killed himself!

I am a full believer in that if you do the crime you pay the time; however, I think the time sentence should be fair. Why expel someone for being a teenager & dumb because of it? If you have/had teenagers you know they can be dumb. I think to send him to this over school was a little harsh. Suspend him? Absolutely. Warn him (if it was his first offense at this school) that this is it? Absolutely. Suspend others involved for a shorter period? Sure. Remove privileges, maybe even JROTC? Sure. Expel him to a school with other kids who have made way worse decisions & where academically isn't as good as the school his parents chose the district for? Definite no.

Gomorrah's Watchdog said...

The parenthetical bottom line here, however, is Kingfish's angst over not being to obtain and post the picture on his website.

He delights in that sort of thing, ya know, as evidenced by his boob contests and videos of Mrs. America being charged with DUI. If he thought he could get under the radar posting a pic of this 'nubile virgin', he'd be slobberin' at the opportunity.

And so as to not absolve most of the rest of you, you'd sit up half the night waiting to view it.

Anonymous said...

Why are people saying the girl sent the picture to multiple people? The lawsuit, which is just one side anyway, alleges that she sent it to "one or more" people. Assuming that the lawyer is trying to present his client in the best light, that means she sent it to one person. He then sent it to his buddies and his client knows that, but he is trying to make light of his disclosure by saying that others had it, too.

I'm not justifying the fact that this girl should have known better - whether it was 1 or 100, but does anyone else not think that's what happened? My wife read the "one or more" in the paper and immediately said the same - she sent it to one and he sent it to many. Why else would they word it that way?

Anonymous said...

She couldn't possibly have seen a news clip, saw something on the internet, or copy-catted an actress or entertainer that gave her the idea.

Anonymous said...

11:10 am I did answer you, you just didn't like the answer.

You seem not to understand that girls and boys develop differently. Hormones affect them differently, and their brain growth during this period is different. That's science, not my opinion.

Teenage girls can be drama queens, teenage boys are obsessed with sex. This is not news to me and shouldn't be to you!

What you are missing entirely still is, that just because behavior is expected at different ages, that doesn't mean the behaviors should be ignored by parents or other authority.

You missed also, that the school is likely to not only know all the children and be the least biased. For all you know, his punishment was based not JUST on this incident but prior incidents as well.

And, if you imagine that all consequences from even the same bad behavior will be the same and teach your son that, you are not preparing him for the real world.

It is far better for a teenager to learn those hard consequences than for him to learn as an adult where the consequences are far more serious than expulsion.

Life is not fair and learning to anticipate that consequences could be unfair is part of becoming a mature adult.

Now, rather than an event limited to the community, the parents have insured that everyone far outside the community will " choose up sides". The names will be known in time...not published perhaps, but whispered. The parents have risked the long term consequences being far worse than an expulsion.

I don't have to know these parents to know they are making a terrible mistake. There's enough literature on teenagers and child development and child rearing to back me up.

If you had children to have more people to love you, you've missed the point. If you think you are suppose to be your child's champion rather than teach them to be a champion, you've missed the point. And, ironically, in time, they will not love you for not giving them the skills they need to succeed in life. You are teaching them "blame" and one day, you'll be the easiest target of blame!






Anonymous said...

"First of all, those of you...yes all of you...that are using this little boys initials should be ashamed."

Hey stupid - "little boy" (your hilarious description) "JB"'s parents are the ones who chose to make his initials part of A PUBLIC DOCUMENT. The school district did not make his initials public.

2:15 I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. She sent it to multiple people per the lawsuit - get someone else to read it to you (slowly, if that helps).

2:05 - you're proof there are more horse's asses in the world than horses. KF has never posted a photo of an underage girl on this site (nor does anyone but you have any suspicion he'd want to do it so much he'd risk jail time for doing so). The major deal here is the kerfuffle over two underage and oversexed jackasses tying up the school district and court system with their foolishness, costing the MadCo taxpayers beucoups bucks.

Anonymous said...

4:04 - I taught high school for 12 years, and my husband and I reared 3 successful children. Your point??

In reading your response, it is clearly chaotic and unclear. I'm not sure what you were trying to impart to all of us.....but I"m sure there was a message in there somewhere. I believe I can attest that all actions have consequences, and that you teach a child from the day it is born. Can you digest your response into a few sentences?

Anonymous said...

4:22. I don't think it matters, but 2:15 is right - the lawsuit says that she sent the photo to "one or more" students. I'm not sure why you think that means more than one, but I'm not sure why 2:15 thinks that matters.

Anonymous said...

4:49 pm Perhaps if I number the points for you, you'll find it less " chaotic" than ordinary paragraphs. If you scroll back to the suit and the comments, you'll see I addressed issues already raised. My comments weren't made in a vacuum!

1.The school should have authority as they know the young people and are the least biased. That they have authority over what impacts their ability to teach shouldn't be ( and wasn't in the past) limited to a handbook. Flexibility is necessary.

2. None of us would like our reputations forever tainted by our decisions during adolescence. This law suit creates a permanent record of this incident and insures the gossip and information will spread.

3. The notion that people are " provoked" into bad behavior is most often a poor excuse for a lack of self-control. Children need to learn self-control.

4. Certain behaviors are typical in children as they develop but are dysfunctional in adults. This recent notion that dismissing the need for consequences because the behavior is " normal in an age group" is wrong.

5. People are making sweeping judgments based on little knowledge of the facts. Minding one's own business is rarely a bad idea.

6. To assume a female a " whore" or " lacking in virtue" because of one incident of exposure is stupid. At one point, showing an ankle was scandalous!

7. Calling a teenage girl a " whore", even if she were one, is not the appropriate response to a young person in trouble. She should have consequences and help!

8. This should be a teachable moment for all the kids involved and a lawsuit is not conducive to anything other than having the community " choose up sides".

I'm glad your children are doing well. Mine are also extremely successful by any measure. My credentials working with children and teaching trump yours. In the course of my experience, however, there were many mothers without formal education or career experience who would have grasped points 1-8 simply from having been parented well themselves.


Anonymous said...

My credentials working with children and teaching trump yours.

4:49 PM was specific. Be specific Granny.

Anonymous said...

7:24 -- you seem like a person who likes to have the last word. Consider yourself having the last word. 10....9....8...7....6.....5.....4.....3...

Anonymous said...

I'm not sure how much truth this holds, but a GHS student told me that the reason the school took action was because he did it at school. He accessed a website which he was not supposed to access at school during class time when he should not have been on his phone.

Anonymous said...

A nude picture of an underage girl is not protected under the 1st Amendment. If this is allowed to stand, I would be greatly shocked. The girl and the boy need to be reprimanded. So be it!

Anonymous said...

A nude picture of an underage girl is not protected under the 1st Amendment. If this is allowed to stand, I would be greatly shocked. The girl and the boy need to be reprimanded. So be it!

Anonymous said...

A nude picture of an underage girl is not protected under the 1st amendment. The girl and the boy need to be punished. The girl for posting nude pics of herself and the boy for sending it.
Kudos for expelling the boy for using school computers to transmit child pornography. Not so kudos for allowing the girl and the others involved with a slap on the wrist.

Gomorrah's Watchdog said...

4:22.....I'm 2:05. I'm the one who said Kingfish would be slobbering at the bit to post IF HE COULD GET AWAY WITH IT. Clearly you are able to understand the phrase 'if he could get under the radar'. Since when are you the gatekeeper here to advise us on what he has posted and has never posted? I'm fully aware of the legalities of such; however, my point stands.

To all you harpies who are preaching to the choir about imparting notions of personal responsibility to our children, we all already know that, so save your stupid little lectures.

It is a fact that no matter what attempts parents make at educting children on morality, at least 90% of them will, at one time or another ignore those admonitions and do what the hell they want to do. They all do. WE all did. And, as technology evolves, deviation from the morality path becomes easier and more appetizing. Live with it.

This is a conundrum for us all; however, painting these children as criminals is not the answer. Fifty years ago one of us would round up a bunch of our buddies to peep in the girls' gym if we saw a girl in a state of undress through a crack in the wall or door. What the hell is the difference other than now there is a digital footprint to be tracked?

What day and time has Ronnie McGehee set for the hanging?

Anonymous said...

"4:22.....I'm 2:05."

Do I come to you with my problems
(thanks to Bob Dylan for that one)

Anonymous said...

The lawsuit is saying the parents don't think their son is getting the same quality of education at the Alternative School. Well, DUH.....it's a punishment. There are no extra-curricular classes offered at most alternative schools, but you will get you basic core classes. He will have to spend an extra semester or year in high school in order to finish. That's a whole lot better than spending up to 40 years in jail for posting a picture of an underage girl on the internet.

Anonymous said...

Granny has taught at the college level in two subjects and at the post graduate level in one . I've taught kindergarten, junior high and high school as well. It totals twice as long as the teacher with 12 years experience and my other two subjects are subjects in which she had no more than one semester to get a teaching certificate.


The places I've worked, taught and done research are nationally recognized.

But, since I know you are threatened by me,8:51 am, let me really scare you. I was also a cheerleader and beauty queen and can cook gourmet meals.

10:42 am, peer group influence is strongest in the teenage years and some rebellion is not only expected but healthy.
Nevertheless, the parental values instilled before adolescence matter and 90% is a stat you invented out of whole cloth . It's not supported by any research.

And, guess what , there's tons of valid research on how children develop and what works in terms of parenting!

The computer has changed everything ! Even a granny know this!


Anonymous said...

at 7:24 AM...and 4;30 PM

You must have a shallow pool of friends, and/or folks who can stand to be around you. Your verbose opinions and attempt to validate yourself doesn't go over well here, just as it wouldn't in the workplace or social settings. In the event that's not you posting again as Watchdog 10:42, y'all should hook-up and share intellect... to feed off each other.

Anonymous said...

4:30 - prove it!

Anonymous said...

4:30 -- I am the person you chose to disparage (the 12 year high school teacher), in your self-absorbed rant.

First and foremost, I am reticent to even condescend to respond to you, however, there are times, when people need to be "enlightened". In your case, let me assure you that I do understand the "issues".........and I"m not quite the person you have described. Beyond teaching high school, I have:

1. Taught college courses in Germany, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Georgia.

2. I have an advanced degree in Education (Master's) with an undergraduate degree in Business. I am endorsed in 5 different areas - none of which required just a one semester course. Thesis: SAME SEX EDUCATION: A STATISTICAL APPROACH -- which I assure you does incorporate hormones, testing, segregation of sexes and success academically.

3. I taught in an "all girls environment" for years, and DO understand the difference in hormones with males/females. I understand the mind-set of this young girl sadly -- I saw it played out over and over, and in this case, she holds blame, along with the young man.

4. My immediate family of 6 holds 1 Ph.D., 5 Master's Degrees, 6 B.S. Degrees, and 1 M.D. We understand school -- trust me.

5. I have taught my children to be humble, and keep their own counsel -- hence my reticence to even respond to your discourse. In this case, you were arrogant, and more importantly you come across as self-absorbed and intolerant. Note those who have responded to you, beyond me.

6. SInce beauty comes from within and is more about WHO you are and HOW you treat others, rather than physical attractiveness -- I will not even respond to the "cheerleader, beauty queen, gourmet cook" statement, but let it suffice that we all wish you luck, as you cheer yourself on, whipping up a gourmet meal, while preening in the mirror. Do you like to eat alone?

Lesson here -- Never, Ever make broad sweeping statements about people you do not know. You never know who you're talking to............respect everyone........a lesson I taught my students and my children.

Anonymous said...

Thank you 8:29

Anonymous said...

Granny. Self-absorbed rant. That sums it up. She leaves those droppings here every day.

Anonymous said...

9:25 AM-"I'm not sure how much truth this holds, but a GHS student told me that the reason the school took action was because he did it at school. He accessed a website which he was not supposed to access at school during class time when he should not have been on his phone."

This seems to be the major point that is lost on this case. There was more than one kid doing more than one dumb thing, but he was caught on campus.

Anonymous said...

I thought it was very clear that he was punished because his act was performed at school. JPS makes parents and children in their district sign an agreement to not use JPS's computers for anything other than what's directed by teachers. On the other hand, teenagers are so stupid. I know because I was once a teenager myself.

Anonymous said...

First of all if anyone is stupid enough, teens or adults, to take a nudey of themself, they have opened themselves up for free reign of public posting. What's wrong with folks? The accountability should be on the girl ...... that's what's wrong with our new culture ..... always trying to blame others. In addition if they are trying to use the reasoning of free speech of the guy for distributing it, then what about the cochran mom deal? So basically if she wasn't in a nursing home that would have been ok to share her pic also? Help me understand the difference in these posting distribution of sharings.

Anonymous said...

Nothing gets the backwards bible belt foaming at the mouth faster then the insinuation of dirty fithy awful sex.

Anonymous said...

Poor form in sharing the picture online, but there would be nothing to share if these kids and adults who live in the moment would think for about the repercussions of their actions. I have a teenager and tell her practical everyday..once you put it out there, it can't be removed no matter how fast she might turn around and delete it. I

am just glad I did not have to deal with these issues growing up. There was no evidence of my actions, and if I was accused it was just deny, deny, deny... No iphone footage or pics to compete with My biggest issue was trying to avoid JPD super cop Bruce Jenkins while drinking underage in the parking lot of Katmando's ? and Krystal.

Jack Boot Much? said...

Hold on! Is it being suggested that the level of guilt rises because 'he' accessed a site on 'his phone' that 'he wasn't supposed to'? Since when does a school or anyone else control what someone is supposed to NOT access?

Unless it's child porn, we can access what the hell we want to unless the school owned the computer (phone in this case). Mind control is not the right of a school system, if that's what they are hanging their hat on.

Morality and the legal issue here aside, nobody can control what you think or access on your own computer. If so, it would be a rule violation to look into your billfold at a nekkid picture of your friend girl.

Anonymous said...

8:29 am You started the " disparaging" with suggesting my remarks were " chaotic". The person who called me "granny" (obviously he calls others " granny" as well) asked for my credentials ( I still " win" as if it matters and it doesn't ). I just hope the others he called " granny" adore the appellation as much as I do.

I can only say that I'm stunned that as teacher , at any level, you don't think the schools/colleges/universities should be able to exercise authority over what takes place on their campus. Did you have no faith in the institutions where you taught and no knowledge of which students were troubled?

I'm even more surprised that you have such a poor opinion and such little compassion for the females you have taught.

I'm aware of same sex education research. Indeed, I lived in a time when it was common for the sexes to be educationally segregated so girls learned they , too, could excel at math, science and sports and they didn't compete with one another for attention from boys. The downside is rather obvious to me, as well, since I lived it. The adult world is not segregated.

In writing about Same Sex Education, I can't understand why you didn't find research on how sexual/physical abuse and the eroticism of children, particularly girls, in our society impacts their behaviors in and out of a classroom.

I'm surprised you didn't see research on how the high divorce rate is affecting girls if their fathers are physically or emotionally absent from their lives. Did you not read anything on what message a pre-teen girl gets when their father abandons his family for a more physically attractive and sexually overt female?

Did you by any chance see the research on how ( and which) learning disabilities affect the sexual behaviors of boys and girls differently?

I would suggest to you that both of us raised our children in a stable environment where the parents were well educated and where education was valued. I would suggest to you that we understood how to instill confidence and values.

I taught mine not only self -respect but respect for others. I taught them not to add to another person's troubles but to tend to focus on being the best person they could be. I taught them to think " Is it kind? Is it true? Is it helpful?". I taught them that those who behaved badly were usually very unhappy or troubled in some way we couldn't know without knowing them personally. I taught them to respect and accept that authority is necessary in a society and systems are imperfect.

It is your conclusion that this young girl( along with apparently other girls on the website) deserved to be branded a " whore" that astounds me.

Did you not have daughters as well as sons? Do you believe all these girls got paid for sex and not a one could have possibly had a boy "claim" to have gotten " lucky" when he didn't?

Everything I learned tells me that both of these young people are in serious need of responsible, caring adults in their lives instead of publicity and the judicial system!















Anonymous said...

6:27 pm

He was at school!

If you know of a school where cell phones are to be even " ON" without special permission , let me know!

Anonymous said...

Jeez - before I even read it I knew 10:03 was from the long-winded blowhard known as Granny, who still hasn't learned about brevity, "soul of wit", and how the persuade people and win arguments by using concise, focused, pertinent statements before people lose attention.

PS My kids' school allows them to use cell phones during breaks, lunch, etc; just not during classes. No one said the porn poster uploaded it during a class.


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