Jackson Jambalaya

Well why did the Repubs not offer any of these this time?

So let's see, here we have a plan that would cause many tens of millions of Americans to lose their current plans by ending employer tax incentives, advocates tax credits to encourage the purchase of individual coverage on the open market, provides no actual concrete details on dealing with preexisting conditions, and supports the expansion of low-premium, high-deductible plans. In other words, it's got most of what conservatives dislike about Obamacare, except for the individual mandate (and the "Obama" part).

I suppose it's technically "a plan", though, and that you did not actually specify it had to be a GOOD plan.

Look on the bright side EAB. It is only going to take 51 votes in the next Senate to override a Presidential veto of the Obamacare repeal now that Harry has let the cat out of the bag!

@4:53 Harry Reid did not let any GOP plan come up for a vote kinda like he wouldn't allow a vote on the budget for 4 years. Harry runs the senate so what he says goes.

So...I lose my employer sponsored health care plan...for which I pay a portion (at least) of the cost...for which my EMPLOYER got the tax break...and in its place, I get the opportunity to buy whatever coverage is best for ME and and the tax credit comes to ME to offset the cost, or, at least, a portion of it. Sounds to me like I come out even...or maybe even ahead of the game. Where's the problem???

Well the problem, of course, 6:10 PM is that you don't know what is best for you, yourself. You are simple not capable of making decisions in your best interest.

Senator McCain lost the 2008 Presidential election because the American people voted in the President, just as they did again in 2012. Why waste time talking about some defeated candidate's health care plan? The Affordable Care Act is the law of the land and is going nowhere. It amazes me how some people can't seem to accept this reality. It's time to move on.

10:29

What reality? A law that was enacted before lawmakers even knew want it contained? Remember, they had to pass the bill before they could know what was in it (Pelosi). A law that was sold as not affecting you if you already have health insurance and like it? (Obama) It has been an utter failure in every aspect.

Why accept failure?

It has nothing to do with healthcare. It's a financial and informational grab. It's insurance, not healthcare.

It's a social experiment aligned at removing another liberty for the "common good". Forcing individuals to purchase something they might not have otherwise purchased on the statistical chance they might utilize the healthcare system and not be able to afford it. Instead of creating safety nets for those types of needs, it's a corral for everyone and forces them into the same pen.

Not the idea of freedom, liberty that this country was founded and supposedly exists on.

So, forgive those that don't take your ignorant attitude and align the efficacy of an idea with a popularity contest as if the idea was the basis for votes in the contest.

There are a myriad of immigration laws on the books that are purposefully not being enforced but those laws are "the law of the land". Everytime I hear someone use that phrase in defense of Obamacare I immediately recognize that I'm dealing with the brain dead.

The McCain plan has some of the necessary working parts of a national health plan with the price transparency, technology, coordination of care, etc. The promise of 'federalism' with over $200B new money has parallels to ACA. The difficulty would still be to get the state insurance commissioners, agents, companies, and providers to bend to unknowns.
Unknowns being loss of current utilization rates, new payment systems, reporting requirements, new clienteles, health benchmarks, treatment teams, hospital policy shifts, etc. In short, the same difficulties that Obamacare is confronting now.

Here's the problem...
The current plan was supposed to have state involvement ( the exchanges). It , too, was supposed to increase competition in the healthcare/insurance market and the employer tax credit was shifted to a penalty.
The problems with Obamacare is much the same as what is presented above...it sounded good in generalities but for any plan , it is the SPECIFICS of how it's implemented.

And, the McCain plan is again, employer based.

You are not erasing the burden to the system of caring for the uninsured or inadequately insured.

There's no mention of dealing with ceilings and pre-existing conditions ( some of which occurred with job change or change in marital status).

I am NOT interested in how we got to this mess or who's to blame.

I want those of you who want to just erase Obamacare by overriding a veto to THINK and tell me what will be the consequences to having NO system or sets of laws on the books to replace it?

I'm all for looking at any and all previous differences in past GOP plans though I suspect they aren't all that far off from Dole's first plan or what Romney did in MASS.

The thing is the GOP should be looking at specific modifications in what we are currently stuck with having. Or, you can replace it with a plan AS detailed in implementation.

The problem IS that the Democrats didn't think about consequences and implementation and to my horror, neither is the GOP!

The troll wants y'all to "THINK". ROFLMAO

Yes...no doubt thinking rather than reacting in political goose step is harder and not the stuff of websites.

Is " troll" the new word for " patriot" as some of us actually care more about the well being of our Nation than in having our political egos stroked!

Obama and the Democrats have said for years the Republicans and conservatives had no plan. Had nothing to offer. So I'm calling the bluff and posting them. You can't have it both ways, say there were no other plans offered by opposition and then say don't present them because Obamacare is the law of the land.

1) "I want those of you who want to just erase Obamacare by overriding a veto to THINK and tell me what will be the consequences to having NO system or sets of laws on the books to replace it?"

Uh, we'd return to a system where 85% of the people were satisfied with their health care situation? Not perfect, but not the disaster that is heading our way.

2) "Well the problem, of course, 6:10 PM is that you don't know what is best for you, yourself. You are simple not capable of making decisions in your best interest."

I hope you forget the tag or the smiley face to indicate this was high sarcasm. OTOH you may be a deadly serious Democrat who does believe no one is capable of making decisions in his or her own best interest.

3) "The Affordable Care Act is the law of the land and is going nowhere. It amazes me how some people can't seem to accept this reality. It's time to move on."

I agree the ACA is going nowwhere, but probably not in the way you intended to say it.

As far as this Law of the Land BS - it's even harder to pass a Consitutional Amendment than a law, yet people didn't accept that it was "time to move on" after Prohibition became a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT, and fortunately the 21st Amendment was passed.