The story of Secret Service and law enforcement incompetence gets even worse. The Beaver Countian reported:
A Beaver County police officer warned a command center of seeing a man with a rangefinder before former President Donald Trump was shot on Saturday. The officer had also warned the man was scoping out the roof of the building he was stationed in as a counter-sniper, and that the man returned with a backpack before ultimately scaling the building....
BeaverCountian.com spoke with multiple local law enforcement sources about security provided by agencies from Beaver, Butler, and Washington counties during Saturday's rally. They claim a lack of manpower and "extremely poor planning" put the former president's life in grave danger... Rest of article.
Parkland, Uvalde.........
39 comments:
It's almost like some people want him dead.....
it's one of two things. but, i'm going with a combination of the two.
it's either incredible incompetence, for which everyone involved should be fired. or, it was on purpose, for which everyone involved should be fired, then charged, then tried, then imprisoned for the rest of their lives.
you can't fuck something up this important unless you are incredibly incompetent, or doing it on purpose.
heads should roll either way, but they won't. and that should be enough to convince you which of the two it was.
The New York Post is reporting “Local counter-sniper team was inside building where Trump shooter climbed on the roof and opened fire: sources”
There are two important facts everyone should know:
Mississippi Democrat Bennie Thompson and other powerful Democrats recently sent the message loud and clear of what they wanted when trying to strip Trump’s secret service protection.
And, there’s a 0% chance someone with a rifle could get within 130 yards of Obama or Biden. 0%.
Ulvade had an active shooter who had already killed while they waited.
One police officer saw the shooter but had no weapon in hand while the shooter already aimed with his finger on the trigger. All he could have done was die.
We do not know whether one more "pop" would have drawn the attention of the Secret Service snipers quick enough.
The local Bethel law enforcement knew the Secret Service was better trained and had better "gear" as well as snipers already on roofs.
Unlike the Ulvade law enforcement on the scene, the job local law enforcement for a village of just over 30000 citizen enforcement came to do that day was crowd control outside the perimeter controlled by the Secret Service. They didn't have their protective gear on.
The job of the Secret Service is to die to protect a President or former President. Police are allowed to take defensive action when taking action when there is no chance to neutralize the shooter.
Can we relearn patience to wait for sufficient information before casting blame?
Can the media stop speculating and second guessing and wait for confirmed facts? That used to be the standard before publishing the news.
“ And just like that… the left was happy someone had an AR 15!”
No more naivety.
Hanlon's razor
Textbook failure analysis.
A small detail is overlooked. Then an additional item is missed.
An assumption is made. And finally the ol' "that's not my job" shows up and BOOM a colossal f--k up occurs.
Typical human error.
CNBC is reporting Joe Biden said “time to put Trump in the bulls-eye” remark was mistake but asks “How do you talk about the threat to democracy, which is real? “Do you just not say anything, because it may incite somebody?”
How stupid (being polite by not using the R word) does one have to be to believe Joe Biden’s threat to Democracy BS? Really, how stupid do you have to be to believe if Trump is elected there will be no more Democracy? Is the Democrat base really this stupid?
IT WAS A SETUP. If you cannot beat or neutralize an opponent, u kill him. If he had been hit in the temple instead of ear, he would have been dead. Guys, this would have been catastrophic for America. We are having some really dumb and very close calls to destruction. If this rhetoric continues, the probability of something bad happening increases. I do not trust the government nor the people of this country to do the right thing and return to civility. The rulers are clinging to their power and greed while they continue to stir up the ant bed of Americans so we are constantly fighting and losing. Until we wake up and refuse to take the crap they give us and unite, we are doomed as a state and nation. Our poor capital and state is in as much disarray as our country. 🥲
Never underestimate the incompetence of the anything associated with the United States government.
A conservative Congress underfunds critical functions and then blames the agencies (and the sheep always follow and keep electing idiots). See Katrina for reference.
This is not the first instance in recent years that protective services planning of the Secret Service was flawed. Just the first time in 40 years that we have observed a catastrophic failure from a vulnerability being exploited by an active threat. The real wake-up call is that a relatively untrained and unskilled attacker with no support network was able to come so close to achieving his end goal.
You don't have to wait 51 minutes, or 26 minutes in this case, to identify, confront, or kill a deadly threat. Are you remotely suggesting that armed CS teams from locals, in their own staging area, could not engage this kid, and, yes, perhaps get popped? The guy could not mount a guy and do a limited penetration over the top entry and shoot this kid? Or, get shot at and alert CAT to fire and the detail to evac Trump??? 26 minutes, the civilians (all unarmed) yelling that there is a dude with a backpack, scope, rifle, on a line of sight rooftop in a building they are already in, is not enough? Hell, did no one hear the kid on the roof? I guess their pretend USSS earpieces kept them from hearing.
I've crawled enough miles to know that I knew where every other team and entry team member was. I've had enough weapons aimed at me to know it's not rocket science on this.
Again, it's Uvalde. "Back off civilians. We highly trained "operators" are in charge. We've attended weeks, I tell you, weeks and weeks of training after which each day we drank large amounts of beer and partied!"
The thin blue line has put on quite a few pounds. And wasn't that bright of a line to begin with.
I don't blame CAT CS for not firing on the building owned by the local "Sniper" teams outside their secure zone until shots fired. The state and locals messed up, big time. The Service has other things to answer for, but they don't have unlimited resources either.
Local (includes state LEO,not just town and county) were responsible for buildings outside the venue. Local LEO was supposed to have secured the building - including the roof - as will be shown to have been assigned by the SS in their prep planning.
Lack of manpower is a weak excuse - normal process for such events is to 'borrow' from neighboring entities as well as supplementing from state.
Having done advance work for such political rallies can say confidentiality that this building was identified in early stages and would be shocked to learn that Local LEO was assigned to be on that rooftop. The reason the SS sniper waited 20 or so seconds to take out the shooter was due to confirming that the body on that roof was not the assigned SWAT individual
July 16, 2024 at 7:23 AM, you need a few more facts before you go to defending the indefensible.
There was law enforcement from three counties on site Saturday, including one sniper team. That sniper team was set up in the very building the shooter used. If it is true the second sniper team was in that building, why wasn't that team on the roof? The very roof that gave the best location for a sniper shot.
There are professionals, in the security business, some former SS agents, all with law enforcement, or military background, that say there's noway all the mistakes made could be attributed to incompetent decisions. So, what's the answer?
The SS and other federal LE agencies are focused on DEI hiring. This was confirmed in an earlier interview with the SS director. The agents surrounding DJT after shots were fired were clearly heroic, but the DEI agents were too small for that assignment. One couldn't even re-holster her pistol.
Was the lack of adequate staffing part of the problem. Certainly. Was it done on purpose? Likely.
8:54
The democrat base is not stupid at all. They are masters at manipulation, marketing, creating crisis's and lying. Their skillset also includes preying on low IQ individuals and the elite to do their bidding. Do not call them stupid.
But, you certainly may refer to them as immoral and without shame. The love evil, destruction and mayhem. And these are the nice ones.
There will be another attempt allowed/orchestrated.
Let me see, we have an agency of the federal government, that has lied to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on Donald Trump. Lied about Russian collusion with Donald Trump.
The agency lied about a laptop that would have changed the 2020 election in favor of Trump. It also lied about that agency's involvement with the events of 1/6/2021.
Yet, we expect this agency to conduct an honest investigation to reveal the truth concerning the attempted assignation of Trump? Are we complete idiots?
Dr Jill “happened” to be in Pittsburg on Saturday, therefore drawing a lot of SS protection assets away from the Trump rally. Coincidence?
Lady that runs the Secret Service for Biden said she and her department decided it would be unsafe for an agent to go atop the gable roof from which the shooter got his shots off. So she put an agent or officer "inside the building"?
But in fact, Looks like a 3/12 or 4/12 pitch roof, very easy to clamber across or to stand on.
She refuses to step down. So it's DEI or die in Bidenworld.
It's highly possible that the deep state had their fingers in this, but like who ordered the murder of JFK, we will likely never find out. This 20-year old loser was an excellent "useful idiot," and dead men tell no tales.
There are actually few (but greater than zero) tinfoil hat comments here. Fewer than I expected, anyway.
I can’t believe the sumbitch missed.
"She refuses to step down. So it's DEI or die in Bidenworld"
Hey - there were ZERO assassinations at Pepsi all those years she worked for security there.
You can look it up ;-)
How many more ways are people going to try to destroy Trump? It started when Trump decided to run for president. It is still going strong. Now ever killing Trump is not off the table. Hillary tried to destroy Trump. Nothing was done about even when it was proven she and the democratic party were the people who planned the whole Russian scheme. The DOJ and the FBI tried their best to pit Trump in jail for anything they could think of doing. Bennie has tried to get Trump's security detail removed. Now there has been an assignation attempt tried.
What else has the democrat party got planned to stop Trump?
All of you wingnuts who never met a conspiracy theory you didn't embrace should remember two time-tested adages:
• When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.
• Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Government incompetence is enough to explain what happened. You just sound incredibly stupid when you start throwing around conspiracy theories and spouting off about the so-called "deep state."
At 7:23...You mind interpreting this sentence?
"Police are allowed to take defensive action when taking action when there is no chance to neutralize the shooter."
they need to save the short, fat, female SS detail for Benny T and leave the tall, square-jaw chads for guys like President Trump. it was hilarious watching that conoketely ineffective woman try to guard a man twice her size!
@1:46 -
Yeah. That’s what *they* want you to think.
😉
With the democratic hierarchy continually marching to the beat of Trump being an existential threat to democracy. Will trumpeting that Trump was also Hitler, and his supporters Nazis.
It is a wonder the liberal idiots haven't shot someone before now. It is amazing the swiftness with which they change their positions on firearms, when they hold the weapon. Their hypocrisy has no bounds.
Ockham's razor.
Bwahahahahaha…Democrat idiots stupid enough to believe Biden’s, and I quote, “threat to democracy” if Trump is elected call people wingnuts, conspiracy theorist, tin foil hat wearers, etc.
Let’s see how many Democrat idiots dumb enough to believe there will be no democracy if Trump is elected will put their money where their loud mouths are. You have to be special kind of stupid to fall for that scam and I would love to get me some of that duuummmbbb money. Bwahahahahaha
Damn 1247pm...That's the type of comment that can invoke a visit. Too bad for you I grew up with a guy that has been in the FBI for about 15 years now. I'll ask him. You could be a co-conspirator venting your anger or you could just be a sick bastard who has no comprehension what would be happening right now if your buddy could shoot. I'll let him decide.
Kingfish, if I were you, I would report this as well to protect yourself. I will be.
Here's a different take: I can't believe he missed...but it's not because I was hoping for an alternate outcome.
I can't believe he missed because "the single shooter" had every benefit in his favor, except for his target being favored by God and the wind at that very moment.
1. He arrived uninhibited, apparently with a tall ladder and a full rifle setup.
2. Climbed right on top of a building that was surrounded by thousands of people on the grounds and dozens of police and security service inside.
3. Used his rangefinger, bear-crawled over to his perch wearing very dark clothes on a white roof.
4. Total time spent on the roof about 26 min., was discovered by Trump supporters for about 5-7 min at least, only one police officer confronted him but climbed right back down the ladder after having the rifle pointed at him. Every other police officer and secret service agent paid no heed no any pleadings for assistance.
5. In a slow and steady fashion, fired off at least five or six shots at his target of about 150 yds without any obstruction, in his plain view a direct kill shot of the most popular President of all time.
6. Conveniently killed instantly with no efforts to subdue him and learn his motives, means, or connections.
...and to top it off, he had no social media presence, political reputation, friends, enemies, or anyone who knows anything about him whatsoever.
Oh, but he was bullied in school! Case closed!
@10:03 -
Another MAGAt with a YouTube law degree.
No lawyer, just not dumb enough to make comments wishing a president had been killed a few days after shots were taken and hit him. The SS has visited both Bennie and his bitch over her comments, pretty similar to your comments. I showed it to my buddy. Pucker up buttercup. I hope you have nothing else to hide.
So Biden just cancelled his schedule saying he has COVID. Funny thing is look at the UNMASKED Secret Service men Inches away from Joe’s face immediately facing the President. Watch to see if all people Biden came in contact with get COVID. He is a train wreck plain & simple! Stay home Biden. Trump needs no debates as he has already won!
@7:19
You’re obviously not a lawyer, and your imaginary FBI friend could tell you that “I can’t believe he missed” is nowhere near actionable.
I’m reminded yet again why Trump “LOVES THE POORLY EDUCATED.”
Knock yourself out.
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