Monday, March 28, 2022

Propaganda or Truth?

Some Russian propaganda and Biden public relations ineptitude combined to create a false narrative the U.S.A. operated/funded/outsourced biological weapons labs in Ukraine.  Cue up the conspiracy theorists and scientific know-nothings such as Tucker Carlson as they set social media afire with claims the U.S. operated secret bioweapons laps in Ukraine.  Thankfully, National Review's Jim Geraghty dove deep into the weeds and reported there were no such labs in Ukraine: 

When Senator Mark Rubio asked Victoria Nuland the U.S. State Department’s undersecretary for political affairs, “Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?” we all would have been better off if Nuland had accurately and clearly answered, “Ukraine has no biological weapons program, but the country has plenty of laboratories doing public health research that house pathogens that can be dangerous.”

Instead, Nuland answered, “Ukraine has biological-research facilities, which, in fact, we are now quite concerned Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of” — a statement that suspicious minds interpret as an inadvertent admission that Ukraine has a secret biological-weapons program.

As noted Wednesday, a “biological-research facility” is not the same as a biological-weapons-research facility, but a lot of people, inside and outside of the Russian government, would like you to see the two terms as interchangeable. But what’s going on in Ukrainian biological-research facilities is not mysterious or shrouded in secrecy.

One reporter over at the conservative Pajamas Media wrote: " Whether the U.S. calls them “bioresearch labs” or “bioweapons labs” is irrelevant."  Actually, it is relevant but never let facts get in the way of ignorance.  As readers will see, Ukraine has had a history of plagues and thus has somewhat of an interest in preventing them.  The country has naturally occurring anthrax and still suffers outbreaks of tuberculosis.  Mr. Geraghty recounts some Ukrainian infectious disease history:

Ukraine’s port cities have always been centers for travel and trade, with lots of people and ships coming and going, and communicable viruses and disease-infected rats often arrived with them. In 1812, Odessa suffered one of the last catastrophic plague outbreaks in Europe, killing about one in every twelve people.

It is not surprising, then, that Ukraine’s national, state, and local authorities have always had programs studying communicable diseases and viruses and figuring out how to stop or slow their spread. In a thorough research paper on Ukrainian anti-plague programs from 2008, Sonia Ben Ouagrham-Gormley, Alexander Melikishvili, and Raymond Zilinskas of the Monterey Institute of International Studies noted that, “Possibly the first plague epidemic control facility in the world was established in the city in 1886 . . . in 1965, it was renamed the I.I. Mechnikov Odessa Scientific and Research Institute of Viral Diseases and Epidemiology.”

In fact, the I. I. Mechnikov Anti-Plague Research Institute laboratory “was reconstructed and technically updated up to the BSL-3 level through a cooperative agreement between the United States Department of Defense and the Ministry of Health of Ukraine that started in 2005,” and as of 2011, was one of a handful of biosafety-level-three facilities in the country. Ukraine does not have any biosafety-level-four facilities.

 Soviets created additional research facilities, including the Odessa Anti-Plague Station:

Therefore the most important, and dangerous, task for the Odessa AP Station throughout the Soviet era was to catch rats and mice on ships and around the harbor and culture them and their ectoparasites for pathogens. In addition to plague bacteria, over the years the station has 75 recovered bacteria from rodents that cause cholera, tularemia, leptospirosis, and brucellosis. Beyond Odessa, the station was responsible for monitoring the situation related to plague, cholera, anthrax, tularemia, and leptospirosis in the western and northwestern parts of the USSR, although its activities were mainly undertaken in Ukraine and Moldova.

These are good examples of biological research facilities that are full of dangerous and potentially contagious pathogens that are not biological-weapons research or development facilities. (The translation of one of the Mechnikov Institute’s department names makes its work abundantly clear: “Department of Especially Dangerous Bacteria and Virus Research.” That department had six laboratories, five of which had the phrase “especially dangerous” in their names.)...

There is quite a difference between BSL 3 and BSL 4.  The CDC guidelines require showering and changing clothes before entering the lab, the wearing of safety suits, and decontamination upon leaving the lab for BSL 4.  The practices that weren't followed in Wuhan.  BSL 3 research requires PPE, closed-in circulation, eye and hand wash facilities, and two sets of locking and closing doors.  Obviously there is a huge jump in biosafety between the two levels.  CDC definitions of BSL classifications.

Check out the present viral pathogenic state of affairs: 

The Ukrainian State Emergency Service is a civil-defense agency that conducts epidemiological surveillance and investigations of infectious disease outbreaks, monitors food and water supplies, and identifies environmental hazards. “This agency runs 30 laboratories at regional SES centers that perform initial investigations of disease outbreaks.” Ukraine has naturally occurring anthrax, listeriosis, tularemia, brucellosis, cholera, rabies, and rickettsiosis. In 2017, the country suffered a noticeably severe tuberculosis outbreak.

In addition, Ukraine has more than 31 universities with biological laboratories; it is likely that all of them have at least a few samples of potentially dangerous and contagious pathogens.

Let's be honest, more than a few countires in the third world, Asia, and yes, the former Soviet sphere are not exactly known for the same safety standards that exist in the west.  Thus the U.S. partnered with Ukraine to improve safety standards at its biological research labs in 2005. 

In March 4, Alla Mironenko, a virologist and head of the Influenza Laboratory at the Ministry of Health in Kyiv, told the publication The Scientist that her “biggest concern for the lab is that a power outage could compromise the building’s deep freezers that store reagents, samples — careers’ worth of work. ‘If the power goes out, that will ruin everything.’”

As for the notion that there’s something sinister about U.S. funding or cooperation for these laboratories, in 2005, the U.S. government realized it was not a good idea to have all kinds of viruses and bacteria sitting on refrigerated shelves of Ukrainian research facilities with minimal security. The U.S. and Ukraine agreed to expand the Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction program to fund security improvements for pathogens stored at biological research and health facilities in Ukraine — specifically mentioning the Scientific Research Institute of Epidemiology and Hygiene in Lviv, the Ukrainian Scientific Research Anti-Plague Institute in Odessa, and the Central Sanitary Epidemiological Station in Kyiv. The U.S. provided $15 million. (KF: See agreement posted below.). 

It is not the least bit surprising that the U.S. is worried about those labs, nor that the World Health Organization advised Ukraine to destroy high-threat pathogens housed in the country’s public-health laboratories to prevent “any potential spills” that would spread disease among the population. Yes, the Russians could attempt to use the dangerous pathogens in some sort of “false flag” terrorist attack. But it’s even more likely that these Russian troops — poorly trained, poorly briefed, hungry, and dumb enough to fire shells at a nuclear plant — could well accidentally cause an outbreak of a contagious disease.

Is Mr. Geraghty making things up? 

All of this information is on the Internet and in English. People can sit around and speculate that Nuland’s comment accidentally revealed a joint U.S.–Ukrainian secret biological-weapons program, echoing the nonsensical claims of a Russian government that also contends it did not attack Ukraine and that the Ukrainian army is shelling its own cities to make Russia look bad.

Or people can look at what is already known and disclosed about these labs and draw conclusions accordingly.

Unfortunately, Mr. Geraghty has not been invited to appear on any cable news talk shows to discuss this subject.  "Draw conclusions accordingly." 

 

26 comments:

Anonymous said...

Not surprising that a philosemite like KF is taking the side of Klaus Schwab. Thanks to traitors like you, we soon wont even have cheap poultry due to the new strain of bird flu developed in Ukraine and unleashed in Tennessee in accordance with the bug eating plan of the Great Reset. So how many pieces of silver did it take to buy you, Judas?

Anonymous said...

Interesting how long this is to de-bunk a falsehood. Lol, problem is that them labs went up around 2013. They are as real as Ukraine being a Biden money hiding spot. And guess who was Vice Potus in 2013 ? Wait, lemmee guess, that ain't real either. Russia is invading because THEY want to keep their power and Ukraine was beginning to eat into it. With a lot of help from us.

Anonymous said...

Next blog post from Kingfish will exonerate Hunter Biden.
Can’t wait for his hot take!

Anonymous said...

Metabiota. Rosemont Seneca. Hunter Biden. Chris Heinz. All the documents, transactions, money flows, paper trail...it's all an "illusion", a figment of your imagination. @12:15....these morons dont know anything about any Great Reset or Klaus Schwab. They'll call you ugly names if you mention that you've read any of Klaus Schwab's books!

Kingfish said...

You're saying it's false because it's long? Ever heard of being thorough? Go take your ritalin.

Anonymous said...

@Kingfish,
You are summarizing and citing a bunch of mainstream midwit propaganda that (obviously) convinced you. Did you talk to any retired DOD or CDC guys? Did you do any investigation besides a handful of MSM websites? Get a grip!

I can understand the desire to cope with the fact that we are cattle to the elites. And I can understand the desire to build up your social credit. But you will be on the wrong side of history if you take their side

Anonymous said...

@12:15- They want that “impossible” Beyond meat to be cheaper than a chicken thigh.

Anonymous said...

12:36 : Naw man, I am saying THERE ARE LABS in U funded by USA. The long de-bunking can sometimes indicate that someone is trying really hard to lie. Is it ok to be both against Russia and Ukraine KF ? Because I am. I am against BOTH COUNTRIES.

Anonymous said...

Why do we even bother trying to sort out what is truth when it comes to these things in our time ? In 20 years the truth whether true or not will be the truth because we believed it. Hunter and his father have dealings in Ukraine and China . Both Proven. Yet 50 % knowing it's true claim it's false ....just like the laptop. See where i'm going with this ?

Anonymous said...

March 28, 2022 at 12:15 PM, accept it, you are f'ing INSANE! Do they allow you to walk around amongst us?
The rest of you seem to be close behind!
There are others of you conspiracy theorists who seriously believe there is not even a war going on!

Anonymous said...

it's semantics he's arguing. a "dangerous pathogen" is not a weapon, but it can be used as such. It's how it's used that matters and why they are able to perform this research at all. Why are we funding research in or near countries that despise the value's of the west? anyone remember where the anthrax came from during the scare prior to 9/11?

Anonymous said...

1:18 : There is fighting but is it a war ? WW2/WW1 WERE WARS. I see it as a conflict. Two paper tigers being egged on by the rich kid.

Anonymous said...

@1:18 PM
It’s really not hard to figure out that most of the footage being shown is reused from the Russian Federation invasion of Crimea. And a lot of the damage you are seeing on TV was caused by the CIA funded civil unrest that overthrew Poroshenko. You can’t have moss and weeds growing on rubble of a building that just got blown up! You see that in A LOT of CNN footage. Many of these buildings have been rubble for years!

Anonymous said...

@12:15...See! Told you so! Mention "Klaus Schwab" or "Great Reset" and you're "insane". Read any of Klaus Schwab's books and you're a "conspiracy theorist". 1:18 has probably pre-registered for his fourth booster shot. I have a Ben Franklin that says he didnt read the FDA Disclosure To Vaccine Recipients he signed the before his first 3 stabs either.

Burke said...

I always get a kick out of the ability of the King to flick on the kitchen light and send the roaches scurrying around making tiny screechy noises.

But . . . . I'd rather that he not allow posts from the openly anti-Semitic types like 12:15. It's hard to consign such richly stupid comments to the trash bin when the blogger needs the numbers, but that has not deterred KF from doing so on a daily basis. Well, I'll assume that such comments are so wretched that they invoke comparisons with self-immolation.

Anonymous said...

An article in National Review? That's your anti-conspiracy evidence? Bwahahahaha.

Anonymous said...

I don't care about Russia.
I don't care about Ukraine.

Anonymous said...

1. A secret plot!!!!!

2. A huge group of conspirators. Somehow, thousands and thousands of brainless voiceless minions toil away on this dastardly plot, undetected, except by Cletus!!!!!!!!!!

3. See all my ‘evidence’ that supports the conspiracy theory. You see!!!!!

4. Nothing happens by accident and that there are no coincidences; nothing is as it appears and everything is connected!!!!!


Bwhahahahaha. You FOOLS!!!!! See!!!!

Anonymous said...

Birds aren’t real

Anonymous said...

Kingfish, thank you.

Anonymous said...

Geez, some of y’all have had your minds melted in the last two years. I’m sure a couple of you probably took a Megabus to Dallas to witness the resurrection of JFK Jr. a few months ago.

Anonymous said...

When we let go of morality, we let go of the truth. No one knows what is true anymore.

Anonymous said...

The USA also has naturally occurring anthrax, listeriosis, tularemia, brucellosis, cholera, rabies and rickettsiosis. So what? I remember when the US Army's biological weapons lab near Tooele, Utah, accidently released anthrax and killed a bunch of sheep. Anthrax lives in soil. The last person to die of rabies in the US was a child from Mississippi.

Histrionic conspiracists are very entertaining.

Anonymous said...

that particular strain of anthrax came from a lab in maryland.
https://www.npr.org/2011/02/15/93170200/timeline-how-the-anthrax-terror-unfolded
and that scare was arguably one of the main tipping points to bring us into the iraq conflict.
https://www.wired.com/2011/03/did-the-anthrax-attacks-kickstart-the-iraq-war/
but you're prob right, it's a conspiracy..

Anonymous said...

5:34 : My cat just got triggered. He doesn't understand sarcasm.

Anonymous said...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/free-speech-relic-america


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