Tuesday, December 14, 2010

Corps to Levee Board: We will study a one-lake plan

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in Vicksburg sent a letter to the Rankin-Hinds Pearl River Flood and Drainage Control District on December 2 stating it has "begun updating the project management plan and preparing a new feasibility cost-sharing agreement, which is necessary for study resumption." What does that mean in English? It means the Mississippi Congressional delegation sent a letter in August stating its support for a flood control plan that included a lake. The Secretary replied in September the Corps would "resume" the Pearl River Watershed study with a one-lake alternative, IF funds are available in the appropriate legislation.

The December 2 letter thus states the Corps is making the necessary arrangements and notifying the Levee Board of the costs it is responsible for the completion of the study. The Levee Board and Corps must share all costs equally for the study.

26 comments:

Paul Mitchell said...

This is just a silly question, but if one lake is okay, wouldn't TWO lakes be even better?

Kinda like, TWO hospitals in Madison County?

Kingfish said...

Leland Speed supported Melton, therefor everything he touches is evil and must be stopped. Didn't you get the memo?

Paul Mitchell said...

I got it, but obviously I cannot read or write because the Corps has been fighting correcting this Jackson flooding problem since 1995 to my knowledge.

Anonymous said...

In January of this year the JFP covered the Two Lakes Plan quite throughly. Very interesting to read.

http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/index.php/site/comments/the_lakes_plan_that_wont_recede/

Anonymous said...

That is the story that the control freak actually replied SIX TIMES to herself. She is a bona fide nut case.

Anonymous said...

In January of this year the JFP covered the Two Lakes Plan quite throughly. Very interesting to read.

I doubt they covered it throughly or thoroughly.

Anonymous said...

While your opinion of DL might have merit, I found, in this case, the article well-researched and informative. It was certainly left few hanging threads and was quite interesting.

If someone else had written that perhaps you might have commented on the information the piece provided rather than DL.

Anonymous said...

3:48 wrote: "I doubt they covered it throughly or thoroughly."

Oh Lord, you are one of those!
Please forgive me for putting a letter in the wrong place. It sometimes happens when one is typing, but you wouldn't know that, would you?
You also, obviously, did not read the piece since you have expressed doubt whether the issue was covered throughly or THOROUGHLY?
Flush...

Anonymous said...

Hey sounds like DL anonymous above... Again, linquistics and certain phrases and tone look very similar...

Anonymous said...

Does Hello sound like DL anonymous, too?

Anonymous said...

Yes

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the laugh! Cute.

Anonymous said...

Pity the fool stupid enough to purchase that Mississippi Blood Services building.

More tax dollars exiting Jackson.

Anonymous said...

No, Kingfish, Leland Speed is not evil, but, he is a developer and all developers are, in the end, interested in their bottom line, period. No problem with that. Speed has done many really good things in Jackson in the past. And, no, Paul, anybody that has any dealing with "the Corps" knows that in their minds they are right. No ifs ands or buts. McGowan seems to be an egomanic who believes that anyone that questions HIM is somehow evil, stupid or just a jackass. We all know that environmentalists will fight this, just ask the Sierra Club. It just seems that until the water problems, the crime problems, the super high tax problems, etc. are addressed it doesn't matter if someone builds a stairway to heaven on the Pearl we'll still be right where we started. And, I say "we" fully realizing that the developers such as Speed and Watkins are the ones putting their asses on the line in all of this. I was born and raised here, been here for 57 years, and would love for the city to get back to the place where we would, once again, be named one of the top places to live and raise a family, as opposed to one of the top murder capitals of the city. There has got to be a spot where we can all come together on this.

Paul Mitchell said...

Anon 9:52, I worked with McGowan on this back in 1995. he is nothing like you describe. He also sat down with the Corps and explained how their calculations were incorrect and over a course of a few days, they agreed. So, at one time, even they knew they were wrong.

Just saying...

Anonymous said...

Paul, you worked on this with McGowan 15 years ago. I have never met the man, wouldn't know him from Adam's off ox. You say that the Corps agreed that their calcs were incorrect, but how does that square with the tremendous difference in his estimate of the cost of the project, and theirs?

Paul Mitchell said...

Anon, I have not looked at the numbers on any of the proposals in years. To me it is moot, I just never see anything happening on it at all.

But, consider that the Corps is a gov't agency and check out their track record.

By the way, the new visitors center at our nation's Capitol came in five years late and cost over 1k a square foot.

I'll take McGowan's numbers over the fed in a heartbeat.

Anonymous said...

@9:52 missed KF's sarcasm.

Anonymous said...

And since the Easter Flood of 1979 what has been done to protect us?

Paul Mitchell said...

Anon 8:47, builders have developed Madison County.

Anonymous said...

5:36:
9:52 didn't miss anything. The sarcasm was so clearly obvious that I saw no reason to mention it, or give Kingfish an attaboy for being soooo clever. Instead I chose to say, I guess in a manner that you couldn't follow, that the court cases from the building of the Lakes will drag on for years and there are plenty of problems kicking us in the face right now. At least Paul Mitchell is cogent enough to lay out a decent argument, unlike you. Now, did you see any sarcasm here, or do I need to spell it out for you.

Anonymous said...

Levees will never get built unless the Feds step up to provide 100% of the funding and that isn't going to happen.

A tax increase on the massive scale necessary to pay the local portion of a levee build will never pass at the ballot box. Never.

There will be another flood. Severity TBD.

Anyone fretting about potential court cases has long ago missed the bigger picture.

Anonymous said...

9:22:
Clearly the feds would have to step up and pay for what the Corps wants to build. And, yes, at some point there will be another flood of the magnitude of the '79 flood. I'm not opposed to the Lakes on the face of it, but, do you really believe that private developers could build the Lakes without the Corps, and the courts, agreement? The Lakes would be a great thing for the city. Now, what about all the current problems the city faces? Are they just going to go away on their own? What are your ideas on how to fix the water issue? A massive tax increase that you just said the public would never accept? Apparently I need you to educate me on the bigger picture. Please feel free to do so.

Anonymous said...

The only flood control solution that has a chance to self-fund is McGowan's. Call him an egomanic and malign his reputation all you want but he figured out long, long ago that the money required to pay for the local portion of the Corps levee build plan doesn't exist. There is no way the tax base can financially shoulder the size of tax increase necessary to pay for the local share. The community wealth is not there and building levees only destroys wealth. There is a reason the Rankin-Hinds Pearl River Flood and Drainage Control District has never moved forward with the levee build. That is because they know that taxpayers, when presented with the massive tax increase at the ballot box and facing a net reduction in their personal wealth, will opt to take a chance that the next big one will never arrive and emphatically vote Nyet.

The Rankin-Hinds Pearl River Flood and Drainage Control District has completely failed the constituencies they were chartered to protect.

Anonymous said...

4:26 RIGHT ON MY FRIEND. THAT IS THE NASTY TRUTH THE NAYSAYERS OF TWO LAKES REFUSE TO ADDRESS.

Anonymous said...

I wonder why the JFP does not address the obvious (above) in their "self congratulations" regarding their "complete coverage" of the Two Lakes issue?

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