Friday, November 9, 2012

Explaining the Obamacare taxes on real estate transactions

The National Association of Realtors published this brochure on the new taxes coming down the turnpike under Obamacare. A new tax of 3.8% will be levied on some forms of investment income. The brochure states:


"Understand that this tax WILL NOT be imposed on all real estate transactions, a common misconception. Rather, when the legislation becomes effective in 2013, it may impose a 3.8% tax on some (but not all) income from interest, dividends, rents (less expenses) and capital gains (less capital losses). Th e tax will fall only on individuals with an adjusted gross income (AGI) above $200,000 and couples filing a joint return with more than $250,000 AGI."

Page five discusses rental income if used as investment income. The tax will be based on the net rental income. Thus if it is below the thresholds stated in the quote, the tax does not apply. If the rental income is derived from the person's main occupation, then the tax does not apply but one of .9% is imposed on the portion above the thresholds.

The big question is how does this affect people who own second homes and do not rent them out. The tax applies (p. 7) for the portion above the thresholds.

Suppose you sell a rental property and then quickly buy another one? There are no provisions for offsets:

"The statute provides no guidance as to whether Ethan can defer the 3.8% tax by
entering into a like-kind exchange when he sells the property. This question may be addressed in regulations at a later time, but for the present is not resolved."

                                                                                                  

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

my my.... I wonder why that 47% think that all of this won't effect them? That obama "tax us into a third world nation status" plan pertaining to rent income will be passed through to the tenants.. duh! higher rent..maybe they have guzzled so much cool-aid they think obama is going to pay their rent too!!!!

Anonymous said...

It will effect our local notables the Drinkwater, Mattiace, Speed, Parker, Peters, Black, Jordan, Watkins, Underwood, Hederman, & c landed families of realm

Anonymous said...

yes indeed it will 5:33pm! but not as much as those poor saps that rent from that rogues gallery! not to mention obama jock strap carriers like our local sandwich and pizza moguls..once obamacare kicks in and he get rips in massive new taxes (to give to those slugs who won't work) you will have to pay $72.00 for a crappy sandwich at Broadstreet..heck, they aren't even worth what they charge now...

Anonymous said...

like I said in my plan, avoid all liberally owned places of business. Let Fondren take care of Fondren. The SPQ-Jeff Good-vaginafest will go on with all the young liberals and pillowbiters.

Anonymous said...

Fondren IS now Ridgeland. See 2011 assignments in various deeds of trust in the courthouse here (start with Bk 7118, 817+)... As for Maggy Bean I thought they were all docs backing them. The local real estate partnerships are all going south if the friendly Arabs or Northeast Louisiana oilmen don't save them.

Anonymous said...

Most citizens might aspire to vast real estate holdings, but the RE taxes will fall on doctors not patients. The doctors will have more insured patients who can afford to buy their prescriptions. The Blue Cross patients will have a $3k annual family deductible so they will pay cash...bottom line is the providers will continue to enjoy their real estate holdings.

Anonymous said...

...and pass the costs down to the consumer.

Anonymous said...

Many prequisites are required to be met before this tax is triggered, and even then, it only applies to the excess over a certain high threshold. This allegedly diabolical tax means nothing to the vast majority of Americans because they will never have to pay it.


Go to snopes.com for an easy to understand explanation.

Anonymous said...

Taxation has been the social policy tool of choice in Washington for a couple of generations. Of course, tax policy can be anything, but what we need is revenue to pay down the national debt and remove the fiscal cliff. The House is the constitutional authority for taxation so the Speaker will declare his intentions to sacrifice himself for the good of the nation and propose a consumption tax. Social security and Medicare can be saved by removing the cap on taxable income as the easier way to rescue the program. This real estate transaction tax will raise how much as opposed to a consumption tax on gasoline which has remained in place since 1993?

Anonymous said...

" Social security and Medicare can be saved by removing the cap on taxable income as the easier way to rescue the program. "

The reason there is a cap on collections is because there is a cap on payments once one is eligible. That's how Roosevelt got it passed in the first place.

Kingfish said...

So remove the cap.

No limit on self employed. They are paying an extra 15% or so tax on the income above the current threshold. Nice. Real nice.

Also, what was wrong with what I posted above? I didn't say this applied to all real estate transactions.

Anonymous said...

The good news is that, for most of the clowns on this board, they'll never be in any of the scenarios that might lead to this tax. So, go on to the next thing.

Anonymous said...

Like you know anything about the people here.

Anonymous said...

Brilliant, anon at 4:39!


Recent Comments

Search Jackson Jambalaya

Subscribe to JJ's Youtube channel

Archives

Trollfest '09

Trollfest '07 was such a success that Jackson Jambalaya will once again host Trollfest '09. Catch this great event which will leave NE Jackson & Fondren in flames. Othor Cain and his band, The Black Power Structure headline the night while Sonjay Poontang returns for an encore performance. Former Frank Melton bodyguard Marcus Wright makes his premier appearance at Trollfest singing "I'm a Sweet Transvestite" from "The Rocky Horror Picture Show." Kamikaze will sing his new hit, “How I sold out to da Man.” Robbie Bell again performs: “Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be Bells” and “Any friend of Ed Peters is a friend of mine”. After the show, Ms. Bell will autograph copies of her mug shot photos. In a salute to “Dancing with the Stars”, Ms. Bell and Hinds County District Attorney Robert Smith will dance the Wango Tango.

Wrestling returns, except this time it will be a Battle Royal with Othor Cain, Ben Allen, Kim Wade, Haley Fisackerly, Alan Lange, and “Big Cat” Donna Ladd all in the ring at the same time. The Battle Royal will be in a steel cage, no time limit, no referee, and the losers must leave town. Marshand Crisler will be the honorary referee (as it gives him a title without actually having to do anything).


Meet KIM Waaaaaade at the Entergy Tent. For five pesos, Kim will sell you a chance to win a deed to a crack house on Ridgeway Street stuffed in the Howard Industries pinata. Don't worry if the pinata is beaten to shreds, as Mr. Wade has Jose, Emmanuel, and Carlos, all illegal immigrants, available as replacements for the it. Upon leaving the Entergy tent, fig leaves will be available in case Entergy literally takes everything you have as part of its Trollfest ticket price adjustment charge.

Donna Ladd of The Jackson Free Press will give several classes on learning how to write. Smearing, writing without factchecking, and reporting only one side of a story will be covered. A donation to pay their taxes will be accepted and she will be signing copies of their former federal tax liens. Ms. Ladd will give a dramatic reading of her two award-winning essays (They received The Jackson Free Press "Best Of" awards.) "Why everything is always about me" and "Why I cover murders better than anyone else in Jackson".

In the spirit of helping those who are less fortunate, Trollfest '09 adopts a cause for which a portion of the proceeds and donations will be donated: Keeping Frank Melton in his home. The “Keep Frank Melton From Being Homeless” booth will sell chances for five dollars to pin the tail on the jackass. John Reeves has graciously volunteered to be the jackass for this honorable excursion into saving Frank's ass. What's an ass between two friends after all? If Mr. Reeves is unable to um, perform, Speaker Billy McCoy has also volunteered as when the word “jackass” was mentioned he immediately ran as fast as he could to sign up.


In order to help clean up the legal profession, Adam Kilgore of the Mississippi Bar will be giving away free, round-trip plane tickets to the North Pole where they keep their bar complaint forms (which are NOT available online). If you don't want to go to the North Pole, you can enjoy Brant Brantley's (of the Mississippi Commission on Judicial Performance) free guided tours of the quicksand field over by High Street where all complaints against judges disappear. If for some reason you are unable to control yourself, never fear; Judge Houston Patton will operate his jail where no lawyers are needed or allowed as you just sit there for minutes... hours.... months...years until he decides he is tired of you sitting in his jail. Do not think Judge Patton is a bad judge however as he plans to serve free Mad Dog 20/20 to all inmates.

Trollfest '09 is a pet-friendly event as well. Feel free to bring your dog with you and do not worry if your pet gets hungry, as employees of the Jackson Zoo will be on hand to provide some of their animals as food when it gets to be feeding time for your little loved one.

Relax at the Fox News Tent. Since there are only three blonde reporters in Jackson (being blonde is a requirement for working at Fox News), Megan and Kathryn from WAPT and Wendy from WLBT will be on loan to Fox. To gain admittance to the VIP section, bring either your Republican Party ID card or a Rebel Flag. Bringing both and a torn-up Obama yard sign will entitle you to free drinks served by Megan, Wendy, and Kathryn. Get your tickets now. Since this is an event for trolls, no ID is required. Just bring the hate. Bring the family, Trollfest '09 is for EVERYONE!!!

This is definitely a Beaver production.


Note: Security provided by INS.

Trollfest '07

Jackson Jambalaya is the home of Trollfest '07. Catch this great event which promises to leave NE Jackson & Fondren in flames. Sonjay Poontang and his band headline the night with a special steel cage, no time limit "loser must leave town" bout between Alan Lange and "Big Cat"Donna Ladd following afterwards. Kamikaze will perform his new song F*** Bush, he's still a _____. Did I mention there was no referee? Dr. Heddy Matthias and Lori Gregory will face off in the undercard dueling with dangling participles and other um, devices. Robbie Bell will perform Her two latest songs: My Best Friends are in the Media and Mama's, Don't Let Your Babies Grow up to be George Bell. Sid Salter of The Clarion-Ledger will host "Pin the Tail on the Trial Lawyer", sponsored by State Farm.

There will be a hugging booth where in exchange for your young son, Frank Melton will give you a loooong hug. Trollfest will have a dunking booth where Muhammed the terrorist will curse you to Allah as you try to hit a target that will drop him into a vat of pig grease. However, in the true spirit of Separate But Equal, Don Imus and someone from NE Jackson will also sit in the dunking booth for an equal amount of time. Tom Head will give a reading for two hours on why he can't figure out who the hell he is. Cliff Cargill will give lessons with his .80 caliber desert eagle, using Frank Melton photos as targets. Tackleberry will be on hand for an autograph session. KIM Waaaaaade will be passing out free titles and deeds to crackhouses formerly owned by The Wood Street Players.

If you get tired come relax at the Fox News Tent. To gain admittance to the VIP section, bring either your Republican Party ID card or a Rebel Flag. Bringing both will entitle you to free drinks.Get your tickets now. Since this is an event for trolls, no ID is required, just bring the hate. Bring the family, Trollfest '07 is for EVERYONE!!!

This is definitely a Beaver production.

Note: Security provided by INS
.