The Wall Street Journal editorial page provided a very detailed column on the entire Benghazi debacle yesterday. (Italics are from WSJ, bold lettering is my emphasis):
The Ambassador to Libya and three other Americans were murdered September 11 in Benghazi. That we know. But too little else about what took place before, during and after the attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission is clear.
The White House says Republicans are "politicizing" a tragedy. Politicians politicize, yes, but part of their job is to hold other politicians accountable. The Administration has made that difficult by offering evasive, inconsistent and conflicting accounts about one of the most serious American overseas defeats in recent years. Unresolved questions about Benghazi loom over this election because the White House has failed to resolve them.
*Why did the U.S. not heed warnings about a growing Islamist presence in Benghazi and better protect the diplomatic mission and CIA annex?
From the start of the Libyan uprising in early 2011, the Central Intelligence Agency built up an unusually large presence in Benghazi. By this September, two dozen or so operatives and contractors monitored Ansar al-Shariah and other militant groups. Deteriorating security after the war was no secret. U.S. intelligence noted militant camps in the mountains near Benghazi, including "al Qaeda leaning" fighters, according to Tuesday's New York Times.
Over the summer, the Red Cross and the U.K. closed their offices in Benghazi after attempted terrorist attacks and assassinations. A bomb went off outside the U.S. mission on June 6 but hurt no one. Ambassador Chris Stevens told his superiors in an August cable about a "security vacuum" in Benghazi. A different classified State cable sent in August, and obtained by Fox News this week, noted the growth of al Qaeda training camps and expressed concern about the Benghazi mission's ability to defend against a coordinated attack. It said it would ask for "additional physical security upgrades and staffing."
In a House hearing last month, career State Department officials said various requests for security reinforcements to Libya were turned down. A 16-member special security team in Tripoli, the Libyan capital, was pulled out in August. The inability of Libya's weak central government to protect American diplomats was overlooked.These revelations came from the career staff at State.
Mr. Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have claimed "responsibility" for Benghazi, without saying precisely for what. During the second Presidential debate on October 16, Mr. Obama was asked: "Who was it that denied enhanced security and why?" He changed the subject.
*What exactly happened on the day of 9/11? During the over six hours that the compounds in Benghazi were under siege, could the U.S. have done more to save lives? What was President Obama doing and ordering his subordinates to do in those fateful hours?
An October 9 State Department briefing offered the first precise timeline, nearly a month later. There was no demonstration outside the consulate the evening of the 11th—"nothing unusual during the day at all outside," a State official said.
That may not be right. Early that morning, Embassy guards noticed a Libyan police officer in a building across the street "photographing the inside of the U.S. special mission," according to a letter dated September 11 from the Embassy to the Libyan government, calling it "troubling." The letter was discovered last week at the still unsecured compound by two journalists and published on Foreign Policy's website Thursday.
At 9:40 p.m. local time (3:40 p.m. EST), a security officer at the Benghazi consulate heard "loud noises" outside the gate and "the camera on the main gate reveals a large number of people—a large number of men, armed men, flowing into the compound," according to the State Department timeline.
Within half an hour, the consulate was on fire. At about 10:45 p.m., help arrived from the CIA annex about a mile away. The CIA offered its first account of that evening this Thursday night, nearly two months after the fact. Agency personnel were dispatched within 25 minutes of the initial attack on the consulate. By 11:20, they evacuated the consulate. Stevens and Sean Smith, a State employee, were dead.
The fortified annex then came under steady small-arms fire for 90 minutes starting around midnight, according to the CIA timeline, but it was never breached. The fighting lulled for four hours. Before dawn, a sudden mortar attack killed two CIA security officers on a rooftop, according to CIA officials. By then, a Quick Reaction Force had arrived from Tripoli to evacuate the annex. The CIA briefers said the agency did not deny aid to the consulate. But the Journal reported on Friday that the CIA and State "weren't on the same page about their respective roles on security" in Benghazi.
The latest account also leaves unanswered what other options Mr. Obama and his security team considered. The U.S. failed to bring armed drones, gunships or other close air support to defend the annex from the militias who were outside its gates for over four hours. The fighting at the consulate may have taken place too quickly to bring in outside military support. According to officials who spoke this week, fighter jets in Italy would have created too much collateral damage in a civilian neighborhood.
An unarmed U.S. drone was diverted to Benghazi but had trouble distinguishing between the terrorists and U.S. allies who came to the compounds' aid. An armed drone wasn't in the area. A large special operations force from Fort Bragg arrived in Sicily too late to help, according to a National Public Radio report Thursday.
Mr. Obama was informed of the attacks at around 5 p.m.—11 p.m. in Libya—during a previously scheduled meeting with his military advisers, and he ordered military assets moved to the area, according to ABC News. During the attacks, however, the Administration didn't convene the Counterterrorism Security Group, which was created to coordinate a response to a terrorist attack, according to a CBS News report.
Late last week, Mr. Obama was twice asked by a local Denver television anchor whether Americans who asked for help in Benghazi were turned down by the chain of command. He didn't answer.
Lacking "real-time information," Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said last week, "you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on." Officials this week insisted military intervention was either too risky or impossible to organize in time. (KF note: Actually you have to do it sometimes. These are soldiers. Its called combat. You try to get the best info possible but sometimes you don't have a choice and I write that as a former soldier.)
Yet it's still reasonable to ask why the U.S. wasn't prepared for such a contingency. Since 9/11 (of 2001) the U.S. has been at war with the people who attacked in Benghazi, even though many liberals don't like to say so. One of them is the current Commander in Chief, who still refuses to talk about his Administration's response to his 9/11.
*Why has the Administration's story about what took place in Benghazi been so haphazard and unclear?
In his September 12 Rose Garden statement, Mr. Obama said "no acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for." He said this at the end of his remarks, well after his specific comments about Benghazi.
Unnamed Administration officials that same day told Reuters that an al Qaeda regional offshoot and members of Ansar al-Shariah were probably involved. "It bears the hallmarks of an organized attack," one U.S. official said. Intelligence officials briefed Members of Congress later that week that terrorism was the likeliest culprit. (Ya think? Anyone who knows how mortars work could tell you that little fact.)
Yet by the end of that week, the White House offered a different account: That the Benghazi attack grew out of a spontaneous demonstration against an anti-Islam video on YouTube. On September 14, Obama spokesman Jay Carney said, "We don't have and did not have concrete evidence to suggest that this was not in reaction to the film." (I don't have concrete evidence that UFO's did not help Lee Harvey Oswald BUT it could've happened.).
Two days later, U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice went on a tour of the Sunday talk shows to repeat the video-caused-the-protest story. On CBS's "Face the Nation," she contradicted Libya's President Mohamed Magarief, who on the same show blamed a "preplanned" attack by "foreign" terrorists. The White House and Ms. Rice have since claimed they were merely following talking points provided by the "intelligence community."
Yet Reuters revealed last week that government officials saw a possible al Qaeda connection even as the attacks were taking place. Emails from State's regional security officer to the White House Situation Room, the Pentagon, the FBI and others noted that Ansar al-Shariah had taken responsibility. The Daily Beast's Eli Lake reported that FBI officers who interviewed security officers who worked at the consulate knew as early as September 14 that the attack was no protest.
It took eight days for the Administration to formally declare that the four Americans "were killed in the course of a terrorist attack on our embassy," in the words of Matt Olsen, director of the National Counterterrorism Center. But six days later Mr. Obama was asked by Joy Behar on "The View" if "it was an act of terrorism"? He said the government didn't know. In his September 25 U.N. address, Mr. Obama made several general references to the YouTube video but made no mention of terrorism in the context of Benghazi.
His campaign stump speech to this day includes the lines that "al Qaeda has been decimated" and the U.S. is "finally turning the page on a decade of war to do some nation-building right here at home" (Thursday in Las Vegas).
***
Mr. Obama has made the defeat of al Qaeda a core part of his case for re-election. Yet in Benghazi an al Qaeda affiliate killed four U.S. officials in U.S. buildings, contradicting that political narrative.
The President may succeed in stonewalling Congress and the media past Election Day. But the issue will return, perhaps with a vengeance, in an Obama second term. The episode reflects directly on his competence and honesty as Commander in Chief. If his Administration is found to have dissembled, careers will be ended and his Presidency will be severely damaged—all the more so because he refused to deal candidly with the issue before the election.
America has since closed the Libya diplomatic outpost and pulled a critical intelligence unit out of a hotbed of Islamism, conceding a defeat. U.S. standing in the region and ability to fight terrorist groups were undermined, with worrying repercussions for a turbulent Middle East and America's security. This is why it's so important to learn what happened in Benghazi."
Of course, who can forget an NBC reporter badgering the Libyan Prime Minister when he said it was not a terrorist attack as she pushed the administration's line it was a mob motivated by a Youtube video. earlier post. The facts in this story just get worse and worse.
Sunday, November 4, 2012
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Trollfest '07 was such a success that Jackson Jambalaya will once again host Trollfest '09. Catch this great event which will leave NE Jackson & Fondren in flames. Othor Cain and his band, The Black Power Structure headline the night while Sonjay Poontang returns for an encore performance. Former Frank Melton bodyguard Marcus Wright makes his premier appearance at Trollfest singing "I'm a Sweet Transvestite" from "The Rocky Horror Picture Show." Kamikaze will sing his new hit, “How I sold out to da Man.” Robbie Bell again performs: “Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be Bells” and “Any friend of Ed Peters is a friend of mine”. After the show, Ms. Bell will autograph copies of her mug shot photos. In a salute to “Dancing with the Stars”, Ms. Bell and Hinds County District Attorney Robert Smith will dance the Wango Tango.
Wrestling returns, except this time it will be a Battle Royal with Othor Cain, Ben Allen, Kim Wade, Haley Fisackerly, Alan Lange, and “Big Cat” Donna Ladd all in the ring at the same time. The Battle Royal will be in a steel cage, no time limit, no referee, and the losers must leave town. Marshand Crisler will be the honorary referee (as it gives him a title without actually having to do anything).
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Donna Ladd of The Jackson Free Press will give several classes on learning how to write. Smearing, writing without factchecking, and reporting only one side of a story will be covered. A donation to pay their taxes will be accepted and she will be signing copies of their former federal tax liens. Ms. Ladd will give a dramatic reading of her two award-winning essays (They received The Jackson Free Press "Best Of" awards.) "Why everything is always about me" and "Why I cover murders better than anyone else in Jackson".
In the spirit of helping those who are less fortunate, Trollfest '09 adopts a cause for which a portion of the proceeds and donations will be donated: Keeping Frank Melton in his home. The “Keep Frank Melton From Being Homeless” booth will sell chances for five dollars to pin the tail on the jackass. John Reeves has graciously volunteered to be the jackass for this honorable excursion into saving Frank's ass. What's an ass between two friends after all? If Mr. Reeves is unable to um, perform, Speaker Billy McCoy has also volunteered as when the word “jackass” was mentioned he immediately ran as fast as he could to sign up.
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Relax at the Fox News Tent. Since there are only three blonde reporters in Jackson (being blonde is a requirement for working at Fox News), Megan and Kathryn from WAPT and Wendy from WLBT will be on loan to Fox. To gain admittance to the VIP section, bring either your Republican Party ID card or a Rebel Flag. Bringing both and a torn-up Obama yard sign will entitle you to free drinks served by Megan, Wendy, and Kathryn. Get your tickets now. Since this is an event for trolls, no ID is required. Just bring the hate. Bring the family, Trollfest '09 is for EVERYONE!!!
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Wrestling returns, except this time it will be a Battle Royal with Othor Cain, Ben Allen, Kim Wade, Haley Fisackerly, Alan Lange, and “Big Cat” Donna Ladd all in the ring at the same time. The Battle Royal will be in a steel cage, no time limit, no referee, and the losers must leave town. Marshand Crisler will be the honorary referee (as it gives him a title without actually having to do anything).
Meet KIM Waaaaaade at the Entergy Tent. For five pesos, Kim will sell you a chance to win a deed to a crack house on Ridgeway Street stuffed in the Howard Industries pinata. Don't worry if the pinata is beaten to shreds, as Mr. Wade has Jose, Emmanuel, and Carlos, all illegal immigrants, available as replacements for the it. Upon leaving the Entergy tent, fig leaves will be available in case Entergy literally takes everything you have as part of its Trollfest ticket price adjustment charge.
Donna Ladd of The Jackson Free Press will give several classes on learning how to write. Smearing, writing without factchecking, and reporting only one side of a story will be covered. A donation to pay their taxes will be accepted and she will be signing copies of their former federal tax liens. Ms. Ladd will give a dramatic reading of her two award-winning essays (They received The Jackson Free Press "Best Of" awards.) "Why everything is always about me" and "Why I cover murders better than anyone else in Jackson".
In the spirit of helping those who are less fortunate, Trollfest '09 adopts a cause for which a portion of the proceeds and donations will be donated: Keeping Frank Melton in his home. The “Keep Frank Melton From Being Homeless” booth will sell chances for five dollars to pin the tail on the jackass. John Reeves has graciously volunteered to be the jackass for this honorable excursion into saving Frank's ass. What's an ass between two friends after all? If Mr. Reeves is unable to um, perform, Speaker Billy McCoy has also volunteered as when the word “jackass” was mentioned he immediately ran as fast as he could to sign up.
In order to help clean up the legal profession, Adam Kilgore of the Mississippi Bar will be giving away free, round-trip plane tickets to the North Pole where they keep their bar complaint forms (which are NOT available online). If you don't want to go to the North Pole, you can enjoy Brant Brantley's (of the Mississippi Commission on Judicial Performance) free guided tours of the quicksand field over by High Street where all complaints against judges disappear. If for some reason you are unable to control yourself, never fear; Judge Houston Patton will operate his jail where no lawyers are needed or allowed as you just sit there for minutes... hours.... months...years until he decides he is tired of you sitting in his jail. Do not think Judge Patton is a bad judge however as he plans to serve free Mad Dog 20/20 to all inmates.
Trollfest '09 is a pet-friendly event as well. Feel free to bring your dog with you and do not worry if your pet gets hungry, as employees of the Jackson Zoo will be on hand to provide some of their animals as food when it gets to be feeding time for your little loved one.
Relax at the Fox News Tent. Since there are only three blonde reporters in Jackson (being blonde is a requirement for working at Fox News), Megan and Kathryn from WAPT and Wendy from WLBT will be on loan to Fox. To gain admittance to the VIP section, bring either your Republican Party ID card or a Rebel Flag. Bringing both and a torn-up Obama yard sign will entitle you to free drinks served by Megan, Wendy, and Kathryn. Get your tickets now. Since this is an event for trolls, no ID is required. Just bring the hate. Bring the family, Trollfest '09 is for EVERYONE!!!
This is definitely a Beaver production.
Note: Security provided by INS.
Trollfest '07
Jackson Jambalaya is the home of Trollfest '07. Catch this great event which promises to leave NE Jackson & Fondren in flames. Sonjay Poontang and his band headline the night with a special steel cage, no time limit "loser must leave town" bout between Alan Lange and "Big Cat"Donna Ladd following afterwards. Kamikaze will perform his new song F*** Bush, he's still a _____. Did I mention there was no referee? Dr. Heddy Matthias and Lori Gregory will face off in the undercard dueling with dangling participles and other um, devices. Robbie Bell will perform Her two latest songs: My Best Friends are in the Media and Mama's, Don't Let Your Babies Grow up to be George Bell. Sid Salter of The Clarion-Ledger will host "Pin the Tail on the Trial Lawyer", sponsored by State Farm.
There will be a hugging booth where in exchange for your young son, Frank Melton will give you a loooong hug. Trollfest will have a dunking booth where Muhammed the terrorist will curse you to Allah as you try to hit a target that will drop him into a vat of pig grease. However, in the true spirit of Separate But Equal, Don Imus and someone from NE Jackson will also sit in the dunking booth for an equal amount of time. Tom Head will give a reading for two hours on why he can't figure out who the hell he is. Cliff Cargill will give lessons with his .80 caliber desert eagle, using Frank Melton photos as targets. Tackleberry will be on hand for an autograph session. KIM Waaaaaade will be passing out free titles and deeds to crackhouses formerly owned by The Wood Street Players.
If you get tired come relax at the Fox News Tent. To gain admittance to the VIP section, bring either your Republican Party ID card or a Rebel Flag. Bringing both will entitle you to free drinks.Get your tickets now. Since this is an event for trolls, no ID is required, just bring the hate. Bring the family, Trollfest '07 is for EVERYONE!!!
This is definitely a Beaver production.
Note: Security provided by INS.
There will be a hugging booth where in exchange for your young son, Frank Melton will give you a loooong hug. Trollfest will have a dunking booth where Muhammed the terrorist will curse you to Allah as you try to hit a target that will drop him into a vat of pig grease. However, in the true spirit of Separate But Equal, Don Imus and someone from NE Jackson will also sit in the dunking booth for an equal amount of time. Tom Head will give a reading for two hours on why he can't figure out who the hell he is. Cliff Cargill will give lessons with his .80 caliber desert eagle, using Frank Melton photos as targets. Tackleberry will be on hand for an autograph session. KIM Waaaaaade will be passing out free titles and deeds to crackhouses formerly owned by The Wood Street Players.
If you get tired come relax at the Fox News Tent. To gain admittance to the VIP section, bring either your Republican Party ID card or a Rebel Flag. Bringing both will entitle you to free drinks.Get your tickets now. Since this is an event for trolls, no ID is required, just bring the hate. Bring the family, Trollfest '07 is for EVERYONE!!!
This is definitely a Beaver production.
Note: Security provided by INS.
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This entire episode pushed me off the fence into Romney's back yard. There is no way I could back Obama for the presidency when the details of this terrorist attach became clear. Lying to the American people is a betrayal no matter how much sugar coats the whys.
Wow! Great read. Every voter needs to know and understand this article. This is basic lying to the American public about terrorism; this is incomptency in foreign affairs; this is not caring enough to save American lives or to protect American interests; this is another Watergate--get re-elected at any costs.
Allen West, you know General/Major that shot hole in chair to get bad guy to tell where our guys were being held. Said on radio all it would have taken was 2 F-16 flying at 100 feet above the ground and breaking the sound barrier over the trouble spot. Ground shakes, windows break and bad guys leave. He said it is done over and over in that area and the US does not havfe to fire a shot. You understand that is the easy way out and they did not even take that route.
As far as I have been able to discover, Susan Rice is the only one who ever said it was a reaction to the video and she said it once.
If we had used an armed drone or mortar rounds, we'd be discussing more deaths from friendly fire.
The question of policy is "should we have pulled out like others did" ?
I think that is debatable.
Clearly, many Libyans support us. Would they if they felt abandoned as they try to rebuild?
The next question is could added security have made a difference? The value, it seems to me, would be to discourage attack but then, it is clear that a Marine Corps barracks was a target as are bases in Afghanistan.
Oh really. What did Jay Carney say?
As far as I have been able to discover, Susan Rice is the only one who ever said it was a reaction to the video and she said it once.
ROFLMAO ... Sure ... Whatever you say.
Why don't you head over to the Jackson Free Press and self-delude with them that it never happened.
What about the WSJ article on Friday about it being primarily a CIA operation? And the fact that the administration is hesitant to talk about CIA operations?
For all we know there are reasons for not putting a bunch of Marines on the ground where the CIA is working.
Hillary took one for the team falling on the sword leaving the impression that it was a State Dept mission when it was CIA.
I believe Hillary, the Secretary of State, also said Benghazi was directly related to the video. You are not reading the facts presented by the WSJ.
My question is, IF Obama is reelected, and if he is impeached, then does that idiot Biden become President, God forbid?
At 3:01... Revisionist history only works at JFP or msnbc. He blamed the video CONSTANTLY during the WEEKS following the attacks. He also blamed the video during his speech at the UN:
http://times247.com/articles/obama-again-pins-libya-blame-on-video-at-u-n
According to PEW research, the MSM is definitely biased toward BO. In this case they have been helping the cover up...
I've watched the testimony. I've seen all the reports. Watched FOX and the rest of the news.
My take: Val made the call with Obama sans Situation Room. Vegas preparation took precedence.
Val will ultimately be found out here. It is only a matter of time. Why else would this wild goose chase STILL be going on. I mean, it could have been shut down any time up until this point. It hasn't been.
No conspiracy here, just a WAG, that actually upon reflection makes sense.
Let it be said, nothing illegal has gone on at this point - if you believe the abandoned story or FOX it is gross incompetence or gross negligence; either way, is it worth the presidency? No. It is not. What other reason is there?
3:53pm name someone in the administration other than Susan Rice who blamed the film for the consul ( as opposed to the embassies) attack.
Clinton's comments were in remarks that included the embassy assaults which were related to the film. So..nice try, but some of us like facts and facts don't have 2 sides.
Allen West's statement is stunning. He really believes rattling windows and shaking ground is going to keep a guy with an RPG from firing it? Maybe if the attackers had been civilians, but not terrorists who have been operating in a recent war zone.
The explosion started the fire. There's been at least one report ( don't know if it's accurate but will wait for facts) that the four who died were on the roof and the roof collapsed. I don't know why they were on the roof and didn't escape with others who saw them alive in the building.
This shouldn't be about politics and unfortunately it is.
I wish everyone would realize that FOX, MSNBC, Huffington Post, Red State, The Washington Times, The New York Times etc are not objective sources of information.
And, also please realize when someone challenges what you say, accusing them of being liberals or for Obama or Ladd et al is just stupid.
Some of us are more than a little PO'd with both political parties and actually care more about our Nation than about a bunch of politicians.
Both McConnell and Reid make me sick. I don't see either as patriots but as self-serving party hacks.
What part of Jay Carney do you not get?
November 5, 2012 7:44 AM blah, blah, blah, blah.
KF - don't feed the troll.
This Bengahzi mess makes me sick. The facts are there were security concerns prior to attack, they were watching attack in situation room in real time, they new it was not related to a video and spontaneous mob, four patriots are dead.
One of those who died, Scott Woods, his dad is now speaking out. I have heard and seen him speak out about this mess, he said he forgives those who made the decisions not to send help but he just wants the true. At the ceremony held at Andrews AF Base when the patriots came home (and scheduled between BO fund raisers), Mr Woods said BO handshake was not sincere,felt like a wet rag. Hillary said they will get those who made the video (she already knew it was a terrorist attack) and ole Joe Biden asked and I quote "Did your son always have balls the size of cue balls?" Of course the other day ole Joe told a group in Florida that was made up of mostly ladies "I'm going to give you the whole load today". This bunch makes me sick to my stomach and our country can not take another four years of this. I have never had this sick feeling before. They must be voted out.
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