This week the Mississippi Senate passed SB 2153 (a bill I co-authored) which allows carry permit holders, who have passed extensive state and criminal background checks, to protect themselves in areas of public buildings which are not secure (defined in the bill as having no metal detectors or security personnel present screening visitors) and in privately owned establishments if the controller of the property has not posted the area off-limits. These areas include: courthouses but not courtrooms, public parks, unsecured areas of junior colleges, community colleges, and university buildings (but not in athletic events or establishments serving alcohol), and churches. Individual places of worship can choose whether to ban such activity.
The passage of this bill is a victory for 2nd Amendment rights and affirms my position that law-abiding citizens must have the right to protect themselves!
Senator Lee Yancey
District 20 (Madison and Rankin Counties)
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Good for Mississippi on passing such a progressive bill. Maybe other states will follow their lead.
After the recent shooting at JSU I'd say this bill was accurately timed.
This is insanity. I can carry in church? In church??? On a college campus?? Ever heard of Virginia Tech? That guy would have passed a background check.
9:32 It does not matter if "that guy " could have passed a background check. He was armed and all "law abiding" gun carriers were not.
9:38. And your point is? That carrying guns on college campuses and in churches is a good idea?
no, the point is bring a knife to a gun fight and see what happens
It will be interesting to see how many robberies and attacks will be prevented by this law, versus how many people will be shot out of fear, poor marksmanship or contrived excuses to shoot at someone.
I hope this bill turns out to be useful. We should have the right to protect ourselves. Good effort, KF.
OK, so a criminal now knows he can get guns from inattentive people sitting in a park or at school. Geesh.
So where is the required training BEFORE being allowed to carry a gun?
Scared people will now shoot at anything that scares them, even kids roughing it up.
I think this is a good change in the law. There were all the theories that people would be shooting granny and Little Johnny when the Castle Doctrine was passed, that is not happening. I think people that carry are trustworthy enough to be allowed to carry wherever they desire.
Remember VT? Of course. Who knows if a lawful gun owner could have stopped that guy. Remember Luby's in Texas? There was documented evidence in testimony before the US Congress that that one could have been stopped by a law abiding gun owner, yet she had to watch her parents die because her gun was in the car, where it had to be by law.
This is a good move and should have been the law from the beginning.
You dont have to go to VT or Luby's to find an example of a crime stopped by a gun carrier. The Pearl High School shootings were stopped by an asst principal with a gun in his car. If a person has been given a permit to carry and gone thru the background checks and training required, they are not likely to pull a gun for dubious reasons. If this bill enabled just anyone to carry in some of these places, there might be more cause for alarm.
looks like Sen. Yancey is a McGlowan supporter. If big government permits, you can carry a weapon. Wonder if we will hear from Taggert on this.
Don't go anyplace without your 9mm. Pack heat first, ask forgiveness when you make it out alive. I am pro law enforcement, just anti- registration.
a 9? Don't like nines. Too much velocity in the round. See FBI massacre in Miami and also Kenneth Tornes surviving a shot to the eye.
I also guess everyone missed the part where an establishment can put up a sign banning firearms and CCW permit holders would not be able to carry said firearms. Its not like this bill is shoving something down everyone's throat.
That was meant as an example. As a female, my ride is always accompanied with a .38 SW chief special. I often carry a small .22 SW long rifle; it is tiny and not good for distance shooting but will work wonders if you are out jogging for example and are accosted at close range. My cop buddies often carry these baby cannons in an ankle holster. As far as registering a handgun, which mine are, I really don't think that it is the place of the state to keep up with how many guns I have in my possession. I agree on the nines but once again the cops seem to believe in them. Anyway thanks for keeping us updated and keep up the good work.
So you folks who like this law need to protect yourselves at church? In case a gunfight breaks out? The last gunfight I heard about was when a "pro-lifer" took the life [insert your favorite ironic comment here] of a law-abiding person.
Does Yancey's law now permit abortion doctors in Mississippi to carry? To protect themselves form the pro-lifers?
Poor Richard, exactly how did you register your handguns?
Anon @ 2:23,
Evil can exist anywhere at any time and houses of God and the good people who worship there are no more immune to the threat of a derranged person than you are in your local pub.
Just a few examples:
1) http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316322,00.html
2) http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/jul/27/knoxville-church-shooting-leaves-several-injured/
3) http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/14/national/main679823.shtml
4) http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,506820,00.html
There are more. Dosen't make it any better or any worse, just what it is.
Jawbreaker
9mm problem isn't solely the velocity of the round. If you wish to stop an attacker, absent a cranial or spine shot, you need to render him unconscious. To do that, you need to drop blood pressure. To do that, you need appreciable vascular damage. That can be tough, without sufficient bullet expansion. Solution....shoot a .45 with jacketed hollow points or use Hornady's Critical Defense ammo for your 9mm, with good shot placement.
This being said, here's hoping no individual reading this ever is faced with such a horrible prospect.
9mm is what i carry.
let's see. 17 rounds of 9mm, or 10 rounds of .45. I'll take more over less. Do some research on the 9mm, 9BPLE and RA9TA rounds. Screw the crappy jhp's you find at academy.
What's the problem with velocity kf? You realize that if you have to shoot through *something* (i.e., car door, window...) you want something that has enough velocity to pass through and hit their mark.
Glad MS is passing this. Feel more comfortable carrying everywhere I can.
Anon. 4:02 pm, registered probably was incorrect terminology; should have said MDPS concealed/carry permit. Additionally some of our local sheriff departments offer a"data bank", for lack of a better term, wherin county residents may file a description of the item as well as the serial number. This is very beneficial in helping to identify a stolen gun that went missing in an auto or house burglary.
I am a .45 man myself also. 9mm are obviously better than some of the smaller cals, but a .45 will stop anything, or anyone. It's the knock down power that is important. With a .45, shot placement isn't as critical as with a 9mm. It does no good to shoot an attacker if you just him off and he can still get to you.
There is a reason law enforcement officers given a choice don't use a 9mm. FBI uses a .40 cal....and the military is revisiting the .45 Launching a 115 grain FMJ versus a 230 grain FMJ is a no brainer. The .38 Long Colt was abandoned by the U.S. military, when it was unable to stop the Moro guerrilas in the Philippin-American war around 1900. It seems the .38 lacked the stopping power against a well motivated (and often drugged up) opponent. Despite multiple shots placed on the enemy, our GI's were getting hacked with machetes. 110 years later, it seems the 9mm [.355 caliber](despite improvements in ballistics) is inadequate to overcome a well motivated meth freak or jhadist.
The average encounter with a handgun is 7 yards, so the number of bullets in the mag becomes moot.
As for the posting about velocity and overcoming car doors and such...go to a junk yard and try to get any standard handgun bullet to penetrate a car door. On the off chance it does, it's ability to cause damage is exponentially reduced. You would have to have a FMJ, which has no place as a defense load anyway. Someone has watched too many movies.
This year is the 20th anniversary of Mississippi's concealed carry law, which was created by a floor amendment by former Rep. Ken Stribling of Jackson. It was never signed or vetoed by Governor Ray Mabus, and became law without the governor's signature.
anon at 9:40:
Please, go here and see this, and see what other stuff you can learn.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/buickot3.htm
About your comment on FMJ, please tell that to our military too, as they are not allowed to use hollowpoints, and seem to do pretty well for themselves.
Yeah,but no MMPI to prove they aren't psychotic or drug tests to prove they aren't whacked out on pills or are mean binging drunks. No IQ tests to see if they've got enough sense to learn gun safety.
No eye tests to see if they can see what they are shooting at.
Simple schizophrenia shows up at around age 20 but let's give a license to an 18 year old and hope for the best.
I'm just thrilled to know that every blind mean drunk with an IQ of 60 who gets charged with a DUI but got his license before being caught can bring his gun to court. Jury duty is going to be so much more exciting!
Hmmm...did George Bell III pass the background check? Do Karen and Stuart have licenses to carry concealed weapons?
The thank you notes should be pouring in...
The one from the American Jihadist Brotherhood will be particularly heartfelt as martyrdom will be easier and targets more plentiful.
The gangsta awaiting trial is so pleased that his cousin can bring his gun to court and intimidate a juror or two.
The uncle of a murdered girl is so relieved to know her killer will get the death penalty one way or the other when the trial is finally held.
That " extensive" background check is just so thorough. Don't you want to tell everyone what it's like?
12:23 and 10:56... Have you READ the bill? I am going to say "no" based on your responses.
You cannot carry INTO court. Period. That part of the law isn't changing. You may carry UP TO the "unsecured area" of the courthouse, which in Hinds is the metal detector. This law mandates that the court makes available a lockbox (like it does for cops and others) to lock up your weapon. What's the problem?
I am totally against the federal or state registering of guns. The Senate bill we passed was endorsed by the NRA.
Senator, I believe this is a good start, but I would like to see it go a few steps further. I would like the removal of language about open carry.
By MS Const. Art III, Sec 12, the Legislature does not have the authority to regulate open carry of firearms, but puts in 45-9-101 that open carry is not allowed. It's not true. Hopefully this is fixed soon. Thanks for the bill that did come out though.
How does one qualify for a carry permit?
Be 21, no felonies, no misdemeanor domestic violence, pay your tax (i mean, fee...) fill out some paperwork, get fingerprinted...
Google MS Firearm Permit and you will get the form from MS DPS.
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