The American Bar Association issued the following statement.
“Today, the Council of the ABA Section of Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar approved a change in ABA standards affecting the language of requiring law schools to have a ‘valid and reliable’ test. The council amended the recommendation of its Strategic Review Committee and proposed a revised standard to eliminate the requirement for each applicant for the 2025-26 admissions cycle for the 2026-27 entering class. The proposed revision now goes to the ABA House of Delegates (HOD). Under ABA rules and procedures, the HOD, as the policy-making body is known, has a maximum of two opportunities to review a proposed change; it can concur, reject or return with recommendations. But final approval to change ABA Standards and Rules of Procedure for Approval of Law Schools rests with the council, which serves as an independent arm of the ABA for the accreditation of the nation’s law schools. The next HOD meeting is in February 2023 in New Orleans.”
Kingfish note: Translation: The Council voted 15-1 to drop the LSAT.
35 comments:
There will always be a bar exam. (Groan!)
Just what we need. Even lower standards to become a lawyer.
How else can you produce more blood sucking, unqualified impediments, in this “free” country. I think they need to adopt a standard fee schedule, but if this were done correctly, half the bars(the drinking kind) would be forced to close.
Schools can (and should) still require the LSAT. They just are no longer required to require it.
Isn't it true, that some years back, law school grads from Ole Miss were not required to take the bar exam while those from Miss School of Law were?
You get a law degree…..you get a law degree….you get a law degree!!!
3:40 Not lower standards to be a lawyer but lower standards to get in law school. Two different things. Filling empty seats in law schools is one thing. Graduating and passing the state bar is another.
I hear there is this one corner of hell where it's about 100 times hotter than the rest of hell. That's the corner they throw all of the lawyers and car salesmen in.
@4:44, I cannot speak to what were the bar exam requirements relating to Ole Miss Law grads. I know, though, that when Ole Miss had a court reporting school that the graduates for a time were exempt from taking the certification test required by the Mississippi State Board of Court Reporting Examiners.
Compare this to most other professions like medical, CPA, etc…
4:44. Yes. I believe you are correct.
I don’t think Amy Tuck OR her truck could pass it.
LSAT has no bearing on whether or not someone is a good attorney. Also has no relation as to what you learn in law school. As someone who is currently in law school, I can attest.
The Liberal ABA probably decided to get rid of the requirement because of the upcoming SCOTUS decision that will finally end racial discrimination in admissions as eliminating the score requirement will help non-Asian minorities' admissions scores.
How can this be good?
RMQ
Every time I have hired a lawyer I have done my own research and investigations. In one case the lawyer asked one question presented the evidence I provided and tested our case. We won thankfully I negotiated a flat fee. A para legal could have do the same. If you can read and write ( major in English) you 75% of the way to getting a law degree.
Even Chowke could get into law school today without having to use his EEO privilege card.
What would Carlos the Clown do?
4:44 PM. You are correct. It was referred to as the Ole Miss Diploma Privilege.
Yes, 4:44 - and the lasting result has been a state flooded with a bunch of dumb-ass attorneys who ought to be changing oil at the drive-thru erle joint.
This is all about woke social justice oriented admins making it easier to meet their minority quotas. The end.
No driving test is required either. The bar is being lowered for just about everything. It's a libtard dem progressive thing.
The lsat is the last barrier preventing people with average intelligence from going $150,000 in debt to get a $50,000 job.
Yes, it is true that back in the day Ole Miss law school grads were not required to take the Bar exam but Jackson School of Law students were required to do so.
And--the huge law firm I worked for then would not even consider a Jackson School of Law graduate for employment. He could have been a transfer from Harvard and it still wouldn't have happened.
444 that is correct because graduates of the UM school of law wrote the laws.
It was Amy Tuck that got the practice changed.
Yes, Ole Miss had a diploma privilege. It ended in 1984, I think.
The MC School of Law began as a night school. It was acquired by MC and later became accredited. The diploma privilege went away four years after MC took over. I think someone sued, but I'm not that old and don't know the details. For many years, Ole Miss was the only accredited law school.
So "some years back" was nearly 40 years ago. Most lawyers that did not take the bar exam are retired or close to it.
The Next Gen Bar is coming.
Law school is hard, it has to be. Being a lawyer is hard, it has to be. It’s not easy lying repeatedly, to everyone about everything, and keeping those lies straight. It’s hard. 😂😂😂
Go WOKE!
To all you commenters that call us lawyers dumbasses and say we are liars, you must not have had a really serious matter to litigate or you were dissatisfied in the outcome of your matter. There are some lawyers that aren't as bright as others, that is for sure. However, there are many more talented and honest lawyers than you give credit. It is and always has been that lawyers take the brunt of everyone's social opinions, but we are still here to help when you are injured or in trouble. It is not easy to go to law school or graduate and become successful. I stand ready to help the next naysayer that walks through my door, if I can! That is just one honest lawyers opinion and stance.
@9:12 "honest lawyer" is an oxymoron like "jumbo shrimp". Neither exists
@9:12am Lawyers are WAAAAY overpaid, just as physicians. The world is coming to terms with this.
Up until the early 80's in Mississippi if a person worked in and around the law, they could be sponsored to take the bar by a lawyer who had faith in their knowledge. If the candidate passed the bar, they didn't even have to attend law school.
It was the way many of your first women in the state got to be lawyers, in addition to some people that could not afford to pay for law school.
Ole Miss got bent out of shape demanded the practice be stopped because it was denying them a tuition fee. The whole Ole Miss bar exam free degree was a valid point on a number of fronts.
Hopefully job experience will come back into play for a number of professions in the future.
The University system for the most part has turned into an outrageous fraudulent business model, with minimal value to their true and original purpose. Just like most levels of government that so many are a component of.
Then again if you have no rule of law being upheld, and being upheld equally, what in damn hell use is a degree in the law anyway.
When you throw a rock in to a pack of dogs, the one that was hit, yelps. Ain't that right, @9:12?
The only thing that dropping the LSAT requirement can mean is that there are about to be substantial changes to the bar exam. And I don't mean they're about to make it more difficult.
Law school was a strange study, due to both the quality of some of my instructors and the imprecise nature of the subject matter. Unlike many other forms of study, with law, you don't necessarily have a direct answer.....which I found frustrating. However, studying for the bar exam brought all of the 3 years of law school into focus for me.
No, this new position by the ABA can only be a path for the further reduction in the quality of future graduates. Though some have said above, it's the bar exam that will be the final arbiter of whether someone becomes a lawyer, I contend that it's more likely the exams will be changed to accommodate the diminishing qualities of the graduates. Think about it: if a school admits enough people who are clearly unqualified to successfully make it through law school, how is it going to look to prospective students if the school's graduates can't pass the bar? Accordingly, the "bar" will have to be lowered on the bar exam (in the name of equity, of course) to allow otherwise incapable graduates to pass the exam and "save the reputation" of the law schools.
What was once a meritocracy is quickly becoming an idiocracy.
"Every time I have hired a lawyer I have done my own research and investigations. In one case the lawyer asked one question presented the evidence I provided and tested our case. We won thankfully I negotiated a flat fee. A para legal could have do the same. If you can read and write ( major in English) you 75% of the way to getting a law degree."
Based on your comment (i.e. grammar), you obviously cannot do the same.
"@9:12am Lawyers are WAAAAY overpaid, just as physicians. The world is coming to terms with this."
Your take on physicians may be correct, but your take on salary in the legal profession is WAAAAY off. Most attorneys in the area make a comfortable living. However, unless you're working at the large top tier firms, you're not rolling by any means.
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