See comments below at end of post. There are some very good ones.
The JPD has caught hell, some of it from me, on its handling of the George Bell, III disaster, as Heather Spencer had filed assault charges against Bell in June after he savagely beat her with a rubber mallet. After Bell was finally arrested, the JPD released a copy of Ms. Spencer's notarized statement,
http://www.clarionledger.com/assets/pdf/D085309912.PDF, in which Ms. Spencer requests the charges be dismissed and that no further prosecution take place.
JPD has received much criticism in some forums as to why Bell was never arrested for the assault and never spent a day in jail until that tragic day several weeks ago. People are frustrated and outraged over the thought of a man beating his girlfriend within an inch of her life and never seeing a jail cell until he killed her three months later. However, some facts must be pointed out, as well as some further questions that need to be asked.
After beating Ms. Spencer, Bell immediately left the state and eventually went to Mexico. He later entered a treatment center, although it was out of state. It was pointed out to me the police never knew where he was so they could arrest him. He returned from treatment on a Saturday night and the murder occurred on the following Monday. The police never had much of an opportunity to find him in order to arrest him, as the total amount of time he spent in Mississippi between the beating and her death was 48-72 hours.
There is a question as to why there was even a notarized statement. I spoke to Court Services at JPD today and was told usually such a statement is not needed if someone is trying to dismiss a complaint. I was told if one wants charges dismissed that have been filed, then the victim has to go before the judge.
It was told to me by several people who know both the victim and the suspect that almost immediately after the beating and filing of charges, Ms. Spencer went to the judge to get them dropped. If the notarized statement is not necessary, then why did Ms. Spencer get one? I strongly suspect it is because the judge knew what he was looking at and required her to issue one in order to protect himself to some degree. It is also not clear if the charges were dismissed, as shortly after his arrest for killing Heather, he was charged with beating her in June. Thus one must ask if the judge ever did dismiss the charges as they might have still been pending against Bell. The judge might have wanted him picked up first before taking any further action. The law DOES allow for a prosecution if the police have probable cause, which they did in this case.
There are still questions to be answered, and for Heather's family and friends, justice can not move fast enough. However, keep in mind the criminal investigation is STILL ongoing and the case is STILL breaking. I have not made comment on this blog for the most part as I wanted to let things settle down some and see what facts came out before I started kingfishing. IF someone has answers to my questions, I will post them up here. There is not much information coming out from official sources, thus leaving much room for speculation, much of it justified. However, I am not prepared yet to throw JPD under the bus when Bell was not in the state and they did not have much, if any opportunity to take him into custody.
So the questions are:
1. Why did Ms. Spencer provide a notarized statement?
2. Were the charges still pending when Bell murdered Ms. Spencer?
3. Which judge did she see?
Here is some clarification from a comment below:
Anonymous said...
1. That was not an affidavit but a voluntary statement which Heather had apparently typed and got notarized in Rankin County and had no jurisdiction in Hinds County, (JPD)they can not drop charges for JPD and Vice versa.
2.Warrant was valid when he was arrested 9/11/073. Have no clue as to what judge she actual saw if she ever did....
because the warrant was still active when George Bell was arrested.
Correction: You are correct. I have changed the word "affidavit" to "notarized statement". Thanks for the correction. That is another reason I am making these posts and engaging in these discussions. There is alot of speculation and misinformation out there as people want to know the whole story and want to see justice done, but do not know what exactly the truth is. Thanks for the correction.
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Wrestling returns, except this time it will be a Battle Royal with Othor Cain, Ben Allen, Kim Wade, Haley Fisackerly, Alan Lange, and “Big Cat” Donna Ladd all in the ring at the same time. The Battle Royal will be in a steel cage, no time limit, no referee, and the losers must leave town. Marshand Crisler will be the honorary referee (as it gives him a title without actually having to do anything).
Meet KIM Waaaaaade at the Entergy Tent. For five pesos, Kim will sell you a chance to win a deed to a crack house on Ridgeway Street stuffed in the Howard Industries pinata. Don't worry if the pinata is beaten to shreds, as Mr. Wade has Jose, Emmanuel, and Carlos, all illegal immigrants, available as replacements for the it. Upon leaving the Entergy tent, fig leaves will be available in case Entergy literally takes everything you have as part of its Trollfest ticket price adjustment charge.
Donna Ladd of The Jackson Free Press will give several classes on learning how to write. Smearing, writing without factchecking, and reporting only one side of a story will be covered. A donation to pay their taxes will be accepted and she will be signing copies of their former federal tax liens. Ms. Ladd will give a dramatic reading of her two award-winning essays (They received The Jackson Free Press "Best Of" awards.) "Why everything is always about me" and "Why I cover murders better than anyone else in Jackson".
In the spirit of helping those who are less fortunate, Trollfest '09 adopts a cause for which a portion of the proceeds and donations will be donated: Keeping Frank Melton in his home. The “Keep Frank Melton From Being Homeless” booth will sell chances for five dollars to pin the tail on the jackass. John Reeves has graciously volunteered to be the jackass for this honorable excursion into saving Frank's ass. What's an ass between two friends after all? If Mr. Reeves is unable to um, perform, Speaker Billy McCoy has also volunteered as when the word “jackass” was mentioned he immediately ran as fast as he could to sign up.
In order to help clean up the legal profession, Adam Kilgore of the Mississippi Bar will be giving away free, round-trip plane tickets to the North Pole where they keep their bar complaint forms (which are NOT available online). If you don't want to go to the North Pole, you can enjoy Brant Brantley's (of the Mississippi Commission on Judicial Performance) free guided tours of the quicksand field over by High Street where all complaints against judges disappear. If for some reason you are unable to control yourself, never fear; Judge Houston Patton will operate his jail where no lawyers are needed or allowed as you just sit there for minutes... hours.... months...years until he decides he is tired of you sitting in his jail. Do not think Judge Patton is a bad judge however as he plans to serve free Mad Dog 20/20 to all inmates.
Trollfest '09 is a pet-friendly event as well. Feel free to bring your dog with you and do not worry if your pet gets hungry, as employees of the Jackson Zoo will be on hand to provide some of their animals as food when it gets to be feeding time for your little loved one.
Relax at the Fox News Tent. Since there are only three blonde reporters in Jackson (being blonde is a requirement for working at Fox News), Megan and Kathryn from WAPT and Wendy from WLBT will be on loan to Fox. To gain admittance to the VIP section, bring either your Republican Party ID card or a Rebel Flag. Bringing both and a torn-up Obama yard sign will entitle you to free drinks served by Megan, Wendy, and Kathryn. Get your tickets now. Since this is an event for trolls, no ID is required. Just bring the hate. Bring the family, Trollfest '09 is for EVERYONE!!!
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If you get tired come relax at the Fox News Tent. To gain admittance to the VIP section, bring either your Republican Party ID card or a Rebel Flag. Bringing both will entitle you to free drinks.Get your tickets now. Since this is an event for trolls, no ID is required, just bring the hate. Bring the family, Trollfest '07 is for EVERYONE!!!
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There will be a hugging booth where in exchange for your young son, Frank Melton will give you a loooong hug. Trollfest will have a dunking booth where Muhammed the terrorist will curse you to Allah as you try to hit a target that will drop him into a vat of pig grease. However, in the true spirit of Separate But Equal, Don Imus and someone from NE Jackson will also sit in the dunking booth for an equal amount of time. Tom Head will give a reading for two hours on why he can't figure out who the hell he is. Cliff Cargill will give lessons with his .80 caliber desert eagle, using Frank Melton photos as targets. Tackleberry will be on hand for an autograph session. KIM Waaaaaade will be passing out free titles and deeds to crackhouses formerly owned by The Wood Street Players.
If you get tired come relax at the Fox News Tent. To gain admittance to the VIP section, bring either your Republican Party ID card or a Rebel Flag. Bringing both will entitle you to free drinks.Get your tickets now. Since this is an event for trolls, no ID is required, just bring the hate. Bring the family, Trollfest '07 is for EVERYONE!!!
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To answer your question regarding the warrant.....George Bell had a valid warrant for simple assault domestic violence the day he was arrested for the murder of Heather. Those charges were never dismissed or dropped. Perhaps the judge never signed off on those charges.
Heather's room mate was afraid that he was still on scene during the first attack and some officers followed her home and he was not there no one knew his whereabouts until this incident but the warrant was still active. Several guns were recovered from Heather's home that Saturday.
Domestic violence is very serious and there are many womaen that are afraid to leave the perp. because of threats to harm that person or a love one, while others are fooled into believing that the perp. will change or he tells the person how sorry he is and treats them like royalty for a short period of time before starting the cycle of abuse all over again. It huerts tremendously when something like this happens and it makes you step back and ask yourself what could I have done differently and the answer is really nothing because the majority of abused women end right back where they started until they are ready to get out of that situation and many times it's too late.
was my summary/comments correct?
1. That was not an affidavit but a voluntary statement which Heather had apparently typed and got notorized in Rankin County had no jurisdiction in Hinds County, (JPD)they can not drop charges for JPD and Vice versa.
2.Warrant was valid when he was arrested 9/11/07
3. Have no clue as to what judge she actual saw if she ever did....because the warrant was still active when George Bell was arrested.
Thanks. That is one reason I framed it as questions. There has been very little info from JPD and too many people don't have enough experience with the criminal justice system to know how things work. Appreciate it.
MISSISSIPPI CODE OF 1972
As Amended
SEC. 93-21-113. Reporting criminal acts or omissions to law enforcement personnel; filing charges against offender; plea bargaining.
Domestic violence shelters through their employees and officials shall, on every occasion other than the initial request for assistance, report to the district attorney, the county attorney, or the appropriate law enforcement official or other state agencies any occurrence or instance coming to their attention which would involve the commission of a crime or the failure to perform or render a service or assistance to a victim of domestic violence when required by law to do so.
Every county attorney, district attorney or other appropriate law enforcement official who, having had reported to him a case of domestic violence, if the facts submitted be sufficient, shall immediately file charges against the offender on the behalf of the victim. Such prosecutor may in plea bargaining with the offender enter into an agreement whereby the offender shall receive counseling in lieu of further prosecution, and if the offender shall successfully attend counseling as agreed upon for the period of time agreed upon, the county attorney or district attorney, as the case may be, shall pass such case to the file.
No county attorney or district attorney shall grant such right in plea bargaining to the same offender more than once.
SOURCES: Laws, 1983, ch. 502, Sec. 7, eff from and after passage (approved April 12, 1983).
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There's a good chance that if George was arrested on those charges of simple assault dom vio, he would have been given the oppurtunity to attend counseling....which really sucks becasue it does not help the victim at all. It's really a slap in the face because someone who has been abused by the perp gets no justice or one that wants a divorce or just out of the situation and for the perp just to be ordered to attend counceling is beyond me. Have seen many victims whose abuser ends up in counceling only to be beaten again. If you are ever curious about the statues check out www.mscode.com
unfortunately you are all too correct. My ex-g/f's ex husband hit his wife while she was pregnant. In the face, in the front yard. He was arrested. I know because I have a copy of the jail docket. It was in Rankin County. Guess what? He got to do the anger management thing and that was it.
We definitely need to reform our domestic violence laws, and at both the state and municipal level. The idea of counseling as a sole response to violent physical assault in any context, much less a context that limits the victim's agency to the degree that domestic violence can, is ridiculous.
Unfortunately there is not much to do in cases such as these.Women like Heather get involved with these seemingly charming men, who turn out to be addicted to control.These men know they have landed someone special, and are scared to death that they are going to loose her.When they feel they are loosing control, they snap, scaring the woman into not leaving.After one violent attack, the threats become real, and the victim is scared to death for herself, her family, and her friends.A restraining order is only a sheet of paper.It cannot and will not stop these men whose mentality is "if I can't have her, no one will".I don't know what the solution is, but I do know that these women need protection.Most can't afford to leave the state.I guess if these animals were to have their hands and **** severed, they may have to learn to step out of the room, take some deep breaths, count to ten...This punishment would still not compare to the pain some of these women have endured.Just a suggestion from a surviving victim who will live in fear the rest of her life, or his.
WHERE is our protection? Why do we have to brutally murdered to gain someones attention to our needs. When we are dead it is too late. Who cares if we get attention then. Why does the system protect the abuser????
Great question! Is anyone in the "system" out there that could answer this? I would love to hear an answer from those who protect. My ex did steriods which completely changed his personality. He became very irritable, strong and extremely aggressive and arrogant. When law enforcement officers were called to my house, I would often look at their bulked up bodies and wonder if they were using these mood altering enhancement drugs also. Out of the 10+ times they were called to our home, never once was I asked if I wanted to press charges. They would just make him promise to leave until he cooled off. One time I was dragged by my hair into my closet where he grabbed me by the neck with one hand and my hair with the other and beat my head against the wall. He didn't understand that the several invitations that were in my email inbox were nothing but junk mail that I would not have even opened. You know the ones, "Hi, I'm Chuck. Why don't you call me sometime?", would be in the subject line, and when you opened it, there would be a link to a porn sight or something similar. One of the idiots that came to my "rescue" when my neighbor heard me and called 911, talked to my husband first. Then he approached me and told me that my husband was going to leave until he cooled off. He told me that he would be angry with his wife if he had found what my husband found. He obvoiusly is just as computer challenged as my husband. Unfortunately, anyone who has email gets junk mail. Sorry, I got carried away. My point was that maybe many of these law enforcement officers who are bulking up with these mood altering steriods don't see much wrong with a man "punishing" his wife this way. I don't mean to offend anyone, because I know there are some great officers whose heart is in the right place, but there are some crooked ones as well. Just an observation, again, I don't won't to offend anyone.
I'm sure that there are some law enforcement officers that perhaps take steroids but that's not a fact, usually the agency conducts random drug testing. If you have your doubts make your request known to that agency's internal affairs division so that a drug test is conducted.
You are right there are many good officers as well as crooked ones, it's. It's sad to say but when you're dealing with domestic violence and the police responds more than likely what happens is that if male officers respond they can relate to the male not the situation first, then the situation, a female officer in many cases is more sensitive to the female. Mississippi law requires that someone is removed from the home,in the event that the officer can not make a determination who the agressor is, if there's no signs of physical abuse, no signs of a struggle that would give that officer probale cause to make an arrest if none of those factors are there it's really a judgement call on the officer's part. You have every right to a report if that's your choice but in the event that the officers allows the guy to leave no report is atken unless you say hey, I want to file charges then a report is necessary.
Back to the steroids.....there are some that lift weights and put on the bulk.
I your post you stated that out of the 10+ times that officers were called to your home, if an officer has responded to your home in regards to domestic vio something should be done on the agency's aprt as well as on your part, the steroids has nothing to do with someone becoming abusive unless there are other factors involved like other drugs or perhaps something that person was going through at that time. Perhaps that personality was there all along. The use of steroids is not a very good defense to say that it alter that person's personality....if that person was violent towards you and lets just say the steroids were to blame, he would also be violet towards other people if it alter his personality......Steroids used with a combination of drugs perhaps will have an effect I'm sure but not steroids did you know that many preemies have been given steroids as well as many sick children for different medical conditions but none produced personality changes......
Sorry, I will disagree with you.
Quite a few cops do steroids. Its not a rumor, its not a question, its a fact. I've worked out in gyms long enough to know. When you see someone who gains 30 lbs of muscle VERY quickly and just happens to have acne all over his back among other signs and his friends just happen to be roid heads, then its a pretty good bet that he is doing roids.
Also, I've known enough women that were married to or dated cops and after awhile I hear the same complaints. Controlling. Abusive. etc. Not all cops are like that of course, but quite a few of them are to say the least. and when you f with them, they know how to avoid prosecution or make you pay for it.
To answer anonymous's question, "where is our protection?" It is a sad fact there's only so much taht an officer can do in domestic vio situations, while you are home getting assaulted, someone has to make that call, you can't, perhaps your neighbor will call or if there are kids in the home maybe they will dial 911 after the assault he might leave, if he leaves, you call 911, the officer responds and there are signs of abuse, the officer takes your complaint, asks where's the perp, you don't have a clue, the officer ask any known hang out spots or friends that he'll run too...You don't have a clue. The officer gives you a case card, tells you what steps to take, file charges etc etc. Now keep in mind that this is a grown man, there's no amount of paper that's going to stop a grown person from doing what he/she has their mind set to do. If you are in an abusive relationship start making plans to get out because you can't rely on someone getting to you in time to maybe save your life. You have to take the necessary action to help you as well because there's not an officer anywhere that can protect you if you don't help protect yourself. Do you know how many officers make arrests for dom vio only to drive by a few days later and the perp car is back in the driveway and he waves at you as you drive by then a few days later that same officer resonds back to that same address for the same situation. An Officer can give a person the best advice on the world but if that person doesn't take heed that person is not helping the situation, the officer can find a shelter but the victim goes back home. Don't get me wrong there are some that actual leave but there are many who stay for their own reasons. Ity usually takes an officer about 5-10 minutes to respond to a call depending on all factors, traffic, how far away etc...so please don't wait for help to come to you start making those plans to get out if you are in that situation. As you said when you are dead it's too late for attention.
another thing. It is so easy to file charges in MS, that alot of people who are going to get divorced start filing domestic violence charges over the smallest of contact trying to get an edge in divorce court and the cops get sick of it.
I'm sure their are some that takes steroids I know that Jackson conduct random drug testing. My nephew has always been bulky and he lifts weights faithfully and they thought he was using steroids so he has taken several drug test within the last few months as well as some other officers.
Now as far as the officers beig aggressive, controling I really think that's an ego thing (I have a gun and badge kinda thing) Many are controlling but when you look at the job itself, many officers don't know how to leave the job behind at the end of their shift instead it goes home with them and the same way they interact on the streets is the same way they'll react at home.
I know a lot of officers that changed once they got the badge and gun so it's like 50/50 steroids and ego......
by the way, remember when the Mad. Cen. qb was busted for steroids? He got off because he was "cooperating". How many other people have been busted in connection with that incident?
I don't juice and I am big from lifting weights. However, there are tell tale signs if you know what to look for. You don't gain 30 lbs or so of muscle in 6 weeks from diet and exercise alone.
anonymous,I would encourage you to do a little research on anabolic steroid use. You sound like my ex, in denial. I have done my homework, because, I like Heather wanted to know as much as I could about this drug my husband was abusing. I guess I thought that if I knew more,I could help him. I finally realized that I could not help him unless he worked with me, and as an addict, didn't think there was a problem. All he knew is that he was getting bigger, stronger, and invinsible. Luckily, I survived, sweet Heather did not. I'll save you 10 minutes of research and let you in on the facts of steroids. Abuse, inadequate, or overuse of anabolic steroids can cause the following behavioral side effects: extreme irritability and aggression, paranoia, hostility, mania, delusions, depression, schizophrenia, and impaired judgement(which stems from feelings of invincibility). They also increase the risk of the following behaviors: robbery, theft, vandalism, burglary, homicide, and other drug use. Also, most steriod abusers are not just hostile toward their spouces, but live on edge, just looking for anyone to give him a reason to prove he is tough. Have you never heard the stories of the common, mild-mannered, friendly, outgoing, loveable high school athlete who begins using steroids to enhance performance and eventually ends up pumping iron in the pen because of "roid rage"? Yes, you are right. Steroids do have there place in medicine, but only when taken properly and under the care of a licensed medical practitioner. To get the results that these guys are craving, they sometime are using 100 times the amount that would be used to treat medical conditions. I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I just feel very passionate about this topic and think that everyone needs to know the facts. This is a serious problem and should not be overlooked or undermined.
Let me go on record as saying that I don't know anything about steroids. This last post is very enlightening. So with that being said, how do you get this stuff? Jesus! Do you have to buy it off the street? Internet? Can you get a legitimate presription for it? I just don't understand how something that's so apparently abusive...and psychotropic...can be so easily accessible. Somebody fill me in here. This is crazy.
To from the rez to set the record straight, I have done my share of research regarding steroids and such and as if you will please re-read what I have written because I did not deny the use of steroids but did say that if used with other drugs will a have an effect, as a law enforcement officer our agency performs many drug related incidents. There are some officers that bodybuilds and having been doing so for years and put on the bulk without the use of steroids. Many frequent GNC for products to enhance stamina, to say that steroids caused this person to behave this way or that is a cop out when a lot of these people were already abusive and perhaps it's just a side that you had not seen until the steroids.
When I said it's 50/50 steroids and ego, you would have to be in law enforcement to perhaps understand that one,some people before they join the force are quiet, easy-going etc but when they put the badge and gun on the ego steps in and they are agressive and controling as well but have never taken steroids.....
You can never help another person whose not ready for help!
I take my job very serious, moreso when it come to domestic vio, regardless what the abuser is on that's not a good defense to blame it on the steroids becasue if you feel that way, it's like saying it's o k that person is normally not like this, he would never abuse me. Which is my whole point, whatever reasons that a person might have, it does not justify harming another human being.
In regards to Heather, If GB(3) was in a moment of rage, there would have been more victims so that to me is not a good defense maybe for his attorney but not in my eyesight. It gives his defense a much better chance to not serving time in prison for people to say that steroids are to blame when in fact it was GB(3) who took it upon himself to take these drugs and to take it upon himself to commit the crimes that he did, Steroids did not put 57 staples in Heathers head and it did not take her life, Geaorge Bell (3) did and then after taking her life was such a coward and could not take his own if he was in such a rage to harm someone, he had enough time and oppurtunity to do those things but he did not so. Please for every victim that has gone through or is going through something stop looking for excuses to help the perp becasue you can't unless that person is truly ready for help and many times they will lie to you to regain that trust but wht stay in a rollercoaster relationship where you end up as the punching bag? Domestic vio comes in many forms be it physical, verbal as well as mental abuse and even financial, if he's making the money and the person is a stay home mom, he controls that person. It's not alwasy easy to leave but you have to make plans to survive and I tell every person that I talk to when I arrive, do you know how hard it is to convience a person to leave what they feel is their comfort zone, many prefer to stay and if the guy or female is arrested, who do you think bails them out, you guess it the victim. You have to know when enough is enough and no one can tell you when you just have to know.
I think that if GB(3) attorney gets a couple of people on the jury that feels as you do about steroids and their effect on a persons personality, George will be a free man and believe me, his attorney will search for people who believe as you do regarding steroid abuse and how it alters a person normal behavior any drug when taken inapproiately will have some effect on a person.
I further think that to say that steroids is solely responsible for another person's actions is not true, that person was violent from the very start as GB(3) and many others.
To: From the rez, For the record GB(3) not only used steroids but he had a cocaine addiction that's why he was in rehab. It's a tragic that this happened but it happens everday all over the world and when does it stop..... it's no easy answers. Years ago my roommate was in an abusive realationship, he seemed like the perfect guy we were stationed in germany and many night he would spend the night, well one night they had just got back in and there was an agrument and I felt in my heart that the guy was going to hit her and sure enough he did, I jumped up and ran to get the guy that was on duty by the time I got back, the guy was gone and the very next day my roommate told me taht her boyfriend never hit her but he had and she had a swollen eye to prove, I talked to her about it and she chose tos stay in that relationship until one day they fought and she ended up leaving him. Sometimes when friends and family reach out teh victim protects the abuser.
I also think that when steroids are used for what they are intended for it works well but when they are abused with other drugs it ahs an effect. I also feel taht the person is responsible no matter what for their actions not steroids or cacaine becasue that was a choice that they chose to do. A life is gone and Heather's not coming back and to give the abuser such lead way and excuses is crazy oh but that's his defense "temp insane due to steroids"
If society does not open their eyes and stop making excuse after excuse for these people domestic violence will stay on the rise as well as domestic violence homicides. stop covering for these guys and some females. Be it he lost his job, this happened or that happened if a person accepts the excuses or reasons taht they give to justify the abuse it will continue it happen. You can't change another human being, once an abuser normaly is always an abuser, there are signs, you just how to know that it's not going to get any better maybe for a little while, a new job, relocation that person is use to controlling.
It's not an easy task because tehre are a lot of victims out there some are too afraid to do anything and then there are some that stay for whatever reasons. Some fear that the abuser will harm them or a loved one and they chose to stay.
When I was about 18, I was crazy about this guy and I thought he was crazy about me, well one night I slipped out teh window and we went riding with some more friends, we were dropped off at his house and ended up having sex, in the middle of having sex this guy his me with his fist and we fought because I was not raise to allow someone to hit me and I knew then that he was crazy, actually I knew he had a problem before hand but chose to ignore it believing that oh, I'm a good peson he'll change, yeah things change in a minute, He told me that he would keep me there so I pretended to just love him and I told him take me home. That lasted for almost an hour, finally when he got close to my house, we were sitting in the car and I had told him the relationship was over and he said no it's not so I said yeah it is and this guy puts a gun to my head and said becasue I love you so much I will kill you and no one will find your body. I did not panic and I told him that I loved him and to walk me to my window well after he calmed down and put teh gun away he walked me to my window and once I climbed back inside, I told him I never wnated to see him again or I would wake my dad, he was afraid of my dad. For years I lived in fear that he would hurt my family evne after joing the military, he ended up going to prison for about 15 years and once I was out of the military I had to face my fear and I did, I still avoid contact with him because he's still the same, right to this day my family does not know that this happened. I thank God every day that I was able to walk away.
I donated,
All of this information can be found on the web. Some great sites are nida.nih.gov and drugabuse.gov. Anabolic steroid used for body building are illegal in most countries, but are freely available in the nearby Mexico, as well as Thailand. Just as cocaine must be purchased from dealers or smuggled into the US, so does anabolic steroids. You can go to the Courthouse, or any local gym, usually in the free weights and befriend a user. Once you built his trust, I'm sure he will share with you his source. If you want to take the risk and have someone mail them to you from Mexico or Thailand, that would be another option. More than likely it would make it without getting noticed unless is was a very large quantity. You can recognize these guys in the gym fairly easily. They are very quick to bulk-up, often have acne, look "puffy" from fluid retention, hairloss from male-pattern baldness (my guess is that this is why they often shave their heads), and enlarged breast, as these are physically visible side effects of steroids. Some other side effects include liver damage, heart damage, and hypertension. I agree, it is crazy.
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He is a total nut job. I have read several interview before. Just a total meathead. Has been in trouble with the law quite a few times.
Then there was Alex last year, the 2006 overall Southern Classic Winner who within a few weeks was arrested at Whitfield trying to find his g/f who had filed charges against him. He was the one with the gun who was the subject of the manhunt in the news last year.
To: From the Rez,
being in law enforcement, I can't speak for all but the ones that i know lifts weight honestly, I admit there are some that perhaps uses steroids and I agree they are committing a crime as well.
I know that when a person leaves an abusive relationship there's always a reminder of that past life and I'm glad that you got out in time, my hats off to you but there are so many others that don't make it out.
To From the Rez,
I know that there's a lot of pressure in society or the community in which one lives about how they perceive the person to be such as the perfect family, so to speak, no one likes anyone to actually know what goes on behind those doors, if the abuser is a very well respected person in the community, the victimm is helpless and doesn't want anyone to know that this is going on and as you said the fear or the abuser harming you or your children is there it's really a no win situation because that person has that much control over another person. I truly don't feel that there's enough done in regards to domestic vio adn as you said the use of steroid abuse is on the rise perhaps something will be done in that regards.i'm glad that you got out because your children would have been exposed to that behavior and the cycle would start with them being abusive towards others or them becoming victims.
I try to tell women who I talk to about domestic abuse the freedom that you feel after you get out of the relationship is like Heaven. The road to getting out is long and unpleasant, and, as another comment said, must be planned. You don't just tell him your leaving. As I said, the one person I told leaked my secret to my mom one night when she called to talk to me and my husband wouldn't let her. She could hear it in his voice that I was not going to be safe if I didn't leave right away. My parents came to my rescue. Yes, I was so humiliated. I did not want my parents to know what he had been doing to me and I did not want to be the problem child.I was an adult now who was raise with very high standard and values. I did not want my parents to think they had done a poor job at raising me, because they are awesome people. I didn't want to be a burden on anyone. Also, I know how people talk. I could just hear it, "Can you believe it, she and her children are living at her parents house! What a looser." I thank my friend who went behind my back as well as my parents every day. To come home after work each day knowing that I don't have to tolerate him, is a feeling I can't describe. It's a peaceful freedom. No more anxiety as I pull into my neighborhood. No more walking on pins and needles. No more sleepless nights trying to hold back tears so my kids wouldn't see my pain. Now my kids, ages 3 and 5, and I can enjoy one another. What I'm still trying to uncover is what could someone have said to me to get me to leave. If I could answer this question, I think I could be more beneficial in helping women in this situation. I believe we all need to be more aware of what goes on next door. I'm not saying to be nosey, I just think we could all be better listeners. Pay very close attention if you have a friend who begins to avoid social situations or events, who acts differently when she is in the presence of her b/f or husband, seems depressed and even a little paranoid or skittish, avoids talking about her husband or relationship, and the biggest clue - bruises and/or soreness. Let her know that she can trust you, you love her, and will do anything for her. Try to get her alone, like taking her to lunch or inviting her over to help you do some decorating. Anything that would not look suspicious to her husband would be an option. If you have some family secret that you could share with her that may be humiliating, she may be compelled to share her secret. Trust her with your secrets so she will trust you with hers. Whether Heather was in a consistantly abusive relationship with George and never reveal it to anyone or the two situations that have been made public were the only displays of his abusive nature, I pray that Heather's imperishable spirit will motivate others to sacrafice being embarrassed and humiliated, being a burden to others, being the topic of local gossip, or whatever else is holding them back, and tell someone that they are in an abusive relationship and need help getting out.
To: from the Rez,
I agree with you wholeheartedly, you know domestic vio does not discriminate against anyone, being in Law Enforcement, I a friend who happens to be a cop and she's in an abusive realtionship,I ask her all the time how can you tell others to leave when you are where they are and I know that she's afraid of the guy, she has bruises from time to time but she brushes it off. There are some female cops that are in abusive realationships, one came to work with a blackeye and the perp was arrested but guess she would not file charges on the guy. It effects everyone.
I'm glad that you found your peace and you are able to love your kids so that they can feel that love and not the fear to love. sometimes God uses special people to do certain things and I feel that he chose Heather to show us just how precious life is and to make us more aware of situations. I feel that she's in a much better place, had she lived and stayed with GB(3), it could have been worst everyday, so God gave her everlasting peace from the cruelty of that guy. I could go on and on when it comes to dom vio but we had to continue to make the problem known and not just something that gets a quick fix.
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