Wednesday, April 12, 2023

Trash Talk: It's Time to Ruuuummmmblllle

 The Jackson City Council is meeting right now to discuss the garbage crisis.  The meeting is live-streamed below.  Enjoy. 

*  Councilman Kenneth Stokes is not present at the meeting.

*  The timid trio of Lee, Lindsay, and Grizzell urged the Council to drop all court fights with Mayor Lumumba. 

* City Attorney Tori Martin said MDEQ does not require permits for companies engaged in solid waste collection.  

* Councilman Banks argued for hiring a contractor for 90 days while issuing a new RFP for twice a week, "cartless" garbage service scored by an independent company.  

Mayor Lumumba said "I can't create a garbage company that is willing and can do this within a 90 day period of time."  He said Richard's Disposal is the only one who can perform such a service right now.  He said her could not force the company to do so.  

The Mayor disagreed with using a third-party evaluator.  He said the Council's attorney reviewed the original RFP and found it was compliant.  Hizzoner said he will accept the Court's decision Monday but reminded the Council that Richard's Disposal sued the city.  

Ms. Martin said Richard's Disposal refused to enter into a 90-day agreement months ago.  

* Councilman Hartley reminded the Council that Richard's Disposal operated for a year without a valid contract and violated FAA regulations when it parked its trucks at Hawkins Field.  He said "I, under no circumstances, am willing to give them a one year contract.  They have sued us twice.  I worked for MDEQ in solid waste management for 13 years covering 17 counties."  

* Mr. Grizzell said JPS told him it must pay higher garbage fees since citizens are placing garbage in its dumpsters. 

*. Mr. Banks moved to strike the MDEQ requirement from his resolutions.  The motion passed. 

* Mr. Grizzell moved to replace "90 days" with "12 months" in Mr. Banks'  resolution.  The motion failed on a 3-3 vote. 

* Mayor Lumumba said he chose not to argue although he disagreed with Mr. Hartley's analysis.  He said MDEQ found no violation when Richard's Disposal parked its trucks at Hawkins Field.  He said he has always obeyed orders of the Court although he may have a "different interpretation" of a court order.  

* Comment of the day: "I don't want this to turn into a circus" by Councilwoman Angelique Lee.  

* Mr. Banks said he wanted to know how "my colleagues" felt about a six-month emergency contract.  Ms. Martin said the company refused such a term.  It will only agree to a one-year term.  

* 90-day resolution failed on a 3-3 vote. 

* MDEQ resolution failed on a 3-3 vote. 

* The Council voted to go into Executive Session to discuss pending litigation. 


74 comments:

Next? said...

Numero 18

Anonymous said...

Well, where is the video?

Jane said...

Soooooooo, Chokwe's refusal to follow the law has put Richard's in the catbird suite. Thanks, you disgusting piece of crap.

Anonymous said...

AMEN Grizell... We have so much more business, We are putting Jackson further behind in getting developments to come here.. Have some TACK!!!

Anonymous said...

VOte Vote Vote Vote.. Banks what are you doing!!!!

Anonymous said...

Do they really do the opening prayer and Pledge of Allegiance?

Anonymous said...

Tack? What in hell does that mean?

Anonymous said...

The most telling piece of this is the Mayor's quick refusal of a third party evaluator because the City Attorney already found it "compliant." What a crock of shite.

Anonymous said...

I have never seen anyone more fond of the sound of their own voice. This is not always a bad thing if the person speaking has something meaningful and productive to say, but...

Anonymous said...

why does he always say right? Bottom line is to me was the cart included in the RFP as a requirement. If it was not then Richard's should be excluded.

Anonymous said...

MAIR: "From my best judgement..and that may not mean a lot"

Anonymous said...

“When a clown moves into the palace, he doesn’t become a sultan. The palace becomes a circus.” -- An old Turkish proverb

Anonymous said...

The lawyer for the city is the most annoying person in the world. She thinks she knows everything.

Anonymous said...

lol, City of Jacson could do residential garbage collection cheaper than private contractors? What could go wrong?

Anonymous said...

Like watching a toilet flush.

Anonymous said...

Show!! Show!!! What the helk is Foote doing????? Govt Take Over Is Coming To City Near You!!! Come Get It Tatar Tot!!!

Anonymous said...

Mayor and these three council members sure do want to bend over for a trash company that’s sued their city. TWICE

Anonymous said...

1:27, the garbage issue is not preventing the City from getting any developments to come here. The failing schools, skyrocketing crime, crumbling infrastructure, lack of consistent running water, and a dictator Mayor are what is preventing any developments from coming to Jackson.

Anonymous said...

I am impressed with Vernon Hartley. Wish he’d run for mayor.

Anonymous said...

Clown show in da wheelhouse as per usual!

Anonymous said...

If you are able to leave Jackson, this is the last call. Who in the world would want to buy a home inside the city limits after this?
It’s over. We are all in trouble. Our homes are worthless now. Thanks baby choke. Waited too long to get out.

Anonymous said...

No part of that shithole city functions as it should, and the chances of that changing are approaching less than zero.

Anonymous said...

Remember, when when something goes wrong in the circus, they send in the clowns to distract the audience.

Well, something has gone very wrong with this circus and the clowns are everywhere!

Anonymous said...

Unfriggingbelievable. How many times did Tori Martin interrupt? How many times did she snicker audibly at Banks and Hartley? How many times did she misrepresent facts from the city’s meeting with MDEQ today? Why did the council not have anyone at that meeting? Why wasn’t anybody prepared to have an official representative of DEQ at this council meeting to say what really went down? Was that at the behest of the mayor? Is it true that the mayor forbids any contact between councilmen and employees or officers of the Public Works Department? If so, why? Has the City of Jackson’s government ever in its history been this inefficient, ineffective, and unprepared from one day to the next to deliver basic services?

Tori Martin almost makes Lumumba look half credible, and that is a tall task. I was literally screaming profanities every time she interrupted to tell Foote, Hartley, and Banks what DEQ said or didn’t say, what the court will or won’t do Monday, what RD will or won’t negotiate. Lee is almost as bad. Seriously, when Chokwe Antar has to chime in to correct them, you know you can believe EXACTLY none of what they’re saying. Virgi, you can STFU too.

They pack the room to boo and harass Hartley because he recognizes and doesn’t want to cave to the mayor’s pressure tactics, and that same room gives the mayor a pass for doing nothing but employ those very tactics to the bitter end.

Jackson will look like a nuclear bomb has been dropped on it by the time Lumumba’s term is up. He is the exemplar of a man with no plan and no vision, always 10 steps behind the crisis of the moment because he has zero qualities of an actual leader.

The sun comes up tomorrow. That’s pretty much our only hope.

Anonymous said...

@2:03 she is so unprofessional and out of control that even Antar should be embarrassed. Any minute now, my lengthy tirade about her and this shitshow should pop up.

Anonymous said...

Only a court of law judge can give us a path to a fix. The mayor inhabits his own self concocted Twighlight Zone. By the April 17th hearing, Richard's may be desperate hungry for work and may take a 90 day deal.

We should each one of us daily ascribe infantile psychosis to Lil Choke and ask him to leave the post where he so despises his duty.

Anonymous said...

The level of absolute Hell that it would be to try to herd these cats...my god.

Madenning. The level of immaturity, lack of common sense and decency. From "leaders" no less.

Just incomprehensible how socially reprehensible the city has become. How far and fast they have fallen. Good luck Jackson. Sheesh.

Anonymous said...

We've moved into trench warfare at this point.

Anonymous said...

Well, I see it took they mayor all of about two minutes into his press conference after the meeting to say that it all boils down to the folks in Northeast Jackson don't want a black owned company to have a contract. Sigh.

Anonymous said...

In my line of the private sector, if a customer sues me, they are no longer a customer. The relationship is terminated. Richards suing the COJ should be a red flag, yet the mayor is pushing harder for them. This is pure insanity.

Anonymous said...

I am glad Jackson has plenty of disposable money on hand to pay the horde of attorneys (15 or more) at huge hourly rates. Thank goodness there are no other issues needing attention.

Anonymous said...

I have no doubt that we will look back one day and see the trash debacle as quaint and frivolous. That’s how bad is has yet to become.

Anonymous said...

Mayor says "We don't have the equipment/staff to pick up trash, right?" EPA/DOJ/MSDH/MDEQ says "Jackson doesn't have the equipment/staff to provide drinking water, repair sewer overlfows, etc., right?" Travelling public says "Jackson doesn't have equipment/staff to fix potholes, right?" Can't fight crime either, right?

Mayor! Please tell us what your administration can do, besides run your mouth, right? And please don't blame the City Council for all of the above, right!

Anonymous said...

A person could waste a lot of time going point by point and refuting things the mayor and his Inane Clown Posse stated on the record, but at this point that dessn't matter at all.

I'm including the mayor's solid voting bloc on the council in the Inane Clown Possee.

Anonymous said...

"Ms. Martin said Richard's Disposal refused to enter into a 90-day agreement months ago."

With all due respect to Ms Martin, I find this hard to believe. The 90 day emergency extension was not even proposed by Councilman Banks until just a few days ago. Why would the Mayor or Ms Martin be talking to Richards about a 90 day extension "months ago" ? At that time, Richards was still working under the 1 year emergency agreement, and both Richards and the Mayor thought the Mayor had figured out a way to shaft the Council and force them into signing a full 6 year contract by the Mayor waiting until the last day of the emergency agreement to submit a new 6 year proposal.

At this point, I don't believe anything that the Mayor or Ms Martin says.

Anonymous said...

2:15 said "Mayor and these three council members sure do want to bend over for a trash company that’s sued their city. TWICE"

And I wonder why ? If someone sued me not once but twice, I wouldn't want to have anything to do with that person or company any more. The fact that they still want to do business with a company that has sued them twice causes even more reason to think something fishy/illegal is going on here.

Anonymous said...

Okay, folks, the executive session accomplished NOTHING. RD FAILED to get a 12-month emergency contract. We’re down to Metrocenter from 8-2 Thursday and Friday. Can’t even drive the 50 miles to the city’s landfill in Byram and pay their per square inch fee because Antar belatedly found out it’s NOT LICENSED to accept household waste.

Per WLBT, the 4 dumpsters set up in Ward 1 have been shut down. The dumpsters haven’t been emptied (but that’s not stopping people from dumping even more garbage at those sites.

CAN YOU MAKE THIS SHIT UP?

Anonymous said...

I've lived in Belhaven for 28 years now, known Virgi for about 20-25 of those, and considered her a friend. But I am so disappointed in her over this issue. She doesn't seem to recognize the horrible precedent she is setting if she allows the Mayor to get away with the stunts he has pulled in order to steer this contract to Richards. If the Mayor is allowed to get away with this, then he will do this in every RFP process and for every contract. The Council will be neutered, pointless, and have no say any more. She is effectively cancelling herself and the rest of the Council, and either doesn't see it or doesn't care. She can't truly believe that the way the Mayor has handled this is appropriate. She seems scared to death of the Mayor. It's so disheartening, and sadly I will never vote for her again.

Anonymous said...

Problem with a court of law is it would most likely be found in Hinds county. I have lived and worked in local City planning and management all over the country and no where is anywhere close to what is found in Jackson. State and Federal government should have taken over long time ago. I guess Biden protects the current Mayor.

Anonymous said...

“Are you not entertained! Are you not entertained! Is this not why you are here!”
Maximus Decimus Meridius

I've Said It Before said...

April 12, 2023 at 3:41 PM

I agree. But I think this diagnosis also fits the facts:

"The Dunning-Kruger effect effect occurs when a person's lack of knowledge and skills in a certain area cause them to overestimate their own competence."

Accessed on: https://thedecisionlab.com/biases/dunning-kruger-effect

Anonymous said...

@4:46 Never once have I heard him say what CAN be done. He is not a CAN DO, WILL DO kinda guy.

Anonymous said...

“ Problem with a court of law is it would most likely be found in Hinds county. I have lived and worked in local City planning and management all over the country and no where is anywhere close to what is found in Jackson. State and Federal government should have taken over long time ago. I guess Biden protects the current Mayor.
April 12, 2023 at 5:26 PM”


This will end up in Mississippi Supreme Court and the mayor will lose. Again

Anonymous said...

@5:20 YES, Virgi has worn out her welcome on this. It’s pathetic. She’s got to go. Along with Lumumba, grizzel, and Lee. The only voices of reason in the room are Banks, Hartley, and Foote …. and they are NOT taking the easy road at all. Lumumba will burn his bully pulpit down castigating them. It’s just beyond incomprehensible.

Anonymous said...

4:17 said "Well, I see it took they mayor all of about two minutes into his press conference after the meeting to say that it all boils down to the folks in Northeast Jackson don't want a black owned company to have a contract. Sigh."

Please tell me this isn't true and that the Mayor didn't say this. This is not about race, Mayor. This is about your trying to steer the contract to Richards from Day 1. This is about the majority of the Council and residents not wanting carts, but yet you're refusing to submit the bid with no carts which would probably pass. You forget that 3 of the Council members voting against this (Hartley, Stokes,and Banks) are not from Northeast Jackson. And you forget that the three of them are also BLACK, but yet they too are still voting against Richards. If this has anything to do with race, it's because you said form the very start that you wanted the contract to go to a black-owned company, not Waste Mgmt who you perceived as being a white-owned company, when in fact the majority of the subcontractors of Waste Mgmt were black-owned. You and only you are the only one to have made this about race. My God, you are a sick, sick man.

Anonymous said...

@ 5:20 - In that case, why post anonymously? If you've known her as a friend all this time, isn't it time to have a little "Come To Jesus reality moment" with her?

It's not about your refusing to vote for her in the future. It's ABOUT your facing her and convincing her how wrong her position is.

Unknown said...

@4:555 DING DING DING cannot believe one word either of them utters. Even if I hadn’t known that for years, it would have been crystal clear 5 minutes into this shitshow. Oh and Antar spitting out his Bar # and talking about being an officer of the court was such a JOKE. He’s not practicing law in front of the court, but he thinks everybody is supposed to believe all his bullshit.

Anonymous said...

Grizell is a joke and an incompetent JPS employee.

Lee's campaign was shadow financed by the mayor. This city is so corrupt.

Virgi is a complete disappointment--she will be voted out over this.

Anonymous said...

Well my house value just dropped by another 20,000

Anonymous said...

@5:32 Lamumbalot can be accurately described as an unconscious incompetent. Most dangerous type of an idiot, one that doesn’t realize how stupid they are.

Anonymous said...

Everytime Chowke says "right?" Virgi et al fall under his trance. Right?

Anonymous said...

@5:32pm
Diagrams of Dunning-Kruger show an evolution from (underqualified + overconfident) through (shame and self realization) into (learning and competency).

Our mad marxist mayor is too much a self absorbed psycho, like Nero and Caligula, to ever feel shame nor any empathy to those he hurts and insults. He has no sense of responsibility or duty. He is a tyrant with no redeeming qualities, other than bloviating, obfuscating.

Anonymous said...

Another elephant in the room: any more contacts with other vendors about to expire????

Anonymous said...

5:20 nails it. Virgi is at best naive, but some of us think that she is just Baby Chock's bitch

Anonymous said...

5:20, put up or shut up. If you know her that well, call her up, and ask her why she is carrying Antar's crap. Then report what she says to the rest of us.

Anonymous said...

I don't know who or what to believe at this point. It's taking productive arguments and moved to personal attacks. My only question is in regard to the emergency order, the mayor is constantly stating Richard's is the only contractor with trucks, people, etc to do an emergency order, but why do we not seek another bid for an emergency. Given time is a factor and cost, but if were truly incurring 25k daily or whatever it is, how unreasonable is it to reach out to other contractors to bid for a 90 day agreement, if Richards has indicated it would not be interested in such an agreement. Trucks can drive from New York to Mississippi overnight, companies can hire people on the spot. Hell lets even give that argument the benefit of doubt, it would take a company like WM to be ready for curbside pick up in a matter or what a week.... We've wasted that much time debating a matter the mayor and everyone knew would fail when immediately we could have started looking for bids on emergency, and all this time enccruing costs at a rate higher than any company would ever charge us. Give another company the consideration to do the emergency service and allow this to settle itself out. At this point Richard's is moot and we have to consider other options, the fact that were not is dumbfounding to me. 100% if you put another company at an emergency agreement the council would vote them in.

Anonymous said...

6:07 referred to WM having mostly minority subcontractors... let's not forget that WM's hard working drivers and loaders are also minority? Have you heard anything about these workers being hassled while doing their jobs in NE Jackson? I also suspect that many of these WM employees also have investments in WM as part of benefits...

No, Mr Mayor, you just want Richards to get the deal for something more than service... and the Bold New City is becoming the Old, Smelly, Corrupt City... just like Detroit, right??

Anonymous said...

I think the term some commenters are searching for is "grandiose narcissist." I think Lumumba checks all the boxes.

- Arrogant or haughty behavior
- Exaggerated stories or accomplishments
- A tendency to domineer conversations or belittle other people's opinions
- An obsession with money, power, and prestige
- Anger when confronted about negative behaviors
- A need for excessive attention or praise
- A lack of remorse or guilt when they hurt someone
- An inability to accept criticism
- An inflated sense of entitlement

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-grandiose-narcissism-7112083

Anonymous said...

And so...RIGHT? You know, RIGHT....RIGHT? RIGHT! RIGHT! RIGHT? You know....In closing, and so, you know...RIGHT? -Jokeway Lumumbles

Anonymous said...

ENOCH ENOCHENOCH ENOCH!!!!!

Anonymous said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2TefCsP8Ss

Anonymous said...

Is there not ANY legal avenue to remove this very destructive dictator mayor from office? Since the public is not privy to what is really going on, please tell me there is an ongoing investigation on this individual that might lead to his removal.

Anonymous said...

YT got um again.....

Anonymous said...

When our water system crashed, and the state stepped in, to help in the process.

We suddenly had the ability to get parts that we needed that were supposedly 2 years on back order that the system needed.

I remember just last year on November 10, 2022, we hired Water Talent, LLC to run through February 28, 2023. "The total cost of the contact is not to exceed $720,000 and will run through February 28, 2023. The first 10 weeks is expected to cost around $420,000." (https://www.wlbt.com/2022/11/15/temporary-water-operators-be-compensated-160-an-hour-contract-shows/)

So, if we can find someone to pay a lot of money to step in an emergency situation like this, why keep pushing Richard's. There are many more options out there, and it doesn't even have to be Waste Management or FCC.

Our Mayor, or whoever is advising him, is not doing their due diligence. I have seen their theatrics all on livestream.

It is time to step up and actually do something for our city, the city you live in.
To be a better man, sometimes you have to accept defeat, to be humble in this given situation. There are other battles you can win, just stop please at this one.

Anonymous said...

Seeing lots of garbage bags on WAPT sites shown on the streets not being tied at all. Well if the residents care @ COJ then TIE your bags b4 putting it on the STREETS. JSU student football players are volunteering & picking up trash so please help & tie All Bags b4 putting it on streets. Thank you to Council members for following the law. For a new RFP process not to have been put out like the City Council requested was Totally the Mayors choice as the last one was 2021. NO Company bills or can honor prices from 2 years ago. Being given only one choice is the same as being told you can ONLY USE ONE BANK & no other which also is illegal! Think about this & remember this is why Bell South & AT&T split because they were ruled a Monopoly therefore came all the new vendors C Spire, Verizon, etc. VOTE YOUR MAYOR OUT AND IF YOU KNOW SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING? Call the Federal Law Enforcement just like you did with Frank Melton. Help yourselves people don’t let a DICTATOR rule your COJ. Each of you deserve better. You have a choice and we are praying for y’all to DO THE RIGHT THING! RIGHT?

Anonymous said...

Kingfish, you need to see WDBD 40's Editorial from last night. Keeping it Real, by RaMona Clay Alexander, VP and General Manager. Its dated April 12th, "Trash Talk". She did a good job. Called the Mayor out.

https://fox40jackson.com/keeping-it-real/

Anonymous said...

The mere fact that you even have to say out loud "Please tie your trash bags before leaving them on the curb" tells me all that I need to know about the future of the COJ.

The concentration of useless idiots is so high there. Its like the city of Jackson put out some bat signal that beckoned all of the worst humans on earth.

Anonymous said...

"Just looking at the Mayor's leadership is enough to make anyone think twice about moving to Jackson or any economic developer think about investing in the city. ... It [Jackson] deserves better leadership, especially from the Mayor."

Ramona Alexander
- VP and GM
- Fox 40 Jackson

Exhausted said...

Does anyone know the fine if caught dumping trash at the mayors gate?

Anonymous said...

In fewer than 8 weeks I'll be living in Franklin, TN. Thirty years in Jackson. I'm ready for the culture shock.

Anonymous said...

Congrats 9:03. You're getting out. You won't regret it. No place is perfect but 99% of the cities in this country are better than Jackson.

Anonymous said...

April 13, 2023 at 8:30 AM, she was putting it on mayor Drake want a be. She should run against him.

Anonymous said...

@ 9:48PM
I’ve been in your shoes, not knowing who or what to believe. That all changed about 4 years ago when suddenly I realized I had been giving this mayor the benefit of the doubt and holding out hope that he would grow into the job while the city was circling the toilet. At that moment, I made a deliberate decision to (1) observe him very closely and (2) arm myself with as many FACTS surrounding any given issue — both historical and current — that I could unearth from reliable and reputable sources. The first part of that mission yielded immediate and startling results. The second is more of an ongoing endeavor because, once you begin peeling back the layers and looking behind the curtain, there is an overwhelming amount of hard evidence. My sources aren’t Facebook, Twitter, or NextDoor. I’ve relied instead on 20 some odd years’ worth of 1000s of pages of court documents (pleadings, discovery, motions, orders, judgments), 100s of pages of tedious contracts, minutes from old city council meetings, Consent Decrees, the City’s mandatory quarterly reports to the EPA per consent decree, the state/federal (city?!) command center action reports prepared by qualified experts (Army Corps of Engineers, teams of engineers and water operation experts from other states, FEMA, MEMA,, State Health, etc) and published daily on MEMA’s website during the state’s emergency takeover of the city’s water system, and a lot of independent research into the practices, procedures, and administrative decisions of the applicable state and federal regulatory agencies.

You get the picture. It’s time-consuming, for sure, but I pace myself.

I’ll wrap up with this — once you commit to this process, many aspects of the who and what to believe dilemma reveal themselves early on. So you get a fairly immediate payoff. For me, figuring out the real Lumumba was the easy part. That took a few hours of eyes-on observation over the course of a few weeks. Much of the rest has (a) confirmed every suspicion I had about Lumumba, (b) given me a breadth of knowledge upon which I can distinguish fact from fiction, and (c) provided me the satisfaction of knowing I could do (a), (b), and much more with real objectivity. I knew early on that I was going to have to go much deeper than so-and-so said.

Anonymous said...

Ms. Martin has lost all credibility by her association with this clown act. Chockwe lacks any understanding of administration, organization structure, or Human Resources. Has no interest in hiring COMPETENT people. Only hires people that he can use for his own political purposes. Remember when he sent Ms. Martin out to deal with the restauranteurs during one of the water crisis?? He’s an absolute disaster and is bringing the Capital City of the State of Mississippi down with him.


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Trollfest '07

Jackson Jambalaya is the home of Trollfest '07. Catch this great event which promises to leave NE Jackson & Fondren in flames. Sonjay Poontang and his band headline the night with a special steel cage, no time limit "loser must leave town" bout between Alan Lange and "Big Cat"Donna Ladd following afterwards. Kamikaze will perform his new song F*** Bush, he's still a _____. Did I mention there was no referee? Dr. Heddy Matthias and Lori Gregory will face off in the undercard dueling with dangling participles and other um, devices. Robbie Bell will perform Her two latest songs: My Best Friends are in the Media and Mama's, Don't Let Your Babies Grow up to be George Bell. Sid Salter of The Clarion-Ledger will host "Pin the Tail on the Trial Lawyer", sponsored by State Farm.

There will be a hugging booth where in exchange for your young son, Frank Melton will give you a loooong hug. Trollfest will have a dunking booth where Muhammed the terrorist will curse you to Allah as you try to hit a target that will drop him into a vat of pig grease. However, in the true spirit of Separate But Equal, Don Imus and someone from NE Jackson will also sit in the dunking booth for an equal amount of time. Tom Head will give a reading for two hours on why he can't figure out who the hell he is. Cliff Cargill will give lessons with his .80 caliber desert eagle, using Frank Melton photos as targets. Tackleberry will be on hand for an autograph session. KIM Waaaaaade will be passing out free titles and deeds to crackhouses formerly owned by The Wood Street Players.

If you get tired come relax at the Fox News Tent. To gain admittance to the VIP section, bring either your Republican Party ID card or a Rebel Flag. Bringing both will entitle you to free drinks.Get your tickets now. Since this is an event for trolls, no ID is required, just bring the hate. Bring the family, Trollfest '07 is for EVERYONE!!!

This is definitely a Beaver production.

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